| Italys NBR - Douglas_E_Fresh (Apr 30, 2010, 10:51 am) |
Hey everybody,
I've double-checked and had received no build orders from Italy.
Annoyingly, I had failed to include the adjustments on the email - and also even more annoyingly, I did not include Italy's adjusments on the map. Nor did I send a reminder - I have been snowed under this week - you can probably tell.
I am in a quandry. While it is Italy's responsibility to supply me with orders, I feel I have failed him as a GM, or even worse, misled him by my mistake on the map. The deadline was short and I am concerned that the failure of the build order will affect the game in a completely adverse way.
I am within my rights to either continue the game with no builds, or I can overule the NBR.
If I overule the NBR and allow Italy builds, would you find this acceptable? I'd like a show of hands please. Let me know if you think it is in the best interest of the game to allow Italy a build order, or not, by return mail asap
Thanks & Apologies
D[Reply] |
| Italys NBR (dc301) Douglas_E_Fresh May 01, 11:32 am |
Dear Players,
There are various arguments raised here. I am personally of the opinion that anything which keeps the game on track and 'in the spirit of the game' should be encouraged.
However, I have had a mail from Mike (GM who runs Diplomatic Corps) and he states that Italy did not submit build orders. End of Story. I personally think this willl have an adverse affect on the game - given the circumstances and I apologise my part in it, but rules as they say are rules.
No builds for Italy this year and the game moves on as is.
Regarding the collusion between players outside the game - This is news to me and I have no reason to suspect any foul play.
Best
D
On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 4:51 PM, Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com> wrote:
Hey everybody,
I've double-checked and had received no build orders from Italy.
Annoyingly, I had failed to include the adjustments on the email - and also even more annoyingly, I did not include Italy's adjusments on the map. Nor did I send a reminder - I have been snowed under this week - you can probably tell.
I am in a quandry. While it is Italy's responsibility to supply me with orders, I feel I have failed him as a GM, or even worse, misled him by my mistake on the map. The deadline was short and I am concerned that the failure of the build order will affect the game in a completely adverse way.
I am within my rights to either continue the game with no builds, or I can overule the NBR.
If I overule the NBR and allow Italy builds, would you find this acceptable? I'd like a show of hands please. Let me know if you think it is in the best interest of the game to allow Italy a build order, or not, by return mail asap
Thanks & Apologies
D |
| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torin... - FuzzyLogic (Apr 30, 2010, 10:19 am) |
Re: ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino
"Force disband?" That's kind of a pessimistic way to look at it. Early retirement? Health coverage, full benefits, I'm sure. I can't imagine the Bulgarians would be inhumane.
From: Benjamin Hester [mailto:screwtape777(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 4/30/2010 10:19 AM
To: Nigel PHILLIPS
Subject: Re: ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino
True - Kozani's force disband is the second build. I did not mean to
imply two SCs - sorry
On 4/30/10, Nigel PHILLIPS <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd love to have added 2 supply centres, but I think it is only 1. Second
> build is due to the disbandment of A Kozani
> cheers
> Nigs
>
>[Reply] |
| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torin... - Kenshi777 (Apr 30, 2010, 10:19 am) |
True - Kozani's force disband is the second build. I did not mean to
imply two SCs - sorry
On 4/30/10, Nigel PHILLIPS wrote:
I'd love to have added 2 supply centres, but I think it is only 1. Second
build is due to the disbandment of A Kozani
cheers
Nigs
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:23:08 -0500
> Subject: ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino
> From: screwtape777(at)gmail.com
> To: alevy(at)arubanetworks.com; gbimmerle(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com;
> allen.york(at)cchmc.org; rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net;
> kielmarch(at)hotmail.com
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> dc288(at)diplomaticcorp.com
>
> Torino was the first capital of United Italy, and here in our Balkan
> wars, it is the last Italian home SC to fall before the Greek and
> Austrian forces. Yet the daring Italian partisans survive under the
> fearless leadership of Giuseppe Garibaldi, and continue their raids
> from a new base in Salzburg. Greece and Rumania are our leaders this
> turn, each adding 2 SCs to their totals.
>
> Fighting is fierce across the continent, and despite many dislodges,
> we have no retreats due - the poor armies in question find themselves
> forcibly disbanded. So we proceed straight away into the Winter
> Adjustments, which will be due on Monday 3 MAY 2010, at 1700 EST.
>
> RESULTS:
>
> Italy:
>
> A Salzburg Supports A Trent - Venezia
> F Torino Hold (*Disbanded*)
> A Trent - Venezia (*Fails*)
>
> Austria-Hungary:
>
> A Graz - Trieste
> F Gulf of Venezia Supports F Venezia
> A Pecs - Agram (*Fails*)
> F Venezia Hold
>
> Serbia:
>
> A Agram Supports A Novi Sad (*Cut*)
> A Bitola Supports A Scutari - Tirana (*Cut*)
> F Cetinje - Bay of Kotor (*Fails*)
> A Novi Sad Supports A Agram
> A Sarajevo Supports A Agram
>
> Romania:
>
> A Budapest Supports A Wien
> A Kassa Supports A Wien
> F Salonika Supports A Serres - Kozani
> A Scutari - Tirana (*Fails*)
> F Sea of Marmara - Bursa (*Fails*)
> A Temesvar Supports A Budapest
> A Wien Supports A Budapest
>
> Bulgaria:
>
> F Bursa - Izmir (*Fails*)
> A Edirne - Istanbul
> A Manisa Supports F Bursa - Izmir
> A Plovdiv Supports A Sofia - Serres
> A Serres - Kozani
> A Sofia - Serres
> F Thermaic Gulf Supports A Serres - Kozani
>
> Greece:
>
> A Agrinio Supports A Tirana
> F Bay of Kotor - Cetinje (*Fails*)
> A Bologna - Torino
> F Eastern Mediterranean Supports A Izmir
> F Firenze Supports A Bologna - Torino
> F Gulf of Izmir - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
> A Kozani - Bitola (*Disbanded*)
> F Larisa - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
> F Ligurian Sea Supports A Bologna - Torino
> A Tirana Supports A Kozani - Bitola (*Cut*)
>
> Ottomans:
>
> A Izmir Hold
>
> WINTER ADJUSTMENTS:
>
> Italy: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
> Austria-Hungary: Supp 2 Unit 4 Remove 2
> Serbia: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
> Romania: Supp 9 Unit 7 Build 2
> Bulgaria: Supp 7 Unit 7 Build 0
> Greece: Supp 11 Unit 9 Build 2
> Ottomans: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
>
> Thanks!
> B.
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| DC 312 Winter 1905 adjucation - untitled36 (Apr 30, 2010, 9:12 am) |
No one took issue with the auto-retreats, so they all stand. And I have a feeling these next couple of turns will be very interesting ones!
England:
Build F London
Germany:
Remove A Prussia
Russia:
Remove A Vienna
Remove F Black Sea
Turkey:
Build A Constantinople
Build F Smyrna
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| DC 298 Winter 1916 Adjucation - untitled36 (Apr 30, 2010, 9:09 am) |
Hey all,
England was a no-show again, so I used the Blitz house rules to adjucate his disbands:
Units furthest from the nearest home center before units closer to the nearest home center
Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center if equidistant from home
Fleets before armies if still no unique unit selected per above
Alphabetical
Fortunately I only had to get to #2 to resolve. Remember the FIR and DIAS votes are due with Spring moves.
ADJUCATION:
England:
Remove A Picardy
Remove F Helgoland Bight
France:
Build F Brest
Build A Paris
Russia:
Build A Moscow
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| DC301 TTP WINTER 1903 - Douglas_E_Fresh (Apr 30, 2010, 9:06 am) |
Apologies for lengthy wait. Consider it my first NMR 
Please find map attached.
