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Sorry It's a little late folks. I overslept.Now, as for the game, We have our First NMR: England. England has sent in no orders, even in the 3 extra hours that the winds of fate blew his way, so all his units hold. Winter Adjustments will be due Friday the 23rd at 4ET (3CT).


Austria: Disband 1
Germany and Turkey: Build 1
Italy: Build 2


Anyway, so I don't waste any more time:
[list:24f1c2d3ef] [*:24f1c2d3ef]Austria: A tri -> ser [*:24f1c2d3ef]Austria: A gal -> rum [*:24f1c2d3ef]Austria: A bud Supports A tri -> ser [*:24f1c2d3ef]Austria: F alb Supports F ion -> gre [*:24f1c2d3ef]France: A par -> pic [*:24f1c2d3ef]France: F mao Supports F bre -> eng [*:24f1c2d3ef]France: A mar Supports A bur [*:24f1c2d3ef]France: A bur Supports A par -> pic [*:24f1c2d3ef]France: F bre -> eng [*:24f1c2d3ef]Germany: F swe Supports A nwy -> fin [*:24f1c2d3ef]Germany: A ruh Supports A kie -> mun [*:24f1c2d3ef]Germany: A mun -> sil [*:24f1c2d3ef]Germany: A kie -> mun [*:24f1c2d3ef]Germany: A hol Supports F bel [*:24f1c2d3ef]Italy: A ven -> tri [*:24f1c2d3ef]Italy: F tun -> wes [*:24f1c2d3ef]Italy: F ion Convoys A apu -> gre [*:24f1c2d3ef]Italy: A apu -> gre [*:24f1c2d3ef]Russia: A war -> gal [*:24f1c2d3ef]Russia: F stp/nc -> bar [*:24f1c2d3ef]Russia: F sev -> bla [*:24f1c2d3ef]Russia: A rum Supports A ser -> bud [*:24f1c2d3ef]Russia: F bot -> swe [*:24f1c2d3ef]Turkey: A smy -> con [*:24f1c2d3ef]Turkey: A ser -> bud [*:24f1c2d3ef]Turkey: F bul/sc Supports A apu -> gre [*:24f1c2d3ef]Turkey: F aeg Supports A apu -> gre [/list:u:24f1c2d3ef]


Maps:

-Sam Buck
Your GM

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Sorry for the delay folks...I didn't hear back from Eduardo, so he retreats OTB
Shu:
A Hanchung - Daiyeng
Yen:
disband A Yubeiping


Since we will have one player out for about 10 days, the next deadline will be a bit lengthy...

Wednesday, Februray 4th, 232:59 GMT

Thanks,

Steve

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Fredrik -

You played well with regard to playing me off against Finland. It's not what I hoped would happen, but I can't blame you. The choice made sense and obviously benefitted you.

The mistake about 15 SC versus 12 is kind of disturbing. For heaven's sake, if you ever have a question like that in the future make sure you ask the GM or a friendly opponent -- like me. You can be sure if you'd said something to Lee or me about protecting yourself "before Finland gets to 15 SC" we would have straightened you out right away.

FWIW, I thought you did a good job with negotiations and held your own in a tough crowd. Outside of the big mistake regarding the game end, I thought you did well tactically and strategically, too. Looking back at my comments from yesterday, they were a little harsh. Sorry about that. I hope your overall experience from this game was positive and I would be happy to share a board with you again in the future.

Chris




From: Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])>
To: dc191 <DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]DC191(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; C Morse <camorse22(at)yahoo.com ([email]camorse22(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])>; Mike Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 2:55:59 PM
Subject: DC191 - Sweden EOG Statement



Friends, Diplomers, Stabbers,

This game has been a learning experience for me in playing Diplomacy online. Even though this was my second game on Diplomacy Corps, the first game I played never made it very far.

The question was raised several times to me - why do you continue playing - the game is already lost. The main reason for me continuing in the end was that I was learning some of the tactical maneuvers involved in the game. Finland, as he stated in his EOG statement had several opportunities to stab me before he became the board leader, but he did not, so I stayed with him until the end. I enjoyed the tactical aspects of the game, although the diplomacy left something to be desired. I guess that I will have to learn.

