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Game Start - blueinva   (Jun 09, 2009, 4:41 pm)
Guys,

We begin. Countries have been assigned and although I'm sure you're all familiar with the start map, one will be posted in the game results as soon as I can resolve some small technical issues...

Spring 1901 Deadline is Thursday June 25th 2009 11:59pm EDT (June 26th 2009 03:59 GMT)

Blue

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DC261 - Offical Game Start! - aramis604   (Jun 09, 2009, 4:18 pm)
Ok, everyone is on board and ready to stab their neighbors in the back. Here are the country assignments:

England - Mark Duffield; captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com
Italy - Benjamin Hester; screwtape777(at)gmail.com
Austria - Jim Rossiter; jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com
France - Ben Leapman; ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com
Russia - David Zilkha; davidzil(at)lycos.com
Germany - Bruce Quinn; coebq(at)yahoo.com
Turkey - Eric Shum; ecommander0(at)hotmail.com

This is bound to be an interesting game. Good luck to all of you!

Fall 1901 Deadline
Wednesday, June 17th at 9pm Pacific Time.

- Josh

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DC261 - Offical Game Start! (dc261) Kenshi777 Jun 09, 05:17 pm
Just a friendly note to all - while this Gmail address listed below is my primary address and the best one to use for me now, it is a good idea to send all messages to me to both screwtape777 AT gmail DOT com and benjamin DOT hester AT us DOT army DOT mil.
 
I will be away at annual training with the Army Reserves for most of July and a small part of August, and will likely only have access to my army email address.  
 
Thanks, and hope everyone enjoys the game -
B. 


On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Ok, everyone is on board and ready to stab their neighbors in the back. Here are the country assignments:

England - Mark Duffield; captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Italy - Benjamin Hester; screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])
Austria - Jim Rossiter; jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])
France - Ben Leapman; ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])
Russia - David Zilkha; davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])
Germany - Bruce Quinn; coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Turkey - Eric Shum; ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])

This is bound to be an interesting game. Good luck to all of you!

Fall 1901 Deadline
Wednesday, June 17th at 9pm Pacific Time.

- Josh







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DC 220 Autumn 08 Russian Retreat (Public) - TheWhiteWolf   (Jun 09, 2009, 2:50 pm)
Hey everyone,
I'll take the obvious retreat to Sevastopol.

Wolf

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DC190 - Fall 2014 - worldwidegm at gmail.com   (Jun 09, 2009, 2:44 pm)
Well, well, well... so the regular computer is just as mysteriously back online, so I waited long enough to get back onto the real map.  A few developments this turn: Russia orders units to move (though none of them actually get anywhere) and Africa gets just a little bit darker (green).  This season also brought the official close to the Chinese campaign as the Independent State of Ethiopia fell to the Persians.  Thanks to Mike for sticking it out.

There are no retreats necessary, so we move straight on into the winter of 2014.  Since it's a winter season, we won't be voting on any proposals, but the fun will resume when we get into the spring.

Your orders:

Mexico:
F Alaska Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Nunavut Supports F Alaska
A Vancouver Holds
F Pacific Ocean Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Quebec Holds
F Halifax Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Cape Verde Sea
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Canary Sea Supports A Morocco
F Iberia Supports F Paris
A Paris Supports A Berlin - Rome (*cut*)
A Morocco Supports F Iberia
A Dakar Supports A Ouagadougou
A Ouagadougou Supports F Yaounde - Lagos
F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Micronesian Sea Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Philippines Sea Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Manila Supports F Philippines Sea
F Arafura Sea Supports F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Jayapura Supports F Philippines Sea

South America:
F Hong Kong Supports F Manila - East China Sea (*disbanded*)
F Bay of Bengal - Siam (*fails*)
F Cocos Sea - Indian Ocean (*fails*)
F Perth Supports F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea
F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea (*fails*)
F Sydney - Tasman Sea
F Skeleton Coast - Perth (*invalid*)
F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Maputo Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Zambezi Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Angola - Congo (*fails*)
F Sandwich Sea Supports A Angola - Congo
F Yaounde - Lagos
F Gulf of Guinea Supports F Yaounde - Lagos

Russia:
F Beaufort Sea Supports F Bering Sea
F Labrador Sea Supports F English Channel
F English Channel Supports F Labrador Sea
F Arctic Ocean Supports F Labrador Sea
A London Holds
A Holland Supports A Berlin
A Berlin Holds
A Irkutsk - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Ulaanbaatar - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Beijing - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Honshu Supports F East China Sea (*unit ordered to move*)
F East China Sea - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Taiwan - South China Sea (*bounce*)

West Africa:
A Algeria Holds
F Lagos Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*disbanded*)

Persia:
A Vietnam Supports A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Calcutta - Himalaya
A Addis Ababa Supports A Nairobi
F Arabian Sea - Mumbai
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris (*fails*)
A Rome Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
A Niamey Supports F Lagos
A N'Djamena - Yaounde
F Tunis Supports A Algeria
A Khartoum Supports A Congo
A Dar es Salaam Supports A Congo (*disbanded*)
A Congo Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*cut*)
F Zanzibar Sea Supports A Dar es Salaam
A Nairobi Supports A Congo
F Indian Ocean - Cocos Sea (*fails*)

Oceania:
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Jakarta Supports F Siam - South China Sea (*disbanded*)

Statistics:
Mex: 20 sc's - 20 units = even
SAm: 16 sc's - 13 units = build 3
Rus: 15 sc's - 14 units = build 1
WAf: 1 sc - 1 unit = even
Per: 17 sc's - 16 units = build 1
Chi: 0 sc's - 0 unit = thanks for playing
Oce: 1 sc - 1 unit = even

Next deadline:
Winter Builds are due Saturday, June 13, 2200GMT.

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DC190 - Fall 2014 (dc190) Lequinian Jun 09, 09:53 pm
Just to call foul on myself, but while trying to figure out why I don't get a build, I realized I had 19 SCs last round and 20 units.  Backtracked it to winter 2013 - GM asked for 2 builds and I supplied.  Oops on all of us cause we didn't catch it - don't think it made a difference either way.

No worries, but just to be straight up.

Scott
---

On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Diplomacy Gamemaster <worldwidegm(at)gmail.com ([email]worldwidegm(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

Well, well, well... so the regular computer is just as mysteriously back online, so I waited long enough to get back onto the real map.  A few developments this turn: Russia orders units to move (though none of them actually get anywhere) and Africa gets just a little bit darker (green).  This season also brought the official close to the Chinese campaign as the Independent State of Ethiopia fell to the Persians.  Thanks to Mike for sticking it out.

There are no retreats necessary, so we move straight on into the winter of 2014.  Since it's a winter season, we won't be voting on any proposals, but the fun will resume when we get into the spring.

Your orders:

Mexico:
F Alaska Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Nunavut Supports F Alaska
A Vancouver Holds
F Pacific Ocean Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Quebec Holds
F Halifax Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Cape Verde Sea
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Canary Sea Supports A Morocco
F Iberia Supports F Paris
A Paris Supports A Berlin - Rome (*cut*)
A Morocco Supports F Iberia
A Dakar Supports A Ouagadougou
A Ouagadougou Supports F Yaounde - Lagos
F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Micronesian Sea Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Philippines Sea Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Manila Supports F Philippines Sea
F Arafura Sea Supports F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Jayapura Supports F Philippines Sea

South America:
F Hong Kong Supports F Manila - East China Sea (*disbanded*)
F Bay of Bengal - Siam (*fails*)
F Cocos Sea - Indian Ocean (*fails*)
F Perth Supports F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea
F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea (*fails*)
F Sydney - Tasman Sea
F Skeleton Coast - Perth (*invalid*)
F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Maputo Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Zambezi Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Angola - Congo (*fails*)
F Sandwich Sea Supports A Angola - Congo
F Yaounde - Lagos
F Gulf of Guinea Supports F Yaounde - Lagos

Russia:
F Beaufort Sea Supports F Bering Sea
F Labrador Sea Supports F English Channel
F English Channel Supports F Labrador Sea
F Arctic Ocean Supports F Labrador Sea
A London Holds
A Holland Supports A Berlin
A Berlin Holds
A Irkutsk - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Ulaanbaatar - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Beijing - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Honshu Supports F East China Sea (*unit ordered to move*)
F East China Sea - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Taiwan - South China Sea (*bounce*)

West Africa:
A Algeria Holds
F Lagos Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*disbanded*)

Persia:
A Vietnam Supports A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Calcutta - Himalaya
A Addis Ababa Supports A Nairobi
F Arabian Sea - Mumbai
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris (*fails*)
A Rome Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
A Niamey Supports F Lagos
A N'Djamena - Yaounde
F Tunis Supports A Algeria
A Khartoum Supports A Congo
A Dar es Salaam Supports A Congo (*disbanded*)
A Congo Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*cut*)
F Zanzibar Sea Supports A Dar es Salaam
A Nairobi Supports A Congo
F Indian Ocean - Cocos Sea (*fails*)

Oceania:
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Jakarta Supports F Siam - South China Sea (*disbanded*)

Statistics:
Mex: 20 sc's - 20 units = even
SAm: 16 sc's - 13 units = build 3
Rus: 15 sc's - 14 units = build 1
WAf: 1 sc - 1 unit = even
Per: 17 sc's - 16 units = build 1
Chi: 0 sc's - 0 unit = thanks for playing
Oce: 1 sc - 1 unit = even

Next deadline:
Winter Builds are due Saturday, June 13, 2200GMT.

DC190 - Fall 2014 (dc190) bielf11 Jun 09, 10:40 pm
Think that such honesty disqualifies you for the title of Dip-Champ  Wink

2009/6/9 Scott Hickey <thase+dipcorp(at)dalarin.net ([email]thase%2Bdipcorp(at)dalarin.net[/email])>

Just to call foul on myself, but while trying to figure out why I don't get a build, I realized I had 19 SCs last round and 20 units.  Backtracked it to winter 2013 - GM asked for 2 builds and I supplied.  Oops on all of us cause we didn't catch it - don't think it made a difference either way.

No worries, but just to be straight up.

Scott
---


On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 3:43 PM, Diplomacy Gamemaster <worldwidegm(at)gmail.com ([email]worldwidegm(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:d6938fbe41]Well, well, well... so the regular computer is just as mysteriously back online, so I waited long enough to get back onto the real map.  A few developments this turn: Russia orders units to move (though none of them actually get anywhere) and Africa gets just a little bit darker (green).  This season also brought the official close to the Chinese campaign as the Independent State of Ethiopia fell to the Persians.  Thanks to Mike for sticking it out.

There are no retreats necessary, so we move straight on into the winter of 2014.  Since it's a winter season, we won't be voting on any proposals, but the fun will resume when we get into the spring.

