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DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - LinDav123   (May 26, 2010, 3:34 pm)
 

Blimey, enjoy your break Michael....I hope the next women you find is more of a looker Wink


 

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TTP - Turkey's EOG thoughts - Numty   (May 26, 2010, 6:59 am)
Hi all,
 
First let me add my thanks to you Douglas for GMing the game.
I don’t agree that the map was hard to read though I do agree that the
ships where easily confused as we talked about before. The armies where
instantly recognisable by both colour and design and worked very well. The map
itself was very readable. The commentary was a breath of fresh air and helped
the game flow.
 
My initial plan was to side with Russia
while keeping Austria happy
till I was in a position to stab Austria
then sweep forward into Italy
after that play it by ear. Well that plan failed miserably almost as soon as it
was formulated due to a lack of communication on both my part and Russia’s.
I ended up in a position where my quick demise was extremely likely. After that
my only goal was survival and to hope that something popped up where I could
once again become a contender, although I didn’t think it likely.
 
There was one round where I was in a position to move on Austria and
cause a lot of damage to him. After a lot of deliberation I decided not to
strike for 2 reasons:
 
1.       I required
allies to do this and I had not been communicating enough with anyone else
enough to pull it off.
2.       (probably
the main reason) I liked Austria’s
style of play and communication.
 
Austria
 
            Well
played, you seemed surprised that so many people were willing to work with you.
I am not surprised, on a personal level you were a pleasure to talk to and plan
with. On a strategic level I think you made few mistakes and had good timing.
 
Russia
 
            First
off after my early successful removal of Austria
from Greece we had the
perfect opportunity to deal a crushing blow to Austria ensuring dominance in the
south. You chose to play it safe and not push, I can understand caution but I think
this was a strategic blunder. After that if you remember there was one fatal
move and a few emails that made working together difficult to say the least. To
recap that was the move when you assisted Austria into Bul. Afterwards we exchanged
a few emails in which you said that you didn’t feel that you had any reason
to try to mend our relationship, I think that time has shown that to be an error.
Secondly you chose to tell me that we could never work together, an even bigger
error. As far as I am concerned supporting Austria
and going to war with England
at the same time was a major strategic blunder since if you had not helped Austria both he and Italy would have been stuck in a
war with me with very little chance of any of us gaining ground. By assisting Austria you
ensured I would loose. Once I was dead who do you think would have been next?
As I explained at the time you could have stayed neutral and have avoided
fighting on two fronts if you didn’t want to fight in the south, the
second front being vs England.
So I was left with 3 real choices, convince Austria/Italy to leave me alone, convince
you to help me or convince Italy
to turn on Austria.
You had ruled out the second option. I deemed it unlikely Italy would turn on Austria
and any communication I sent suggesting this to Italy would probably be passed
on to Austria making it unlikely that Austria would leave me alone. The rest
was a logical progression.
 
            Austria asked me why I was willing to support
him since he was the initial aggressor vs Turkey and the explanation was a
follows:
                        I
can happily forgive being stabbed if the stab makes sense, it is in the nature
of the game, and if you can’t forgive then you shouldn’t play dip.
I can not however easily forgive stabs that I regard as strategically wrong.
Add to that I thought you made several blunders and it doesn’t strike me
as a good idea to ally with someone whose strategy you regard as flawed.
 
France
 
            Well
to you I feel I owe the biggest explanation as to my motives and moves. You
were right I should have attacked Austria. Unfortunately our timing
was off by a round. There was only really 1 window of opportunity for me in the
game to survive stabbing Austria
and I didn’t take it. You contacted me after that window had passed, when
it was favourable to you and no longer to me. The mistake I made was not
contacting you the previous round. I am of the opinion that if you are going to
stab/upset a player then you better makes sure it’s as close to a fatal
blow as possible or it will simply be a short term gain and you will probably
regret it in the long term. Add to that Austria was the only one who “seemed”
even remotely concerned with my survival even if it was as a pawn. On top of
that I was worried that if I helped you against Austria/Italy then I would be
replacing 3 stronger opponents with 1 extremely strong one, i.e. you.
            Btw.
After the initial few rounds I wasn’t playing for a win, I was playing
for survival.
 
Italy
 
            In
essence you were as much of a pawn of Austria as I was so logically we
should have worked together to get out from under the thumb of our “oppressor”
but how to do that? It’s so risky, so likely that any comments would find
there way back to Austria.
We both had our problems elsewhere and even if we had wanted to turn on Austria it
would have been hard. You had France
to worry about and I had Russia’s
enmity to deal with.
 
England/Germany
 
            Well
we never really had much shared interests so not much here to say except, England I thought you played very well and Germany you had
similar problems to me and didn’t really have the opportunity to play
well, but you survived and got a draw.
 
All said and done I learnt a lot from that game and enjoyed
most of it. Thank you all for playing

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DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - livinglifeforothers   (May 26, 2010, 1:49 am)
I'd like to echo what everyone has said about the flavor text and role playing that Doug wrote, it was very enjoyable. I'm only sorry I didn't have more time to add little details about my nation. The map was a little dodgy, and it was easy to confuse mine and france's units.


I started out by making peace with everyone, which, was nice as far as things go, but it meant that off the bat I had to break the peace with someone. I wasn't sure who to work with, but France's rapid growth put my on edge, especially given his access to the Mediterranean. Although he wasn't too threatening, i figured it was only a matter of time before he wiped out Germany, and then came for me. I planned on nabbing Marsailles and maybe spain for builds, and then making nice so I could turn east and secure the Mediterranean for myself. After that though, things got messy. Since I was going after France I needed Austrian backing, and he seemed supportive, and even got me Greece. As things dragged on though, I wasn't getting anywhere with France, and I figured it was only a matter of time before Austria stabbed me. Unfortunately, I had so concentrated my forces on France that it would have taken me many turns to redeploy.


France sinking two of my ships it would have been the perfect time to redeploy, but alas, it was not to be, and a combination of some miscommunication, and a lot of stupidity on my part led me to miss this chance. After that I felt pretty isolated, given that I was vulnerable to an Austrian stab, and fighting France, my only two neighbors. England reached out, but I wasn't very optimistic about my future, and thus, about working together.


All in all, I very much enjoyed the variant, and liked making my own little empire, even if it was fairly similar to the standard Italy. Thanks you all for the enjoyable game, and I hope to have the pleasure of playing with you again sometime.


kos

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Michael Stroz <mistro914(at)gmail.com> wrote:

To all, I usually don't make closing comments but I'm
compelled to in this one (after reading this you may see why I don't make
closing comments).
 
To Doug, you have my compliments on a good job. I thought
you ran a good game. Pro's were your commentary and the fix times for turns,.Cons,
that map just is impossible to read (and I'm not the only one, poor Italy went at
least 2 years without a build he was entitled to). I'm not sure I'd play the variant
again and I certainly would never be Russia in it. He gives up his 4 SC
advantage.
 
To Austria,
you played a good game but you were aided by the ineptitude of your closest
players. I'd relish a rematch someday. Your prose in the beginning was quite
captivating but you waffled too long. If it hadn't been for your vassal Italy I'd have taken you and I really thought that
we would end with a Austria France draw ( with Germany and one of your vassals)..
 
To Italy
and Turkey,
I'd love to hear how your game plan was going to give you a win? What exactly
was the point of being Austria's
pawns forever? Any good strategy says that the minor player has to turn on
their protector sometime! I am really curious; did Austria have dirty pictures of you
to blackmail you?
 
England
my biggest mistake was not trusting Germany
early in the game and invading England
proper via the German offered convoy. If I had done that we could have eliminated you
at least on the western part of the board and I probably would have won or the
draw would not have been so inclusive, because the only way that Germany's
and my stalemate line was broken was because we didn't eliminate you.. However
once we allied, for the record, Dirk and I were very agreeable to have our
three countries in a draw against Austria. However when you turned
unreliable while I didn't get quite as upset as Dirk over our exchanges, I will
remember that you are an unreliable ally, not the type I care to play with
again unless it's hostilities from the start and trust me it will be.
 
German you played a good game, especially considering your opening
moves that left you no SC's within a defensive buffer. Its tough being Germany (and Austria); the edge countries are
easier, but still you did a great job and were a terrific ally. I never thought
to stab you even with the proffered opportunities by other players. I hope we
stay in touch in the "real world" and play again. BTW at some point I'd like to
send my daughter's resume to you for comment and if you ever expand to nyc, let
me know.
 
In conclusion, you know this game is a lot like woman (at
least until I got married). You are in a relationship and its fun at first and
then it becomes a drag and then you look for a way out. You swear off them for
a while and then memories fade and you get drawn back in. I'm out of here for a
while, but I'm sure I'll be back sometime after the memories fade.
 
Rgds, Michael
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Marc Prud'homme <michaelfaraday(at)live.com> wrote:




Good Evening!
Ordinarily I'm quite an advocate for EOGs, but my memory is honestly quite flagging. So, yes I'll do an EOG, but it will be rather short and lacking a thorough chronological journal.

Thank you Douglas for hosting this variant -- I am a little sad that my "custom" empire happened to be Austria-shuffle-south, but it was still entertaining and being able to call myself "Yugoslavia", for all the good it pragmatically did, served to keep my attention quite well. Wink I one day hope to run a game as smooth[ly] as yours.

I was flattered with how many players wanted to work with me, and genuinely seemed to follow through on the goal -- the exception naturally being post-Turkey Russia, but I DID open into Rumania, and things went pretty south after that... Honestly, I was planning on wiping Turkey out as soon as possible with Russian help -- his opening to Greece was, while quite a natural opening, rather threatening to my Balkan Empire. Russia, forgive my betrayal -- you held out til' the end, and forgive any unnecessary treachery on my part -- for me, half the fun is the con, not the end.

Now, I have been a small nation before a large one in past games and I understand, though many players say it "poor showmanship" or whatever, that the first and most satisfying reaction is to act however you damn well please, survival or not, just to prove that you DO have an effect on the game. To me, this is a fundamental concept necessary for "soft" conquering -- as long as a player feels that they have choices and input, and most importantly that you've GIVEN them this, they will likely follow you to the grave or until you REVOKE such freedom. Unfortunately for me, it was this second point that I did not tread upon quite hard enough and towards the end my Turkish "vassal" became a liability that I honestly could do nothing about. 

I trusted him explicitly [barring that one scare], so it never came of much, although I do believe some of my later orders would've given him cause for concern -- perhaps rightly so, I can't honestly recall what my strategy was there. For what it's worth, thanks for sticking by me even though I could've been an easy stab at several points. Wink

Italy, though I had initially quite determined that I would eliminate you with French assistance, a curious movement by Russia made my natural paranoia look for allies -- I kept telling France "one more season!", waving those perfect chances to bounce you for home centres, and eventually we fell into a perfect demilitarized peace -- I daresay we never had any misunderstanding [except maybe my arrogantly declared ship, I don't know]. Towards the end France and Germany had convinced me that an alliance with them was useful, and sadly that meant to had to go -- luckily, I never had to realize your end. Thanks for sticking with me for better or worse, and in essence serving as my navy. Wink

France, I honestly began with the idea of an AF alliance taking the board. I found myself the weakest player at the start, and kept equivocating because I didn't want unnecessary risks -- and I'm sure you gave up on my wishy-washy self after a while. All the same, I quite enjoyed our communications -- I recall in our earlier exchanges I took liberties and expressed my ideas in prose too flowery for what was to be exterminating our neighbour. Fun, all the same -- thanks. Wink

Germany, it was [ironically] your equivocation as you said that led to your stunted growth. I asked for assistance and you would always just sit it out, and eventually I determined [while being very wishy-washy myself] that I'd run my way through the alps.

England, we didn't interact much until the end, although we were entirely misaligned for my hypothetical solo, so I was a little loathe to trust you -- all the same, you helped me break the stalemate and, in theory, we could have ground our way through Franco-Germany. But, by that time the game had lost it's flare, and I thought I'd give stabbing you a half-hearted go. Sorry, for what it's worth.

