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Just a thought - since you are getting a replacement why not let him/her
decide what to do with the army in Kiel?  It can retreat to DEN.  One
thing I've noticed with RP is that if you don't enter moves for a country
RP automatically disbands dislodged units.  And since Germany isn't CD'd
then the new German player should be allowed to retreat the unit.


From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Thomas Curran <forgodandglory(at)yahoo.com ([email]forgodandglory(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; DC239 Forum <dc239(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc239(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Tim Fuhrmeister <timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com ([email]timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com ([email]dipknight(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Andrew Jameson <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; John Reside <Untitled36(at)yahoo.com ([email]Untitled36(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Matthew Strebe <strebenator(at)gmail.com ([email]strebenator(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Scott Troemel <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 4:15:13 PM
Subject: DC-239 Spring 1910 Adjudication



Folks,
  I'm sorry to say that Thomas has NMRed again. This means I'm going to put the game up for a replacement Germany. Sorry, Thomas, but I tried to give you a reminder.
  I got one no vote and one fail-to-vote, which counts as a no (on top of the NMR vote), so the AI draw fails. We will play on (once I find that replacement.)
  Two disbands this season, one due to a lack of retreat options, and one due to Germany's NMR. We'll be able to roll into fall once a replacement joins us.


Players:

Austria:   Darryl Good            dipknight(at)gmail.com ([email]dipknight(at)gmail.com[/email])
England:  Packrat                 brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])
France:    Civil Disorder
Germany: vacant
Italy:        Tim Fuhrmeister     timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com ([email]timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Russia:    John R                  untitiled36(at)yahoo.com ([email]untitiled36(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Turkey:    Civil Disorder


Orders:

Austria:
A Berlin - Kiel
F Black Sea - Constantinople
A Budapest - Trieste (*Fails*)
A Bulgaria - Greece
A Munich Supports A Berlin - Kiel
A Prussia - Livonia
A Sevastopol Supports A Ukraine - Moscow
A Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Trieste - Venice
A Ukraine - Moscow
A Vienna - Bohemia
A Warsaw Supports A Prussia - Livonia

England:
A Edinburgh Hold
F Norwegian Sea - Norway

Germany:
F Helgoland Bight, no move received
A Holland, no move received
A Kiel, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F North Sea, no move received
A Ruhr, no move received

Italy:
A Belgium Hold
A Burgundy Supports A Belgium
F English Channel - London
F London - Yorkshire
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Naples - Ionian Sea
F North Atlantic Ocean Hold
A Paris Supports A Burgundy
A Picardy Supports A Belgium
A Piedmont Supports A Venice
A Venice Hold
F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean

Russia:
A Livonia - Moscow (*Disbanded*)
A Moscow - St Petersburg


Unit Positions: (SCs/Units)

Austria: (13/12)
Armies - Boh, Bud, Gre, Kie, Lvn, Mos, Mun, Sev, Tri, Trl, War
Fleets - Con

England: (2/2)
Armies - Edi
Fleets - Nwy

France: ELIMINATED 1909

Germany: (5/4)
Armies - Hol, Ruh
Fleets - Hel, Nth

Italy: (12/12)
Armies - Bel, Bur, Par, Pic, Pie, Ven
Fleets - Eng, Ion, Lon, MAO, NAO, Yor

Russia: (2/1)
Armies - StP

Turkey: ELIMINATED 1906


Deadline:

Fall 1910 deadline will be set once a replacement is found.
Any issues or errors, let me know.


Map and RP file are attached for your convenience, enjoy!

Thanks all,
The White Wolf


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I would and I'm sure Doug would appreciate anything you have to say about this variant or any other.you've designed. If you'd like to write about anything else feel free as we're always looking for articles. If you need any help or someone to bounce article ideas off off just let me or Doug know.

All of this goes for the rest of you as well..

Jack

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:ff96e28aa2] I would be glad to do that, but would love it even more if another player decided to.  Variant designers offer the worst commentary on their own variants - they tend to get tunnel vision from their first impressions during the design process, and miss things that fresh sets of eyes catch.
 
B.