Your orders:

Mexico:
F Alaska Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Nunavut Supports F Alaska
A Vancouver Holds
F Pacific Ocean Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Quebec Holds
F Halifax Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Cape Verde Sea
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Canary Sea Supports A Morocco
F Iberia Supports F Paris
A Paris Supports A Berlin - Rome (*cut*)
A Morocco Supports F Iberia
A Dakar Supports A Ouagadougou
A Ouagadougou Supports F Yaounde - Lagos
F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Micronesian Sea Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Philippines Sea Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Manila Supports F Philippines Sea
F Arafura Sea Supports F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Jayapura Supports F Philippines Sea

South America:
F Hong Kong Supports F Manila - East China Sea (*disbanded*)
F Bay of Bengal - Siam (*fails*)
F Cocos Sea - Indian Ocean (*fails*)
F Perth Supports F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea
F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea (*fails*)
F Sydney - Tasman Sea
F Skeleton Coast - Perth (*invalid*)
F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Maputo Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Zambezi Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Angola - Congo (*fails*)
F Sandwich Sea Supports A Angola - Congo
F Yaounde - Lagos
F Gulf of Guinea Supports F Yaounde - Lagos

Russia:
F Beaufort Sea Supports F Bering Sea
F Labrador Sea Supports F English Channel
F English Channel Supports F Labrador Sea
F Arctic Ocean Supports F Labrador Sea
A London Holds
A Holland Supports A Berlin
A Berlin Holds
A Irkutsk - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Ulaanbaatar - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Beijing - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Honshu Supports F East China Sea (*unit ordered to move*)
F East China Sea - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Taiwan - South China Sea (*bounce*)

West Africa:
A Algeria Holds
F Lagos Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*disbanded*)

Persia:
A Vietnam Supports A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Calcutta - Himalaya
A Addis Ababa Supports A Nairobi
F Arabian Sea - Mumbai
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris (*fails*)
A Rome Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
A Niamey Supports F Lagos
A N'Djamena - Yaounde
F Tunis Supports A Algeria
A Khartoum Supports A Congo
A Dar es Salaam Supports A Congo (*disbanded*)
A Congo Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*cut*)
F Zanzibar Sea Supports A Dar es Salaam
A Nairobi Supports A Congo
F Indian Ocean - Cocos Sea (*fails*)

Oceania:
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Jakarta Supports F Siam - South China Sea (*disbanded*)

Statistics:
Mex: 20 sc's - 20 units = even
SAm: 16 sc's - 13 units = build 3
Rus: 15 sc's - 14 units = build 1
WAf: 1 sc - 1 unit = even
Per: 17 sc's - 16 units = build 1
Chi: 0 sc's - 0 unit = thanks for playing
Oce: 1 sc - 1 unit = even

Next deadline:
Winter Builds are due Saturday, June 13, 2200GMT.





[/quote:d6938fbe41]
DC190 - Fall 2014 (dc190) DamienThryn Jun 11, 05:54 pm
Hi,
 
Please build me:
 
F ARG
 
A RIO
 
A BOL
 
Vote for the Mex/South America/Persia/Russia Draw.
 
Vote NO to the Mex/Russia draw.

 
On 6/9/09, Diplomacy Gamemaster <worldwidegm(at)gmail.com ([email]worldwidegm(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

Well, well, well... so the regular computer is just as mysteriously back online, so I waited long enough to get back onto the real map.  A few developments this turn: Russia orders units to move (though none of them actually get anywhere) and Africa gets just a little bit darker (green).  This season also brought the official close to the Chinese campaign as the Independent State of Ethiopia fell to the Persians.  Thanks to Mike for sticking it out.

There are no retreats necessary, so we move straight on into the winter of 2014.  Since it's a winter season, we won't be voting on any proposals, but the fun will resume when we get into the spring.

Your orders:

Mexico:
F Alaska Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Nunavut Supports F Alaska
A Vancouver Holds
F Pacific Ocean Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Quebec Holds
F Halifax Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Cape Verde Sea
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Canary Sea Supports A Morocco
F Iberia Supports F Paris
A Paris Supports A Berlin - Rome (*cut*)
A Morocco Supports F Iberia
A Dakar Supports A Ouagadougou
A Ouagadougou Supports F Yaounde - Lagos
F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Micronesian Sea Supports F Pacific Ocean
F Philippines Sea Supports F Micronesian Sea
F Manila Supports F Philippines Sea
F Arafura Sea Supports F South China Sea - Jakarta
F Jayapura Supports F Philippines Sea

South America:
F Hong Kong Supports F Manila - East China Sea (*disbanded*)
F Bay of Bengal - Siam (*fails*)
F Cocos Sea - Indian Ocean (*fails*)
F Perth Supports F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea
F Great Australian Bight - Cocos Sea (*fails*)
F Sydney - Tasman Sea
F Skeleton Coast - Perth (*invalid*)
F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Maputo Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Zambezi Supports F Nosy Barrens - Dar es Salaam
A Angola - Congo (*fails*)
F Sandwich Sea Supports A Angola - Congo
F Yaounde - Lagos
F Gulf of Guinea Supports F Yaounde - Lagos

Russia:
F Beaufort Sea Supports F Bering Sea
F Labrador Sea Supports F English Channel
F English Channel Supports F Labrador Sea
F Arctic Ocean Supports F Labrador Sea
A London Holds
A Holland Supports A Berlin
A Berlin Holds
A Irkutsk - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Ulaanbaatar - Vladivostok (*bounce*)
A Beijing - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Honshu Supports F East China Sea (*unit ordered to move*)
F East China Sea - Shanghai (*bounce*)
F Taiwan - South China Sea (*bounce*)

West Africa:
A Algeria Holds
F Lagos Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*disbanded*)

Persia:
A Vietnam Supports A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Shanghai - Hong Kong
A Calcutta - Himalaya
A Addis Ababa Supports A Nairobi
F Arabian Sea - Mumbai
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris (*fails*)
A Rome Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Paris
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
A Niamey Supports F Lagos
A N'Djamena - Yaounde
F Tunis Supports A Algeria
A Khartoum Supports A Congo
A Dar es Salaam Supports A Congo (*disbanded*)
A Congo Supports A N'Djamena - Yaounde (*cut*)
F Zanzibar Sea Supports A Dar es Salaam
A Nairobi Supports A Congo
F Indian Ocean - Cocos Sea (*fails*)

Oceania:
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Jakarta Supports F Siam - South China Sea (*disbanded*)

Statistics:
Mex: 20 sc's - 20 units = even
SAm: 16 sc's - 13 units = build 3
Rus: 15 sc's - 14 units = build 1
WAf: 1 sc - 1 unit = even
Per: 17 sc's - 16 units = build 1
Chi: 0 sc's - 0 unit = thanks for playing
Oce: 1 sc - 1 unit = even

Next deadline:
Winter Builds are due Saturday, June 13, 2200GMT.

DC 220 Fall 08 Adjuducation fixed! - Verticallychallangedcutie   (Jun 09, 2009, 2:43 pm)
Folks,
Another turn with another NMR. .Austria NMR's for the second major season in a row. As per the DC House Rules I will be seeking a replacement Austria as soon as I send out the adjudication. The Map and Dpy file have not changed, just the orders placed in the email.

Players:

Austria: Vacant
England: Alexander Kossoff <akossoff(at)gmail.com>
France: Jeffrey Cole <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Josh Mayo <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com> ELIMINATED
Italy: Kevin Dietz <insky(at)cox.net> ELIMINATED
Russia: Andrew Jameson <Cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Michael Thompdson <psychosis(at)sky.com>


Orders:
Austria:
A Budapest, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
F Greece, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received

England:
F Baltic Sea - Berlin
F Denmark - Skagerrak
F Holland, no move received
A Livonia Supports A St Petersburg - Moscow
A London - Norway
F North Sea Convoys A London - Norway
F Norwegian Sea, no move received
A St Petersburg - Moscow
A Warsaw Supports A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Cut*)

France:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Rome - Albania
F Eastern Mediterranean - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Rome - Albania
A Munich - Silesia (*Fails*)
A Rome - Albania
A Ruhr Hold
A Trieste Supports A Rome - Albania
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea Convoys A Rome - Albania
A Vienna - Galicia

Russia:
F Constantinople Hold
A Moscow - Livonia (*Dislodged*)
A Silesia Supports A Ukraine - Warsaw (*Cut*)
A Ukraine - Warsaw (*Fails*)

Turkey:
F Smyrna - Constantinople (*Fails*)

Deadline:
Only one retreat is due this turn.
Russian A Moscow can retreat to Sevastopol.
Let's have the retreat in by tomorrow June 9, 7pm CDT ( 11:59 GMT ).

[Reply]

My reply to my NMR (dc220) MDemagogue Jun 09, 08:51 pm
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Mark <mdemagogue>
Date: Sun, May 31, 2009 at 1:52 PM
Subject: DC 220 Austrian moves fall 08
To: Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie>


Sorry about the missed turn, most gm's send out a deadline reminder. Anyhoo

I'll propose the E/F draw now and vote yes to save myself the effort of getting whittled down.

and here's the moves for fall

A bud to tri
A ser s a bud to tri
a rum to bud
f gre to alb
a bul to gre
DC 220 Fall 08 Adjudication - TheWhiteWolf   (Jun 09, 2009, 2:43 pm)
Guys,
Rachael has been advised that these are the spring orders, and is in the process of sending out the correct fall adjudication. She asked me to let you know, in case you're sitting on top of your inbox like vultures (like I am.)

Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 220 Fall 08 Adjudication
To: "DC 220 Forum" <dc220(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Mark Utterback DC 220 Austria" <MDemagogue(at)gmail.com>, "Alexander Kossoff DC 220 England" <akossoff(at)gmail.com>, "DC 220 Forum" <dc220(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Jeff Cole DC 220 France" <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>, "Josh Mayo DC 220 Germany" <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com>, "Kevin Dietz DC 220 Italy" <insky(at)cox.net>, "Stephen Lytton DC 220 MOD" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, "The White Wolf DC 220 Russia" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, "Michael Thompson DC 220 Turkey" <psychosis(at)sky.com>, "Trout DC 236" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:31 PM

Folks,
Another turn with another NMR. .Austria NMR's for the second major season in a row. As per the DC House Rules I will be seeking a replacement Austria as soon as I send out the adjudication.

Players:

Austria: Vacant
England: Alexander Kossoff <akossoff(at)gmail.com>
France: Jeffrey Cole <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Josh Mayo <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com> ELIMINATED
Italy: Kevin Dietz <insky(at)cox.net> ELIMINATED
Russia: Andrew Jameson <Cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Michael Thompdson <psychosis(at)sky.com>

Orders:

Folks,
Another turn with another NMR. Guys this is getting ridiculous. I know that I haven't been the best GM but Mark you had an extra 3 days to get me orders and I didn't hear from you. If I don't hear from you by the fall deadline I will seek a replacement player per the DC house rules.