I am first an foremost a player for the melodramatic -- I'm sure more than half of you realize that. Second, I play for the fun of conning, alliances, and, in general, communications: This ties in with the first. Thirdly, I play to win. And in this game, though I thought for a moment I was well on my way to a solo, I had lost the interesting exchanges, and my lazy attempts at stabbing didn't garner anything new. In my books, I had "won" my conditions when I had literally every [surviving] player on the board suggesting an alliance with me, the largest nation. Granted, a few of these offers were only to break a stalemate, but all the same I had a roaring good time for quite a while there. Thank you everyone for an entertaining game! Wink

Any questions or comments, and I'll try my best to answer.
Hope to see you all on the battlefield again some time!-K.T.Yugoslavia


From: lindav123(at)hotmail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com

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Subject: RE: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:23:48 +0100





> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!


 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
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> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - mistro   (May 25, 2010, 8:52 pm)
To all, I usually don't make closing comments but I'm
compelled to in this one (after reading this you may see why I don't make
closing comments).
 
To Doug, you have my compliments on a good job. I thought
you ran a good game. Pro's were your commentary and the fix times for turns,.Cons,
that map just is impossible to read (and I'm not the only one, poor Italy went at
least 2 years without a build he was entitled to). I'm not sure I'd play the variant
again and I certainly would never be Russia in it. He gives up his 4 SC
advantage.
 
To Austria,
you played a good game but you were aided by the ineptitude of your closest
players. I'd relish a rematch someday. Your prose in the beginning was quite
captivating but you waffled too long. If it hadn't been for your vassal Italy I'd have taken you and I really thought that
we would end with a Austria France draw ( with Germany and one of your vassals)..
 
To Italy
and Turkey,
I'd love to hear how your game plan was going to give you a win? What exactly
was the point of being Austria's
pawns forever? Any good strategy says that the minor player has to turn on
their protector sometime! I am really curious; did Austria have dirty pictures of you
to blackmail you?
 
England
my biggest mistake was not trusting Germany
early in the game and invading England
proper via the German offered convoy. If I had done that we could have eliminated you
at least on the western part of the board and I probably would have won or the
draw would not have been so inclusive, because the only way that Germany's
and my stalemate line was broken was because we didn't eliminate you.. However
once we allied, for the record, Dirk and I were very agreeable to have our
three countries in a draw against Austria. However when you turned
unreliable while I didn't get quite as upset as Dirk over our exchanges, I will
remember that you are an unreliable ally, not the type I care to play with
again unless it's hostilities from the start and trust me it will be.
 
German you played a good game, especially considering your opening
moves that left you no SC's within a defensive buffer. Its tough being Germany (and Austria); the edge countries are
easier, but still you did a great job and were a terrific ally. I never thought
to stab you even with the proffered opportunities by other players. I hope we
stay in touch in the "real world" and play again. BTW at some point I'd like to
send my daughter's resume to you for comment and if you ever expand to nyc, let
me know.
 
In conclusion, you know this game is a lot like woman (at
least until I got married). You are in a relationship and its fun at first and
then it becomes a drag and then you look for a way out. You swear off them for
a while and then memories fade and you get drawn back in. I'm out of here for a
while, but I'm sure I'll be back sometime after the memories fade.
 
Rgds, Michael
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Marc Prud'homme <michaelfaraday(at)live.com> wrote:



Good Evening!
Ordinarily I'm quite an advocate for EOGs, but my memory is honestly quite flagging. So, yes I'll do an EOG, but it will be rather short and lacking a thorough chronological journal.

Thank you Douglas for hosting this variant -- I am a little sad that my "custom" empire happened to be Austria-shuffle-south, but it was still entertaining and being able to call myself "Yugoslavia", for all the good it pragmatically did, served to keep my attention quite well. Wink I one day hope to run a game as smooth[ly] as yours.

I was flattered with how many players wanted to work with me, and genuinely seemed to follow through on the goal -- the exception naturally being post-Turkey Russia, but I DID open into Rumania, and things went pretty south after that... Honestly, I was planning on wiping Turkey out as soon as possible with Russian help -- his opening to Greece was, while quite a natural opening, rather threatening to my Balkan Empire. Russia, forgive my betrayal -- you held out til' the end, and forgive any unnecessary treachery on my part -- for me, half the fun is the con, not the end.

Now, I have been a small nation before a large one in past games and I understand, though many players say it "poor showmanship" or whatever, that the first and most satisfying reaction is to act however you damn well please, survival or not, just to prove that you DO have an effect on the game. To me, this is a fundamental concept necessary for "soft" conquering -- as long as a player feels that they have choices and input, and most importantly that you've GIVEN them this, they will likely follow you to the grave or until you REVOKE such freedom. Unfortunately for me, it was this second point that I did not tread upon quite hard enough and towards the end my Turkish "vassal" became a liability that I honestly could do nothing about. 

I trusted him explicitly [barring that one scare], so it never came of much, although I do believe some of my later orders would've given him cause for concern -- perhaps rightly so, I can't honestly recall what my strategy was there. For what it's worth, thanks for sticking by me even though I could've been an easy stab at several points. Wink

Italy, though I had initially quite determined that I would eliminate you with French assistance, a curious movement by Russia made my natural paranoia look for allies -- I kept telling France "one more season!", waving those perfect chances to bounce you for home centres, and eventually we fell into a perfect demilitarized peace -- I daresay we never had any misunderstanding [except maybe my arrogantly declared ship, I don't know]. Towards the end France and Germany had convinced me that an alliance with them was useful, and sadly that meant to had to go -- luckily, I never had to realize your end. Thanks for sticking with me for better or worse, and in essence serving as my navy. Wink

France, I honestly began with the idea of an AF alliance taking the board. I found myself the weakest player at the start, and kept equivocating because I didn't want unnecessary risks -- and I'm sure you gave up on my wishy-washy self after a while. All the same, I quite enjoyed our communications -- I recall in our earlier exchanges I took liberties and expressed my ideas in prose too flowery for what was to be exterminating our neighbour. Fun, all the same -- thanks. Wink

Germany, it was [ironically] your equivocation as you said that led to your stunted growth. I asked for assistance and you would always just sit it out, and eventually I determined [while being very wishy-washy myself] that I'd run my way through the alps.

England, we didn't interact much until the end, although we were entirely misaligned for my hypothetical solo, so I was a little loathe to trust you -- all the same, you helped me break the stalemate and, in theory, we could have ground our way through Franco-Germany. But, by that time the game had lost it's flare, and I thought I'd give stabbing you a half-hearted go. Sorry, for what it's worth.

I am first an foremost a player for the melodramatic -- I'm sure more than half of you realize that. Second, I play for the fun of conning, alliances, and, in general, communications: This ties in with the first. Thirdly, I play to win. And in this game, though I thought for a moment I was well on my way to a solo, I had lost the interesting exchanges, and my lazy attempts at stabbing didn't garner anything new. In my books, I had "won" my conditions when I had literally every [surviving] player on the board suggesting an alliance with me, the largest nation. Granted, a few of these offers were only to break a stalemate, but all the same I had a roaring good time for quite a while there. Thank you everyone for an entertaining game! Wink

Any questions or comments, and I'll try my best to answer.
Hope to see you all on the battlefield again some time!-K.T.Yugoslavia


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To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com

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Subject: RE: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:23:48 +0100





> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!

 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
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> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - Kendercommander   (May 25, 2010, 5:42 pm)
Good Evening!
Ordinarily I'm quite an advocate for EOGs, but my memory is honestly quite flagging. So, yes I'll do an EOG, but it will be rather short and lacking a thorough chronological journal.
Thank you Douglas for hosting this variant -- I am a little sad that my "custom" empire happened to be Austria-shuffle-south, but it was still entertaining and being able to call myself "Yugoslavia", for all the good it pragmatically did, served to keep my attention quite well. Wink I one day hope to run a game as smooth[ly] as yours.
I was flattered with how many players wanted to work with me, and genuinely seemed to follow through on the goal -- the exception naturally being post-Turkey Russia, but I DID open into Rumania, and things went pretty south after that... Honestly, I was planning on wiping Turkey out as soon as possible with Russian help -- his opening to Greece was, while quite a natural opening, rather threatening to my Balkan Empire. Russia, forgive my betrayal -- you held out til' the end, and forgive any unnecessary treachery on my part -- for me, half the fun is the con, not the end.
Now, I have been a small nation before a large one in past games and I understand, though many players say it "poor showmanship" or whatever, that the first and most satisfying reaction is to act however you damn well please, survival or not, just to prove that you DO have an effect on the game. To me, this is a fundamental concept necessary for "soft" conquering -- as long as a player feels that they have choices and input, and most importantly that you've GIVEN them this, they will likely follow you to the grave or until you REVOKE such freedom. Unfortunately for me, it was this second point that I did not tread upon quite hard enough and towards the end my Turkish "vassal" became a liability that I honestly could do nothing about. 
I trusted him explicitly [barring that one scare], so it never came of much, although I do believe some of my later orders would've given him cause for concern -- perhaps rightly so, I can't honestly recall what my strategy was there. For what it's worth, thanks for sticking by me even though I could've been an easy stab at several points. Wink
Italy, though I had initially quite determined that I would eliminate you with French assistance, a curious movement by Russia made my natural paranoia look for allies -- I kept telling France "one more season!", waving those perfect chances to bounce you for home centres, and eventually we fell into a perfect demilitarized peace -- I daresay we never had any misunderstanding [except maybe my arrogantly declared ship, I don't know]. Towards the end France and Germany had convinced me that an alliance with them was useful, and sadly that meant to had to go -- luckily, I never had to realize your end. Thanks for sticking with me for better or worse, and in essence serving as my navy. Wink
France, I honestly began with the idea of an AF alliance taking the board. I found myself the weakest player at the start, and kept equivocating because I didn't want unnecessary risks -- and I'm sure you gave up on my wishy-washy self after a while. All the same, I quite enjoyed our communications -- I recall in our earlier exchanges I took liberties and expressed my ideas in prose too flowery for what was to be exterminating our neighbour. Fun, all the same -- thanks. Wink
Germany, it was [ironically] your equivocation as you said that led to your stunted growth. I asked for assistance and you would always just sit it out, and eventually I determined [while being very wishy-washy myself] that I'd run my way through the alps.
England, we didn't interact much until the end, although we were entirely misaligned for my hypothetical solo, so I was a little loathe to trust you -- all the same, you helped me break the stalemate and, in theory, we could have ground our way through Franco-Germany. But, by that time the game had lost it's flare, and I thought I'd give stabbing you a half-hearted go. Sorry, for what it's worth.
I am first an foremost a player for the melodramatic -- I'm sure more than half of you realize that. Second, I play for the fun of conning, alliances, and, in general, communications: This ties in with the first. Thirdly, I play to win. And in this game, though I thought for a moment I was well on my way to a solo, I had lost the interesting exchanges, and my lazy attempts at stabbing didn't garner anything new. In my books, I had "won" my conditions when I had literally every [surviving] player on the board suggesting an alliance with me, the largest nation. Granted, a few of these offers were only to break a stalemate, but all the same I had a roaring good time for quite a while there. Thank you everyone for an entertaining game! Wink
Any questions or comments, and I'll try my best to answer.
Hope to see you all on the battlefield again some time!-K.T.Yugoslavia

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> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!

 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
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> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - LinDav123   (May 25, 2010, 12:23 pm)
> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!

 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
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> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 25, 2010, 9:41 am)
Thanks for your comments Dirk - I think I gave access to the forum for redscape users - no matter, I shall post your comments for posterity!
Anyone else have anything to say?

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Dirk Knemeyer <dirk(at)knemeyer.com> wrote:

Hi Doug,



Thanks for being an excellent GM, consistently timely with a lot of flavour text and fun little add-ons.



This was easily my least rewarding and fulfilling game of Dip played so far. For that, I certainly blame myself. This was my first time playing a variant like this where you had great control over your starting units. I made what I imagine to be a classic mistake, of trying to do something different and creative at the expense of having a good strategic plan. So it was that I clumsily set up my starting centers with a strongly north-northwest deployment without have a good diplomatic plan for either crushing England or working in concert with him. This ambiguity of purpose quickly led me to a marginalized board position. If I hadn't become buddies with Michael (France) I certainly would have been eliminated.