 

On 8/29/09, Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote: [quote:ff96e28aa2]okay this is Peru and your Diplomacy World variant editor and i'm writing this to you as the latter and not the former--who wants to write something for me on this variant by the end of September? don't be shy now as i know you're all good writers since most of you have lied to me in writing before...

it doesn't have to be alot...maybe some designers note from the designer Benjamin? how about something on the play of this variant from any of the players? don't make whine further because i will...

you don't have to send it to me if you're afraid of divulging your closely guarded secrets of this game to another player...you can send it to DW's managing editor Doug Kent at ♫
dougray30(at)yahoo.com...Doug is my toady and not much of a Dip player but generally a good editor and all around decent person, i mean as decent as you can be playing a game where lie and screw over other players..

if you want to see the latest issue its at...http://www.diplomacyworld.net/

jack

On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 11:39 PM, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:ff96e28aa2] Big ear to ear grin at "legendary" - hope you all enjoy it   One of my earlier creations, and certainly a favorite of mine.
 
- Head-Swelling B.

 

On 8/27/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])> wrote: [quote:ff96e28aa2] Greetings!  And welcome to this, the two-hundred and seventy-third game of diplomaticcorp diplomacy:
 
                                            "Not now, I've got to feed my llama!"
 
We've got a lineup here with some of the best in the hobby - including some new hopefuls, some dc regulars, some old-school vets, and some dinosaurs that have been around forever. 
 
This game will follow in my typical 4-season Diplomacy fashion, that is with autumn retreats and winter builds combined into one season to cut back on the minor turns.  You can always submit your build orders conditional upon the autumn retreat ordrers, if that affects what you would build.  See my house rules online for further info.  Actually, you should read them even if further info isn't really your bag of chips, or even if you dont care for info much at all.  No, even if it would make you grossly ill, you should still read the house rules.  They're that good.  Trust me.
 
For those of you got on the wrong train, you have showed up for South American Supremacy - As the train has now left the station, this is where you're going whether you like it or not - but how could you not?  With a variant created by the legendary Ben Hester, you would have the wisdom of a llama to not want to play in this one.
 
So - without delaying this any further than I already have, let's get a confirmation from all 8 players, including if you like a preference list of countries.  Even if you dont have a preference, you should still reply to me to confirm you're interested, and indicate no preference.
 
With this crowd, I'm not anticipating we'll have any long-term issues with NMRs.  I'll be running this game in my usual way, that is with processing NMR's as they fall.
 
Enjoy!
-mike
Order of the Llama
www.diplomaticcorp.com
 
 

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Mike said his map (from RP) is the official map we are working from.
So I have to agree, Ben is talking about a different version then we are using
 

From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:39:31 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers (DC-273)

Jack nailed my dilemma - I'm looking at the DipWiki version, which matches Ben's succeed/fail list. I'm also looking at the "official" map, directly from Ben's website (which you suggested, Hester!), which does not match.

Andy/Wolf

--- On Sun, 8/30/09, Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:4deadc4689] i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
 

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Oh, I'd say they were pretty high.  Even higher if Hester is in the room.
 

From: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:34:37 PM
Subject: Fw: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps

    If someone says they are taking the board and going home what are the odds they take the wrong board?  <scratching his chin in puzzled curiosity? >
 

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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:29:07 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps

owwwww.....that hurt, if you're gonna play rough i'm not gonna play with u no more...so there.....<crosses arms and turns his back>....

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:dffbeb95bf] So I'm a sissy - what's your point.  At least I get my moves in on time.
 

 
From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc..net>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:13:12 PM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps



RP is for sissies...real dipMEN don't need no stinkin' RP....;o)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:dffbeb95bf] Since I am going to be using RP and there are all these questions around the
map - how about just sending the dpy file so we can see if we can open it?
 

 
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail..com; Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo..com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail..com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56:17 AM
Subject: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps




Guys pls ignore the little man behind the curtain, as the moves indicated have nothing to do w the map we are actually playing.  The version we are playing is the version that is on the diplomaticcorp site.  It is in the attached maps.  The dipwiki version has two different maps, neither of which is the current map.  One of them differs around Con-Prn, the other differs around the Pacific Ocean .  But use what is posted here, and the RP file from the website.  Con is not adjacent to Prn in this version.  I’m sure the wiki will get updated when he gets around to it.
-Chief Llama
 

From: Jack McHugh [mailto: jwmchughjr(at)gmail..com ]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers

 
i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
Ben,
  I don't see a Con/Prn adjacency on your official version of the map. It looks like Asu is between them. Clarify?