Next deadline: Spring 1904 Orders due next Tuesday 12noon GMT
Thanks
D[Reply] |
| SV: Dc 315: Fall 1905 Adjudication - bunwarpgazoo (Apr 30, 2010, 8:29 am) |
Hi everybody,
Alan missed a line (A
Tyrolia-Venice) in my orders so the map will change. Maria isn’t sitting
in Venice, I am, and Austria has an army in Tyrolia.
Humberto Rex[Reply] |
| dc308 - Autumn 1903 Results - z93blom (Apr 30, 2010, 5:37 am) |
Gentlemen,
I'm sorry for the late adjudication. My excuse is that I've been in bed with some kind of stomach bug for the last 13 hours, and I'm still not fit for fight. I've therefore changed the next deadline until Monday, so that I can catch up with things.
Russia: Remove A RumaniaF Sweden - Skagerrak
Next turn: Winter 1903 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Monday, 3rd of May, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
Orders due:Austria:
Build 1
Germany:
Build 1
Italy:
Build 1
Russia:
Remove 2
I already have some prelims.
/Fredrik[Reply] |
| dc308 - Autumn 1903 Results (dc308) z93blom May 03, 03:52 pm |
Gentlemen,
We are entering a grace period, and the adjudication will not be done until tomorrow, the standard time. All late parties will be notified.
Next turn: Winter 1903 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Tuesday, 4th of May, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
/Fredrik
2010/4/30 Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se>
Gentlemen,
I'm sorry for the late adjudication. My excuse is that I've been in bed with some kind of stomach bug for the last 13 hours, and I'm still not fit for fight. I've therefore changed the next deadline until Monday, so that I can catch up with things.
Russia: Remove A RumaniaF Sweden - Skagerrak
Next turn: Winter 1903 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Monday, 3rd of May, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
Orders due:Austria:
Build 1
Germany:
Build 1
Italy:
Build 1
Russia:
Remove 2
I already have some prelims.
/Fredrik |
| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torin... - Nigs (Apr 30, 2010, 12:26 am) |
I'd love to have added 2 supply centres, but I think it is only 1. Second build is due to the disbandment of A Kozani
cheers
Nigs[Reply] |
| DC309 Spring 1903 results - mtombu (Apr 29, 2010, 11:46 pm) |
Hey All,
Check for errors. Map and .dpy file are attached. Remember to get me prelims to avoid delays.
Players:
Austria: Phil <ilovethechiefs(at)gmail.com>
England: Andy <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Dan <ddz999cat23(at)yahoo.com>
Germany: Ray <mczet99(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Blue <blueinva(at)cox.net>
Russia: John <untitled36(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Nathan <ndeily(at)yahoo.com>
Orders as received:
Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Bohemia - Silesia
A Bulgaria Supports F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Tyrolia Supports A Vienna - Bohemia
A Vienna - Bohemia
England:
A London - Yorkshire
F North Sea - Norway
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea - Norway
France:
A Spa - Mar
A Par - Bur
A Pic Supp A Par - Bur
F Iri - Lvp
F Yor - Lon
Germany:
F Sweden - Finland
A Berlin - Prussia
A Munich S A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Belgium S A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Kiel S A Munich
F Denmark - Baltic
Italy:
F Eastern Mediterranean Convoys A Greece - Syria
A Greece - Syria
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Greece - Syria
F Naples - Tyrrhenian SeaA Piedmont - Marseilles
Russia:
A Finland - Sweden
A Livonia - Prussia
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden
A Rumania Supports F Sevastopol
F Sevastopol Hold
F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
Turkey:
F Bla -Sev
A Arm S F Bla-SevF Con-Bul
Orders as adjudicated by me and RP:
Austria: F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Bohemia - SilesiaA Bulgaria Supports F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Tyrolia Supports A Vienna - BohemiaA Vienna - Bohemia
England:
A London - Yorkshire (*Fails*)F North Sea - Norway
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea - Norway
France: F Irish Sea - Liverpool
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)A Picardy Supports A Paris - Burgundy
A Spain - Marseilles (*Bounce*)F Yorkshire - London (*Fails*)
Germany:
A Belgium Supports A Ruhr - BurgundyA Berlin - Prussia (*Bounce*)
F Denmark - Baltic SeaA Kiel Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Ruhr - BurgundyA Ruhr - Burgundy
F Sweden - Finland (*Fails*)
Italy: F Eastern Mediterranean Convoys A Greece - Syria
A Greece - SyriaF Ionian Sea Convoys A Greece - Syria
F Naples - Tyrrhenian SeaA Piedmont - Marseilles (*Bounce*)
Russia:
A Finland - Sweden (*Fails*)A Livonia - Prussia (*Bounce*)
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Dislodged*)A Rumania Supports F Sevastopol
F Sevastopol HoldF St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
Turkey:
A Armenia Supports F Black Sea - SevastopolF Black Sea - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
F Constantinople - Bulgaria(sc) (*Dislodged*)
Retreats:The Russian fleet in Norway can retreat to Ska, Bar, StP(nc) or OTB.
The Turkish fleet in Constantinople can retreat to Smy, Ank or OTB.
Deadlines:
Summer 1903 deadline is Friday at 9 pm ET. Let me know if this is too soon.
Fall 1903 deadline is Wednesday May 5th at 9 pm ET.
Best,
Mike[Reply] |
| DC309 Spring 1903 results (dc309) mtombu May 01, 11:59 pm |
Ank and ska are the retreats. I'll send out a proper report tomorrow.
Best,
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On 2010-04-30, at 12:46 AM, mike Tombu <mtombu(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Hey All,
Check for errors. Map and .dpy file are attached. Remember to get me prelims to avoid delays.
Players:
Austria: Phil <ilovethechiefs(at)gmail.com>
England: Andy <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Dan <ddz999cat23(at)yahoo.com>
Germany: Ray <mczet99(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Blue <blueinva(at)cox.net>
Russia: John <untitled36(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Nathan <ndeily(at)yahoo.com>
Orders as received:
Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Bohemia - Silesia
A Bulgaria Supports F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Tyrolia Supports A Vienna - Bohemia
A Vienna - Bohemia
England:
A London - Yorkshire
F North Sea - Norway
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea - Norway
France:
A Spa - Mar
A Par - Bur
A Pic Supp A Par - Bur
F Iri - Lvp
F Yor - Lon
Germany:
F Sweden - Finland
A Berlin - Prussia
A Munich S A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Belgium S A Ruhr - Burgundy
A Kiel S A Munich
F Denmark - Baltic
Italy:
F Eastern Mediterranean Convoys A Greece - Syria
A Greece - Syria
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Greece - Syria
F Naples - Tyrrhenian SeaA Piedmont - Marseilles
Russia:
A Finland - Sweden
A Livonia - Prussia
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden
A Rumania Supports F Sevastopol
F Sevastopol Hold
F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
Turkey:
F Bla -Sev
A Arm S F Bla-SevF Con-Bul
Orders as adjudicated by me and RP:
Austria: F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Bohemia - SilesiaA Bulgaria Supports F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Tyrolia Supports A Vienna - BohemiaA Vienna - Bohemia
England:
A London - Yorkshire (*Fails*)F North Sea - Norway
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea - Norway
France: F Irish Sea - Liverpool
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)A Picardy Supports A Paris - Burgundy
A Spain - Marseilles (*Bounce*)F Yorkshire - London (*Fails*)
Germany:
A Belgium Supports A Ruhr - BurgundyA Berlin - Prussia (*Bounce*)
F Denmark - Baltic SeaA Kiel Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Ruhr - BurgundyA Ruhr - Burgundy
F Sweden - Finland (*Fails*)
Italy: F Eastern Mediterranean Convoys A Greece - Syria
A Greece - SyriaF Ionian Sea Convoys A Greece - Syria
F Naples - Tyrrhenian SeaA Piedmont - Marseilles (*Bounce*)
Russia:
A Finland - Sweden (*Fails*)A Livonia - Prussia (*Bounce*)
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Dislodged*)A Rumania Supports F Sevastopol
F Sevastopol HoldF St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
Turkey:
A Armenia Supports F Black Sea - SevastopolF Black Sea - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
F Constantinople - Bulgaria(sc) (*Dislodged*)
Retreats:The Russian fleet in Norway can retreat to Ska, Bar, StP(nc) or OTB.