I was very much looking forward to this variant, so when my own lack of strategic planning made the game go quickly sideways, it was indeed a disappointment. In retrospect the only thing I really enjoyed in this game as it played out was my friendship with Michael and talking about moves. But even there, I had kind of "checked out" early in the game and my contributions to our tactical planning were often littered with mistakes and oversights. Sorry for not bringing my "A" game, Michael.



"Taking the Peace" was not my finest hour of dip. I do like the variant and think Doug is a quality GM, so will be looking to play this and with Doug again in the future.



I tried posting this at Redscape but it said only users with "Special Access" can post in that forum. Which apparently means not me! Smile  Feel free to reprint this over there...



Dirk



P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good fun, frustrated though I really was!!!





On May 25, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Douglas Fresh wrote:





The Summer sun twinkled on the surface of the Saone, as the dignitaries made their slow procession over the bridge and in to the city of Macon. In the square in front of the Hôtel de Montrevel, a huge mahogany table had been placed and, flanked by smartly suited attendants, six high backed chairs evenly-spaced around it.



Promising the coming of Fall; a cool breeze whipped at the huge stack of paper work piled on the table, and adjutants struggled to keep all in place as the dignitaries gathered about it.



Tesarik took his seat first and, reaching for a crystal decanter of Pouilly-Fuisse, grabbed it with both hands and took a large swig, before wiping his beard on the sleeve of his overcoat.



Commandant Ciro, of the Mediterranean People's Coalition sat to his right and smiled at those about him as if greeting long-lost family members at a late Summer's picnic.



Taking a seat to Tesarik's left, the Turkish delegate eyed the assembled warily before nibbling at some of the egg and cress sandwiches proffered by an attendant.



Across the table sat the general of the Realm of Frankish Visigoths alongside President Franz Heinrich of Greater Hannover. Looking battle-weary, but dignified, the pair eyed the English Prime Minister; the figurehead of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Scandinavia - noting their impatience - took his cue and began his address.



From his position in the front ranks of the Yugoslav honour guard, Agent Fresh watched the dignitaries as they waded through the paving-slab-thick peace agreement. The Head of each state finally took his turn in signing the Macon Accord, and with a splash of ink on paper, the first war in Europe in five hundred years was ended.



Agent Fresh felt the weight of his shouldered rifle and stifled the urge to raise it. The statesmen before him had caused untold terror and bloodshed, not to mention the extermination of the Russian people... surely the deserved to pay for what they had done?



But no. There had been bloodshed enough; and martyrdom to some fictionial cause was not really a facet of Fresh's personality. Besides, the Peace attained, must now be maintained, and in his deep-cover as an officer in the Yugoslav national Army, Agent Fresh was poised to carry out the work of the League of Shadows and to see to it that: Never again would the ugly shadow of war fall across the face of the continent they all must now share.



********************



Dear Players,



Many thanks for your participation in this game. I hope that you enjoyed it and look forward to seeing you around another board at some time in the future.



If you wish to write any End Of Game comments or reports, please post them in the redscape forum: (http://www.redscape.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=982&sid=c60e5ff9651e8d60c3f6d30c17f828d0) and also email them to all players, including dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com, so they go on the forum (wherever that is!)



The proposed and unused moves for Fall 1905 were as follows:





PROPOSED MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1905.



YUGOSLAVIA

A bur - gas

A mun - bur

A pru - sil

A ber holds

F gre holds

A bul - con

A rum - sev

A mos supports A rum - sev

A tyr - ven



YES



UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA

proposed DIAS



VOTE YES to DIAS



A STP S A Sev - Mos

F Kie - Hol

F NTHS F Kie - Hol

F Den - HEL

F Wal - ENG

A Yor - Edi

F Nwy S F NTH H



FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM

F Lyo S A Mar - PIE

F MAO - NAO

A Mar - PIE

A Pic - Par

F Tun - S F WES - TYS

F WES - TYS



I vote for the draw





GREATER HANNOVER

F Bel S Ruh - Hol

F Bre - ENG

A Ruh - Hol



VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!





MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION

A Pie to Venice

F Naples to Apulia

F Tys to Ion

F Tus to Tys

YES



TURKEY

YES

NMR

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[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - dknemeyer   (May 25, 2010, 9:16 am)
Hi Doug,
Thanks for being an excellent GM, consistently timely with a lot of
flavour text and fun little add-ons.
This was easily my least rewarding and fulfilling game of Dip played
so far. For that, I certainly blame myself. This was my first time
playing a variant like this where you had great control over your
starting units. I made what I imagine to be a classic mistake, of
trying to do something different and creative at the expense of having
a good strategic plan. So it was that I clumsily set up my starting
centers with a strongly north-northwest deployment without have a good
diplomatic plan for either crushing England or working in concert with
him. This ambiguity of purpose quickly led me to a marginalized board
position. If I hadn't become buddies with Michael (France) I certainly
would have been eliminated.
I was very much looking forward to this variant, so when my own lack
of strategic planning made the game go quickly sideways, it was indeed
a disappointment. In retrospect the only thing I really enjoyed in
this game as it played out was my friendship with Michael and talking
about moves. But even there, I had kind of "checked out" early in the
game and my contributions to our tactical planning were often littered
with mistakes and oversights. Sorry for not bringing my "A" game,
Michael.
"Taking the Peace" was not my finest hour of dip. I do like the
variant and think Doug is a quality GM, so will be looking to play
this and with Doug again in the future.
I tried posting this at Redscape but it said only users with "Special
Access" can post in that forum. Which apparently means not me! Smile
Feel free to reprint this over there...
Dirk
P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
fun, frustrated though I really was!!!

On May 25, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Douglas Fresh wrote:

The Summer sun twinkled on the surface of the Saone, as the
dignitaries made their slow procession over the bridge and in to the
city of Macon. In the square in front of the Hôtel de Montrevel, a
huge mahogany table had been placed and, flanked by smartly suited
attendants, six high backed chairs evenly-spaced around it.

Promising the coming of Fall; a cool breeze whipped at the huge
stack of paper work piled on the table, and adjutants struggled to
keep all in place as the dignitaries gathered about it.

Tesarik took his seat first and, reaching for a crystal decanter of
Pouilly-Fuisse, grabbed it with both hands and took a large swig,
before wiping his beard on the sleeve of his overcoat.

Commandant Ciro, of the Mediterranean People's Coalition sat to his
right and smiled at those about him as if greeting long-lost family
members at a late Summer's picnic.

Taking a seat to Tesarik's left, the Turkish delegate eyed the
assembled warily before nibbling at some of the egg and cress
sandwiches proffered by an attendant.

Across the table sat the general of the Realm of Frankish Visigoths
alongside President Franz Heinrich of Greater Hannover. Looking
battle-weary, but dignified, the pair eyed the English Prime
Minister; the figurehead of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and
Scandinavia - noting their impatience - took his cue and began his
address.

From his position in the front ranks of the Yugoslav honour guard,
Agent Fresh watched the dignitaries as they waded through the paving-
slab-thick peace agreement. The Head of each state finally took his
turn in signing the Macon Accord, and with a splash of ink on paper,
the first war in Europe in five hundred years was ended.

Agent Fresh felt the weight of his shouldered rifle and stifled the
urge to raise it. The statesmen before him had caused untold terror
and bloodshed, not to mention the extermination of the Russian
people... surely the deserved to pay for what they had done?

But no. There had been bloodshed enough; and martyrdom to some
fictionial cause was not really a facet of Fresh's personality.
Besides, the Peace attained, must now be maintained, and in his deep-
cover as an officer in the Yugoslav national Army, Agent Fresh was
poised to carry out the work of the League of Shadows and to see to
it that: Never again would the ugly shadow of war fall across the
face of the continent they all must now share.

********************

Dear Players,

Many thanks for your participation in this game. I hope that you
enjoyed it and look forward to seeing you around another board at
some time in the future.

If you wish to write any End Of Game comments or reports, please
post them in the redscape forum: (http://www.redscape.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=982&sid=c60e5ff9651e8d60c3f6d30c17f828d0
) and also email them to all players, including dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com
, so they go on the forum (wherever that is!)

The proposed and unused moves for Fall 1905 were as follows:


PROPOSED MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1905.

YUGOSLAVIA
A bur - gas
A mun - bur
A pru - sil
A ber holds
F gre holds
A bul - con
A rum - sev
A mos supports A rum - sev
A tyr - ven

YES

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA
proposed DIAS

VOTE YES to DIAS

A STP S A Sev - Mos
F Kie - Hol
F NTHS F Kie - Hol
F Den - HEL
F Wal - ENG
A Yor - Edi
F Nwy S F NTH H

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM
F Lyo S A Mar - PIE
F MAO - NAO
A Mar - PIE
A Pic - Par
F Tun - S F WES - TYS
F WES - TYS

I vote for the draw


GREATER HANNOVER
F Bel S Ruh - Hol
F Bre - ENG
A Ruh - Hol

VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION
A Pie to Venice
F Naples to Apulia
F Tys to Ion
F Tus to Tys
YES

TURKEY
YES
NMR

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 25, 2010, 6:49 am)

The Summer sun twinkled on the surface of the Saone, as the dignitaries made their slow procession over the bridge and in to the city of Macon. In the square in front of the Hôtel de Montrevel, a huge mahogany table had been placed and, flanked by smartly suited attendants, six high backed chairs evenly-spaced around it.


Promising the coming of Fall; a cool breeze whipped at the huge stack of paper work piled on the table, and adjutants struggled to keep all in place as the dignitaries gathered about it.

Tesarik took his seat first and, reaching for a crystal decanter of Pouilly-Fuisse, grabbed it with both hands and took a large swig, before wiping his beard on the sleeve of his overcoat.


Commandant Ciro, of the Mediterranean People's Coalition sat to his right and smiled at those about him as if greeting long-lost family members at a late Summer's picnic.

Taking a seat to Tesarik's left, the Turkish delegate eyed the assembled warily before nibbling at some of the egg and cress sandwiches proffered by an attendant.


Across the table sat the general of the Realm of Frankish Visigoths alongside President Franz Heinrich of Greater Hannover. Looking battle-weary, but dignified, the pair eyed the English Prime Minister; the figurehead of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Scandinavia - noting their impatience - took his cue and began his address.


From his position in the front ranks of the Yugoslav honour guard, Agent Fresh watched the dignitaries as they waded through the paving-slab-thick peace agreement. The Head of each state finally took his turn in signing the Macon Accord, and with a splash of ink on paper, the first war in Europe in five hundred years was ended.


Agent Fresh felt the weight of his shouldered rifle and stifled the urge to raise it. The statesmen before him had caused untold terror and bloodshed, not to mention the extermination of the Russian people... surely the deserved to pay for what they had done?


But no. There had been bloodshed enough; and martyrdom to some fictionial cause was not really a facet of Fresh's personality. Besides, the Peace attained, must now be maintained, and in his deep-cover as an officer in the Yugoslav national Army, Agent Fresh was poised to carry out the work of the League of Shadows and to see to it that: Never again would the ugly shadow of war fall across the face of the continent they all must now share.



********************

Dear Players,

Many thanks for your participation in this game. I hope that you enjoyed it and look forward to seeing you around another board at some time in the future.

If you wish to write any End Of Game comments or reports, please post them in the redscape forum: (http://www.redscape.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=982&sid=c60e5ff9651e8d60c3f6d30c17f828d0) and also email them to all players, including dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com, so they go on the forum (wherever that is!)


The proposed and unused moves for Fall 1905 were as follows:


PROPOSED MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1905.