Andy


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:dffbeb95bf]
F Con - Prn SUCCEEDS

F Con - Pan FAILS (the Parana river stops at Con and Prn)

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sounds fair - thanks

From: Rocketship <rocketship.rocketship(at)gmail.com ([email]rocketship.rocketship(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Mark Jefferson <markj18(at)gmail.com ([email]markj18(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Mike Britton <lottroad(at)yahoo.com ([email]lottroad(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Gabriel Singer <gabriel_singer(at)hotmail.com ([email]gabriel_singer(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Cc: dc242(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc242(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Rocketship <rocketship.rocketship(at)gmail.com ([email]rocketship.rocketship(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 1:21:32 PM
Subject: Re: DC242: 10h for Fall 1911



Hi Folks,

Unfortunately, the deadline is passed and I have no orders from Turkey.  Although he's already used his 24h grace period, I don't think it's really worth adjudicating without him.

As such, I'm using my discretion to give an extra 24 hours.  This isn't a free pass, though: although Turkey's orders will be adjudicated as normal, he'll still record an NMR.

I hope this sounds fair to all.

Cheers,

Matthew


On Aug 29, 2009, at 1:28 PM, Rocketship wrote:

[quote:e3c5d659c9]Hi Folks,

This is your friendly 10h reminder for Fall 1911.  I'm missing orders from one of you.

Cheers,

Matthew

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I offer my congrats to Nathan, a well played game.  Sorry about the NMR I thought the game was over in the summer for some reason. At the start of the game I looked for an ally against Scott but could not find one I trusted.  I decided to ally with my old foe instead.  He was a great ally and I blame our defeat on my not getting a unit past Yellow's lone army. Dark was wise to continually backup that army through out the game and not fall for the tempting open Yellow SC.  Great game Jon but you could have lied to me at start of game then stabbed.  This was not an open game but two blocks and one power left out in the cold.  I wonder how a gunboat version would work out?

With warm regards, Hugh
hapolley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]hapolley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])


From: Nathan Deily <ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>; Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; hapolley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]hapolley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]); Jonathan Kudlick <jkudlick(at)gmail.com ([email]jkudlick(at)gmail.com[/email])>; rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com ([email]rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc255(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc255(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Saturday, August 29, 2009 7:24:17 AM
Subject: Re: DC255 Fall 1909 Results - Game Over - Dark Solo!


First and foremost, thanks to Matt for a well-run game, and to everyone who played for their dedication to keeping the game on track.

On a macro level, I agree that the symmetry of the map may make fo a slightly less interesting game. However, working from positions of exactly equal strength and position, with exactly equal opportunity for growth, tactics and diplomacy, seems to focus the experience on the players and their execution of their respective strategies in these areas.

Without the solid alliance with Jon from the outset, the solo would not have occurred. I may owe much to Blue's well-fought stalemate that contained my ally's growth.

Packrat and I dismembered White quickly, which was the plan, and it seemed we were destined for conflict from that point on, though he made several perusasive attempts to get me to turn on Yellow - once I had given (apparently) just enough for him to turn his attention (and units) to helping Blue, the time came for the stab, which was not devastating but gave me the tactical leverage to push things past the tipping point.

As always, Packrat's defense was well played until he chose to discontinue it. I've thoroughly enjoyed the variant and playing with you all, and am very pleased to have earned my first solo on DC.

Nathan


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From: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>
To: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>; Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; hapolley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]hapolley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]); Nathan Deily <ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jonathan Kudlick <jkudlick(at)gmail.com ([email]jkudlick(at)gmail.com[/email])>; rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com ([email]rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc255(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc255(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 8:35:06 PM
Subject: DC255 Fall 1909 Results - Game Over - Dark Solo!

So it's not going to come as a surprise to anyone at this point, but I still offer my hearty congratulations to our Dark player Nathan for pulling off the 12 center solo (one more than required!).

I also want to thank all of you for an almost perfect game in terms of submission of orders and the such; we only had a couple graces used and a couple NMR's (Blue in fact suffered one on this final turn), but in general you guys enabled me to keep this game running smoothly.

I'd love to see EOG statements from each of you including your thoughts on both our individual game and the map in general.  Personally I found the map intriguing when I first saw it, which is why I chose to GM this game.  However, as the game progressed I found myself a little bored by the map and its symmetry.  However, it obviously does do its job of eliminating any complaint about unequal starting positions.