The Turkish fleet in Constantinople can retreat to Smy, Ank or OTB.
Deadlines:
Summer 1903 deadline is Friday at 9 pm ET. Let me know if this is too soon.
Fall 1903 deadline is Wednesday May 5th at 9 pm ET.
Best,
Mike
<DC309.dpy><DC309 S03.png> |
| DC313 Fall 1905 Adjudication - untitled36 (Apr 29, 2010, 10:40 pm) |
It's just a flesh wound!
John
> From: sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com
> Subject: DC313 Fall 1905 Adjudication[Reply] |
| DC313 Fall 1905 Adjudication - Samnuva (Apr 29, 2010, 10:25 pm) |
A massively well-orchestrated and coordinated attack on Russia in the Balkans by Turkey and Italy has seized Russia's last two Balkan SCs, but will, alas, not be forcing any disbands for their victim. The two retreats are both John's. I'll Auto his A Bud to Galicia, but I still need an order for A Sevastpol. Assuming no disbands, build quotas are:
Germany Remove 1
Italy Build 2
Russia Build 1
Turkey Build 2
Austria:
A Galicia - Warsaw
England:
F English Channel - North Sea
F London Supports F English Channel - North Sea
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Norwegian Sea Supports F English Channel - North Sea (*Cut*)
France:
A Paris, no move received
Germany:
A Belgium, no move received
A Burgundy, no move received
F Holland, no move received
A Munich, no move received
Italy:
F Brest Hold
A Gascony Supports A Paris
F Marseilles Supports F Western Mediterranean - Spain(sc)
A Trieste Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold
F Western Mediterranean - Spain(sc)
Russia:
A Budapest - Rumania (*Dislodged*)
F Denmark - Kiel
F Norway - Norwegian Sea (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Budapest - Rumania (*Dislodged*)
A Silesia - Berlin
A Sweden - Denmark
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Smyrna
F Albania - Greece
F Black Sea Supports A Rumania - Sevastopol
A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Rumania - Sevastopol
A Serbia Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Vienna - Budapest
-Sam Buck[Reply] |
| DC313 Fall 1905 Adjudication (Winter Blitz) untitled36 Apr 29, 10:40 pm |
It's just a flesh wound!
John
> From: sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com
> Subject: DC313 Fall 1905 Adjudication |
| DC 298 Fall 1916 Adjucation - untitled36 (Apr 29, 2010, 9:59 pm) |
You all apparently want the game to end:
another DIAS and another FIR proposed. Vote with spring moves since apparently I'm not allowed to take votes in the winter...
John
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| DC317; Fall 1905 Results - Jeremiah (Apr 29, 2010, 9:11 pm) |
I am, indeed. My apologies to all.
Jeremiah
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Turkey NMR's. Jeremiah, if you are still with us, please drop me an email.
England's days on the NMR list have come to a close.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Jeremiah Jeremiah Lee dadidea(at)gmail.com
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
F wal, no move received
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - mun (*Fails*)
F cly Hold
F eng - lon (*Bounce*)
A mar - bur
F mao - eng (*Fails*)
A pic Supports F bel
Germany:
A hol - bel (*Fails*)
A kie Supports A mun
A lvn Supports A war - mos
A mun Hold
F nth - lon (*Bounce*)
A nwy - swe (*Bounce*)
F nwg - edi
F stp(sc) Hold
A war - mos (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg Supports F eas - smy
F eas - smy
F ion - tys
A tri Supports A vie
A trl Supports A ven - pie
F tys - lyo
A ven - pie
A vie Supports A trl
Russia:
F bla - ank
A fin - swe (*Bounce*)
A gal - war
A mos Supports A gal - war
A ser - rum
A ukr Supports A mos
Turkey:
F bul(ec), no move received
A con, no move received
A smy, no move received (*Dislodged*)
Retreats:
German A Warsaw can retreat to Silesia, Prussia, or OTB
Turkish A Smyrna can retreat to Syria, Armenia, or OTB
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers ( bel, bre, lvp, lon, mar, par, por, spa.
Units: F bel, A boh, A bur, F cly, F eng, F mao, A pic
Build/Disband: +1
Germany:
Centers (9): ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, stp, swe.
Units: F edi, A hol, A kie, A lvn, A mun, F nth, A nwy, F stp(sc), A ???
Build/Disbands: 0
Italy:
Centers ( gre, nap, rom, smy, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F lyo, A pie, F smy, A tri, A trl, F tys, A vie
Build/Disband: 0
Russia:
Centers (7) ank, bud, mos, rum, ser, sev, war.
Units: F ank, A fin, A mos, A rum, A ukr, A war
Build/Disband: +1
Turkey:
Centers (2) bul, con.
Units: F bul(ec), A con, A ???
Build/Disband: -1
Deadline:
1905 Autumn Retreat and Winter Build/Disband Orders: Friday; April 30, 24:00 Hrs GMT.
Maps of the Orders, Results, and Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
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| DC317; Fall 1905 Results - dipknight (Apr 29, 2010, 9:03 pm) |
GM's remarks:
Turkey NMR's. Jeremiah, if you are still with us, please drop me an email.
England's days on the NMR list have come to a close.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Jeremiah Jeremiah Lee dadidea(at)gmail.com
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
F wal, no move received
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - mun (*Fails*)
F cly Hold
F eng - lon (*Bounce*)
A mar - bur
F mao - eng (*Fails*)
A pic Supports F bel
Germany:
A hol - bel (*Fails*)
A kie Supports A mun
A lvn Supports A war - mos
A mun Hold
F nth - lon (*Bounce*)
A nwy - swe (*Bounce*)
F nwg - edi
F stp(sc) Hold
A war - mos (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg Supports F eas - smy
F eas - smy
F ion - tys
A tri Supports A vie
A trl Supports A ven - pie
F tys - lyo
A ven - pie
A vie Supports A trl
Russia:
F bla - ank
A fin - swe (*Bounce*)
A gal - war
A mos Supports A gal - war
A ser - rum
A ukr Supports A mos
Turkey:
F bul(ec), no move received
A con, no move received
A smy, no move received (*Dislodged*)
Retreats:
German A Warsaw can retreat to Silesia, Prussia, or OTB
Turkish A Smyrna can retreat to Syria, Armenia, or OTB
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers ( bel, bre, lvp, lon, mar, par, por, spa.
Units: F bel, A boh, A bur, F cly, F eng, F mao, A pic
Build/Disband: +1
Germany:
Centers (9): ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, stp, swe.
Units: F edi, A hol, A kie, A lvn, A mun, F nth, A nwy, F stp(sc), A ???
Build/Disbands: 0
Italy:
Centers ( gre, nap, rom, smy, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F lyo, A pie, F smy, A tri, A trl, F tys, A vie
Build/Disband: 0
Russia:
Centers (7) ank, bud, mos, rum, ser, sev, war.
Units: F ank, A fin, A mos, A rum, A ukr, A war
Build/Disband: +1
Turkey:
Centers (2) bul, con.
Units: F bul(ec), A con, A ???
Build/Disband: -1
Deadline:
1905 Autumn Retreat and Winter Build/Disband Orders: Friday; April 30, 24:00 Hrs GMT.
Maps of the Orders, Results, and Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.[Reply] |
| DC317; Fall 1905 Results (Winter Blitz) Jeremiah Apr 29, 09:11 pm |
I am, indeed. My apologies to all.