Why didn't I protect my centers better in the end? I kept on looking at the rules for Baltic, and the rules stated that you need 15 centers for the win, so I didn't figure that Mike was close to winning. I have a recollection of having discussed whether to win at 15 or at 12, but I never could find a mail about it. That's not an excuse, that just a reason for why I didn't think that Mike would stab me this turn. I think that give a unit or two more, I would have move more against Mike. In retrospect, I should have made Mike move back his fleet in the North Baltic as soon as his troops were deployed in Russia/Poland.

Chris - you are right that I played you against Finland. I never really committed to the attack, mostly because I always had Poland breathing down my back, while Finland never really made an offensive move against me (except for when he took Aland even though I told him not to).

Regarding the situation in the west: Kattegat was always the key here, and had Lee kept to the DMZ agreement we had, I'm fairly certain that we could have worked to the east instead of keeping many troops in the west. I had troubles getting enough units to up in arms at the western front.

Lee - you kept telling me that I threw the game to Mike. However, I gave you several opportunities to stop him, essentially giving you the keys to stop him from gaining centers a couple of times. You however kept on bringing all your troops to bear on me. Since you did seem hell-bent on stopping me, I just tried to see if I could open the lock. I am happy that in the end I got Malmo, although the point was moot at that time.

Regarding the map issue that came up in the mid-game. In retrospect I would say that the game would probably play better if Bolmen(wc) is not connected to Vattern. However, the statements regarding "Fleets retreating across land" does not apply to the map in question, since there are way more stranger moves available:
F Goteborg->Siljan->Stockholm->SGoB would be valid moves, although they are very strange.
A fleet in Saimaa could also move to both Kuopio and GoF which is just as strange. I think that the map would be better off if the water-ways were more defined.

Greetings from a wintry Frillesås, Sweden (on the border between Goteborg and Bolmen, on the coast)

/Fredrik

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Rulers of the far reaches of Europe…

The continent has mobilized and war though this Spring season saw minimal conflict of arms, the foretelling of battles to come were foreshadowed by the clash of soldiers in Galacia and sailors in the Black Sea. Those were our only two bounces in an otherwise conventional spring turn.

I also apologize for the slight delay in adjudications. I was enjoying the inauguration in Washington DC on Tuesday and had a needed day of recovery from the past week of events. I hope to keep pace moving forward, but I warn that I may disappoint on occasion.

I do want to ask you all to send press. If you want to declare war (well, after you've made the move) or beg for peace, warn of impending victory for another or just to rib or taunt your fellow rulers, use the white press opportunity. Given your chosen characters (all but Justin have taken on an ulterior identity), it should be much fun to write a few sentences to share.


Next Deadline: Wed Jan 28th 6:00pm EST.


Without ANY further ado – here are the results:

ORDERS:
Austria:
A Budapest - Serbia
F Trieste - Albania
A Vienna - Galicia (*Bounce*)

England:
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - North Sea

France:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Marseilles - Spain
A Paris - Picardy

Germany:
A Berlin - Kiel
F Kiel - Holland
A Munich - Ruhr

Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome - Apulia
A Venice Hold

Russia:
A Moscow - Ukraine
F Sevastopol - Black Sea (*Bounce*)
F St Petersburg(sc) - Finland
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)

Turkey:
F Ankara - Black Sea (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Smyrna - Constantinople


OUR CAST:
Emperor Cyrus the Great – King of Kings
Game Master - Babak Talebi (babaktalebi(at)gmail.com ([email]babaktalebi(at)gmail.com[/email]))

Suleiman the Magnificent
Turkey - Jeffrey Clay jmc66(at)mac.com ([email]jmc66(at)mac.com[/email])

Alaric I, King of Visigoths
Germany – Josh E aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])


**** None Given Yet ****
Russia - Justin Card: jcard(at)atnex.net ([email]jcard(at)atnex.net[/email])

Prince Eugene of Savoy
Austria - Nathan Woll: nwoll(at)yahoo.com ([email]nwoll(at)yahoo.com[/email])


King Alfred the Great
England - Aidan Slattery: aislattery(at)aol.com ([email]aislattery(at)aol.com[/email])

King Romulus
Italy - Bruce Quinn: coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email])


Phillip the Good of Burgundy
France – Michael Sims mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])


WHITE PRESS:

Alaric I, King of Visigoths (Josh):
Alaric I, King of the Visigoths, first ruler of the Balti dynasty. He's most famous for sacking Rome in 410ce. (Don't worry Bruce I won't be taking any ideas from historical events.)