Again congrats to Nathan, and I'm sure I'll see you all in future DC games.  You all of course are welcome in any game that I GM; be on the lookout for some sort of gunboat full press game soon!

Matt

Adjudication:

Blue:
F Sapphire, no move received
F Indigo Sea, no move received

Dark:
A Ghost Supports A Ink - Paper
A Jet Supports A Ink - Paper
F Crimson Supports F Carnation Sea - Vermillion
A Ruby Hold
A Ink - Paper
F Sea Of Butter Hold
F Carnation Sea - Vermillion
F Garnet - Sea of Lava
A Raven - Ink

Red:
A Hot Hold
A Crystal Hold
F Magenta Hold
F Vermillion Hold (*Dislodged*)

Yellow:
A Sulphur Hold
F Cobalt Hold
F Aquatic Sea Hold
F Forest Sea - Malachite
A Saffron - Sunshine






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So I'm a sissy - what's your point. At least I get my moves in on time.



From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc..net>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:13:12 PM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps



RP is for sissies...real dipMEN don't need no stinkin' RP....;o)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:777d29c496] Since I am going to be using RP and there are all these questions around the
map - how about just sending the dpy file so we can see if we can open it?



From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail..com; Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo..com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail..com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56:17 AM
Subject: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps




Guys pls ignore the little man behind the curtain, as the moves indicated have nothing to do w the map we are actually playing. The version we are playing is the version that is on the diplomaticcorp site. It is in the attached maps. The dipwiki version has two different maps, neither of which is the current map. One of them differs around Con-Prn, the other differs around the Pacific Ocean . But use what is posted here, and the RP file from the website. Con is not adjacent to Prn in this version. I’m sure the wiki will get updated when he gets around to it.
-Chief Llama


From: Jack McHugh [mailto: jwmchughjr(at)gmail..com ]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers


i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
Ben,
I don't see a Con/Prn adjacency on your official version of the map. It looks like Asu is between them. Clarify?

Andy


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:777d29c496]
F Con - Prn SUCCEEDS

F Con - Pan FAILS (the Parana river stops at Con and Prn)

[Reply]

So I'm a sissy - what's your point. At least I get my moves in on time.



From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc..net>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:13:12 PM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps



RP is for sissies...real dipMEN don't need no stinkin' RP....;o)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0d38299906] Since I am going to be using RP and there are all these questions around the
map - how about just sending the dpy file so we can see if we can open it?



From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail..com; Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo..com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail..com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56:17 AM
Subject: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps




Guys pls ignore the little man behind the curtain, as the moves indicated have nothing to do w the map we are actually playing. The version we are playing is the version that is on the diplomaticcorp site. It is in the attached maps. The dipwiki version has two different maps, neither of which is the current map. One of them differs around Con-Prn, the other differs around the Pacific Ocean . But use what is posted here, and the RP file from the website. Con is not adjacent to Prn in this version. I’m sure the wiki will get updated when he gets around to it.
-Chief Llama


From: Jack McHugh [mailto: jwmchughjr(at)gmail..com ]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers


i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
Ben,
I don't see a Con/Prn adjacency on your official version of the map. It looks like Asu is between them. Clarify?

Andy


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0d38299906]
F Con - Prn SUCCEEDS

F Con - Pan FAILS (the Parana river stops at Con and Prn)

[Reply]

So I'm a sissy - what's your point. At least I get my moves in on time.



From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc..net>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:13:12 PM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps



RP is for sissies...real dipMEN don't need no stinkin' RP....;o)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:03b9e29267] Since I am going to be using RP and there are all these questions around the
map - how about just sending the dpy file so we can see if we can open it?



From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail..com; Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo..com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail..com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56:17 AM
Subject: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps




Guys pls ignore the little man behind the curtain, as the moves indicated have nothing to do w the map we are actually playing. The version we are playing is the version that is on the diplomaticcorp site. It is in the attached maps. The dipwiki version has two different maps, neither of which is the current map. One of them differs around Con-Prn, the other differs around the Pacific Ocean . But use what is posted here, and the RP file from the website. Con is not adjacent to Prn in this version. I’m sure the wiki will get updated when he gets around to it.
-Chief Llama


From: Jack McHugh [mailto: jwmchughjr(at)gmail..com ]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers


i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
Ben,
I don't see a Con/Prn adjacency on your official version of the map. It looks like Asu is between them. Clarify?