Jeremiah
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Turkey NMR's. Jeremiah, if you are still with us, please drop me an email.
England's days on the NMR list have come to a close.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Jeremiah Jeremiah Lee dadidea(at)gmail.com
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
F wal, no move received
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - mun (*Fails*)
F cly Hold
F eng - lon (*Bounce*)
A mar - bur
F mao - eng (*Fails*)
A pic Supports F bel
Germany:
A hol - bel (*Fails*)
A kie Supports A mun
A lvn Supports A war - mos
A mun Hold
F nth - lon (*Bounce*)
A nwy - swe (*Bounce*)
F nwg - edi
F stp(sc) Hold
A war - mos (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg Supports F eas - smy
F eas - smy
F ion - tys
A tri Supports A vie
A trl Supports A ven - pie
F tys - lyo
A ven - pie
A vie Supports A trl
Russia:
F bla - ank
A fin - swe (*Bounce*)
A gal - war
A mos Supports A gal - war
A ser - rum
A ukr Supports A mos
Turkey:
F bul(ec), no move received
A con, no move received
A smy, no move received (*Dislodged*)
Retreats:
German A Warsaw can retreat to Silesia, Prussia, or OTB
Turkish A Smyrna can retreat to Syria, Armenia, or OTB
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers ( bel, bre, lvp, lon, mar, par, por, spa.
Units: F bel, A boh, A bur, F cly, F eng, F mao, A pic
Build/Disband: +1
Germany:
Centers (9): ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, stp, swe.
Units: F edi, A hol, A kie, A lvn, A mun, F nth, A nwy, F stp(sc), A ???
Build/Disbands: 0
Italy:
Centers ( gre, nap, rom, smy, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F lyo, A pie, F smy, A tri, A trl, F tys, A vie
Build/Disband: 0
Russia:
Centers (7) ank, bud, mos, rum, ser, sev, war.
Units: F ank, A fin, A mos, A rum, A ukr, A war
Build/Disband: +1
Turkey:
Centers (2) bul, con.
Units: F bul(ec), A con, A ???
Build/Disband: -1
Deadline:
1905 Autumn Retreat and Winter Build/Disband Orders: Friday; April 30, 24:00 Hrs GMT.
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| Dc 315: Fall 1905 Adjudication - AlanRFarrington (Apr 29, 2010, 6:01 pm) |
Hello Everybody,
Yet again we have a boatload of retreats. These are due (with Winter builds) tomorrow. A huge turn for Maria in France, as Italy and Germany take three for the team. Turkey tries to claw itself back from the icy hands of death.
Russian F Constantinople can retreat to Black Sea.
Russian A Livonia can retreat to St Petersburg or Moscow.
German A Munich can retreat to Silesia.
French F Rome can retreat to Tuscany.
Italian F Tunis can retreat to Tyrrhenian Sea or Ionian Sea.
Next
Deadline:
Winter
1905 is due Friday, April 30th at Midnight GMT (7:00pm EST)
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia - Tyrolia (*Fails*)
A Budapest - Serbia
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Serbia (*Cut*)
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Venice (*Void*)
England:
F Baltic Sea Convoys A Kiel - Livonia
A Berlin Supports A Ruhr - Munich
F Denmark - North Sea
A Holland - Kiel
A Kiel - Livonia
F North Sea - Norway
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea - Norway
A Prussia Supports A Kiel - Livonia
F Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
France:
A Burgundy Supports A Ruhr - Munich
F North Africa - Tunis
A Piedmont - Venice
F Rome - Naples (*Dislodged*)
A Ruhr - Munich
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Tunis
Germany:
A Munich Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports A Smyrna - Constantinople
A Greece - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
F Naples Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Rome
F Tunis - Western Mediterranean (*Dislodged*)
A Tyrolia, no move received
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Rome
Russia:
F Barents Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
F Black Sea - Sevastopol
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Dislodged*)
A Livonia Supports A Ukraine - Warsaw (*Dislodged*)
A St Petersburg - Finland
A Ukraine - Warsaw
Turkey:
A Armenia - Ankara
A Smyrna - Constantinople
Status (If all
retreats stay on the board):
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 9 Unit 9 Build 0
France: Supp 9 Unit 6 Build 3
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 1 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 3 Unit 6 Remove 3
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 6 Remove 1
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 2 Build 1
Players:
Austria:
Jonathan Nichol (
jonathan(at)deepsheep.com )
England: Derek Eiler (
derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com )
France: Maria Montes (
MariaMontes1990(at)hotmail.es )
Germany: Joe Payne ( josepayne(at)gmail.com
)
Italy: John Robillard ( john.robillard(at)telia.com )
Russia: Max
Victory ( Maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk )
Turkey: Dale Grantham (
dmg(at)earthlink.net )
See ya Tomorrow,
Alan Farrington
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| DC-322 Fall 825 - TheWhiteWolf (Apr 29, 2010, 5:57 pm) |
Guys, All orders were in on time, thanks. We had a couple minor altercations but no retreats, so let's sail on to the next sackable town. Yarr! *cough* I mean, let's do the winter turn.
Players:
Anglos Steve "BD" Emmert <steve.emmert(at)cox.net>Bretons Darren McAdam-OConnell <dmcaoc(at)gmail.com>Scots Mike Morris <mikemorris101(at)yahoo.com>Danes Frank Bielschowsky <bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com>Gaels Scott "Packrat" Troemel <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>Norse Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>Swedes Chris "DQ" Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com>
Orders:
Gaels: F Isle of Man - LancasterF Manx Sea HoldA Ulster - Isle of Man
Scots: F Bernicia - Firth of ForthA Dal Riada HoldF Moray Firth - Zetland
Bretons: F Bristol Channel - CornwallA Hwicce - SurreyA Powys - Mercia
Norse: F Norwegian Sea - TrondelagF Skagerrak - Lindholm (*Bounce*)A Vestfold - Alvheim
AngloSaxons: F English Channel - AustrasiaA Sussex - HamptonshireF The Wash - Deira
Danes: F Kattegat - Lindholm (*Bounce*)F North Frisian Coast - FrisiaA Saxony - Reric (*Bounce*)
Swedes: F Baltic Sea - Reric (*Bounce*)A Gotar - SkaneA Jamtland - Varmland
Disposition (Units/SCs):
Gaels: (5/3) - Build 2Armies - IomFleets - Lan, Mxs
Scots: (5/3) - Build 2Armies - DalFleets - Fof, Set
Bretons: (5/3) - Build 2Armies - Mer, SurFleets
- Cor
Norse: (5/3) - Build 2Armies - AlvFleets - Skg, Tro
AngloSaxons: (5/3) - Build 2Armies - HamFleets - Aus, Dei
Danes: (4/3) - Build 1Armies - SaxFleets - Fri, Kat
Swedes: (5/3) - Build 2Armies - Skn, VarFleets - Bal
Deadline:Winter 825 is due Monday, 3 May at 6pm EDT (10pm GMT).
Any questions or complaints, bring them to my
attention as soon as possible.Maps and RealPolitik file are attached.
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| dc-316 fall 1905 results! - coryfucius (Apr 29, 2010, 5:40 pm) |
The French Revolution must be back on, as we have another NMR from France... thus allowing England to gain Belgium and retain control of the undefended Liverpool. Germany manages to avoid a removal, as the black army picks up Marseilles to offset the loss of Sweden to Russia. His gain may be short-lived, however, as Italy sends most of its navy sailing westward. Russia gains Constantinople, and Italy backfills the vacated Bulgaria with a support to overcome Russia's unsupported move from Rumania.