YUGOSLAVIA
A bur - gas
A mun - bur
A pru - sil
A ber holds
F gre holds
A bul - con

A rum - sev
A mos supports A rum - sev
A tyr - ven

YES

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA
proposed DIAS
 
VOTE YES to DIAS
 
A STP S A Sev - Mos
F Kie - Hol
F NTHS F Kie - Hol

F Den - HEL
F Wal - ENG
A Yor - Edi
F Nwy S F NTH H

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM
F Lyo S A Mar - PIE
F MAO - NAO
A Mar - PIE
A Pic - Par
F Tun - S F WES - TYS
F WES - TYS

I vote for the draw



GREATER HANNOVER
F Bel S Ruh - Hol
F Bre - ENG
A Ruh - Hol

VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION
A Pie to Venice
F Naples to Apulia
F Tys to Ion
F Tus to Tys

YES

TURKEY
YES
NMR

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dc301) dknemeyer May 25, 09:16 am
Hi Doug,
Thanks for being an excellent GM, consistently timely with a lot of
flavour text and fun little add-ons.
This was easily my least rewarding and fulfilling game of Dip played
so far. For that, I certainly blame myself. This was my first time
playing a variant like this where you had great control over your
starting units. I made what I imagine to be a classic mistake, of
trying to do something different and creative at the expense of having
a good strategic plan. So it was that I clumsily set up my starting
centers with a strongly north-northwest deployment without have a good
diplomatic plan for either crushing England or working in concert with
him. This ambiguity of purpose quickly led me to a marginalized board
position. If I hadn't become buddies with Michael (France) I certainly
would have been eliminated.
I was very much looking forward to this variant, so when my own lack
of strategic planning made the game go quickly sideways, it was indeed
a disappointment. In retrospect the only thing I really enjoyed in
this game as it played out was my friendship with Michael and talking
about moves. But even there, I had kind of "checked out" early in the
game and my contributions to our tactical planning were often littered
with mistakes and oversights. Sorry for not bringing my "A" game,
Michael.
"Taking the Peace" was not my finest hour of dip. I do like the
variant and think Doug is a quality GM, so will be looking to play
this and with Doug again in the future.
I tried posting this at Redscape but it said only users with "Special
Access" can post in that forum. Which apparently means not me! Smile
Feel free to reprint this over there...
Dirk
P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
fun, frustrated though I really was!!!

On May 25, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Douglas Fresh wrote:

The Summer sun twinkled on the surface of the Saone, as the
dignitaries made their slow procession over the bridge and in to the
city of Macon. In the square in front of the Hôtel de Montrevel, a
huge mahogany table had been placed and, flanked by smartly suited
attendants, six high backed chairs evenly-spaced around it.

Promising the coming of Fall; a cool breeze whipped at the huge
stack of paper work piled on the table, and adjutants struggled to
keep all in place as the dignitaries gathered about it.

Tesarik took his seat first and, reaching for a crystal decanter of
Pouilly-Fuisse, grabbed it with both hands and took a large swig,
before wiping his beard on the sleeve of his overcoat.

Commandant Ciro, of the Mediterranean People's Coalition sat to his
right and smiled at those about him as if greeting long-lost family
members at a late Summer's picnic.

Taking a seat to Tesarik's left, the Turkish delegate eyed the
assembled warily before nibbling at some of the egg and cress
sandwiches proffered by an attendant.

Across the table sat the general of the Realm of Frankish Visigoths
alongside President Franz Heinrich of Greater Hannover. Looking
battle-weary, but dignified, the pair eyed the English Prime
Minister; the figurehead of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and
Scandinavia - noting their impatience - took his cue and began his
address.

From his position in the front ranks of the Yugoslav honour guard,
Agent Fresh watched the dignitaries as they waded through the paving-
slab-thick peace agreement. The Head of each state finally took his
turn in signing the Macon Accord, and with a splash of ink on paper,
the first war in Europe in five hundred years was ended.

Agent Fresh felt the weight of his shouldered rifle and stifled the
urge to raise it. The statesmen before him had caused untold terror
and bloodshed, not to mention the extermination of the Russian
people... surely the deserved to pay for what they had done?

But no. There had been bloodshed enough; and martyrdom to some
fictionial cause was not really a facet of Fresh's personality.
Besides, the Peace attained, must now be maintained, and in his deep-
cover as an officer in the Yugoslav national Army, Agent Fresh was
poised to carry out the work of the League of Shadows and to see to
it that: Never again would the ugly shadow of war fall across the
face of the continent they all must now share.

********************

Dear Players,

Many thanks for your participation in this game. I hope that you
enjoyed it and look forward to seeing you around another board at
some time in the future.

If you wish to write any End Of Game comments or reports, please
post them in the redscape forum: (http://www.redscape.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=982&sid=c60e5ff9651e8d60c3f6d30c17f828d0
) and also email them to all players, including dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com
, so they go on the forum (wherever that is!)

The proposed and unused moves for Fall 1905 were as follows:


PROPOSED MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1905.

YUGOSLAVIA
A bur - gas
A mun - bur
A pru - sil
A ber holds
F gre holds
A bul - con
A rum - sev
A mos supports A rum - sev
A tyr - ven

YES

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA
proposed DIAS

VOTE YES to DIAS

A STP S A Sev - Mos
F Kie - Hol
F NTHS F Kie - Hol
F Den - HEL
F Wal - ENG
A Yor - Edi
F Nwy S F NTH H

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM
F Lyo S A Mar - PIE
F MAO - NAO
A Mar - PIE
A Pic - Par
F Tun - S F WES - TYS
F WES - TYS

I vote for the draw


GREATER HANNOVER
F Bel S Ruh - Hol
F Bre - ENG
A Ruh - Hol

VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION
A Pie to Venice
F Naples to Apulia
F Tys to Ion
F Tus to Tys
YES

TURKEY
YES
NMR
DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dc301) Douglas_E_Fresh May 25, 09:41 am
Thanks for your comments Dirk - I think I gave access to the forum for redscape users - no matter, I shall post your comments for posterity!
Anyone else have anything to say?

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Dirk Knemeyer <dirk(at)knemeyer.com> wrote:

Hi Doug,



Thanks for being an excellent GM, consistently timely with a lot of flavour text and fun little add-ons.



This was easily my least rewarding and fulfilling game of Dip played so far. For that, I certainly blame myself. This was my first time playing a variant like this where you had great control over your starting units. I made what I imagine to be a classic mistake, of trying to do something different and creative at the expense of having a good strategic plan. So it was that I clumsily set up my starting centers with a strongly north-northwest deployment without have a good diplomatic plan for either crushing England or working in concert with him. This ambiguity of purpose quickly led me to a marginalized board position. If I hadn't become buddies with Michael (France) I certainly would have been eliminated.



I was very much looking forward to this variant, so when my own lack of strategic planning made the game go quickly sideways, it was indeed a disappointment. In retrospect the only thing I really enjoyed in this game as it played out was my friendship with Michael and talking about moves. But even there, I had kind of "checked out" early in the game and my contributions to our tactical planning were often littered with mistakes and oversights. Sorry for not bringing my "A" game, Michael.



"Taking the Peace" was not my finest hour of dip. I do like the variant and think Doug is a quality GM, so will be looking to play this and with Doug again in the future.



I tried posting this at Redscape but it said only users with "Special Access" can post in that forum. Which apparently means not me! Smile  Feel free to reprint this over there...



Dirk



P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good fun, frustrated though I really was!!!





On May 25, 2010, at 7:49 AM, Douglas Fresh wrote:





The Summer sun twinkled on the surface of the Saone, as the dignitaries made their slow procession over the bridge and in to the city of Macon. In the square in front of the Hôtel de Montrevel, a huge mahogany table had been placed and, flanked by smartly suited attendants, six high backed chairs evenly-spaced around it.



Promising the coming of Fall; a cool breeze whipped at the huge stack of paper work piled on the table, and adjutants struggled to keep all in place as the dignitaries gathered about it.



Tesarik took his seat first and, reaching for a crystal decanter of Pouilly-Fuisse, grabbed it with both hands and took a large swig, before wiping his beard on the sleeve of his overcoat.



Commandant Ciro, of the Mediterranean People's Coalition sat to his right and smiled at those about him as if greeting long-lost family members at a late Summer's picnic.



Taking a seat to Tesarik's left, the Turkish delegate eyed the assembled warily before nibbling at some of the egg and cress sandwiches proffered by an attendant.



Across the table sat the general of the Realm of Frankish Visigoths alongside President Franz Heinrich of Greater Hannover. Looking battle-weary, but dignified, the pair eyed the English Prime Minister; the figurehead of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Scandinavia - noting their impatience - took his cue and began his address.



From his position in the front ranks of the Yugoslav honour guard, Agent Fresh watched the dignitaries as they waded through the paving-slab-thick peace agreement. The Head of each state finally took his turn in signing the Macon Accord, and with a splash of ink on paper, the first war in Europe in five hundred years was ended.



Agent Fresh felt the weight of his shouldered rifle and stifled the urge to raise it. The statesmen before him had caused untold terror and bloodshed, not to mention the extermination of the Russian people... surely the deserved to pay for what they had done?



But no. There had been bloodshed enough; and martyrdom to some fictionial cause was not really a facet of Fresh's personality. Besides, the Peace attained, must now be maintained, and in his deep-cover as an officer in the Yugoslav national Army, Agent Fresh was poised to carry out the work of the League of Shadows and to see to it that: Never again would the ugly shadow of war fall across the face of the continent they all must now share.



********************



Dear Players,



Many thanks for your participation in this game. I hope that you enjoyed it and look forward to seeing you around another board at some time in the future.



If you wish to write any End Of Game comments or reports, please post them in the redscape forum: (http://www.redscape.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=982&sid=c60e5ff9651e8d60c3f6d30c17f828d0) and also email them to all players, including dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com, so they go on the forum (wherever that is!)



The proposed and unused moves for Fall 1905 were as follows:





PROPOSED MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1905.



YUGOSLAVIA

A bur - gas

A mun - bur

A pru - sil

A ber holds

F gre holds

A bul - con

A rum - sev

A mos supports A rum - sev

A tyr - ven



YES



UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA

proposed DIAS



VOTE YES to DIAS



A STP S A Sev - Mos

F Kie - Hol

F NTHS F Kie - Hol

F Den - HEL

F Wal - ENG

A Yor - Edi

F Nwy S F NTH H



FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM

F Lyo S A Mar - PIE

F MAO - NAO

A Mar - PIE

A Pic - Par

F Tun - S F WES - TYS

F WES - TYS



I vote for the draw





GREATER HANNOVER

F Bel S Ruh - Hol

F Bre - ENG

A Ruh - Hol



VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!





MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION

A Pie to Venice

F Naples to Apulia

F Tys to Ion

F Tus to Tys

YES



TURKEY

YES

NMR

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DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dc301) LinDav123 May 25, 12:23 pm
> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!