Suleiman the Magnificent (Jeffrey):
I've decided on the persona of Suleiman the Magnificent who doubled the size of the Ottoman Empire (to 2 billion acres) and expanded his lands to the doorsteps of Vienna before being turned away. (The Battle of Vienna gave rise to the croissant, which was a symbolic gesture by Viennese bakers to "take a bite" out of the Ottoman crescent each morning.) Suleiman the Magnificent also expanded culture, law, and learning during his 46 year reign.


Phillip the Good of Burgundy (Michael):
Phillip the Good of Burgundy. Son of John the Fearless and is known for his efforts during the Hundred Years War, in which he vacillated between supporting the French and the English… eventually capturing and sending Joan of Arc to her death. Besides having 3 wives and 18 children (the man must have lived well), he was known for being a patron of the arts, who liked long walks on the beach and starry nights.

Prince Eugene of Savoy (Nathan):
Prince Eugene was a famous Austrian military leader, who was also well know for his skillful diplomacy.

King Romulus of Italy (Bruce):
King Romulus, along with his twin brother, Remus (circa 771-717 bc) were, according to mythology, fathered by the god of war, Mars. Romulus was the first king of Rome, founding it, after slaying his brother, in 753 bc.

Romulus not only created the Roman Legions and the Roman Senate, but also added citizens to his new city by abducting the women of the neighboring Sabine tribes, which resulted in the mixture of the Sabines and Romans into one people. Romulus would become ancient Rome's greatest conqueror, adding large amounts of territory and people to the dominion of Rome.

King Alfred of England (Aidan):
From England my selection is King Alfred, the only British monarch to be known "the Great". Because of his military and diplomatic skills. He did, unfortunately, have an issue with baking cakes.


**** some game notes ****

WRITING YOUR ORDERS:
Please remember to use the "Orders" email I sent you and respond to THAT email to send me your orders. This will make life MUCH easier for me as I try to keep 230 emails separate from the scores I get every day. Most of you have done this, so thank you.

PRELIM ORDERS:
Please send me your Fall 1901 preliminary orders ASAP. I want to make sure this game has no NMRs at all. You can always change your orders.

DEADLINES:
All deadlines will be at 6:00pm EST (11:00pm GMT). Below is an initial schedule:

Fall 1901: Wed January 28th
Fall Retreats: Thu January 29th
Winter 1901: Sat January 31st

Spring 1902: Wed February 4th
Summer 1902: Thu February 5th
Fall 1902: Wed February 11th
Fall Retreats: Thu February 12th
Winter 1902 Sat February 14th

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Rulers of the far reaches of Europe…

The continent has mobilized and war though this Spring season saw minimal conflict of arms, the foretelling of battles to come were foreshadowed by the clash of soldiers in Galacia and sailors in the Black Sea. Those were our only two bounces in an otherwise conventional spring turn.

I also apologize for the slight delay in adjudications. I was enjoying the inauguration in Washington DC on Tuesday and had a needed day of recovery from the past week of events. I hope to keep pace moving forward, but I warn that I may disappoint on occasion.

I do want to ask you all to send press. If you want to declare war (well, after you've made the move) or beg for peace, warn of impending victory for another or just to rib or taunt your fellow rulers, use the white press opportunity. Given your chosen characters (all but Justin have taken on an ulterior identity), it should be much fun to write a few sentences to share.


Next Deadline: Wed Jan 28th 6:00pm EST.


Without ANY further ado – here are the results:

ORDERS:
Austria:
A Budapest - Serbia
F Trieste - Albania
A Vienna - Galicia (*Bounce*)

England:
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - North Sea

France:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Marseilles - Spain
A Paris - Picardy

Germany:
A Berlin - Kiel
F Kiel - Holland
A Munich - Ruhr

Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome - Apulia
A Venice Hold

Russia:
A Moscow - Ukraine
F Sevastopol - Black Sea (*Bounce*)
F St Petersburg(sc) - Finland
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)

Turkey:
F Ankara - Black Sea (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Smyrna - Constantinople


OUR CAST:
Emperor Cyrus the Great – King of Kings
Game Master - Babak Talebi (babaktalebi(at)gmail.com ([email]babaktalebi(at)gmail.com[/email]))

Suleiman the Magnificent
Turkey - Jeffrey Clay jmc66(at)mac.com ([email]jmc66(at)mac.com[/email])