There is one autumn retreat, but the French army in Belgium can only go to Picardy, so I'll go ahead and order that retreat. Yes, that army could be retreated OTB, but France would still have a removal due anyway. Matthew, if you do want to retreat OTB instead, please let me know right away, so I can update the autumn results.
Winter 1905 adjustments, due tomorrow, Friday 4/30 at 3pm Central (US) / 21:00 GMT, will be as follows:
England: build 1
France: remove 2
Italy: build 1
Russia: build 2
Turkey: remove 1
Thanks, everyone!
Cory
-----
Fall 1905 results:
England:
F Edinburgh - Clyde
A Holland Supports F North Sea - Belgium
F North Sea - Belgium
F Norway Supports F Sweden
F Wales - London
France: (NMR, GM orders Hold)
A Belgium Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Burgundy Hold
F English Channel Hold
A Gascony Hold
F Irish Sea Hold
F North Atlantic Ocean Hold
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Berlin
A Denmark - Kiel
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden (*Fails*)
A Marseilles Hold
Italy:
A Greece - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
A Piedmont - Marseilles (*Fails*)
A Serbia Supports A Greece - Bulgaria
F Smyrna Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople
F Tunis - Western Mediterranean
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tuscany
Russia:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
A Munich - Burgundy (*Fails*)
A Ruhr Supports F North Sea - Belgium
A Rumania - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg Supports F Norway
F Sweden Hold
Turkey:
A Ankara Supports F Smyrna - Constantinople (*Void*)
A Armenia - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
-----
Autumn 1905 retreat:
France:
A Belgium - Picardy[Reply] |
| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torin... - Kenshi777 (Apr 29, 2010, 5:23 pm) |
Torino was the first capital of United Italy, and here in our Balkan
wars, it is the last Italian home SC to fall before the Greek and
Austrian forces. Yet the daring Italian partisans survive under the
fearless leadership of Giuseppe Garibaldi, and continue their raids
from a new base in Salzburg. Greece and Rumania are our leaders this
turn, each adding 2 SCs to their totals.
Fighting is fierce across the continent, and despite many dislodges,
we have no retreats due - the poor armies in question find themselves
forcibly disbanded. So we proceed straight away into the Winter
Adjustments, which will be due on Monday 3 MAY 2010, at 1700 EST.
RESULTS:
Italy:
A Salzburg Supports A Trent - Venezia
F Torino Hold (*Disbanded*)
A Trent - Venezia (*Fails*)
Austria-Hungary:
A Graz - Trieste
F Gulf of Venezia Supports F Venezia
A Pecs - Agram (*Fails*)
F Venezia Hold
Serbia:
A Agram Supports A Novi Sad (*Cut*)
A Bitola Supports A Scutari - Tirana (*Cut*)
F Cetinje - Bay of Kotor (*Fails*)
A Novi Sad Supports A Agram
A Sarajevo Supports A Agram
Romania:
A Budapest Supports A Wien
A Kassa Supports A Wien
F Salonika Supports A Serres - Kozani
A Scutari - Tirana (*Fails*)
F Sea of Marmara - Bursa (*Fails*)
A Temesvar Supports A Budapest
A Wien Supports A Budapest
Bulgaria:
F Bursa - Izmir (*Fails*)
A Edirne - Istanbul
A Manisa Supports F Bursa - Izmir
A Plovdiv Supports A Sofia - Serres
A Serres - Kozani
A Sofia - Serres
F Thermaic Gulf Supports A Serres - Kozani
Greece:
A Agrinio Supports A Tirana
F Bay of Kotor - Cetinje (*Fails*)
A Bologna - Torino
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports A Izmir
F Firenze Supports A Bologna - Torino
F Gulf of Izmir - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
A Kozani - Bitola (*Disbanded*)
F Larisa - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
F Ligurian Sea Supports A Bologna - Torino
A Tirana Supports A Kozani - Bitola (*Cut*)
Ottomans:
A Izmir Hold
WINTER ADJUSTMENTS:
Italy: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
Austria-Hungary: Supp 2 Unit 4 Remove 2
Serbia: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Romania: Supp 9 Unit 7 Build 2
Bulgaria: Supp 7 Unit 7 Build 0
Greece: Supp 11 Unit 9 Build 2
Ottomans: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
Thanks!
B.
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| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino (dc288) Nigs Apr 30, 12:26 am |
I'd love to have added 2 supply centres, but I think it is only 1. Second build is due to the disbandment of A Kozani
cheers
Nigs |
| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino (dc288) Kenshi777 Apr 30, 10:19 am |
True - Kozani's force disband is the second build. I did not mean to
imply two SCs - sorry
On 4/30/10, Nigel PHILLIPS wrote:
I'd love to have added 2 supply centres, but I think it is only 1. Second
build is due to the disbandment of A Kozani
cheers
Nigs
> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 17:23:08 -0500
> Subject: ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino
> From: screwtape777(at)gmail.com
> To: alevy(at)arubanetworks.com; gbimmerle(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com;
> allen.york(at)cchmc.org; rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net;
> kielmarch(at)hotmail.com
> CC: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; kelly058(at)verizon.net; ACD-Games(at)yahoogroups.com;
> dc288(at)diplomaticcorp.com
>
> Torino was the first capital of United Italy, and here in our Balkan
> wars, it is the last Italian home SC to fall before the Greek and
> Austrian forces. Yet the daring Italian partisans survive under the
> fearless leadership of Giuseppe Garibaldi, and continue their raids
> from a new base in Salzburg. Greece and Rumania are our leaders this
> turn, each adding 2 SCs to their totals.
>
> Fighting is fierce across the continent, and despite many dislodges,
> we have no retreats due - the poor armies in question find themselves
> forcibly disbanded. So we proceed straight away into the Winter
> Adjustments, which will be due on Monday 3 MAY 2010, at 1700 EST.
>
> RESULTS:
>
> Italy:
>
> A Salzburg Supports A Trent - Venezia
> F Torino Hold (*Disbanded*)
> A Trent - Venezia (*Fails*)
>
> Austria-Hungary:
>
> A Graz - Trieste
> F Gulf of Venezia Supports F Venezia
> A Pecs - Agram (*Fails*)
> F Venezia Hold
>
> Serbia:
>
> A Agram Supports A Novi Sad (*Cut*)
> A Bitola Supports A Scutari - Tirana (*Cut*)
> F Cetinje - Bay of Kotor (*Fails*)
> A Novi Sad Supports A Agram
> A Sarajevo Supports A Agram
>
> Romania:
>
> A Budapest Supports A Wien
> A Kassa Supports A Wien
> F Salonika Supports A Serres - Kozani
> A Scutari - Tirana (*Fails*)
> F Sea of Marmara - Bursa (*Fails*)
> A Temesvar Supports A Budapest
> A Wien Supports A Budapest
>
> Bulgaria:
>
> F Bursa - Izmir (*Fails*)
> A Edirne - Istanbul
> A Manisa Supports F Bursa - Izmir
> A Plovdiv Supports A Sofia - Serres
> A Serres - Kozani
> A Sofia - Serres
> F Thermaic Gulf Supports A Serres - Kozani
>
> Greece:
>
> A Agrinio Supports A Tirana
> F Bay of Kotor - Cetinje (*Fails*)
> A Bologna - Torino
> F Eastern Mediterranean Supports A Izmir
> F Firenze Supports A Bologna - Torino
> F Gulf of Izmir - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
> A Kozani - Bitola (*Disbanded*)
> F Larisa - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
> F Ligurian Sea Supports A Bologna - Torino
> A Tirana Supports A Kozani - Bitola (*Cut*)
>
> Ottomans:
>
> A Izmir Hold
>
> WINTER ADJUSTMENTS:
>
> Italy: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
> Austria-Hungary: Supp 2 Unit 4 Remove 2
> Serbia: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
> Romania: Supp 9 Unit 7 Build 2
> Bulgaria: Supp 7 Unit 7 Build 0
> Greece: Supp 11 Unit 9 Build 2
> Ottomans: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
>
> Thanks!