 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
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> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dc301) Kendercommander May 25, 05:42 pm
Good Evening!
Ordinarily I'm quite an advocate for EOGs, but my memory is honestly quite flagging. So, yes I'll do an EOG, but it will be rather short and lacking a thorough chronological journal.
Thank you Douglas for hosting this variant -- I am a little sad that my "custom" empire happened to be Austria-shuffle-south, but it was still entertaining and being able to call myself "Yugoslavia", for all the good it pragmatically did, served to keep my attention quite well. Wink I one day hope to run a game as smooth[ly] as yours.
I was flattered with how many players wanted to work with me, and genuinely seemed to follow through on the goal -- the exception naturally being post-Turkey Russia, but I DID open into Rumania, and things went pretty south after that... Honestly, I was planning on wiping Turkey out as soon as possible with Russian help -- his opening to Greece was, while quite a natural opening, rather threatening to my Balkan Empire. Russia, forgive my betrayal -- you held out til' the end, and forgive any unnecessary treachery on my part -- for me, half the fun is the con, not the end.
Now, I have been a small nation before a large one in past games and I understand, though many players say it "poor showmanship" or whatever, that the first and most satisfying reaction is to act however you damn well please, survival or not, just to prove that you DO have an effect on the game. To me, this is a fundamental concept necessary for "soft" conquering -- as long as a player feels that they have choices and input, and most importantly that you've GIVEN them this, they will likely follow you to the grave or until you REVOKE such freedom. Unfortunately for me, it was this second point that I did not tread upon quite hard enough and towards the end my Turkish "vassal" became a liability that I honestly could do nothing about. 
I trusted him explicitly [barring that one scare], so it never came of much, although I do believe some of my later orders would've given him cause for concern -- perhaps rightly so, I can't honestly recall what my strategy was there. For what it's worth, thanks for sticking by me even though I could've been an easy stab at several points. Wink
Italy, though I had initially quite determined that I would eliminate you with French assistance, a curious movement by Russia made my natural paranoia look for allies -- I kept telling France "one more season!", waving those perfect chances to bounce you for home centres, and eventually we fell into a perfect demilitarized peace -- I daresay we never had any misunderstanding [except maybe my arrogantly declared ship, I don't know]. Towards the end France and Germany had convinced me that an alliance with them was useful, and sadly that meant to had to go -- luckily, I never had to realize your end. Thanks for sticking with me for better or worse, and in essence serving as my navy. Wink
France, I honestly began with the idea of an AF alliance taking the board. I found myself the weakest player at the start, and kept equivocating because I didn't want unnecessary risks -- and I'm sure you gave up on my wishy-washy self after a while. All the same, I quite enjoyed our communications -- I recall in our earlier exchanges I took liberties and expressed my ideas in prose too flowery for what was to be exterminating our neighbour. Fun, all the same -- thanks. Wink
Germany, it was [ironically] your equivocation as you said that led to your stunted growth. I asked for assistance and you would always just sit it out, and eventually I determined [while being very wishy-washy myself] that I'd run my way through the alps.
England, we didn't interact much until the end, although we were entirely misaligned for my hypothetical solo, so I was a little loathe to trust you -- all the same, you helped me break the stalemate and, in theory, we could have ground our way through Franco-Germany. But, by that time the game had lost it's flare, and I thought I'd give stabbing you a half-hearted go. Sorry, for what it's worth.
I am first an foremost a player for the melodramatic -- I'm sure more than half of you realize that. Second, I play for the fun of conning, alliances, and, in general, communications: This ties in with the first. Thirdly, I play to win. And in this game, though I thought for a moment I was well on my way to a solo, I had lost the interesting exchanges, and my lazy attempts at stabbing didn't garner anything new. In my books, I had "won" my conditions when I had literally every [surviving] player on the board suggesting an alliance with me, the largest nation. Granted, a few of these offers were only to break a stalemate, but all the same I had a roaring good time for quite a while there. Thank you everyone for an entertaining game! Wink
Any questions or comments, and I'll try my best to answer.
Hope to see you all on the battlefield again some time!-K.T.Yugoslavia

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Subject: RE: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:23:48 +0100




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> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!

 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
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> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dc301) mistro May 25, 08:52 pm
To all, I usually don't make closing comments but I'm
compelled to in this one (after reading this you may see why I don't make
closing comments).
 
To Doug, you have my compliments on a good job. I thought
you ran a good game. Pro's were your commentary and the fix times for turns,.Cons,
that map just is impossible to read (and I'm not the only one, poor Italy went at
least 2 years without a build he was entitled to). I'm not sure I'd play the variant
again and I certainly would never be Russia in it. He gives up his 4 SC
advantage.
 
To Austria,
you played a good game but you were aided by the ineptitude of your closest
players. I'd relish a rematch someday. Your prose in the beginning was quite
captivating but you waffled too long. If it hadn't been for your vassal Italy I'd have taken you and I really thought that
we would end with a Austria France draw ( with Germany and one of your vassals)..
 
To Italy
and Turkey,
I'd love to hear how your game plan was going to give you a win? What exactly
was the point of being Austria's
pawns forever? Any good strategy says that the minor player has to turn on
their protector sometime! I am really curious; did Austria have dirty pictures of you
to blackmail you?
 
England
my biggest mistake was not trusting Germany
early in the game and invading England
proper via the German offered convoy. If I had done that we could have eliminated you
at least on the western part of the board and I probably would have won or the
draw would not have been so inclusive, because the only way that Germany's
and my stalemate line was broken was because we didn't eliminate you.. However
once we allied, for the record, Dirk and I were very agreeable to have our
three countries in a draw against Austria. However when you turned
unreliable while I didn't get quite as upset as Dirk over our exchanges, I will
remember that you are an unreliable ally, not the type I care to play with
again unless it's hostilities from the start and trust me it will be.
 
German you played a good game, especially considering your opening
moves that left you no SC's within a defensive buffer. Its tough being Germany (and Austria); the edge countries are
easier, but still you did a great job and were a terrific ally. I never thought
to stab you even with the proffered opportunities by other players. I hope we
stay in touch in the "real world" and play again. BTW at some point I'd like to
send my daughter's resume to you for comment and if you ever expand to nyc, let
me know.
 
In conclusion, you know this game is a lot like woman (at
least until I got married). You are in a relationship and its fun at first and
then it becomes a drag and then you look for a way out. You swear off them for
a while and then memories fade and you get drawn back in. I'm out of here for a
while, but I'm sure I'll be back sometime after the memories fade.
 
Rgds, Michael
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Marc Prud'homme <michaelfaraday(at)live.com> wrote:



Good Evening!
Ordinarily I'm quite an advocate for EOGs, but my memory is honestly quite flagging. So, yes I'll do an EOG, but it will be rather short and lacking a thorough chronological journal.

Thank you Douglas for hosting this variant -- I am a little sad that my "custom" empire happened to be Austria-shuffle-south, but it was still entertaining and being able to call myself "Yugoslavia", for all the good it pragmatically did, served to keep my attention quite well. Wink I one day hope to run a game as smooth[ly] as yours.

I was flattered with how many players wanted to work with me, and genuinely seemed to follow through on the goal -- the exception naturally being post-Turkey Russia, but I DID open into Rumania, and things went pretty south after that... Honestly, I was planning on wiping Turkey out as soon as possible with Russian help -- his opening to Greece was, while quite a natural opening, rather threatening to my Balkan Empire. Russia, forgive my betrayal -- you held out til' the end, and forgive any unnecessary treachery on my part -- for me, half the fun is the con, not the end.

Now, I have been a small nation before a large one in past games and I understand, though many players say it "poor showmanship" or whatever, that the first and most satisfying reaction is to act however you damn well please, survival or not, just to prove that you DO have an effect on the game. To me, this is a fundamental concept necessary for "soft" conquering -- as long as a player feels that they have choices and input, and most importantly that you've GIVEN them this, they will likely follow you to the grave or until you REVOKE such freedom. Unfortunately for me, it was this second point that I did not tread upon quite hard enough and towards the end my Turkish "vassal" became a liability that I honestly could do nothing about. 

I trusted him explicitly [barring that one scare], so it never came of much, although I do believe some of my later orders would've given him cause for concern -- perhaps rightly so, I can't honestly recall what my strategy was there. For what it's worth, thanks for sticking by me even though I could've been an easy stab at several points. Wink

Italy, though I had initially quite determined that I would eliminate you with French assistance, a curious movement by Russia made my natural paranoia look for allies -- I kept telling France "one more season!", waving those perfect chances to bounce you for home centres, and eventually we fell into a perfect demilitarized peace -- I daresay we never had any misunderstanding [except maybe my arrogantly declared ship, I don't know]. Towards the end France and Germany had convinced me that an alliance with them was useful, and sadly that meant to had to go -- luckily, I never had to realize your end. Thanks for sticking with me for better or worse, and in essence serving as my navy. Wink

France, I honestly began with the idea of an AF alliance taking the board. I found myself the weakest player at the start, and kept equivocating because I didn't want unnecessary risks -- and I'm sure you gave up on my wishy-washy self after a while. All the same, I quite enjoyed our communications -- I recall in our earlier exchanges I took liberties and expressed my ideas in prose too flowery for what was to be exterminating our neighbour. Fun, all the same -- thanks. Wink

Germany, it was [ironically] your equivocation as you said that led to your stunted growth. I asked for assistance and you would always just sit it out, and eventually I determined [while being very wishy-washy myself] that I'd run my way through the alps.

England, we didn't interact much until the end, although we were entirely misaligned for my hypothetical solo, so I was a little loathe to trust you -- all the same, you helped me break the stalemate and, in theory, we could have ground our way through Franco-Germany. But, by that time the game had lost it's flare, and I thought I'd give stabbing you a half-hearted go. Sorry, for what it's worth.

I am first an foremost a player for the melodramatic -- I'm sure more than half of you realize that. Second, I play for the fun of conning, alliances, and, in general, communications: This ties in with the first. Thirdly, I play to win. And in this game, though I thought for a moment I was well on my way to a solo, I had lost the interesting exchanges, and my lazy attempts at stabbing didn't garner anything new. In my books, I had "won" my conditions when I had literally every [surviving] player on the board suggesting an alliance with me, the largest nation. Granted, a few of these offers were only to break a stalemate, but all the same I had a roaring good time for quite a while there. Thank you everyone for an entertaining game! Wink

Any questions or comments, and I'll try my best to answer.
Hope to see you all on the battlefield again some time!-K.T.Yugoslavia


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To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com

CC: livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com; rob.a.goodwin(at)googlemail.com

Subject: RE: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:23:48 +0100





> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!

 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
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> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dc301) livinglifeforothers May 26, 01:49 am
I'd like to echo what everyone has said about the flavor text and role playing that Doug wrote, it was very enjoyable. I'm only sorry I didn't have more time to add little details about my nation. The map was a little dodgy, and it was easy to confuse mine and france's units.


I started out by making peace with everyone, which, was nice as far as things go, but it meant that off the bat I had to break the peace with someone. I wasn't sure who to work with, but France's rapid growth put my on edge, especially given his access to the Mediterranean. Although he wasn't too threatening, i figured it was only a matter of time before he wiped out Germany, and then came for me. I planned on nabbing Marsailles and maybe spain for builds, and then making nice so I could turn east and secure the Mediterranean for myself. After that though, things got messy. Since I was going after France I needed Austrian backing, and he seemed supportive, and even got me Greece. As things dragged on though, I wasn't getting anywhere with France, and I figured it was only a matter of time before Austria stabbed me. Unfortunately, I had so concentrated my forces on France that it would have taken me many turns to redeploy.


France sinking two of my ships it would have been the perfect time to redeploy, but alas, it was not to be, and a combination of some miscommunication, and a lot of stupidity on my part led me to miss this chance. After that I felt pretty isolated, given that I was vulnerable to an Austrian stab, and fighting France, my only two neighbors. England reached out, but I wasn't very optimistic about my future, and thus, about working together.


All in all, I very much enjoyed the variant, and liked making my own little empire, even if it was fairly similar to the standard Italy. Thanks you all for the enjoyable game, and I hope to have the pleasure of playing with you again sometime.


kos

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 8:52 PM, Michael Stroz <mistro914(at)gmail.com> wrote:

To all, I usually don't make closing comments but I'm
compelled to in this one (after reading this you may see why I don't make
closing comments).
 
To Doug, you have my compliments on a good job. I thought
you ran a good game. Pro's were your commentary and the fix times for turns,.Cons,
that map just is impossible to read (and I'm not the only one, poor Italy went at
least 2 years without a build he was entitled to). I'm not sure I'd play the variant
again and I certainly would never be Russia in it. He gives up his 4 SC
advantage.
 
To Austria,
you played a good game but you were aided by the ineptitude of your closest
players. I'd relish a rematch someday. Your prose in the beginning was quite
captivating but you waffled too long. If it hadn't been for your vassal Italy I'd have taken you and I really thought that
we would end with a Austria France draw ( with Germany and one of your vassals)..
 
To Italy
and Turkey,
I'd love to hear how your game plan was going to give you a win? What exactly
was the point of being Austria's
pawns forever? Any good strategy says that the minor player has to turn on
their protector sometime! I am really curious; did Austria have dirty pictures of you
to blackmail you?
 