Alaric I, King of Visigoths
Germany – Josh E aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])


**** None Given Yet ****
Russia - Justin Card: jcard(at)atnex.net ([email]jcard(at)atnex.net[/email])

Prince Eugene of Savoy
Austria - Nathan Woll: nwoll(at)yahoo.com ([email]nwoll(at)yahoo.com[/email])


King Alfred the Great
England - Aidan Slattery: aislattery(at)aol.com ([email]aislattery(at)aol.com[/email])

King Romulus
Italy - Bruce Quinn: coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email])


Phillip the Good of Burgundy
France – Michael Sims mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])


WHITE PRESS:

Alaric I, King of Visigoths (Josh):
Alaric I, King of the Visigoths, first ruler of the Balti dynasty. He's most famous for sacking Rome in 410ce. (Don't worry Bruce I won't be taking any ideas from historical events.)

Suleiman the Magnificent (Jeffrey):
I've decided on the persona of Suleiman the Magnificent who doubled the size of the Ottoman Empire (to 2 billion acres) and expanded his lands to the doorsteps of Vienna before being turned away. (The Battle of Vienna gave rise to the croissant, which was a symbolic gesture by Viennese bakers to "take a bite" out of the Ottoman crescent each morning.) Suleiman the Magnificent also expanded culture, law, and learning during his 46 year reign.


Phillip the Good of Burgundy (Michael):
Phillip the Good of Burgundy. Son of John the Fearless and is known for his efforts during the Hundred Years War, in which he vacillated between supporting the French and the English… eventually capturing and sending Joan of Arc to her death. Besides having 3 wives and 18 children (the man must have lived well), he was known for being a patron of the arts, who liked long walks on the beach and starry nights.

Prince Eugene of Savoy (Nathan):
Prince Eugene was a famous Austrian military leader, who was also well know for his skillful diplomacy.

King Romulus of Italy (Bruce):
King Romulus, along with his twin brother, Remus (circa 771-717 bc) were, according to mythology, fathered by the god of war, Mars. Romulus was the first king of Rome, founding it, after slaying his brother, in 753 bc.

Romulus not only created the Roman Legions and the Roman Senate, but also added citizens to his new city by abducting the women of the neighboring Sabine tribes, which resulted in the mixture of the Sabines and Romans into one people. Romulus would become ancient Rome's greatest conqueror, adding large amounts of territory and people to the dominion of Rome.

King Alfred of England (Aidan):
From England my selection is King Alfred, the only British monarch to be known "the Great". Because of his military and diplomatic skills. He did, unfortunately, have an issue with baking cakes.


**** some game notes ****

WRITING YOUR ORDERS:
Please remember to use the "Orders" email I sent you and respond to THAT email to send me your orders. This will make life MUCH easier for me as I try to keep 230 emails separate from the scores I get every day. Most of you have done this, so thank you.

PRELIM ORDERS:
Please send me your Fall 1901 preliminary orders ASAP. I want to make sure this game has no NMRs at all. You can always change your orders.

DEADLINES:
All deadlines will be at 6:00pm EST (11:00pm GMT). Below is an initial schedule:

Fall 1901: Wed January 28th
Fall Retreats: Thu January 29th
Winter 1901: Sat January 31st

Spring 1902: Wed February 4th
Summer 1902: Thu February 5th
Fall 1902: Wed February 11th
Fall Retreats: Thu February 12th
Winter 1902 Sat February 14th

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Rulers of the far reaches of Europe…

The continent has mobilized and war though this Spring season saw minimal conflict of arms, the foretelling of battles to come were foreshadowed by the clash of soldiers in Galacia and sailors in the Black Sea. Those were our only two bounces in an otherwise conventional spring turn.

I also apologize for the slight delay in adjudications. I was enjoying the inauguration in Washington DC on Tuesday and had a needed day of recovery from the past week of events. I hope to keep pace moving forward, but I warn that I may disappoint on occasion.

I do want to ask you all to send press. If you want to declare war (well, after you've made the move) or beg for peace, warn of impending victory for another or just to rib or taunt your fellow rulers, use the white press opportunity. Given your chosen characters (all but Justin have taken on an ulterior identity), it should be much fun to write a few sentences to share.


Next Deadline: Wed Jan 28th 6:00pm EST.