Players:

Austria: Mark Utterback <MDemagogue(at)gmail.com>
England: Alexander Kossoff <akossoff(at)gmail.com>
France: Jeffrey Cole <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Josh Mayo <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com> ELIMINATED
Italy: Kevin Dietz <insky(at)cox.net> ELIMINATED
Russia: Andrew Jameson <Cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Michael Thompdson <psychosis(at)sky.com>

Orders:

Austria:
A Budapest, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
F Greece, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
A Trieste, no move received (*Disbanded*)

England:
F Baltic Sea Convoys A London - Berlin
F Denmark Convoys A London - Berlin (*Fails*)
F Holland Supports F North Sea
A Livonia Supports A Prussia - Warsaw
A London - Berlin (*Fails*)
F North Sea Convoys A London - Berlin (*Void*)
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea
A Prussia - Warsaw
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)

France:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice - Trieste
A Belgium - Ruhr
F Ionian Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome Hold
A Ruhr - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Venice - Trieste
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold
A Venice - Trieste
A Vienna - Budapest (*Fails*)

Russia:
F Constantinople Hold
A Moscow - Warsaw (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Ukraine
A Warsaw - Silesia

Turkey:
F Smyrna - Constantinople (*Fails*)
Deadline:
Only one retreat is due this turn.
Russian A Moscow can retreat to Sevastopol.
Let's have the retreat in by tomorrow June 9, 7pm CDT ( 11:59 GMT ).


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DC 220 Fall 08 Adjudication - Verticallychallangedcutie   (Jun 09, 2009, 2:32 pm)
Folks,
Another turn with another NMR. .Austria NMR's for the second major season in a row. As per the DC House Rules I will be seeking a replacement Austria as soon as I send out the adjudication.

Players:

Austria: Vacant
England: Alexander Kossoff <akossoff(at)gmail.com>
France: Jeffrey Cole <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Josh Mayo <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com> ELIMINATED
Italy: Kevin Dietz <insky(at)cox.net> ELIMINATED
Russia: Andrew Jameson <Cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Michael Thompdson <psychosis(at)sky.com>

Orders:

Folks,
Another turn with another NMR. Guys this is getting ridiculous. I know that I haven't been the best GM but Mark you had an extra 3 days to get me orders and I didn't hear from you. If I don't hear from you by the fall deadline I will seek a replacement player per the DC house rules.

Players:

Austria: Mark Utterback <MDemagogue(at)gmail.com>
England: Alexander Kossoff <akossoff(at)gmail.com>
France: Jeffrey Cole <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Josh Mayo <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com> ELIMINATED
Italy: Kevin Dietz <insky(at)cox.net> ELIMINATED
Russia: Andrew Jameson <Cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Michael Thompdson <psychosis(at)sky.com>

Orders:

Austria:
A Budapest, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
F Greece, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
A Trieste, no move received (*Disbanded*)

England:
F Baltic Sea Convoys A London - Berlin
F Denmark Convoys A London - Berlin (*Fails*)
F Holland Supports F North Sea
A Livonia Supports A Prussia - Warsaw
A London - Berlin (*Fails*)
F North Sea Convoys A London - Berlin (*Void*)
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea
A Prussia - Warsaw
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)

France:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice - Trieste
A Belgium - Ruhr
F Ionian Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome Hold
A Ruhr - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Venice - Trieste
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold
A Venice - Trieste
A Vienna - Budapest (*Fails*)

Russia:
F Constantinople Hold
A Moscow - Warsaw (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Ukraine
A Warsaw - Silesia

Turkey:
F Smyrna - Constantinople (*Fails*)
Deadline:
Only one retreat is due this turn.
Russian A Moscow can retreat to Sevastopol.
Let's have the retreat in by tomorrow June 9, 7pm CDT ( 11:59 GMT ).

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DC 220 Fall 08 Adjudication (dc220) TheWhiteWolf Jun 09, 02:43 pm
Guys,
Rachael has been advised that these are the spring orders, and is in the process of sending out the correct fall adjudication. She asked me to let you know, in case you're sitting on top of your inbox like vultures (like I am.)

Wolf

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http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: DC 220 Fall 08 Adjudication
To: "DC 220 Forum" <dc220(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Mark Utterback DC 220 Austria" <MDemagogue(at)gmail.com>, "Alexander Kossoff DC 220 England" <akossoff(at)gmail.com>, "DC 220 Forum" <dc220(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Jeff Cole DC 220 France" <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>, "Josh Mayo DC 220 Germany" <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com>, "Kevin Dietz DC 220 Italy" <insky(at)cox.net>, "Stephen Lytton DC 220 MOD" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, "The White Wolf DC 220 Russia" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>, "Michael Thompson DC 220 Turkey" <psychosis(at)sky.com>, "Trout DC 236" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 3:31 PM

Folks,
Another turn with another NMR. .Austria NMR's for the second major season in a row. As per the DC House Rules I will be seeking a replacement Austria as soon as I send out the adjudication.

Players:

Austria: Vacant
England: Alexander Kossoff <akossoff(at)gmail.com>
France: Jeffrey Cole <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Josh Mayo <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com> ELIMINATED
Italy: Kevin Dietz <insky(at)cox.net> ELIMINATED
Russia: Andrew Jameson <Cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Michael Thompdson <psychosis(at)sky.com>

Orders:

Folks,
Another turn with another NMR. Guys this is getting ridiculous. I know that I haven't been the best GM but Mark you had an extra 3 days to get me orders and I didn't hear from you. If I don't hear from you by the fall deadline I will seek a replacement player per the DC house rules.

Players:

Austria: Mark Utterback <MDemagogue(at)gmail.com>
England: Alexander Kossoff <akossoff(at)gmail.com>
France: Jeffrey Cole <jeffcole854(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Josh Mayo <zauberlichneo(at)hotmail.com> ELIMINATED
Italy: Kevin Dietz <insky(at)cox.net> ELIMINATED
Russia: Andrew Jameson <Cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Michael Thompdson <psychosis(at)sky.com>

Orders:

Austria:
A Budapest, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
F Greece, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
A Trieste, no move received (*Disbanded*)

England:
F Baltic Sea Convoys A London - Berlin
F Denmark Convoys A London - Berlin (*Fails*)
F Holland Supports F North Sea
A Livonia Supports A Prussia - Warsaw
A London - Berlin (*Fails*)
F North Sea Convoys A London - Berlin (*Void*)
F Norwegian Sea Supports F North Sea
A Prussia - Warsaw
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)

France:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice - Trieste
A Belgium - Ruhr
F Ionian Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome Hold
A Ruhr - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Venice - Trieste
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold
A Venice - Trieste
A Vienna - Budapest (*Fails*)

Russia:
F Constantinople Hold
A Moscow - Warsaw (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Ukraine
A Warsaw - Silesia

Turkey:
F Smyrna - Constantinople (*Fails*)
Deadline:
Only one retreat is due this turn.
Russian A Moscow can retreat to Sevastopol.
Let's have the retreat in by tomorrow June 9, 7pm CDT ( 11:59 GMT ).


DC-244 Winter 1456 Adjudication - TheWhiteWolf   (Jun 09, 2009, 2:29 pm)
All,
Thanks for getting all your adjustments in on time. I hope to see this game start running smoothly, but that's up to all of you. So far, so good.


Players:

England: Mike Hoffman mrh(at)panix.com
France: Andrew d'Adesky andrewdadesky(at)hotmail.com
Holy Roman Empire: Sam Buck Sam_Buck_Productions(at)Mac.com
Russia: Jason K Githraine(at)yahoo.com
Spain: Rodrigo Yanez rpyanez(at)gmail.com
Ottoman Empire: Ross Webb rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com
Venice: Chris Morse camorse22(at)yahoo.com


Orders:

England:
Build F Brest
Build F London
Build A Liverpool

France:
Remove A Burgundy

Holy_Roman_Empire:
Remove A Galicia
Remove A Bohemia

Russia:
Build A Sevastopol

Venice:
Build A Trieste
Build F Greece


Unit Positions: (SCs/Units)

England: (8/Cool
Armies - Den, Lvp, Par
Fleets - Bre, Hol, Kie, Lon, MAO

France: (2/2)
Armies - Mun, Swi

Holy Roman Empire: (1/1)
Armies - Ber

Russia: (7/7)
Armies - Arm, Lvn, Sev, Swe, Ukr
Fleets - Ank, Bla

Spain: (4/4)
Armies - Spa
Fleets - Lyo, Por, Wes

Ottoman Empire: (3/3)
Armies - Bul, Con
Fleets - Smy

Venice: (9/9)
Armies - Bud, Pie, Rom, Rum, Tri, Trl, Vie
Fleets - Gre, Nap


Deadline:

Spring 1457 is due Tuesday, 16 June at 2pm CDT (7pm GMT.)
Any issues or errors, let me know.


Map and RP file are attached for your convenience, enjoy!

Thanks all,
The White Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

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dc246 summer 1911 retreat - m_don_j   (Jun 09, 2009, 12:35 pm)
Open NO to that draw!

/ Mikael

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:51:16 -0700
From: coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: dc246 summer 1911 retreat
To: kielmarch(at)hotmail.com; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; speedybunny(at)orange.fr; m_don_j(at)hotmail.com; orders(at)diplomaticcorp.com; the_great_pintoski(at)hotmail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net; babaktalebi(at)gmail.com; mwxtodd(at)gmail.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; Maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk

.ExternalClass DIV {;} The English army retreats into what was part of Germany, before that country fell into English hands.

Fall 1911 orders will be due Thursday 6/11 at 3pm Central (US) / 20:00 GMT. Along with your orders, please cast your vote on the following endgame proposal: a 2-way draw between England and Turkey.

Cory

-----

Summer 1911 retreat:

England:
A Burgundy - Ruhr


Gör personlighetstestet på MSN Dejting, se vem du passar ihop med! MSN Dejting

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dc246 summer 1911 retreat - m_don_j   (Jun 09, 2009, 12:35 pm)
Open NO to that draw!

/ Mikael

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:51:16 -0700
From: coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: dc246 summer 1911 retreat
To: kielmarch(at)hotmail.com; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; speedybunny(at)orange.fr; m_don_j(at)hotmail.com; orders(at)diplomaticcorp.com; the_great_pintoski(at)hotmail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net; babaktalebi(at)gmail.com; mwxtodd(at)gmail.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; Maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk

.ExternalClass DIV {;} The English army retreats into what was part of Germany, before that country fell into English hands.

Fall 1911 orders will be due Thursday 6/11 at 3pm Central (US) / 20:00 GMT. Along with your orders, please cast your vote on the following endgame proposal: a 2-way draw between England and Turkey.