England
my biggest mistake was not trusting Germany
early in the game and invading England
proper via the German offered convoy. If I had done that we could have eliminated you
at least on the western part of the board and I probably would have won or the
draw would not have been so inclusive, because the only way that Germany's
and my stalemate line was broken was because we didn't eliminate you.. However
once we allied, for the record, Dirk and I were very agreeable to have our
three countries in a draw against Austria. However when you turned
unreliable while I didn't get quite as upset as Dirk over our exchanges, I will
remember that you are an unreliable ally, not the type I care to play with
again unless it's hostilities from the start and trust me it will be.
 
German you played a good game, especially considering your opening
moves that left you no SC's within a defensive buffer. Its tough being Germany (and Austria); the edge countries are
easier, but still you did a great job and were a terrific ally. I never thought
to stab you even with the proffered opportunities by other players. I hope we
stay in touch in the "real world" and play again. BTW at some point I'd like to
send my daughter's resume to you for comment and if you ever expand to nyc, let
me know.
 
In conclusion, you know this game is a lot like woman (at
least until I got married). You are in a relationship and its fun at first and
then it becomes a drag and then you look for a way out. You swear off them for
a while and then memories fade and you get drawn back in. I'm out of here for a
while, but I'm sure I'll be back sometime after the memories fade.
 
Rgds, Michael
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Marc Prud'homme <michaelfaraday(at)live.com> wrote:




Good Evening!
Ordinarily I'm quite an advocate for EOGs, but my memory is honestly quite flagging. So, yes I'll do an EOG, but it will be rather short and lacking a thorough chronological journal.

Thank you Douglas for hosting this variant -- I am a little sad that my "custom" empire happened to be Austria-shuffle-south, but it was still entertaining and being able to call myself "Yugoslavia", for all the good it pragmatically did, served to keep my attention quite well. Wink I one day hope to run a game as smooth[ly] as yours.

I was flattered with how many players wanted to work with me, and genuinely seemed to follow through on the goal -- the exception naturally being post-Turkey Russia, but I DID open into Rumania, and things went pretty south after that... Honestly, I was planning on wiping Turkey out as soon as possible with Russian help -- his opening to Greece was, while quite a natural opening, rather threatening to my Balkan Empire. Russia, forgive my betrayal -- you held out til' the end, and forgive any unnecessary treachery on my part -- for me, half the fun is the con, not the end.

Now, I have been a small nation before a large one in past games and I understand, though many players say it "poor showmanship" or whatever, that the first and most satisfying reaction is to act however you damn well please, survival or not, just to prove that you DO have an effect on the game. To me, this is a fundamental concept necessary for "soft" conquering -- as long as a player feels that they have choices and input, and most importantly that you've GIVEN them this, they will likely follow you to the grave or until you REVOKE such freedom. Unfortunately for me, it was this second point that I did not tread upon quite hard enough and towards the end my Turkish "vassal" became a liability that I honestly could do nothing about. 

I trusted him explicitly [barring that one scare], so it never came of much, although I do believe some of my later orders would've given him cause for concern -- perhaps rightly so, I can't honestly recall what my strategy was there. For what it's worth, thanks for sticking by me even though I could've been an easy stab at several points. Wink

Italy, though I had initially quite determined that I would eliminate you with French assistance, a curious movement by Russia made my natural paranoia look for allies -- I kept telling France "one more season!", waving those perfect chances to bounce you for home centres, and eventually we fell into a perfect demilitarized peace -- I daresay we never had any misunderstanding [except maybe my arrogantly declared ship, I don't know]. Towards the end France and Germany had convinced me that an alliance with them was useful, and sadly that meant to had to go -- luckily, I never had to realize your end. Thanks for sticking with me for better or worse, and in essence serving as my navy. Wink

France, I honestly began with the idea of an AF alliance taking the board. I found myself the weakest player at the start, and kept equivocating because I didn't want unnecessary risks -- and I'm sure you gave up on my wishy-washy self after a while. All the same, I quite enjoyed our communications -- I recall in our earlier exchanges I took liberties and expressed my ideas in prose too flowery for what was to be exterminating our neighbour. Fun, all the same -- thanks. Wink

Germany, it was [ironically] your equivocation as you said that led to your stunted growth. I asked for assistance and you would always just sit it out, and eventually I determined [while being very wishy-washy myself] that I'd run my way through the alps.

England, we didn't interact much until the end, although we were entirely misaligned for my hypothetical solo, so I was a little loathe to trust you -- all the same, you helped me break the stalemate and, in theory, we could have ground our way through Franco-Germany. But, by that time the game had lost it's flare, and I thought I'd give stabbing you a half-hearted go. Sorry, for what it's worth.

I am first an foremost a player for the melodramatic -- I'm sure more than half of you realize that. Second, I play for the fun of conning, alliances, and, in general, communications: This ties in with the first. Thirdly, I play to win. And in this game, though I thought for a moment I was well on my way to a solo, I had lost the interesting exchanges, and my lazy attempts at stabbing didn't garner anything new. In my books, I had "won" my conditions when I had literally every [surviving] player on the board suggesting an alliance with me, the largest nation. Granted, a few of these offers were only to break a stalemate, but all the same I had a roaring good time for quite a while there. Thank you everyone for an entertaining game! Wink

Any questions or comments, and I'll try my best to answer.
Hope to see you all on the battlefield again some time!-K.T.Yugoslavia


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To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com

CC: livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com; rob.a.goodwin(at)googlemail.com

Subject: RE: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:23:48 +0100





> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!


 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
> CC: lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com; rob.a.goodwin(at)googlemail.com

> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dc301) LinDav123 May 26, 03:34 pm
 

Blimey, enjoy your break Michael....I hope the next women you find is more of a looker Wink


 
DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal - Kendercommander   (May 18, 2010, 5:43 pm)
As the proposed Soloist [who is quite a few centres short and is a few years away from a legitimate one], I'd like to publicly support the DIAS, and publicly vote NO on the solo, even if it the second part IS just a hallow gesture now. I  am flattered by the attention, though. Wink
I'm curious if I could've wriggled my way towards the solo, but all the enjoyment is more-or-less gone from that -- I'd either achieve this through someone yielding centres to effect an end, or else through grinding my way forward bit by bit... 
Not to sound arrogant, but no one else is really poised to be a board leader when/if you all stand against me, and it'll take years after my decline for someone to emerge into that role. And, if you don't stand against me, it's likely because of boredom with this game. Neither is a good option this late.
Ordinarily I am quite opposed to DIASes with fewer than about 3 casualties. But I won't derive any particular satisfaction from trying to wipe out any remaining players.
So, hopefully you all will vote yes to end the atrocity of war!
That said...
Austria Final Orders F'1905:
F gre supports A bul[sc]A bul supports A rumA rum supports F blaA pru - livA mos supports A pru - livA mun - silA tyr - ven## Defensively, you understandA bur - munA ber supports A bur - mun##### Bring it on. =D
Yours ETC,-K.T.YugoslaviaPS: Sorry to all those folks [well, about all of you at this point] to whom I promised I'd kill some other poor folks [...well, just about all of you] -- I rarely do finish what I start. =P
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:07:26 +0100
Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: lindav123(at)hotmail.com
CC: mistro914(at)gmail.com; dirk(at)knemeyer.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com

I am prepared to have only one EOG proposal on the table at any one time. However, as it is clear that the solo proposal has been shot down before it has left the runway, please let me have your votes on a DIAS with your Fall 1905 orders.

Thanks
D

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:21 PM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 

ok then....Doug can we have more than one EOG proposal in a season? If so I'll propose a DIAS please.

 

Cheers.
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:16:14 -0400
Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: mistro914(at)gmail.com
To: lindav123(at)hotmail.com

CC: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dirk(at)knemeyer.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com


Since we are broadcasting in the open... A draw was voted down two turns ago... I'll vote for a draw or a solo but its time to let this game go...


On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 
guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.

I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 
Dave
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:35 +0100
Subject: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com



Dear Players,

There is a proposal for an Austrian Solo on the table. I imagine there will be one until the game ends. Please be sure to cast your vote when submitting your orders. Thanks Smile

Kind regards

D




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DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 18, 2010, 10:07 am)
I am prepared to have only one EOG proposal on the table at any one time. However, as it is clear that the solo proposal has been shot down before it has left the runway, please let me have your votes on a DIAS with your Fall 1905 orders.

Thanks
D

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:21 PM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 

ok then....Doug can we have more than one EOG proposal in a season? If so I'll propose a DIAS please.

 

Cheers.
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:16:14 -0400
Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: mistro914(at)gmail.com
To: lindav123(at)hotmail.com

CC: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dirk(at)knemeyer.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com


Since we are broadcasting in the open... A draw was voted down two turns ago... I'll vote for a draw or a solo but its time to let this game go...


On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 
guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.

I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 
Dave
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:35 +0100
Subject: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com



Dear Players,

There is a proposal for an Austrian Solo on the table. I imagine there will be one until the game ends. Please be sure to cast your vote when submitting your orders. Thanks Smile

Kind regards

D




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DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal - LinDav123   (May 18, 2010, 9:21 am)
 

ok then....Doug can we have more than one EOG proposal in a season? If so I'll propose a DIAS please.

 

Cheers.
 

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal - mistro   (May 18, 2010, 9:16 am)
Since we are broadcasting in the open... A draw was voted down two turns ago... I'll vote for a draw or a solo but its time to let this game go...

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 

guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.


I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 

Dave

 


Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:35 +0100
Subject: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com


Dear Players,

There is a proposal for an Austrian Solo on the table. I imagine there will be one until the game ends. Please be sure to cast your vote when submitting your orders. Thanks Smile


Kind regards
D


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DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal - LinDav123   (May 18, 2010, 9:09 am)
 

guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.


I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 

Dave

 

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 18, 2010, 9:01 am)
Dear Players,

There is a proposal for an Austrian Solo on the table. I imagine there will be one until the game ends. Please be sure to cast your vote when submitting your orders. Thanks Smile

Kind regards
D

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal (dc301) LinDav123 May 18, 09:09 am
 

guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.


I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 

Dave

 
DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal (dc301) mistro May 18, 09:16 am
Since we are broadcasting in the open... A draw was voted down two turns ago... I'll vote for a draw or a solo but its time to let this game go...

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 

guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.


I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 

Dave

 


Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:35 +0100
Subject: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com


Dear Players,

There is a proposal for an Austrian Solo on the table. I imagine there will be one until the game ends. Please be sure to cast your vote when submitting your orders. Thanks Smile


Kind regards
D


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DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal (dc301) LinDav123 May 18, 09:21 am
 

ok then....Doug can we have more than one EOG proposal in a season? If so I'll propose a DIAS please.

 

Cheers.
 
DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal (dc301) Douglas_E_Fresh May 18, 10:07 am
I am prepared to have only one EOG proposal on the table at any one time. However, as it is clear that the solo proposal has been shot down before it has left the runway, please let me have your votes on a DIAS with your Fall 1905 orders.

Thanks
D

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:21 PM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 

ok then....Doug can we have more than one EOG proposal in a season? If so I'll propose a DIAS please.

 

Cheers.
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:16:14 -0400
Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: mistro914(at)gmail.com
To: lindav123(at)hotmail.com

CC: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dirk(at)knemeyer.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com


Since we are broadcasting in the open... A draw was voted down two turns ago... I'll vote for a draw or a solo but its time to let this game go...


On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 
guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.