> B.
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| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino (dc288) FuzzyLogic Apr 30, 10:19 am |
Re: ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino
"Force disband?" That's kind of a pessimistic way to look at it. Early retirement? Health coverage, full benefits, I'm sure. I can't imagine the Bulgarians would be inhumane.
From: Benjamin Hester [mailto:screwtape777(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 4/30/2010 10:19 AM
To: Nigel PHILLIPS
Subject: Re: ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino
True - Kozani's force disband is the second build. I did not mean to
imply two SCs - sorry
On 4/30/10, Nigel PHILLIPS <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd love to have added 2 supply centres, but I think it is only 1. Second
> build is due to the disbandment of A Kozani
> cheers
> Nigs
>
> |
| ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino (dc288) Nigs Apr 30, 12:16 pm |
The Geeks found it too Kozi, but are ready to RumBul with whoever
Sent from my iPhone
On 30 Apr 2010, at 16:19, "Michael Sims" <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net> wrote:
"Force disband?" That's kind of a pessimistic way to look at it. Early retirement? Health coverage, full benefits, I'm sure. I can't imagine the Bulgarians would be inhumane.
From: Benjamin Hester [mailto:screwtape777(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Fri 4/30/2010 10:19 AM
To: Nigel PHILLIPS
Subject: Re: ACD236/DC288: Balkans1860 Fall 1865 Results: Torino
True - Kozani's force disband is the second build. I did not mean to
imply two SCs - sorry
On 4/30/10, Nigel PHILLIPS <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd love to have added 2 supply centres, but I think it is only 1. Second
> build is due to the disbandment of A Kozani
> cheers
> Nigs
>
> |
| Dc302 Fall reminder - psychosis1973 (Apr 29, 2010, 5:22 pm) |
Moves due in less than 24 hours! Still waiting for a few!
.[Reply] |
| DC 306: Sengoku Rev6DP - Fall 1572: Hojo Ujiyasu - Kenshi777 (Apr 29, 2010, 5:02 pm) |
Hojo Ujiyasu was the third daimyo of the Sengoku-era Hojo clan that
began with Ise Shinkuro, who took the name Hojo Soun. From humble
beginnings in Izu province, the Hojo greatly expanded their holdings,
and succeeded in bringing nearly the entire Kanto region under their
sway for over 70 years. Only the legendary Toyotomi Hideyoshi, at the
head of a 200,000 man army, was able to remove the Hojo from power and
unify Japan under his control.
Our Hojo player has achieved all the glory of his historical
counterpart and more. Surging ahead to 7 SCs, largely at Oda's
expense, Hojo is now tied with Mori for second place in our game, and
each only one SC behind our leader, Chosokabe Motochika.
Sadly, Takeda's attempt to seize Hida fails, and we bid farewell to
our first player. Nathan, thanks for sticking this one out, I think
the map is largely to blame for your misfortune, and will be revised
accordingly.
***TEAHOUSE COMMENTARY: Satomi Yoshihiro trembles in Hitachi, and
offers grateful prayers as the hooves of Hojo and Uesugi cavalry drive
west. Mighty Shingen of Takeda is driven into exile, and watches to
see the fate of his rivals. The Yamana clan of Inaba are driven from
their home, the latest of many ancient clans that find ruin in the
Sengoku-Jidai.
***HAIKU!!!
Men are your castles
Men are your right to rule
Show them your respect
All honor seems lost
for traitorous daimyo
strangers to the truth
***PLAYERS:
Shimazu Yoshihisa - Isaac Zinner
Mori Motonari - Jim Atkins
Chosokabe Motochika - Jean-Luc Lefebvre
Asakura Yoshikage - Garry Bledsoe
Oda Nobunaga - Joe Babinsack
Takeda Shingen - Nathan Deily (*eliminated 1572*)
Uesugi Kenshin - Fredrik Blom
Hojo Ujiyasu - Michael Thompson
***RETREATS DUE:
Oda A South Shinano can retreat to Suruga or OTB.
Oda A Totomi can retreat to Mikawa or OTB.
Asakura A Yamato can retreat to Settsu, Shima, or OTB.
***NEXT DEADLINE:
Autumn 1572 Retreats will be due no later than 1700 EST Monday, 3 MAY
2010. Winter Adjustments will be due no later than 1700 EST Thursday,
6 May 2010.
***ORDERS:
Shimazu:
F Iwami Coast - Nagato
F Osumi - Satsuma
Mori:
F Chikuzen - Kanmon Strait
A Hizen Hold
A Hoki Supports F Sanin Coast - Inaba
F Izumo - Iwami
F Nagato - Iwami
F Sanin Coast - Inaba
Chosokabe:
A Harima - Tango
A Higo - Satsuma
F Hyuga - Osumi
F Kii Straits - Kumano Sea
F Osaka Bay - Yamato
F Shuri Straits Supports A Higo - Satsuma
Asakura:
F Kaga Hold
A Omi - Mino
A Settsu - Yamashiro
F Tango Supports F Wakasa Bay - Sanin Coast
F Wakasa Bay - Sanin Coast
A Yamato Supports A Harima - Kii
Oda:
A Ise - Kii
F Kumano Sea Convoys A Ise - Kii
A Mino Supports A South Shinano - Hida
A South Shinano - Hida
A Totomi - South Shinano
Uesugi:
A Echigo Supports A North Shinano
F North Sea of Japan Supports F Noto
A North Shinano Supports A Kai - South Shinano
F Noto Hold
Takeda:
A Etchu - Kaga
Hojo:
A Kai - South Shinano
A Musashi - Kai
F Sagami Bay Supports F Suruga - Totomi
F Suruga - Totomi
Neutral:
A Hida Hold
A Hitachi Hold
A Inaba Supports F Tango Holds
A Kii Supports F Osaka Bay - Yamato
RESULTS:
Shimazu:
F Iwami Coast - Nagato (*Fails*)
F Osumi - Satsuma (*Fails*)
Mori:
F Chikuzen - Kanmon Strait
A Hizen Hold
A Hoki Supports F Sanin Coast - Inaba
F Izumo - Iwami (*Bounce*)
F Nagato - Iwami (*Bounce*)
F Sanin Coast - Inaba
Chosokabe:
A Harima - Tango (*Fails*)
A Higo - Satsuma
F Hyuga - Osumi (*Fails*)
F Kii Straits - Kumano Sea (*Fails*)
F Osaka Bay - Yamato
F Shuri Straits Supports A Higo - Satsuma
Asakura:
F Kaga Hold
A Omi - Mino (*Fails*)
A Settsu - Yamashiro
F Tango Supports F Wakasa Bay - Sanin Coast (*Cut*)
F Wakasa Bay - Sanin Coast
A Yamato Supports A Harima - Kii (*Dislodged*)
Oda:
A Ise - Kii (*Fails*)
F Kumano Sea Convoys A Ise - Kii (*Void*)
A Mino Supports A South Shinano - Hida (*Cut*)
A South Shinano - Hida (*Dislodged*)
A Totomi - South Shinano (*Dislodged*)
Uesugi:
A Echigo Supports A North Shinano
F North Sea of Japan Supports F Noto
A North Shinano Supports A Kai - South Shinano
F Noto Hold
Takeda:
A Etchu - Kaga (*Fails*)
Hojo:
A Kai - South Shinano
A Musashi - Kai
F Sagami Bay Supports F Suruga - Totomi
F Suruga - Totomi
Neutral:
A Hida Hold
A Hitachi Hold
A Inaba Supports F Tango Holds (*Dislodged, Disbanded*)
A Kii Supports F Osaka Bay - Yamato
WINTER ADJUSTMENTS:
Shimazu: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
Mori: Supp 7 Unit 6 Build 1
Chosokabe: Supp 8 Unit 6 Build 2
Asakura: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1 (or 0 pending retreats)
Oda: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0 (or remove 2 pending retreats)
Uesugi: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2
Takeda: Supp 0 Unit 1 Remove 1
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| DC287 - Fall 2003 reminder - Viper (Apr 29, 2010, 4:59 pm) |
Hey all, let's get those orders coming in. They are due tomorrow, in about 20 hours. If they're not in tomorrow, I won't get to them in over a week.
mvp[Reply] |
| YOUNGSTOWN ANYONE? - sgttodd (Apr 29, 2010, 2:31 pm) |
If you don't have anyone else by the time I get home Sunday night (5/1) - I'll run it.