Cory

-----

Summer 1911 retreat:

England:
A Burgundy - Ruhr


Gör personlighetstestet på MSN Dejting, se vem du passar ihop med! MSN Dejting

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243 Status and update - agwopa   (Jun 09, 2009, 12:27 pm)
I have gotten some questions on what is the delay. I said to my self that Fall is due Wednesday June 10th, and all is well. Now this means that I would have had to send out the Summer retreat and I was sure, no, I knew I did that, so why are you asking me? So as I now check to see if I am insane, stupid or... Well I am claiming that I am practicing for my future as an Alzheimer's patient. For I never sent the Summer out. (I meant to, I thought I did, I can not explain it, it just never happened}
Several of you have even sent orders for Fall and well done to those who did!! Any way here is the summer map and the retreat to
Paris from Burgundy
Bottom line is I will delay the fall turn till Friday 1600 GMT and tell all that I am sorry for any problems. If you have not sent any orders or if you have but want to do the turn faster than Friday I have no problems just mark Final in the subject line with your orders you are sending or updating or resending. This delay is not for me it is to allow you to wheel and deal with the proper info.
Sorry for the Pre-Senior moment, thanks for understanding,
AGWOPA

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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: FA09 results. SOMETHING ELSE - TheWhiteWolf   (Jun 09, 2009, 12:26 pm)
I voice a public no to any draw. Eliminate me or go for the win!

Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:


I have a proposal for an AG draw on the table so vote for that with
your adjustments.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>; mike(at)southwall.com
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:09:45 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: FA09 results. Retreats and adjustments needed.

Austrian F Tunis can retreat to North Africa.
Russian A Ukraine can retreat to Moscow.
Russian A Warsaw can retreat to Livonia or Moscow or Galicia.


The adjustments below assume all units retreat OTB -
Austria: Supp 8 Unit 8 Build 0 Remove 1 if retreat is not OTB
England: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
France: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 1
Germany: Supp 9 Unit 7 Build 2
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Russia: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0 Removes 1 or 2 if 1 or 2 retreats are OTB
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0

I would like to process the retreats before the adjustments so lets have the retreats by Wednesday
at 2100 and the builds tentatively scheduled for Friday. If France and Germany don't care about the
retreats to decide their builds then we can do it all for Wednesday and move right along.

Yes, Turkey did NMR and he also has to Wednesday to let me know if he still wants to play this
game or not. If not I will CD the position

Austria:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
A Albania - Apulia
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Albania - Apulia
A Rumania Supports A Galicia - Ukraine
A Trieste Supports A Venice
F Tunis - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Dislodged*)
A Venice Supports A Albania - Apulia

France:
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold
F Wales - Liverpool

Germany:
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
F Gulf of Bothnia - St Petersburg(sc)
A Munich Supports A Burgundy
F North Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Prussia Supports A Silesia - Warsaw
A Silesia - Warsaw
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway (*Cut*)

Italy:
A Apulia - Venice (*Disbanded*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F Naples - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
A Tuscany - Rome
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis

Russia:
A Finland - Sweden (*Fails*)
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Ukraine - Rumania
A Ukraine - Rumania (*Dislodged*)
A Warsaw - Silesia (*Dislodged*)

Turkey:
F Armenia, no move received
A Constantinople, no move received
A Smyrna, no move received











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Ambition & Empire 090205 / DC240: Players &... - warren_k_ball@yahoo.com   (Jun 09, 2009, 11:37 am)
Well, I wasn't privy to the emails obviously but I saw the moves. I find it very hard to believe that anyone offered France a worse deal than being repeatedly stabbed. I don't agree w/him allying w/Britain after the 1st stab but I understand that he felt that Britain offered him the best deal he could get. You may have felt the deals you offered were better but France obviously didn't or he would've accepted them.

I also doubt that merely Austria & France could have stopped the solo alone, especially when other countries were hitting them. Everyone shared in the loss no matter how many sc's they had and everyone should've worked together to stop the solo. Britain didn't gain 10 sc's in the final turn. Everyone could have saw it coming.

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ambition & Empire 090205 / DC240: Players & Powers
To: "Warren Ball" <warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: "Mark" <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com>, "Nick Higgins" <congressofvienna1814(at)yahoo.com>, frankmartin(at)surewest.net, "to jeffrey kase" <jeffreykase(at)yahoo.com>, nathanbalbright(at)yahoo.com, davidchegould(at)bigpond.com, David.Gould(at)aph.gov.au, kelly058(at)verizon.net, smileyrob68(at)gmail.com, isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com, VonPowell(at)aol.com, "Chris Dziedzic" <dipping_chris(at)yahoo.com>, toosauto(at)gmail.com, dc240(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, c.p.mcinerney(at)gmail.com, karsten.nitsch(at)gmx.de, former.trout(at)gmail.com, Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net, "Michael Norton" <mjn82(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 11:22 AM

Warren,

Most of your observations are on the money, but you're wrong on two points.


First, Spain never went back to Britain after multiple stabs. After the French convoy stab, he "intermarried" with Austria and worked in tandem with me for the rest of the game. It was only five years later, at my request (and trust me, solely to end a game that no longer mattered to him) that he supported Britain into Brc in exchange for support into Alg. That hardly constitutes "going back for more stabs."


Second, France didn't say that no one else offered him any sort of deal (although I can see why you misread his EOG that way). I offered him two separate deals - one in winter 1763 and another, better one in 1768 - that France accepted. France explained why he chose to break those deals: a better offer the first time around, (undeserved) mistrust the second.


In my opinion, a sustained effort by France against Britain in tandem with Austria could have stopped the solo. However, France was in the difficult position of trying not to thrive, but just survive, from the first turn on. If anyone deserves to be cut slack for taking his eyes off the British ball, it's him.


Jorge




On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Warren Ball <warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com ([email]warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:c6822369a9] Alas, where there is a solo, there is also finger pointing. So & so #1 didn't communicate, so & so #2 played bad tactics that allowed the solo, etc.

As I pointed out b4 the EoG's, Frank won because of 2 reasons. (1) he is the most experienced player in the variant (2) he stabbed people whose "retaliation" was then going back for MORE stabs, over & over. Let me now add a 3rd- Frank's tactics were indeed exemplary.

France was the player who kept going back for more stabs (followed by Spain). But he made clear in his EoG, y he did that. Nobody else was going to give him any kind of deal, so he stuck w/Frank after the initial stab. I don't agree w/that kind of thinking (I always go after the stabber) but I understand. This is a game of alliances & if you're not going to give somebody something reasonable, he's not gonna ally w/u.

So it's easy to criticize France but nobody offered him anything & France was never in position to stop the solo. What happened to all the players who couldn't temporarily put their conflicts on hold, to stop the solo? Everyone else lost, when England won.

So b4 pointing fingers at any individual player, all the other players should stop & think what THEY could have done, to stop the solo.

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Mark <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]mdemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:c6822369a9]
From: Mark <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]mdemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Ambition & Empire 090205 / DC240: Players & Powers

To: "Jorge Saralegui" <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Nick Higgins" <congressofvienna1814(at)yahoo.com ([email]congressofvienna1814(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, frankmartin(at)surewest.net ([email]frankmartin(at)surewest.net[/email]), "Warren Ball" <warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com ([email]warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "to jeffrey kase" <jeffreykase(at)yahoo.com ([email]jeffreykase(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, nathanbalbright(at)yahoo.com ([email]nathanbalbright(at)yahoo.com[/email]), davidchegould(at)bigpond.com ([email]davidchegould(at)bigpond.com[/email]), David.Gould(at)aph.gov.au ([email]David.Gould(at)aph.gov.au[/email]), kelly058(at)verizon.net ([email]kelly058(at)verizon.net[/email]), smileyrob68(at)gmail.com ([email]smileyrob68(at)gmail.com[/email]), isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com ([email]isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com[/email]), VonPowell(at)aol.com ([email]VonPowell(at)aol.com[/email]), "Chris Dziedzic" <dipping_chris(at)yahoo.com ([email]dipping_chris(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, toosauto(at)gmail.com ([email]toosauto(at)gmail.com[/email]), dc240(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc240(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]), stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]), c.p.mcinerney(at)gmail.com ([email]c.p.mcinerney(at)gmail.com[/email]), karsten.nitsch(at)gmx.de ([email]karsten.nitsch(at)gmx.de[/email]), former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]), Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net ([email]Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net[/email]), "Michael Norton" <mjn82(at)yahoo.com ([email]mjn82(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:46 AM

Since I've been assailed as an uncommunicative player it's time to correct that impression.

In response to Poland, I initially attempted to communicate with you but received no response. I'll forward the emails I sent asking what the army in Lusatia was going to do in fall of 63 to which I got no response. Communication between us at that point would have been vital, as you could have gained a third center in the center instead of holing up in my roach motel. The only other communication I received from you was a truce after you took an SC from me. That truce had no terms, except "that you weren't giving up any of your conquests" and didn't outine any expectations for a working relationship. Don't waste my email space with drivel like that.

There was no substantial attempt by Russia to establish communication, nor, after year one was there much of a point, given that all of your forces were attempting to stop sweden in the north. At that point non existant plans for courland seemed rather pointless. Given that my forces were similarly disposed there wasn't much use in us communicating.

As for Jorge, yeah, I miscued on that move. Also, I'm only human, and I got a little irritated at how your strategies always seemed to benefit everyone else you were in a working relationship with but me, Frank referred to that as "austrian diplomacy" and that was the blowback. In retrospect, it was a mistake, but I didn't really gain much from allying with you did I?

Overall, I was displeased with my choice of power, and how I played the game, but I was not at all surprised by the outcome given that Denmark and Turkey were doing everything they could do to make sure that Britain soloed. I'm not entirely sure why Turkey and Denmark fell for the lame threat construction (OMG AUSTRIA IS GOING TO SOLO) even though he was clearly on the defensive after plateuing at 8 centers, but we all can't be as smart as I am.

As an afterword, it was kind of hard, for me at least, to tell what spaces on the map bordered which (particularly Dre and Lus), and for that matter which units were where.