I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 
Dave
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:35 +0100
Subject: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com



Dear Players,

There is a proposal for an Austrian Solo on the table. I imagine there will be one until the game ends. Please be sure to cast your vote when submitting your orders. Thanks Smile

Kind regards

D




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DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal (dc301) Kendercommander May 18, 05:43 pm
As the proposed Soloist [who is quite a few centres short and is a few years away from a legitimate one], I'd like to publicly support the DIAS, and publicly vote NO on the solo, even if it the second part IS just a hallow gesture now. I  am flattered by the attention, though. Wink
I'm curious if I could've wriggled my way towards the solo, but all the enjoyment is more-or-less gone from that -- I'd either achieve this through someone yielding centres to effect an end, or else through grinding my way forward bit by bit... 
Not to sound arrogant, but no one else is really poised to be a board leader when/if you all stand against me, and it'll take years after my decline for someone to emerge into that role. And, if you don't stand against me, it's likely because of boredom with this game. Neither is a good option this late.
Ordinarily I am quite opposed to DIASes with fewer than about 3 casualties. But I won't derive any particular satisfaction from trying to wipe out any remaining players.
So, hopefully you all will vote yes to end the atrocity of war!
That said...
Austria Final Orders F'1905:
F gre supports A bul[sc]A bul supports A rumA rum supports F blaA pru - livA mos supports A pru - livA mun - silA tyr - ven## Defensively, you understandA bur - munA ber supports A bur - mun##### Bring it on. =D
Yours ETC,-K.T.YugoslaviaPS: Sorry to all those folks [well, about all of you at this point] to whom I promised I'd kill some other poor folks [...well, just about all of you] -- I rarely do finish what I start. =P
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 16:07:26 +0100
Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: lindav123(at)hotmail.com
CC: mistro914(at)gmail.com; dirk(at)knemeyer.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com

I am prepared to have only one EOG proposal on the table at any one time. However, as it is clear that the solo proposal has been shot down before it has left the runway, please let me have your votes on a DIAS with your Fall 1905 orders.

Thanks
D

On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 3:21 PM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:



 

ok then....Doug can we have more than one EOG proposal in a season? If so I'll propose a DIAS please.

 

Cheers.
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 10:16:14 -0400
Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: mistro914(at)gmail.com
To: lindav123(at)hotmail.com

CC: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dirk(at)knemeyer.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com


Since we are broadcasting in the open... A draw was voted down two turns ago... I'll vote for a draw or a solo but its time to let this game go...


On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 10:09 AM, David Ling <lindav123(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

 
guys - you can quit wasting your time with these proposals. Hes sitting on 11 SCs for goodness sake.

I'll vote for a draw but not for a solo. If somebody wants a solo they can come out and take the 18 SCs like everyone else has to.

 
Dave
 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 15:01:35 +0100
Subject: DC301 - TTP - Austrian Solo Proposal
From: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com



Dear Players,

There is a proposal for an Austrian Solo on the table. I imagine there will be one until the game ends. Please be sure to cast your vote when submitting your orders. Thanks Smile

Kind regards

D




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DC301 - TTP - SPRING & SUMMER 1905 MAPS - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 18, 2010, 8:31 am)
MILITARY MANOUVRES SPRING 1905.

YUGOSLAVIA
Yugoslavia naturally votes
A pru supports A sil - ber SUCCEEDS
A mun - bur SUCCEEDS
A boh - mun SUCCEEDS
A tyr - ven FAILS *BOUNCE*
A sil - ber SUCCEEDS

A mos - stp FAILS *1v1*
F ion - gre SUCCEEDS
A bud - rum SUCCEEDS
A bul - con FAILS *BOUNCE*

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA
F BAL - Kiel SUCCEEDS
F Den S F BAL - Kiel SUCCEEDS
F Lon - Wal SUCCEEDS

F NTH - ENG FAILS *BOUNCE*
A Lpl - Yor SUCCEEDS

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM
A Bel - Pic SUCCEEDS
A Bur - Mar SUCCEEDS
F Lyo - Wes SUCCEEDS
F Mar - Lyo SUCCEEDS
F Spa(sc) - MAO SUCCEEDS
F Tun S Lyo - Wes SUPPORT CUT



GREATER HANNOVER
A Ber - Kie FAILS *1v2* UNIT DESTROYED
F Bre - ENG FAILS *BOUNCE*
F ENG - Bel SUCCEEDS
A Hol - Ruh SUCCEEDS


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION
F Tys to Tunis FAILS *1v1*

F Naples to Tys FAILS (cannot dislodge own unit)
F Tus Supp. F Naples to Tys
A pie to Venice FAILS *BOUNCE*

TURKEY
A Sev - A Mos FAILS (unit ordered to Move)
F Smy - Aeg SUCCEEDS
F Con - bla SUCCEEDS

A Ank - con FAILS *BOUNCE*


*************

Dear Players,

The Hannoverian A Ber had nowhere to run and so no retreats are required. Please check your maps carefully for any errors on my part.
Next Deadline of Fall 1905 is due to me no later than 12noon GMT next Tuesday, 25th May


Apologies for the lack of preamble featuring the exploits of Agent Fresh - I have taken on another GMing job with intensive map work and haven't had time to write any more - I shall endeavor to do so where possible Smile

Best
D

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - WINTER 1904 MAP - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 13, 2010, 6:17 am)
Dear Players,

Hooray we have all adjustment orders in!

The proposal for an Austrian Solo has failed.

On a side note - I have apparently reached my max. upload limit on redscape, so maps will not appear on there until that has been increased. This will not affect DipCorps postings Smile


MILITARY PRODUCTION WINTER 1904.

YUGOSLAVIA
Build A Budapest.

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA
Build:
F Nwy

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM
remove A RUH

GREATER HANNOVER

n/a

MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION
build F Naples

TURKEY
Build F Smy

Spring 1905 due to me Tues. 18th May 12noon GMT


Thanks
D

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - FALL & AUTUMN 1904 MAPS - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 11, 2010, 8:33 am)
Sorry - I added the Turkish build on the map but forgot to mention it in
the text. Turkey has +1 this winter

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com> wrote:

****URGENT MEMO****
AGENT D. E. FRESH TO LoS HQ ZURICH

PEACE TALKS ABANDONED. YUGOSLAV WAR MACHINE ADVANCES


MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1904.

YUGOSLAVIA

A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
A pru - ber FAILS (1 v 1)

A gal - sil SUCCEEDS
A boh supports A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
A bul - con (FAILS 1 v 2)
A mos supports A STP SUCCEEDS
A tyr supports A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
F adr - ion SUCCEEDS

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA

F BOT - BAL SUCCEEDS
F Den - Kie  FAILS (BOUNCE)
F NTH - ENG FAILS (1 v 1)
F Lon - Wal FAILS (BOUNCE)
A Lpl - Wal FAILS (BOUNCE)
A StP H SUCCEEDS

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM

F Mars S F WES-LYO SUCCEEDS

F Wes -LYO SUCCEEDS
F Spa S F Mar SUCCEEDS
F Tun -H SUCCEEDS
A Mun S German A  Ber - Kie FAILS (SUPPORT CUT - UNIT DISLODGED 3 v 2)
A Ruh S A Mun SUCCEEDS
A Wal - Bel SUCCEEDS


GREATER HANNOVER


A Ber - Kie FAILS (BOUNCE)
F Eng C A Wal - Bel SUCCEEDS
A Kie - Hol SUCCEEDS
F MAO -Bre SUCCEEDS


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION

F Rome to Tys SUCCEEDS
F Tuscany supp F Rome to Tys SUCCEEDS

A Pie Supp F Lyo to Marsailles SUPPORT SUCCEEDS, (MOVE ORDER FAILS)

TURKEY
F bla - con SUCCEEDS
A ank S F bla - con SUCCEEDS
F lyo - mar FAILS (2 v 2 UNIT DESTROYED)

*************
Dear Players,


Please check the map and orders thoroughly for mistakes. If you spot any please let me know asap.

The Turkish F GoL has been sunk and the Frankish A Mun only had one option for retreat (to Burgundy) - Michael, please let me know in the next 24 hours if you would have prefered the unit to retreat OTB.


I have included both Fall and Autumn 1904 maps. The new centre count is on the map. Adjustments are
Yugoslavia +1
UKGB&S +1
Frankish & Visigothic Realm -(minus) 1
Mediterranean Peoples Confederation +1


Those Winter adjustments are due to me no later than 12noon this Thusday (in roughly 48 hours)

The proposal for the DIAS has failed.

I have received a proposal for an Austrian (Yugoslavian!) Solo Victory.


This proposal would require all players to vote 'YES' in order for it to succeed, with any abstentions counting as 'NO' votes. I shall set the deadline for this proposal to coincide with the Spring 1905 deadline which is 12noon GMT next Tuesday, However, if I receive 'YES' votes from all players before that time then I shall let you all know.



Best
D

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - FALL & AUTUMN 1904 MAPS - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 11, 2010, 6:55 am)
****URGENT MEMO****
AGENT D. E. FRESH TO LoS HQ ZURICH

PEACE TALKS ABANDONED. YUGOSLAV WAR MACHINE ADVANCES

MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1904.

YUGOSLAVIA

A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
A pru - ber FAILS (1 v 1)

A gal - sil SUCCEEDS
A boh supports A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
A bul - con (FAILS 1 v 2)
A mos supports A STP SUCCEEDS
A tyr supports A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
F adr - ion SUCCEEDS

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA

F BOT - BAL SUCCEEDS
F Den - Kie  FAILS (BOUNCE)
F NTH - ENG FAILS (1 v 1)
F Lon - Wal FAILS (BOUNCE)
A Lpl - Wal FAILS (BOUNCE)
A StP H SUCCEEDS

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM

F Mars S F WES-LYO SUCCEEDS

F Wes -LYO SUCCEEDS
F Spa S F Mar SUCCEEDS
F Tun -H SUCCEEDS
A Mun S German A  Ber - Kie FAILS (SUPPORT CUT - UNIT DISLODGED 3 v 2)
A Ruh S A Mun SUCCEEDS
A Wal - Bel SUCCEEDS


GREATER HANNOVER


A Ber - Kie FAILS (BOUNCE)
F Eng C A Wal - Bel SUCCEEDS
A Kie - Hol SUCCEEDS
F MAO -Bre SUCCEEDS


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION

F Rome to Tys SUCCEEDS
F Tuscany supp F Rome to Tys SUCCEEDS

A Pie Supp F Lyo to Marsailles SUPPORT SUCCEEDS, (MOVE ORDER FAILS)

TURKEY
F bla - con SUCCEEDS
A ank S F bla - con SUCCEEDS
F lyo - mar FAILS (2 v 2 UNIT DESTROYED)

*************
Dear Players,


Please check the map and orders thoroughly for mistakes. If you spot any please let me know asap.

The Turkish F GoL has been sunk and the Frankish A Mun only had one option for retreat (to Burgundy) - Michael, please let me know in the next 24 hours if you would have prefered the unit to retreat OTB.


I have included both Fall and Autumn 1904 maps. The new centre count is on the map. Adjustments are
Yugoslavia +1
UKGB&S +1
Frankish & Visigothic Realm -(minus) 1
Mediterranean Peoples Confederation +1


Those Winter adjustments are due to me no later than 12noon this Thusday (in roughly 48 hours)

The proposal for the DIAS has failed.

I have received a proposal for an Austrian (Yugoslavian!) Solo Victory.


This proposal would require all players to vote 'YES' in order for it to succeed, with any abstentions counting as 'NO' votes. I shall set the deadline for this proposal to coincide with the Spring 1905 deadline which is 12noon GMT next Tuesday, However, if I receive 'YES' votes from all players before that time then I shall let you all know.



Best
D

[Reply]

DC301 - TTP - FALL & AUTUMN 1904 MAPS (dc301) Douglas_E_Fresh May 11, 08:33 am
Sorry - I added the Turkish build on the map but forgot to mention it in
the text. Turkey has +1 this winter

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:55 PM, Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com> wrote:

****URGENT MEMO****
AGENT D. E. FRESH TO LoS HQ ZURICH

PEACE TALKS ABANDONED. YUGOSLAV WAR MACHINE ADVANCES


MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1904.