Andy


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:03b9e29267]
F Con - Prn SUCCEEDS

F Con - Pan FAILS (the Parana river stops at Con and Prn)

[Reply]

So I'm a sissy - what's your point.  At least I get my moves in on time.



From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc..net>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com ([email]jchdipaccount(at)gmail.com[/email]); Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 2:13:12 PM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps



RP is for sissies...real dipMEN don't need no stinkin' RP....;o)

On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 2:08 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1720c39ff4] Since I am going to be using RP and there are all these questions around the
map - how about just sending the dpy file so we can see if we can open it?



From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail..com; Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo..com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail..com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56:17 AM
Subject: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps




Guys pls ignore the little man behind the curtain, as the moves indicated have nothing to do w the map we are actually playing.  The version we are playing is the version that is on the diplomaticcorp site.  It is in the attached maps.  The dipwiki version has two different maps, neither of which is the current map.  One of them differs around Con-Prn, the other differs around the Pacific Ocean .  But use what is posted here, and the RP file from the website.  Con is not adjacent to Prn in this version.  I’m sure the wiki will get updated when he gets around to it.
-Chief Llama
 

From: Jack McHugh [mailto: jwmchughjr(at)gmail..com ]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers

 
i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
Ben,
  I don't see a Con/Prn adjacency on your official version of the map. It looks like Asu is between them. Clarify?

Andy


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1720c39ff4]
F Con - Prn SUCCEEDS

F Con - Pan FAILS (the Parana river stops at Con and Prn)

[Reply]

Since I am going to be using RP and there are all these questions around the
map - how about just sending the dpy file so we can see if we can open it?



From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail..com; Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo..com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail..com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56:17 AM
Subject: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps




Guys pls ignore the little man behind the curtain, as the moves indicated have nothing to do w the map we are actually playing. The version we are playing is the version that is on the diplomaticcorp site. It is in the attached maps. The dipwiki version has two different maps, neither of which is the current map. One of them differs around Con-Prn, the other differs around the Pacific Ocean . But use what is posted here, and the RP file from the website. Con is not adjacent to Prn in this version. I’m sure the wiki will get updated when he gets around to it.
-Chief Llama


From: Jack McHugh [mailto: jwmchughjr(at)gmail..com ]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers


i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
Ben,
I don't see a Con/Prn adjacency on your official version of the map. It looks like Asu is between them. Clarify?

Andy


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f50d81ef78]
F Con - Prn SUCCEEDS

F Con - Pan FAILS (the Parana river stops at Con and Prn)

[Reply]

Since I am going to be using RP and there are all these questions around the
map - how about just sending the dpy file so we can see if we can open it?



From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
To: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email])>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jchdipaccount(at)gmail..com; Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu ([email]Gregory_Olson(at)brown.edu[/email]); drew3739o(at)yahoo.com ([email]drew3739o(at)yahoo.com[/email]); alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc273 <dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc273(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])>; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail..com>
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 11:56:17 AM
Subject: NNIGTFML - Officia Maps




Guys pls ignore the little man behind the curtain, as the moves indicated have nothing to do w the map we are actually playing.  The version we are playing is the version that is on the diplomaticcorp site.  It is in the attached maps.  The dipwiki version has two different maps, neither of which is the current map.  One of them differs around Con-Prn, the other differs around the Pacific Ocean .  But use what is posted here, and the RP file from the website.  Con is not adjacent to Prn in this version.  I’m sure the wiki will get updated when he gets around to it.
-Chief Llama
 

From: Jack McHugh [mailto: jwmchughjr(at)gmail..com ]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Mountains & Rivers

 
i agree with the wolf here--which map is Ben working from...in the one on the website under the DipWiki on the SAS variant Con-Prn are connected but on the map that mike sent out with the game start announcement asu cuts off con from prn and vice-versa...
On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 11:07 AM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
Ben,
  I don't see a Con/Prn adjacency on your official version of the map. It looks like Asu is between them. Clarify?

Andy


--- On Sat, 8/29/09, Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:97ea516121]
F Con - Prn SUCCEEDS

F Con - Pan FAILS (the Parana river stops at Con and Prn)

[Reply]