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote:c6822369a9] I would like to thank the academy… I have never made more of an effort, had worse results, or enjoyed a game more than I did this one (well, except for the time I came back from the dead to eliminate board leader Ray Bruce). That is meant to be a high compliment to Jeff and Baron, whose variant is currently my favorite version of Diplomacy, bar none. It’s an even bigger compliment to Nick, who managed this game expertly, offered entertaining public commentary, and engaged in a running dialogue with me that provided welcome A&E history as well as circumspect commentary on my orders (which I explained in detail). Finally I appreciated the dedication of all the players, which resulted in no NMR’s (technically, anyway!) and considered play by just about all.
My game could be divided into two phases. Let’s call the first one:
Why I failed to solo
This was my first time playing A&E. Austria’s advantage was obviously biggest at the start, and I mapped out a strategy to solo in as little as four years. The key was destroying France, which would give me enough access to the central neutrals that I would only need to pick up a center or two from a northern power in order to quickly and inoffensively win. I allied with Britain and Spain, offering them all of the French spoils. My intent was to give each of them exctly what they wanted, while growing faster than either of them could. I made a deal with Turkey that gave me TwS in exchange for not building any fleets, neutrality pacts with Prussia and Poland, and encouraged Denmark and Sweden to ally. 1763 played out like it did on my chalkboard, permanently crippling France.
1764 brought first war with Turkey, who was understandably unhappy over how well I was doing under our agreement, and then with Britain, who made peace with France in order to stop me. My mistake here was to agree to help France survive, with only a vague sense of how that would help me. But the bottom line was that I was still in good shape for a solo, due mainly to the neutrals I had stacked up in reserve.
1765 was my year of frustration. Spain had joined with Britain and Turkey against me and France, but I convinced Spain (correctly) that he would ultimately be sandwiched by Britain and Turkey. We agreed that he would help France (who remained unaware of these plans) and that he could position himself to take Africa by seemingly moving in on me. This could have resulted in a sweep of the Med. Unfortunately, we miscommunicated on an order, and had to wait another year to try again. That chance would never come.
At the same time, I thought I had allied with Prussia, whose uncommunicativeness had left him isolated and in trouble. Thus, when Poland and Turkey made a move on Bud in the spring, I retreated to the west, counting on Prussia to cut any attack on Bud. That fall I orchestrated a complicated set of orders that would have given me a third fleet against Turkey, and victory in the SE while keeping Britain at bay. Only one thing went wrong: Prussia stabbed me, costing me Bud. For no reason, no gain – we were back to cooperating vaguely from then on – and only because of one of several dubious last-minute deadline extensions requested to finalize stabs this game. Those are the breaks, and that was the end of my controlling my own destiny.
Why I couldn’t stop Britain from soloing Having conceded my sprint, I told France – just stabbed by Britain – to retreat into Dre (my SC). The very next turn – spring of 1766 – France joined Britain’s stab of Spain. Ironically, this killed my plan to restore France, and of course did France no good. I rolled with the punch and approached Turkey about allying against the stabbing corner power who had now tied for the lead. After extremely long negotiations, Turkey agreed, if I disbanded one of my fleets. This was fine with me, since my goal was to stop Britain in his tracks. I executed a switch with Spain where he took two of my Italian centers, and we convoyed one of my armies to Spain. If I wasn’t going to solo, then neither was Britain.
Or so I thought. In spring of 1767, Turkey stabbed me. Given our absurdly long negotiations, and how sloppily the stab was executed, I believed his denial. So he stabbed me again in the fall. Imagine my embarrassment. I was essentially no worse off than before, but Spain had been reduced to reliable adjunct status. And Turkey probably felt that he had elevated himself into Contender status, since he was tied for the lead with Britain at 8, while resurgent Denmark and I were at 7.
A word about Contender #3: After David patiently and expertly stabbed his way to viability, I encouraged him to ally with Prussia against Britain, but he chose to stab Prussia and add to his center count. I feel that this is where an excellent, even exemplary, game was lost: Denmark didn’t have the nerve to take on Britain under reasonable conditions, and rationalized it by staying close as he worked with Britain for his own gain while counting on me to slow down the Brits.
And count on me he could. In 1768 I decided not to do the obvious – regroup by retaking Bud or my loaned-out Italian centers – and stay focused on the big picture. I kept applying as much pressure as possible on Britain, and counterattacked Turkey with what was left. Of tremendous help was the game-long DP support I had, which I attributed to diligence, verifiable straightforwardness, and the fact that I needed them to stay afloat in the Med while I tried to stop Britain. I convinced France to rejoin me, and helped him take Brc from Turkey. But to our frustration, we failed to also retake Mar from Britain when Spain couldn’t be reached to change his orders. An effort to go for HeW instead fell short when Britain switched his orders at the last moment. By the end of the year Turkey had lost his gains and I controlled Italy once again, but I had made no progress in slowing Britain.
That winter I built an army instead of a fleet to once again convince Turkey to stop the British solo. But Turkey continued to pressure me in the spring of 1769, and Britain stabbed Denmark, seemingly giving him the game. Surprisingly Britain shifted gears in the fall and spared Denmark to stab Turkey. He would have paid for it had France not lied to me about where he was moving, sparing Britain from losing HeW. France told me he thought I had tipped off Britain about our attack the prior turn – something so nutty that I could explain it only by the fact that France stabbed (and was stabbed by Britain) so often that he saw only subterfuge behind every move. The only thing that could have surprised me more was Turkey refusing yet another offer on my part to stop a 12-dot Britain. Two years after stabbing me in favor of Britain, Britain was up four, I was up one, and he was down two. But to the amusement of all my correspondents, Turkey continued to ignore the big picture, abandoning Mor in order to keep the pressure on me.
A word about Contender #2: Frank stabbed even more frequently than Denmark, with the downside of being board leader, and made it worse by laughing about it in his press (which I found useful because it sometimes revealed that he was allied with someone I hadn’t suspected). I had no doubt that it would all come back to haunt him, if I just stayed the course and played to stop Britain. It took me until almost the end of the game to give him the credit he deserved. His tactical game was flawless; the worst that I could say is that he should have finished off Denmark rather than shifting south, and there’s no way to call that a clear error. Early on he correctly convinced the board that I was a threat to solo. And he played Denmark and Turkey expertly after that, using very different piano keys, so that neither ever did anything to stop him. (I don’t think anyone played France – he played himself.) With as much effort and example as I put into my diplomacy, Frank did a better job – an amazing job - where it counted.
1770 dawned with Denmark making his annual promise that this year he really, really was going to attack Britain, Turkey loading both barrels for Austria, and France on Britain’s side for good. Forget soloing – there was nobody viable willing to stop Britain and play for a draw. I could either accept that, or continue fighting a 360-degree holding action that would possibly give the game to Denmark. I had zero reason to do that for David; his unwillingness to move out from under Britain’s wing, and the constant double-dealing that required, finally came back to bite him. I let Denmark and Turkey know that I would be adopting their strategy. Two turns after the finger was pulled from the dike, Britain had a solo.


Jorge


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Michael Norton <mjn82(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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Congratulations Frank,

You definitely the deserved the victory!

Well, I asked for France and certainly made an early game mistake in my dipping. It was minimal the first turn as I was not only busy, but truly wanted a season to get a feel for the players. Big mistake. I had agreements in place with AH and Spain and a non-commital response from England that I thought would be sufficient.

I response I got a three way effort to dissemble France that quickly paired me to two centers. I quickly tried to craft another border agreement with Isaac and support from Austria to help fend off Frank. Isaac, once again violated the agreement immediately and that was pretty much the last time I had any real dipping with Spain.

Too survive I had to walk a fine line between AH and B, managing to get back to 3 centers, but it became obvious Jorge would never provide any help against Spain and I became convinced that S and A were very tight. I also flt A was never going to let me grow beyond 3 centers and that he telegraphed my last stab of Frank that should have brought me to 4 or possibly 5 centers. So I through my lot in with Frank, my goal being to help him solo as possible while surviving at the end of the game.

My most satisfying moment was the attack on Spain netting Barcelona and Madrid and evicting Isaac from Iberia.

So in retrospect, I should have pursued Austria or Britain aggressively early in the game. But i did have great fun playing with both of them.

I did think it was humorous that I got a complaint from a neighbor about being trustworthy when they had already stabbed me in the first year of the game. After a stab, all bets are off.

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Mike

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Ambition & Empire 090205 / DC240: Players &... - txurce   (Jun 09, 2009, 10:22 am)
Warren,

Most of your observations are on the money, but you're wrong on two points.


First, Spain never went back to Britain after multiple stabs.  After the French convoy stab, he "intermarried" with Austria and worked in tandem with me for the rest of the game.  It was only five years later, at my request (and trust me, solely to end a game that no longer mattered to him) that he supported Britain into Brc in exchange for support into Alg.  That hardly constitutes "going back for more stabs."


Second, France didn't say that no one else offered him any sort of deal (although I can see why you misread his EOG that way).  I offered him two separate deals - one in winter 1763 and another, better one in 1768 - that France accepted.  France explained why he chose to break those deals: a better offer the first time around, (undeserved) mistrust the second.


In my opinion, a sustained effort by France against Britain in tandem with Austria could have stopped the solo.  However, France was in the difficult position of trying not to thrive, but just survive, from the first turn on.  If anyone deserves to be cut slack for taking his eyes off the British ball, it's him.


Jorge




On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 8:00 AM, Warren Ball <warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com ([email]warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Alas, where there is a solo, there is also finger pointing.  So & so #1 didn't communicate, so & so #2 played bad tactics that allowed the solo, etc.
 
As I pointed out b4 the EoG's, Frank won because of 2 reasons.  (1) he is the most experienced player in the variant (2) he stabbed people whose "retaliation" was then going back for MORE stabs, over & over.  Let me now add a 3rd- Frank's tactics were indeed exemplary.
 
France was the player who kept going back for more stabs (followed by Spain).  But he made clear in his EoG, y he did that.  Nobody else was going to give him any kind of deal, so he stuck w/Frank after the initial stab.   I don't agree w/that kind of thinking (I always go after the stabber) but I understand.  This is a game of alliances & if you're not going to give somebody something reasonable, he's not gonna ally w/u.

So it's easy to criticize France but nobody offered him anything & France was never in position to stop the solo.  What happened to all the players who couldn't temporarily put their conflicts on hold, to stop the solo?  Everyone else lost, when England won. 
 
So b4 pointing fingers at any individual player, all the other players should stop & think what THEY could have done, to stop the solo.