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|First we have to find a GM then... anyone want to run a Youngstown? I know there is a nice new map of it, see dc154. Totally cleaned up the ugly look of the original Youngstown and made it quite nice.
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| YOUNGSTOWN ANYONE? (Variants) dknemeyer May 06, 02:24 pm |
| Why is Youngstown such a popular variant? I'm not suggesting it shouldn't be, but it seems to rank up there as one of a handful of variants people talk about a lot and show interest in. Is it the colonial nature of it? The fact it accommodates a lot more players? Or...? Just trying to catch the fever. |
| YOUNGSTOWN ANYONE? (Variants) Kenshi777 May 06, 02:46 pm |
Not one of my favorites by a long shot, and I suspect not really the
most popular as the DipWiki claims either.
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Why is Youngstown such a popular variant? I'm not suggesting it shouldn't
be, but it seems to rank up there as one of a handful of variants people
talk about a lot and show interest in. Is it the colonial nature of it? The
fact it accommodates a lot more players? Or...? Just trying to catch the
fever.
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| Youngstown Anyone? (Variants) FuzzyLogic May 07, 11:36 am |
Wow.
The Youngstown game is the most popular of the many Diplomacy variants.
That's quite a statement. I'd like to know where the writer of that article came up w that. It's certainly not as popular (2 games) as say Ancient Med (6 games) or Colonial (8 games) in terms of activity here at dc.
The original Youngstown variant was pretty pathetic. The rendering for Realpolitik was choppy, with hard to understand off-board locations. A couple years back tho it was redone, and the new one is actually quite nice. I would say it's really good since the redo.
In my opinion, the desire for it comes from the two most popular games, Standard and Colonial. It simply bridges the gap between the two. |
| Youngstown Anyone? (Variants) Kenshi777 May 07, 01:54 pm |
i should probably shut my mouth right now so as not to be perceived as
arrogant or offensive
but i can't
so...
Youngstown was okay - for its time. The variant design community has
come a long way since then however. The explosion of online groups in
the late 90s caused a sort of rebirth of the Diplomacy hobby, and
dramatically increased the opportunities for variant designers to
collaborate and refine their games.
Even the name Youngstown reflects this trend. The variant was
designed by a Dip community in Ohio that at the time still primarily
played face-to-face. Today, Diplomacy variants are subjected to a
truly global court of public opinion, one that expects much higher
standards of balance and aesthetics out of a variant. And rightly so.
Nothing is more annoying than drawing France in Colonial and knowing
the odds of even scraping out a survival are against you, or trying to
make sense of
Youngstown's off-board regions while looking at the unusual blob that
is supposed to represent Asia.
I have many fond memories of working with Don Hessong to playtest his
early versions of Ancient Med, and working with David Cohen to refine
Sengoku back in 2000. Out of these early partnerships, the DVWorkshop
was born, and though that group has certainly passed its heyday in
favor of gaming community groups like this one, the current group of
successful variant designers still collaborate extensively. Case in
point - Oliver Auth's recent coding of SengokuRev5 and South American
Supremacy for webDiplomacy, and Mario Huys' and Manus Hand's coding of
Sengoku Rev5 for the DPjudge. During those processes, all of them
contributed valuable advice obtained through playtesting.
I don't claim to be the authoritative voice in variant design, or that
mine are the best around. In fact, my favorite variants *aren't* my
own. Those honors go to Ancient Med, with up-and-coming variants like
Known World 901 and WW2-1931 deserving honorable mention. Nor do I
mean to be overly critical of Youngstown - just saying it needs a
facelift, and to be subjected to the same painful process of playtest
and revision that say, Ancient Med (finalized on Version 9) did.
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Wow.
The Youngstown game is the most popular of the many Diplomacy variants.
That's quite a statement. I'd like to know where the writer of that article
came up w that. It's certainly not as popular (2 games) as say Ancient Med
(6 games) or Colonial (8 games) in terms of activity here at dc.
The original Youngstown variant was pretty pathetic. The rendering for
Realpolitik was choppy, with hard to understand off-board locations. A
couple years back tho it was redone, and the new one is actually quite nice.
I would say it's really good since the redo.
In my opinion, the desire for it comes from the two most popular games,
Standard and Colonial. It simply bridges the gap between the two.
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| dc311 Fall '05 Results - notasb (Apr 29, 2010, 2:25 pm) |
Austria - Bruce Ray
England - Daniel Dzikowicz
France - Nick Powell
Germany - Dirk Knemeyer
Italy - Jason K
Russia - Paul Russell
Turkey - Hamish Williams
Map:
http://home.comcast.net/~dawench/311/31105Fall.gif
Deadline:
Winter '05 is due Friday April 30th 2 PM CDST (GMT -5) 1900 GMT
Orders and Results:
Austria:
A Bohemia - Galicia (*Fails*)
A Budapest Supports A Rumania
A Greece - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
A Rumania Supports A Greece - Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Serbia Supports A Greece - Bulgaria
A Tyrolia - Munich (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
A Ukraine - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports F St Petersburg(sc)
F Brest Supports A Picardy
F English Channel Supports F Brest
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Gascony (*Fails*)
A Picardy Supports A Burgundy - Paris
F Portugal - Spain(sc) (*Fails*)
F Wales - Irish Sea
France:
A Gascony - Marseilles (*Bounce*)
A Paris Supports Having a spine (*Disbanded*)
A Spain - Marseilles (*Bounce*)
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
Germany:
A Burgundy - Paris
A Kiel Supports A Munich
A Munich Hold
A Prussia - Livonia
A Silesia - Galicia
F St Petersburg(sc) Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia - Galicia
Russia:
A Moscow - Ukraine (*Fails*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria Supports A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Cut*)
F North Africa - Tunis (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
F Smyrna - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
Forced Disband:
French A Paris has no retreats, disbanded.
Bulds Due:
England: 8 / 7 Build 1
Germany: 8 / 7 Build 1
No Adjustments Due:
Austria: 9 / 9
France: 3 / 3
Russia: 1 / 1
Turkey: 5 / 5
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| dc224 Fall 18 Results - Chapter 36: EGP Frenzy Cla... - offdisc (Apr 29, 2010, 12:42 pm) |
Mike,
I voted YES to the 3 draws that included the Ogres. I also said I'd
vote for the DIAS I proposed. We'll see if everyone else complies.
Mike
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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Michael Sims wrote:
Hey, I was clear to all who inquired that I was voting for the 4 Rogue ones!
I will continue to vote yes on any that include the Rogues, and no to any
that don't. If at some point one passes, that's great. Is there any combo
that all would agree to? I guess it's up to you Mike, with a third of the
centers on the map, it really depends if you're willing to concede to a draw
or if you'd like to press on.
The Roguish One
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From: Garry Bledsoe [mailto:kielmarch(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Thu 4/29/2010 10:41 AM
Subject: dc224 Fall 18 Results - Chapter 36: EGP Frenzy Clarification!