YUGOSLAVIA

A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
A pru - ber FAILS (1 v 1)

A gal - sil SUCCEEDS
A boh supports A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
A bul - con (FAILS 1 v 2)
A mos supports A STP SUCCEEDS
A tyr supports A sil - mun SUCCEEDS
F adr - ion SUCCEEDS

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA

F BOT - BAL SUCCEEDS
F Den - Kie  FAILS (BOUNCE)
F NTH - ENG FAILS (1 v 1)
F Lon - Wal FAILS (BOUNCE)
A Lpl - Wal FAILS (BOUNCE)
A StP H SUCCEEDS

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM

F Mars S F WES-LYO SUCCEEDS

F Wes -LYO SUCCEEDS
F Spa S F Mar SUCCEEDS
F Tun -H SUCCEEDS
A Mun S German A  Ber - Kie FAILS (SUPPORT CUT - UNIT DISLODGED 3 v 2)
A Ruh S A Mun SUCCEEDS
A Wal - Bel SUCCEEDS


GREATER HANNOVER


A Ber - Kie FAILS (BOUNCE)
F Eng C A Wal - Bel SUCCEEDS
A Kie - Hol SUCCEEDS
F MAO -Bre SUCCEEDS


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION

F Rome to Tys SUCCEEDS
F Tuscany supp F Rome to Tys SUCCEEDS

A Pie Supp F Lyo to Marsailles SUPPORT SUCCEEDS, (MOVE ORDER FAILS)

TURKEY
F bla - con SUCCEEDS
A ank S F bla - con SUCCEEDS
F lyo - mar FAILS (2 v 2 UNIT DESTROYED)

*************
Dear Players,


Please check the map and orders thoroughly for mistakes. If you spot any please let me know asap.

The Turkish F GoL has been sunk and the Frankish A Mun only had one option for retreat (to Burgundy) - Michael, please let me know in the next 24 hours if you would have prefered the unit to retreat OTB.


I have included both Fall and Autumn 1904 maps. The new centre count is on the map. Adjustments are
Yugoslavia +1
UKGB&S +1
Frankish & Visigothic Realm -(minus) 1
Mediterranean Peoples Confederation +1


Those Winter adjustments are due to me no later than 12noon this Thusday (in roughly 48 hours)

The proposal for the DIAS has failed.

I have received a proposal for an Austrian (Yugoslavian!) Solo Victory.


This proposal would require all players to vote 'YES' in order for it to succeed, with any abstentions counting as 'NO' votes. I shall set the deadline for this proposal to coincide with the Spring 1905 deadline which is 12noon GMT next Tuesday, However, if I receive 'YES' votes from all players before that time then I shall let you all know.



Best
D
DC301: TTP: Summer 1904 MAP - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 05, 2010, 6:31 am)
Dear Players,

The Frankish Fleet auto-retreats to the South Coast of Spain.

Summer 1904 Map attached.

I have received a DIAS (Draw-Including-All-Survivors) proposal from one of our players.

I require you to vote on the proposal and submit your vote with your next set of orders (Fall 1904 next Tuesday) Without a unanimous 'YES' vote, the proposal will fail and the game shall continue. Any abstention will be viewed as a 'NO' vote.


Kind regards
D

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DC301: TTP: Spring 1904 MAPS - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 04, 2010, 6:28 am)
His Cavalry unit; once again having met no resistance, prepared to make camp for the night and Agent Fresh (finding himself in Silesia for the second time since war broke out) sauntered casually off, under the pretext of taking a shit in the woods, to file his report to Zurich.



****URGENT MEMO****
AGENT D. E. FRESH TO LoS HQ ZURICH

MILITARY MANOUVRES SPRING 1904.


YUGOSLAVIA
A war - pru SUCCEEDS
A mos supports F stp[s] ORDER FAILS (F StP ORDERED TO MOVE)

A gal - sil SUCCEEDS
A boh supports A gal - sil SUCCEEDS
A tyr - mun FAILS *1 v 3*
A bud - gal SUCCEEDS
A bul - con FAILS *BOUNCE*
F tri - adr SUCCEEDS

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA

A Edi - Lpl SUCCEEDS
F NTH - Lon SUCCEEDS
F Nwy - NTH SUCCEEDS
F BAL - Den SUCCEEDS
F StP sc - GoB SUCCEEDS
A Fin - St.P SUCCEEDS

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM

A Gas - Wal SUCCEEDS
A Hol - Ruh SUCCEEDS

A MUN supports German A BER *SUPPORT CUT*
F Lyo S F WES-TYS*SUPPORT CUT - UNIT DISLODGED*
F Mar S Lyo *SUPPORT CUT*
F NAf - Tun SUCCEEDS
F Wes -TYS FAILS *1 v 1*

GREATER HANNOVER

A Ber S Mun SUCCEEDS

F Eng C Gas - Wal SUCCEEDS
A Kie S Mun SUCCEEDS
F MAO C Gas - Wal SUCCEEDS

MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION
A Piedmont to Marseilles FAILS *1 v 1*
F Tuscany Supp F Tyr Sea to Lyo SUCCEEDS
F Rome to Tyr Sea FAILS *1 v 1*


TURKEY

F Tys - Lyo SUCCEEDS
F Sev - Bla SUCCEEDS
A Ank - Con FAILS *BOUNCE*
A Ukr - Sev SUCCEEDS





*************
Dear Players,

Thanks to all of you for submitting orders. It is really appreciated considering my GMing gaffs of recent turns.


The Frankish Fleet in the Gulf of Lyon has been dislodged by combined Italian and Turkish Naval power and must retreat to the South Coast of Spain or OTB. Default is Spa (sc) and will be posted in 24 hours unless I hear otherwise Smile


Fall 1904 Orders shall be due next next Tuesday 11th May at 12noon GMT. Please send prelims as I cannot guarantee reminders will be sent.


If any of you are still interested, there now follows a synopsised version of recent events concerning the missed MPC builds. This is attached more for Mike Sims info than anything else Very Happy


Best
D

1)
After receiving various notes concerning Italys NBR, I send out apology for failing to include Italys builds on the map or the email.

I've double-checked and had received no build orders from Italy.


Annoyingly, I had failed to include the adjustments on the email - and also even more annoyingly, I did not include Italy's adjusments on the map. Nor did I send a reminder

2)
Michael sends opinion against awarding builds. My judgment: Apparently partisan but legit. argument.


I vote no on the builds. It will benefit me but it was his responsibility to question your lack of a build. In fact I wrote him an email trying to negotiate a non build in TUN, so he knew he had a build (I can provide that email if you want to see it). I know this serves me but he knew and didn't get it done. Enough said


3)
Dirk says yes to builds!!!

4)
Dirk then says no to builds and accuses Italy and Austria of RL alliance

My judgment: completely contradictory opinion = Discounted Very Happy

5)
Michael continues partisan but legitimate argument


6)
Mike (Numpty) votes in favour of Italys builds.
Apparently partisan. No argument offered.

7)
Vaguely Off-topic discussion between Me, Michael and Dirk for several mails concerning Italy and Austria.


Cool
David votes for builds - cites same reasons as I offered for allowing builds. ie. 'Spirit of Game'

9)
I receive mail from Mike Sims from DipCorps wondering why I am considering allowing the Italy builds


10)
I decide - despite my map errors possibly playing a part in Italys confusion and despite the affect on the game - that MPC will NOT receive the builds: Ultimate & Defining reason: He STILL has not sent any!


In conclusion - there are various reasons already discussed why it could be decided that Italy should or should not have been allowed the builds (Fleets? ;D). I have had to chalk this one up to experience and have duly sacrificed my next game to the Curse of the Flying Dutchman. One thing is for sure. I have decided that:


A) I shall not GM more than one game at a time in the future, if more than one of them is a hand-adjudicated map:- The room for human error is too great and time for corrections is greatly reduced.

B) I shall never again bother asking the players opinions on an in-game issue. Very Happy


The reason that Mike Sims apparently got involved was due to the complaint about Italy / Austria's real-life alliance.

As far as I am aware:
Austria, England & Russia were all drafted into the game from Redscape, whether or not they also already play on DipCorps. Turkey is a personal friend of mine. Germany and Italy both signed up through DipCorps with no apparent redscape connection.


I think this suggests that there is no obvious evidence of RL collusion between Italy and Austria. If anyone knows any different, as both Dirk and Michael seem to assert - I suggest you talk directly to Mike Sims at DipCorps about it. I want no further discussion about it in this game.


Best
Very Happy

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DC301 TTP Deadline Reminder - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 03, 2010, 5:00 am)
Dear Players,

24 hours til the Spring 1904 deadline

Thanks
D

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Italys NBR - Douglas_E_Fresh   (May 01, 2010, 11:32 am)
Dear Players,

There are various arguments raised here. I am personally of the opinion that anything which keeps the game on track and 'in the spirit of the game' should be encouraged.

However, I have had a mail from Mike (GM who runs Diplomatic Corps) and he states that Italy did not submit build orders. End of Story. I personally think this willl have an adverse affect on the game - given the circumstances and I apologise my part in it, but rules as they say are rules.


No builds for Italy this year and the game moves on as is.

Regarding the collusion between players outside the game - This is news to me and I have no reason to suspect any foul play.

Best
D


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com> wrote:

Hey everybody,

I've double-checked and had received no build orders from Italy.

Annoyingly, I had failed to include the adjustments on the email - and also even more annoyingly, I did not include Italy's adjusments on the map. Nor did I send a reminder - I have been snowed under this week - you can probably tell.


I am in a quandry. While it is Italy's responsibility to supply me with orders, I feel I have failed him as a GM, or even worse, misled him by my mistake on the map. The deadline was short and I am concerned that the failure of the build order will affect the game in a completely adverse way.


I am within my rights to either continue the game with no builds, or I can overule the NBR.

If I overule the NBR and allow Italy builds, would you find this acceptable? I'd like a show of hands please. Let me know if you think it is in the best interest of the game to allow Italy a build order, or not, by return mail asap


Thanks & Apologies
D

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Italys NBR - Douglas_E_Fresh   (Apr 30, 2010, 10:51 am)
Hey everybody,

I've double-checked and had received no build orders from Italy.

Annoyingly, I had failed to include the adjustments on the email - and also even more annoyingly, I did not include Italy's adjusments on the map. Nor did I send a reminder - I have been snowed under this week - you can probably tell.


I am in a quandry. While it is Italy's responsibility to supply me with orders, I feel I have failed him as a GM, or even worse, misled him by my mistake on the map. The deadline was short and I am concerned that the failure of the build order will affect the game in a completely adverse way.


I am within my rights to either continue the game with no builds, or I can overule the NBR.

If I overule the NBR and allow Italy builds, would you find this acceptable? I'd like a show of hands please. Let me know if you think it is in the best interest of the game to allow Italy a build order, or not, by return mail asap


Thanks & Apologies
D

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Italys NBR (dc301) Douglas_E_Fresh May 01, 11:32 am
Dear Players,

There are various arguments raised here. I am personally of the opinion that anything which keeps the game on track and 'in the spirit of the game' should be encouraged.

However, I have had a mail from Mike (GM who runs Diplomatic Corps) and he states that Italy did not submit build orders. End of Story. I personally think this willl have an adverse affect on the game - given the circumstances and I apologise my part in it, but rules as they say are rules.


No builds for Italy this year and the game moves on as is.

Regarding the collusion between players outside the game - This is news to me and I have no reason to suspect any foul play.

Best
D


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com> wrote:

Hey everybody,

I've double-checked and had received no build orders from Italy.

Annoyingly, I had failed to include the adjustments on the email - and also even more annoyingly, I did not include Italy's adjusments on the map. Nor did I send a reminder - I have been snowed under this week - you can probably tell.


I am in a quandry. While it is Italy's responsibility to supply me with orders, I feel I have failed him as a GM, or even worse, misled him by my mistake on the map. The deadline was short and I am concerned that the failure of the build order will affect the game in a completely adverse way.


I am within my rights to either continue the game with no builds, or I can overule the NBR.

If I overule the NBR and allow Italy builds, would you find this acceptable? I'd like a show of hands please. Let me know if you think it is in the best interest of the game to allow Italy a build order, or not, by return mail asap


Thanks & Apologies
D
DC301 TTP WINTER 1903 - Douglas_E_Fresh   (Apr 30, 2010, 9:06 am)
Apologies for lengthy wait. Consider it my first NMR Wink
Please find map attached.
Next deadline: Spring 1904 Orders due next Tuesday 12noon GMT

Thanks
D

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