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Mark <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]mdemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

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From: Mark <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]mdemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: Ambition & Empire 090205 / DC240: Players & Powers

To: "Jorge Saralegui" <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Nick Higgins" <congressofvienna1814(at)yahoo.com ([email]congressofvienna1814(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, frankmartin(at)surewest.net ([email]frankmartin(at)surewest.net[/email]), "Warren Ball" <warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com ([email]warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "to jeffrey kase" <jeffreykase(at)yahoo.com ([email]jeffreykase(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, nathanbalbright(at)yahoo.com ([email]nathanbalbright(at)yahoo.com[/email]), davidchegould(at)bigpond.com ([email]davidchegould(at)bigpond.com[/email]), David.Gould(at)aph.gov.au ([email]David.Gould(at)aph.gov.au[/email]), kelly058(at)verizon.net ([email]kelly058(at)verizon.net[/email]), smileyrob68(at)gmail.com ([email]smileyrob68(at)gmail.com[/email]), isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com ([email]isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com[/email]), VonPowell(at)aol.com ([email]VonPowell(at)aol.com[/email]), "Chris Dziedzic" <dipping_chris(at)yahoo.com ([email]dipping_chris(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, toosauto(at)gmail.com ([email]toosauto(at)gmail.com[/email]), dc240(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc240(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]), stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]), c.p.mcinerney(at)gmail.com ([email]c.p.mcinerney(at)gmail.com[/email]), karsten.nitsch(at)gmx.de ([email]karsten.nitsch(at)gmx.de[/email]), former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]), Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net ([email]Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net[/email]), "Michael Norton" <mjn82(at)yahoo.com ([email]mjn82(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:46 AM

Since I've been assailed as an uncommunicative player it's time to correct that impression.

In response to Poland, I initially attempted to communicate with you but received no response.  I'll forward the emails I sent asking what the army in Lusatia was going to do in fall of 63 to which I got no response.  Communication between us at that point would have been vital, as you could have gained a third center in the center instead of holing up in my roach motel.  The only other communication I received from you was a truce after you took an SC from me.  That truce had no terms, except "that you weren't giving up any of your conquests" and didn't outine any expectations for a working relationship.  Don't waste my email space with drivel like that.

There was no substantial attempt by Russia to establish communication, nor, after year one was there much of a point, given that all of your forces were attempting to stop sweden in the north.  At that point non existant plans for courland seemed rather pointless.  Given that my forces were similarly disposed there wasn't much use in us communicating.

As for Jorge, yeah, I miscued on that move.  Also, I'm only human, and I got a little irritated at how your strategies always seemed to benefit everyone else you were in a working relationship with but me, Frank referred to that as "austrian diplomacy" and that was the blowback.  In retrospect, it was a mistake, but I didn't really gain much from allying with you did I?

Overall, I was displeased with my choice of power, and how I played the game, but I was not at all surprised by the outcome given that Denmark and Turkey were doing everything they could do to make sure that Britain soloed.  I'm not entirely sure why Turkey and Denmark fell for the lame threat construction (OMG AUSTRIA IS GOING TO SOLO) even though he was clearly on the defensive after plateuing at 8 centers, but we all can't be as smart as I am.

As an afterword, it was kind of hard, for me at least, to tell what spaces on the map bordered which (particularly Dre and Lus), and for that matter which units were where.      


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com> wrote:

[quote:c315c7116a] I would like to thank the academy… I have never made more of an effort, had worse results, or enjoyed a game more than I did this one (well, except for the time I came back from the dead to eliminate board leader Ray Bruce).  That is meant to be a high compliment to Jeff and Baron, whose variant is currently my favorite version of Diplomacy, bar none.  It’s an even bigger compliment to Nick, who managed this game expertly, offered entertaining public commentary, and engaged in a running dialogue with me that provided welcome A&E history as well as circumspect commentary on my orders (which I explained in detail).  Finally I appreciated the dedication of all the players, which resulted in no NMR’s (technically, anyway!) and considered play by just about all.
My game could be divided into two phases.  Let’s call the first one:
Why I failed to solo
This was my first time playing A&E.  Austria’s advantage was obviously biggest at the start, and I mapped out a strategy to solo in as little as four years.  The key was destroying France,  which would give me enough access to the central neutrals that I would only need to pick up a center or two from a northern power in order to quickly and inoffensively win.  I allied with Britain and Spain, offering them all of the French spoils.  My intent was to give each of them exctly what they wanted, while growing faster than either of them could.  I made a deal with Turkey that gave me TwS in exchange for not building any fleets, neutrality pacts with Prussia and Poland, and encouraged Denmark and Sweden to ally.  1763 played out like it did on my chalkboard, permanently crippling France.
1764 brought first war with Turkey, who was understandably unhappy over how well I was doing under our agreement, and then with Britain, who made peace with France in order to stop me.  My mistake here was to agree to help France survive, with only a vague sense of how that would help me.  But the bottom line was that I was still in good shape for a solo, due mainly to the neutrals I had stacked up in reserve.
1765 was my year of frustration.  Spain had joined with Britain and Turkey against me and France, but I convinced Spain (correctly) that he would ultimately be sandwiched by Britain and Turkey.  We agreed that he would help France (who remained unaware of these plans) and that he could position himself to take Africa by seemingly moving in on me.  This could have resulted in a sweep of the Med.  Unfortunately, we miscommunicated on an order, and had to wait another year to try again.  That chance would never come.
At the same time, I thought I had allied with Prussia, whose uncommunicativeness had left him isolated and in trouble.  Thus, when Poland and Turkey made a move on Bud in the spring, I retreated to the west, counting on Prussia to cut any attack on Bud.  That fall I orchestrated a complicated set of orders that would have given me a third fleet against Turkey, and victory in the SE while keeping Britain at bay.  Only one thing went wrong: Prussia stabbed me, costing me Bud.  For no reason, no gain – we were back to cooperating vaguely from then on – and only because of one of several dubious last-minute deadline extensions requested to finalize stabs this game.  Those are the breaks, and that was the end of my controlling my own destiny.
Why I couldn’t stop Britain from soloing Having conceded my sprint, I told France – just stabbed by Britain – to retreat into Dre (my SC).  The very next turn – spring of 1766 – France joined Britain’s stab of Spain.  Ironically, this killed my plan to restore France, and of course did France no good.  I rolled with the punch and approached Turkey about allying against the stabbing corner power who had now tied for the lead.  After extremely long negotiations, Turkey agreed, if I disbanded one of my fleets.  This was fine with me, since my goal was to stop Britain in his tracks.  I executed a switch with Spain where he took two of my Italian centers, and we convoyed one of my armies to Spain.  If I wasn’t going to solo, then neither was Britain.
Or so I thought.  In spring of 1767, Turkey stabbed me.  Given our absurdly long negotiations, and how sloppily the stab was executed, I believed his denial.  So he stabbed me again in the fall.  Imagine my embarrassment.  I was essentially no worse off than before, but Spain had been reduced to reliable adjunct status.  And Turkey probably felt that he had elevated himself into Contender status, since he was tied for the lead with Britain at 8, while resurgent Denmark and I were at 7.
A word about Contender #3: After David patiently and expertly stabbed his way to viability, I encouraged him to ally with Prussia against Britain, but he chose to stab Prussia and add to his center count.  I feel that this is where an excellent, even exemplary, game was lost: Denmark didn’t have the nerve to take on Britain under reasonable conditions, and rationalized it by staying close as he worked with Britain for his own gain while counting on me to slow down the Brits.
And count on me he could.  In 1768 I decided not to do the obvious – regroup by retaking Bud or my loaned-out Italian centers – and stay focused on the big picture.  I kept applying as much pressure as possible on Britain, and counterattacked Turkey with what was left.  Of tremendous help was the game-long DP support I had, which I attributed to diligence, verifiable straightforwardness, and the fact that I needed them to stay afloat in the Med while I tried to stop Britain.  I convinced France to rejoin me, and helped him take Brc from Turkey.  But to our frustration, we failed to also retake Mar from Britain when Spain couldn’t be reached to change his orders.  An effort to go for HeW instead fell short when Britain switched his orders at the last moment.  By the end of the year Turkey had lost his gains and I controlled Italy once again, but I had made no progress in slowing Britain.
That winter I built an army instead of a fleet to once again convince Turkey to stop the British solo.  But Turkey continued to pressure me in the spring of 1769, and Britain stabbed Denmark, seemingly giving him the game.  Surprisingly Britain shifted gears in the fall and spared Denmark to stab Turkey.  He would have paid for it had France not lied to me about where he was moving, sparing Britain from losing HeW.  France told me he thought I had tipped off Britain about our attack the prior turn – something so nutty that I could explain it only by the fact that France stabbed (and was stabbed by Britain) so often that he saw only subterfuge behind every move.  The only thing that could have surprised me more was Turkey refusing yet another offer on my part to stop a 12-dot Britain.  Two years after stabbing me in favor of Britain, Britain was up four, I was up one, and he was down two.  But to the amusement of all my correspondents, Turkey continued to ignore the big picture, abandoning Mor in order to keep the pressure on me.
A word about Contender #2: Frank stabbed even more frequently than Denmark, with the downside of being board leader, and made it worse by laughing about it in his press (which I found useful because it sometimes revealed that he was allied with someone I hadn’t suspected).  I had no doubt that it would all come back to haunt him, if I just stayed the course and played to stop Britain.  It took me until almost the end of the game to give him the credit he deserved.  His tactical game was flawless; the worst that I could say is that he should have finished off Denmark rather than shifting south, and there’s no way to call that a clear error.  Early on he correctly convinced the board that I was a threat to solo.  And he played Denmark and Turkey expertly after that, using very different piano keys, so that neither ever did anything to stop him.  (I don’t think anyone played France – he played himself.)  With as much effort and example as I put into my diplomacy, Frank did a better job – an amazing job - where it counted.
1770 dawned with Denmark making his annual promise that this year he really, really was going to attack Britain, Turkey loading both barrels for Austria, and France on Britain’s side for good.  Forget soloing – there was nobody viable willing to stop Britain and play for a draw.  I could either accept that, or continue fighting a 360-degree holding action that would possibly give the game to Denmark.  I had zero reason to do that for David; his unwillingness to move out from under Britain’s wing, and the constant double-dealing that required, finally came back to bite him.  I let Denmark and Turkey know that I would be adopting their strategy.  Two turns after the finger was pulled from the dike, Britain had a solo.


Jorge


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Michael Norton <mjn82(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
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Congratulations Frank, 

You definitely the deserved the victory!

Well,  I asked for France and certainly made an early game mistake in my dipping.  It was minimal the first turn as I was not only busy,  but truly wanted a season to get a feel for the players.  Big mistake.  I had agreements in place with AH and Spain and a non-commital response from England that I thought would be sufficient. 

I response I got a three way effort to dissemble France that quickly paired me to two centers.  I quickly tried to craft another border agreement with Isaac and support from Austria to help fend off Frank.  Isaac, once again violated the agreement immediately and that was pretty much the last time I had any real dipping with Spain. 

Too survive I had to walk a fine line between AH and B,  managing to get back to 3 centers, but it became obvious Jorge would never provide any help against Spain and I became convinced that S and A were very tight.  I also flt A was never going to let me grow beyond 3 centers and that he telegraphed my last stab of Frank that should have brought me to 4 or possibly 5 centers.  So I through my lot in with Frank,  my goal being to help him solo as possible while surviving at the end of the game. 

My most satisfying moment was the attack on Spain netting Barcelona and Madrid and evicting Isaac from Iberia.