I was asked to clarify which EGP's were voted down. They were:
Rogues/Ogres
Rogues/Ogres/Trolls
Rogues/Faeries
Rogues/Faeries/Pirates
Pirates/Faeries
Pirates/Ogres
There was NO DIAS proposal up for voting in that last round. There is one up
for voting for Spring 19.
A simple reminder: I count as final the last set of orders AND votes
received to me at adjudication.
Garry
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Subject: dc224 Fall 18 Results - Chapter 36: EGP Frenzy!
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:53:01 -0400
All EGP's Fail! But Don't Worry, Chapter 37 is Sure to Have Some New Ones!
Pirates Look for a New Foe?
Ogres Get Pushed Back? Nonetheless They Taunt the Troll Fleet That They
Destroy!
What Next? Does An Upcoming Chapter Hold Peace for the Races? This GM Doubts
It!
The ELVES Make a Rare Appearance to Get an EGP Inclusion?
All,
Lots of work here. I apologize for the delay but there were many things to
check on this one (darn voting on EGPs!). Here we go though.
First - our EGP's ALL fail. But worry not! We have new ones:
DIAS
R/F/T/O
R/F/T/P/U
R/F/T/P/U/E
Yes! The Elves has come out of the forest long enough to make an appearance
for a draw. As the Elven king, I would like to publicly vote YES to that
draw (sorry Ogres!). Yes, that EGP was for real; I know I have been
entertaining but not even I would bend my GM powers that far...BUT I would
bend them that far to give me a draw if it passes!!!!
Votes on these are due with our Spring orders which will be due by next
Thursday the 6th at 6pm CST.
But, before we get there, we have Fall business to attend to. There were two
retreats and both had only one option - F Razor's Edge could retreat to
Kara-Tur and F The Maw could retreat to Knockshegowna. Each of these were
auto-retreated. Mike has the option of going OTB with each of these if
desired (but unlikely given that this game does not have Chaos builds).
That moves us to Winter where we have the following adjustments (unless Mike
chooses to retreat either or both OTB):
Faeries: Supp 15 (Blocked 0) Unit 15 Build 0
Ogres: Supp 33 (Blocked 0) Unit 33 Build 0
Pirates: Supp 10 (Blocked 1) Unit 9 Build 1
Rogues: Supp 21 (Blocked 0) Unit 21 Build 0
Trolls: Supp 15 (Blocked 1) Unit 13 Build 2
Undead: Supp 8 (Blocked 2) Unit 5 Build 1
Naturally the Ogres could build 2 if they choose 2 OTB retreats.
Let's have Winter adjustments by Friday the 30th at 6pm CST. Votes are not
due until the next Spring (and would not take effect until then so PLEASE
also submit Spring 19 orders).
Fight on Storytime Creatures! AND DON'T FORGET TO VOTE FOR THE ELVEN DRAW!!!
A Hopelessly Hopeful Elven King Who Is Relegated to Being Your Humble
Narrator,
Garry
Faeries:
A Llyr Supports A Critter Country - Loxley (MISORDER)
A Loxley - Elephant Graveyard
F Hundred Acre Wood Supports A Loxley - Elephant Graveyard
A Ivory Tower Supports F Myth Drannor
F Myth Drannor Supports F CHURNING REACH - RAZORS EDGE
F Elephant Graveyard - Groves of Academe
A Starkadh Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Eridu Supports A Starkadh
A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns (*Fails*)
A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
F CHURNING REACH - RAZORS EDGE
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - CHURNING REACH
F EAST MIRIANIC OCEAN Supports F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - CHURNING REACH
F RUGGED COAST Supports F RIFT CANYON
F RIFT CANYON Supports F CHURNING REACH - RAZORS EDGE (*Cut*)
Ogres:
A Mount Nimro Hold
A Carpantha Supports A Mount Nimro
A Undermountain - Diamond Mines (*Fails*)
A Mordor Supports A Rohan
A Rohan Supports A Lindon
A Lindon Holds and throws rocks at Babel Beach
A Fjord Holds and flips Babel Beach "the Bird"
A Baldurs Gate Supports A Yuirwood
A Faerun - Adder
F Fafhrd - Great Steppes
F Enchanted Isles Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - BABEL BEACH
F Great Glacier Supports F RAZORS EDGE (*Ordered to Move*)
A Zhentil Keep Supports F Great Glacier - Pwyll (*Void*)
A Merrow Supports F THUNDERHEAD - Necronomicon
A Golgafrincham Holds and lifts their kilts at Babel Beach
A Yuirwood Supports A Baldurs Gate
A Dragon Coast Supports F RIVER OF THE DAWN - Great Glacier (*Fails*)
A Pwyll - Thra
A Khaz Modan Supports A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre
A Hidden Grotto Supports A Yggdrasil
A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
A Yggdrasil Supports A Hidden Grotto
A Twisted Tunnels - Hoarluk
A Hollow Earth Supports A Mount Nimro
F WAY THE HECK - BIKINI BOTTOM
F BIKINI BOTTOM - BABEL BEACH
F THE MAW Supports F WAY THE HECK - BIKINI BOTTOM (*Dislodged*)
F THUNDERHEAD - Necronomicon
F RAZORS EDGE - Myth Drannor (*Dislodged*)
F RIVER OF THE DAWN - Great Glacier (*Fails*)
F ROARING RAPIDS - RIVER OF THE DAWN (*Fails*)
F SOUTH RAINBOW LAKE - THUNDERHEAD (*Bounce*)
F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling
Pirates:
F Fantastica - Endor (*Bounce*)
A Pans Labyrinth - Rivendell
F Travers Town - RIFT CANYON (*Fails*)
A Neverpeak Mtn - Critter Country
A Duloc - Endor (*Bounce*)
A Avalon - Drynwyn
F GRIEF REEF - Riku
F RESTLESS WATERS Supports F Travers Town - RIFT CANYON
F PIRATE SHOALS - Travers Town (*Fails*)
Rogues:
F Ergoth - WEST SEA OF SHADOWS
F To-Gai-Ru - Timberlands
F Dargaard Keep Supports F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS
F Cathal Hold
A Ice Reach Hold
A Immoren - Tumnus
A Cave of Ordeals Supports A Newa River
A Darken Wood Hold
A Walk of Clouds - To-Gai-Ru
A Palmaris Supports F To-Gai-Ru - Timberlands
F Timberlands - Istar
A River Saeren Supports A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns
A Tymwyvenne Supports A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre
F CRYSTAL LAKE - Aslan
F SUNLESS SEA - Orboros
F TILVA STRAIT - Walk of Clouds
F THON THALAS - HIGH SEAS (*Fails*)
F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS Supports F Timberlands - Istar
F SAVAGE SEA - THUNDERHEAD (*Bounce*)
F ALL SAINTS BAY - SAVAGE SEA (*Fails*)
F ZEBOIMS DEEP Supports F ALL SAINTS BAY - SAVAGE SEA (*Fails*)
Trolls:
F Khemri Supports A Newa River
A Newa River Hold
A Sorrows End Supports A Cave of Ordeals
F Ansalon Hold
F Never Never Land - WAY THE HECK
A Gwynir Hold
A Sleepy Hollow - Gwynir (*Fails*)
A Sables Swamp Hold
F Necronomicon - THE MAW
F Ithin'Carthia(wc) Supports F Never Never Land - WAY THE HECK
F The High Way - SEA OF FALLEN STARS
F HIGH SEAS Supports F Never Never Land - WAY THE HECK (*Cut*)
F RIVER STYX Supports F Necronomicon - THE MAW
F BABEL BEACH - BIKINI BOTTOM (*Disbanded*)
Undead:
F Skullcap - Uhl Belk
F Everglot Supports A Skellington
A Skellington Supports F Skullcap - Uhl Belk
A The Old Gristmill Supports F Terabithia
F Terabithia Supports A The Old Gristmill
F Istar - Timberlands (*Disbanded*)
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