Without ANY further ado – here are the results:

ORDERS:
Austria:
A Budapest - Serbia
F Trieste - Albania
A Vienna - Galicia (*Bounce*)

England:
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - North Sea

France:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Marseilles - Spain
A Paris - Picardy

Germany:
A Berlin - Kiel
F Kiel - Holland
A Munich - Ruhr

Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome - Apulia
A Venice Hold

Russia:
A Moscow - Ukraine
F Sevastopol - Black Sea (*Bounce*)
F St Petersburg(sc) - Finland
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)

Turkey:
F Ankara - Black Sea (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Smyrna - Constantinople


OUR CAST:
Emperor Cyrus the Great – King of Kings
Game Master - Babak Talebi (babaktalebi(at)gmail.com ([email]babaktalebi(at)gmail.com[/email]))

Suleiman the Magnificent
Turkey - Jeffrey Clay jmc66(at)mac.com ([email]jmc66(at)mac.com[/email])

Alaric I, King of Visigoths
Germany – Josh E aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])


**** None Given Yet ****
Russia - Justin Card: jcard(at)atnex.net ([email]jcard(at)atnex.net[/email])

Prince Eugene of Savoy
Austria - Nathan Woll: nwoll(at)yahoo.com ([email]nwoll(at)yahoo.com[/email])


King Alfred the Great
England - Aidan Slattery: aislattery(at)aol.com ([email]aislattery(at)aol.com[/email])

King Romulus
Italy - Bruce Quinn: coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email])


Phillip the Good of Burgundy
France – Michael Sims mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])


WHITE PRESS:

Alaric I, King of Visigoths (Josh):
Alaric I, King of the Visigoths, first ruler of the Balti dynasty. He's most famous for sacking Rome in 410ce. (Don't worry Bruce I won't be taking any ideas from historical events.)

Suleiman the Magnificent (Jeffrey):
I've decided on the persona of Suleiman the Magnificent who doubled the size of the Ottoman Empire (to 2 billion acres) and expanded his lands to the doorsteps of Vienna before being turned away. (The Battle of Vienna gave rise to the croissant, which was a symbolic gesture by Viennese bakers to "take a bite" out of the Ottoman crescent each morning.) Suleiman the Magnificent also expanded culture, law, and learning during his 46 year reign.


Phillip the Good of Burgundy (Michael):
Phillip the Good of Burgundy. Son of John the Fearless and is known for his efforts during the Hundred Years War, in which he vacillated between supporting the French and the English… eventually capturing and sending Joan of Arc to her death. Besides having 3 wives and 18 children (the man must have lived well), he was known for being a patron of the arts, who liked long walks on the beach and starry nights.

Prince Eugene of Savoy (Nathan):
Prince Eugene was a famous Austrian military leader, who was also well know for his skillful diplomacy.

King Romulus of Italy (Bruce):
King Romulus, along with his twin brother, Remus (circa 771-717 bc) were, according to mythology, fathered by the god of war, Mars. Romulus was the first king of Rome, founding it, after slaying his brother, in 753 bc.

Romulus not only created the Roman Legions and the Roman Senate, but also added citizens to his new city by abducting the women of the neighboring Sabine tribes, which resulted in the mixture of the Sabines and Romans into one people. Romulus would become ancient Rome's greatest conqueror, adding large amounts of territory and people to the dominion of Rome.

King Alfred of England (Aidan):
From England my selection is King Alfred, the only British monarch to be known "the Great". Because of his military and diplomatic skills. He did, unfortunately, have an issue with baking cakes.


**** some game notes ****

WRITING YOUR ORDERS:
Please remember to use the "Orders" email I sent you and respond to THAT email to send me your orders. This will make life MUCH easier for me as I try to keep 230 emails separate from the scores I get every day. Most of you have done this, so thank you.

PRELIM ORDERS:
Please send me your Fall 1901 preliminary orders ASAP. I want to make sure this game has no NMRs at all. You can always change your orders.

DEADLINES:
All deadlines will be at 6:00pm EST (11:00pm GMT). Below is an initial schedule:

Fall 1901: Wed January 28th
Fall Retreats: Thu January 29th
Winter 1901: Sat January 31st

Spring 1902: Wed February 4th
Summer 1902: Thu February 5th
Fall 1902: Wed February 11th
Fall Retreats: Thu February 12th
Winter 1902 Sat February 14th

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