So in retrospect, I should have pursued Austria or Britain aggressively early in the game.  But i did have great fun playing with both of them.

I did think it was humorous that I got a complaint from a neighbor about being trustworthy when they had already stabbed me in the first year of the game.  After a stab, all bets are off.

Enjoyed playing with all of you.

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Ambition & Empire 090205 / DC240: Players &... - warren_k_ball@yahoo.com   (Jun 09, 2009, 10:00 am)
Alas, where there is a solo, there is also finger pointing. So & so #1 didn't communicate, so & so #2 played bad tactics that allowed the solo, etc.

As I pointed out b4 the EoG's, Frank won because of 2 reasons. (1) he is the most experienced player in the variant (2) he stabbed people whose "retaliation" was then going back for MORE stabs, over & over. Let me now add a 3rd- Frank's tactics were indeed exemplary.

France was the player who kept going back for more stabs (followed by Spain). But he made clear in his EoG, y he did that. Nobody else was going to give him any kind of deal, so he stuck w/Frank after the initial stab. I don't agree w/that kind of thinking (I always go after the stabber) but I understand. This is a game of alliances & if you're not going to give somebody something reasonable, he's not gonna ally w/u.

So it's easy to criticize France but nobody offered him anything & France was never in position to stop the solo. What happened to all the players who couldn't temporarily put their conflicts on hold, to stop the solo? Everyone else lost, when England won.

So b4 pointing fingers at any individual player, all the other players should stop & think what THEY could have done, to stop the solo.

--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Mark <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com> wrote:


From: Mark <mdemagogue(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ambition & Empire 090205 / DC240: Players & Powers
To: "Jorge Saralegui" <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>
Cc: "Nick Higgins" <congressofvienna1814(at)yahoo.com>, frankmartin(at)surewest.net, "Warren Ball" <warren_k_ball(at)yahoo.com>, "to jeffrey kase" <jeffreykase(at)yahoo.com>, nathanbalbright(at)yahoo.com, davidchegould(at)bigpond.com, David.Gould(at)aph.gov.au, kelly058(at)verizon.net, smileyrob68(at)gmail.com, isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com, VonPowell(at)aol.com, "Chris Dziedzic" <dipping_chris(at)yahoo.com>, toosauto(at)gmail.com, dc240(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, c.p.mcinerney(at)gmail.com, karsten.nitsch(at)gmx.de, former.trout(at)gmail.com, Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net, "Michael Norton" <mjn82(at)yahoo.com>
Date: Tuesday, June 9, 2009, 12:46 AM

Since I've been assailed as an uncommunicative player it's time to correct that impression.

In response to Poland, I initially attempted to communicate with you but received no response. I'll forward the emails I sent asking what the army in Lusatia was going to do in fall of 63 to which I got no response. Communication between us at that point would have been vital, as you could have gained a third center in the center instead of holing up in my roach motel. The only other communication I received from you was a truce after you took an SC from me. That truce had no terms, except "that you weren't giving up any of your conquests" and didn't outine any expectations for a working relationship. Don't waste my email space with drivel like that.

There was no substantial attempt by Russia to establish communication, nor, after year one was there much of a point, given that all of your forces were attempting to stop sweden in the north. At that point non existant plans for courland seemed rather pointless. Given that my forces were similarly disposed there wasn't much use in us communicating.

As for Jorge, yeah, I miscued on that move. Also, I'm only human, and I got a little irritated at how your strategies always seemed to benefit everyone else you were in a working relationship with but me, Frank referred to that as "austrian diplomacy" and that was the blowback. In retrospect, it was a mistake, but I didn't really gain much from allying with you did I?

Overall, I was displeased with my choice of power, and how I played the game, but I was not at all surprised by the outcome given that Denmark and Turkey were doing everything they could do to make sure that Britain soloed. I'm not entirely sure why Turkey and Denmark fell for the lame threat construction (OMG AUSTRIA IS GOING TO SOLO) even though he was clearly on the defensive after plateuing at 8 centers, but we all can't be as smart as I am.

As an afterword, it was kind of hard, for me at least, to tell what spaces on the map bordered which (particularly Dre and Lus), and for that matter which units were where.

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 8:55 PM, Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:c19a0e632a] I would like to thank the academy… I have never made more of an effort, had worse results, or enjoyed a game more than I did this one (well, except for the time I came back from the dead to eliminate board leader Ray Bruce). That is meant to be a high compliment to Jeff and Baron, whose variant is currently my favorite version of Diplomacy, bar none. It’s an even bigger compliment to Nick, who managed this game expertly, offered entertaining public commentary, and engaged in a running dialogue with me that provided welcome A&E history as well as circumspect commentary on my orders (which I explained in detail). Finally I appreciated the dedication of all the players, which resulted in no NMR’s (technically, anyway!) and considered play by just about all.
My game could be divided into two phases. Let’s call the first one:
Why I failed to solo
This was my first time playing A&E. Austria’s advantage was obviously biggest at the start, and I mapped out a strategy to solo in as little as four years. The key was destroying France, which would give me enough access to the central neutrals that I would only need to pick up a center or two from a northern power in order to quickly and inoffensively win. I allied with Britain and Spain, offering them all of the French spoils. My intent was to give each of them exctly what they wanted, while growing faster than either of them could. I made a deal with Turkey that gave me TwS in exchange for not building any fleets, neutrality pacts with Prussia and Poland, and encouraged Denmark and Sweden to ally. 1763 played out like it did on my chalkboard, permanently crippling France.
1764 brought first war with Turkey, who was understandably unhappy over how well I was doing under our agreement, and then with Britain, who made peace with France in order to stop me. My mistake here was to agree to help France survive, with only a vague sense of how that would help me. But the bottom line was that I was still in good shape for a solo, due mainly to the neutrals I had stacked up in reserve.
1765 was my year of frustration. Spain had joined with Britain and Turkey against me and France, but I convinced Spain (correctly) that he would ultimately be sandwiched by Britain and Turkey. We agreed that he would help France (who remained unaware of these plans) and that he could position himself to take Africa by seemingly moving in on me. This could have resulted in a sweep of the Med. Unfortunately, we miscommunicated on an order, and had to wait another year to try again. That chance would never come.
At the same time, I thought I had allied with Prussia, whose uncommunicativeness had left him isolated and in trouble. Thus, when Poland and Turkey made a move on Bud in the spring, I retreated to the west, counting on Prussia to cut any attack on Bud. That fall I orchestrated a complicated set of orders that would have given me a third fleet against Turkey, and victory in the SE while keeping Britain at bay. Only one thing went wrong: Prussia stabbed me, costing me Bud. For no reason, no gain – we were back to cooperating vaguely from then on – and only because of one of several dubious last-minute deadline extensions requested to finalize stabs this game. Those are the breaks, and that was the end of my controlling my own destiny.
Why I couldn’t stop Britain from soloing Having conceded my sprint, I told France – just stabbed by Britain – to retreat into Dre (my SC). The very next turn – spring of 1766 – France joined Britain’s stab of Spain. Ironically, this killed my plan to restore France, and of course did France no good. I rolled with the punch and approached Turkey about allying against the stabbing corner power who had now tied for the lead. After extremely long negotiations, Turkey agreed, if I disbanded one of my fleets. This was fine with me, since my goal was to stop Britain in his tracks. I executed a switch with Spain where he took two of my Italian centers, and we convoyed one of my armies to Spain. If I wasn’t going to solo, then neither was Britain.
Or so I thought. In spring of 1767, Turkey stabbed me. Given our absurdly long negotiations, and how sloppily the stab was executed, I believed his denial. So he stabbed me again in the fall. Imagine my embarrassment. I was essentially no worse off than before, but Spain had been reduced to reliable adjunct status. And Turkey probably felt that he had elevated himself into Contender status, since he was tied for the lead with Britain at 8, while resurgent Denmark and I were at 7.
A word about Contender #3: After David patiently and expertly stabbed his way to viability, I encouraged him to ally with Prussia against Britain, but he chose to stab Prussia and add to his center count. I feel that this is where an excellent, even exemplary, game was lost: Denmark didn’t have the nerve to take on Britain under reasonable conditions, and rationalized it by staying close as he worked with Britain for his own gain while counting on me to slow down the Brits.
And count on me he could. In 1768 I decided not to do the obvious – regroup by retaking Bud or my loaned-out Italian centers – and stay focused on the big picture. I kept applying as much pressure as possible on Britain, and counterattacked Turkey with what was left. Of tremendous help was the game-long DP support I had, which I attributed to diligence, verifiable straightforwardness, and the fact that I needed them to stay afloat in the Med while I tried to stop Britain. I convinced France to rejoin me, and helped him take Brc from Turkey. But to our frustration, we failed to also retake Mar from Britain when Spain couldn’t be reached to change his orders. An effort to go for HeW instead fell short when Britain switched his orders at the last moment. By the end of the year Turkey had lost his gains and I controlled Italy once again, but I had made no progress in slowing Britain.
That winter I built an army instead of a fleet to once again convince Turkey to stop the British solo. But Turkey continued to pressure me in the spring of 1769, and Britain stabbed Denmark, seemingly giving him the game. Surprisingly Britain shifted gears in the fall and spared Denmark to stab Turkey. He would have paid for it had France not lied to me about where he was moving, sparing Britain from losing HeW. France told me he thought I had tipped off Britain about our attack the prior turn – something so nutty that I could explain it only by the fact that France stabbed (and was stabbed by Britain) so often that he saw only subterfuge behind every move. The only thing that could have surprised me more was Turkey refusing yet another offer on my part to stop a 12-dot Britain. Two years after stabbing me in favor of Britain, Britain was up four, I was up one, and he was down two. But to the amusement of all my correspondents, Turkey continued to ignore the big picture, abandoning Mor in order to keep the pressure on me.
A word about Contender #2: Frank stabbed even more frequently than Denmark, with the downside of being board leader, and made it worse by laughing about it in his press (which I found useful because it sometimes revealed that he was allied with someone I hadn’t suspected). I had no doubt that it would all come back to haunt him, if I just stayed the course and played to stop Britain. It took me until almost the end of the game to give him the credit he deserved. His tactical game was flawless; the worst that I could say is that he should have finished off Denmark rather than shifting south, and there’s no way to call that a clear error. Early on he correctly convinced the board that I was a threat to solo. And he played Denmark and Turkey expertly after that, using very different piano keys, so that neither ever did anything to stop him. (I don’t think anyone played France – he played himself.) With as much effort and example as I put into my diplomacy, Frank did a better job – an amazing job - where it counted.
1770 dawned with Denmark making his annual promise that this year he really, really was going to attack Britain, Turkey loading both barrels for Austria, and France on Britain’s side for good. Forget soloing – there was nobody viable willing to stop Britain and play for a draw. I could either accept that, or continue fighting a 360-degree holding action that would possibly give the game to Denmark. I had zero reason to do that for David; his unwillingness to move out from under Britain’s wing, and the constant double-dealing that required, finally came back to bite him. I let Denmark and Turkey know that I would be adopting their strategy. Two turns after the finger was pulled from the dike, Britain had a solo.

Jorge


On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 3:00 PM, Michael Norton <mjn82(at)yahoo.com ([email]mjn82(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:c19a0e632a]
Congratulations Frank,

You definitely the deserved the victory!

Well, I asked for France and certainly made an early game mistake in my dipping. It was minimal the first turn as I was not only busy, but truly wanted a season to get a feel for the players. Big mistake. I had agreements in place with AH and Spain and a non-commital response from England that I thought would be sufficient.

I response I got a three way effort to dissemble France that quickly paired me to two centers. I quickly tried to craft another border agreement with Isaac and support from Austria to help fend off Frank. Isaac, once again violated the agreement immediately and that was pretty much the last time I had any real dipping with Spain.

Too survive I had to walk a fine line between AH and B, managing to get back to 3 centers, but it became obvious Jorge would never provide any help against Spain and I became convinced that S and A were very tight. I also flt A was never going to let me grow beyond 3 centers and that he telegraphed my last stab of Frank that should have brought me to 4 or possibly 5 centers. So I through my lot in with Frank, my goal being to help him solo as possible while surviving at the end of the game.

My most satisfying moment was the attack on Spain netting Barcelona and Madrid and evicting Isaac from Iberia.

So in retrospect, I should have pursued Austria or Britain aggressively early in the game. But i did have great fun playing with both of them.

I did think it was humorous that I got a complaint from a neighbor about being trustworthy when they had already stabbed me in the first year of the game. After a stab, all bets are off.

Enjoyed playing with all of you.

Mike

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dc246 summer 1911 retreat - coryfucius   (Jun 09, 2009, 9:51 am)
The English army retreats into what was part of Germany, before that country fell into English hands.

Fall 1911 orders will be due Thursday 6/11 at 3pm Central (US) / 20:00 GMT. Along with your orders, please cast your vote on the following endgame proposal: a 2-way draw between England and Turkey.

Cory

-----

Summer 1911 retreat:

England:
A Burgundy - Ruhr

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dc246 summer 1911 retreat (Winter Blitz) m_don_j Jun 09, 12:35 pm
Open NO to that draw!

/ Mikael

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:51:16 -0700
From: coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: dc246 summer 1911 retreat
To: kielmarch(at)hotmail.com; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; speedybunny(at)orange.fr; m_don_j(at)hotmail.com; orders(at)diplomaticcorp.com; the_great_pintoski(at)hotmail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net; babaktalebi(at)gmail.com; mwxtodd(at)gmail.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; Maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk

.ExternalClass DIV {;} The English army retreats into what was part of Germany, before that country fell into English hands.

Fall 1911 orders will be due Thursday 6/11 at 3pm Central (US) / 20:00 GMT. Along with your orders, please cast your vote on the following endgame proposal: a 2-way draw between England and Turkey.

Cory

-----

Summer 1911 retreat:

England:
A Burgundy - Ruhr


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dc246 summer 1911 retreat (Winter Blitz) m_don_j Jun 09, 12:35 pm
Open NO to that draw!

/ Mikael

Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 07:51:16 -0700
From: coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: dc246 summer 1911 retreat
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.ExternalClass DIV {;} The English army retreats into what was part of Germany, before that country fell into English hands.

Fall 1911 orders will be due Thursday 6/11 at 3pm Central (US) / 20:00 GMT. Along with your orders, please cast your vote on the following endgame proposal: a 2-way draw between England and Turkey.

Cory

-----

Summer 1911 retreat:

England:
A Burgundy - Ruhr


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dc249 Torjik: S11 Results - EGP's Voted Down, Retr... - garry.bledsoe   (Jun 09, 2009, 8:42 am)
Sorry Fletch but in tournament, where there are such short deadlines, reminders become almost impossible and are not guaranteed. Normally, I would allow a 24 hr grace period for orders not received; however, due to the tournament deadlines, I cannot allow that flexibility.

garry

Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:06:07 -0700
From: tfletch33(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: dc249 Torjik: S11 Results - EGP's Voted Down, Retreats Needed
To: kielmarch(at)hotmail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net; ndeily(at)yahoo.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; mrh(at)panix.com; gbimmerle(at)gmail.com; rick_powell_2000(at)yahoo.com; genea5613(at)aol.com; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com

.ExternalClass DIV {;} No 24 hour warning?


From: Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com>
To: mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net; ndeily(at)yahoo.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; mrh(at)panix.com; tfletch33(at)yahoo.com; gbimmerle(at)gmail.com; rick_powell_2000(at)yahoo.com; genea5613(at)aol.com; WB Orders <blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 5:57:57 PM
Subject: dc249 Torjik: S11 Results - EGP's Voted Down, Retreats Needed

.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} French NMR. Point of Clarification I am Seeking...on NMR's are Retreats Allowed.
RP Says NO But I Don't Think That is Right?
Russia Gets Pounded by the English But Can Retreat and Save Something.
Turkey Close to Elimination and Austria Closer to Victory.

All,
As mentioned above, I do have a question into the tournament directors and fellow GMs. RP disbands a dislodged unit when a NMR occurs [apparently] which I was not expecting. I do not know how to treat this. I have never had this occurrence [where a retreat was actually possible].

Regardless of that, we have two retreats:

F Den can retreat to HEL, BAL or OTB.
A Nwy can retreat to Swe or OTB.

Nathan I need those by tomorrow at 6pm CST. From there we shall proceed to Fall on Thursday at 6pm.

garry

Austria:
A Bulgaria Supports F Constantinople
A Burgundy - Belgium
F Constantinople Supports A Armenia - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Gulf of Lyon - Spain(sc)
A Marseilles Supports F Gulf of Lyon - Spain(sc)
A Naples - Rome
A Paris - Gascony
A Picardy Supports A Burgundy - Belgium
A Ruhr Supports A Burgundy - Belgium
A Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Serbia Supports A Rumania
F Trieste - Adriatic Sea
A Tunis - North Africa
A Tyrolia - Munich
A Venice - Tyrolia

England:
F Barents Sea Supports F Norwegian Sea - Norway
F Belgium - North Sea
F Holland - Kiel (*Fails*)
F Norwegian Sea - Norway
F Skagerrak Supports F Sweden - Denmark
F Sweden - Denmark

France:
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean, no move received
A Spain, no move received (*Disbanded*)

Russia:
A Armenia - Ankara
F Denmark Supports A Norway - Sweden (*Dislodged*)
A Finland Supports A Norway - Sweden (*Void*)
A Kiel Supports F Denmark (*Cut*)
A Livonia - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
A Norway, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F Sevastopol - Black Sea (*Bounce*)
A St Petersburg - Norway (*Fails*)

Turkey:
F Ankara - Black Sea (*Disbanded*)
A Smyrna Hold


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DC 247: S1911R - AceRimmer   (Jun 09, 2009, 8:31 am)
Turkey retreats to Eastern Med.

Reminder: Trout or Sims will adjudicate on Thu/Fri. Please send orders to orders(at)diplomaticcorp.com

Adam

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Dc226 End of Game - Tom.Hopkins at ainc-in...   (Jun 09, 2009, 8:27 am)
Thx all. Too bad we couldn't have seen this one play out properly.
Take 'er easy, and watch yer backs...
Tom


[quote:35889f9e14][quote:35889f9e14]Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com> 6/7/2009 8:59 AM >>>

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Dc 228



Yes, it was a long time coming but i wanted to check the last vote and then I became sick. However this game has ended in a DIAS.



Congratulations to Tom, Mark and Tim for sticking it out till the end.



Final Map is attached.



Stephen Lytton
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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: FA09 results. SOMETHING ELSE - packrat   (Jun 09, 2009, 8:12 am)
I have a proposal for an AG draw on the table so vote for that with
your adjustments.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>; mike(at)southwall.com
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:09:45 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: FA09 results. Retreats and adjustments needed.

Austrian F Tunis can retreat to North Africa.
Russian A Ukraine can retreat to Moscow.
Russian A Warsaw can retreat to Livonia or Moscow or Galicia.


The adjustments below assume all units retreat OTB -
Austria: Supp 8 Unit 8 Build 0 Remove 1 if retreat is not OTB
England: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
France: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 1
Germany: Supp 9 Unit 7 Build 2
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Russia: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0 Removes 1 or 2 if 1 or 2 retreats are OTB
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0

I would like to process the retreats before the adjustments so lets have the retreats by Wednesday
at 2100 and the builds tentatively scheduled for Friday. If France and Germany don't care about the
retreats to decide their builds then we can do it all for Wednesday and move right along.

Yes, Turkey did NMR and he also has to Wednesday to let me know if he still wants to play this
game or not. If not I will CD the position

Austria:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
A Albania - Apulia
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Albania - Apulia
A Rumania Supports A Galicia - Ukraine
A Trieste Supports A Venice
F Tunis - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Dislodged*)
A Venice Supports A Albania - Apulia

France:
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold
F Wales - Liverpool

Germany:
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
F Gulf of Bothnia - St Petersburg(sc)
A Munich Supports A Burgundy
F North Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Prussia Supports A Silesia - Warsaw
A Silesia - Warsaw
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway (*Cut*)

Italy:
A Apulia - Venice (*Disbanded*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F Naples - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
A Tuscany - Rome
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis

Russia:
A Finland - Sweden (*Fails*)
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Ukraine - Rumania
A Ukraine - Rumania (*Dislodged*)
A Warsaw - Silesia (*Dislodged*)

Turkey:
F Armenia, no move received
A Constantinople, no move received
A Smyrna, no move received

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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: FA09 results. SOMETHING ELSE (dc218) TheWhiteWolf Jun 09, 12:26 pm
I voice a public no to any draw. Eliminate me or go for the win!

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--- On Tue, 6/9/09, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:


I have a proposal for an AG draw on the table so vote for that with
your adjustments.


From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com
Cc: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>; mike(at)southwall.com
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:09:45 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: FA09 results. Retreats and adjustments needed.

Austrian F Tunis can retreat to North Africa.
Russian A Ukraine can retreat to Moscow.
Russian A Warsaw can retreat to Livonia or Moscow or Galicia.


The adjustments below assume all units retreat OTB -
Austria: Supp 8 Unit 8 Build 0 Remove 1 if retreat is not OTB
England: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
France: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 1
Germany: Supp 9 Unit 7 Build 2
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Russia: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0 Removes 1 or 2 if 1 or 2 retreats are OTB
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0

I would like to process the retreats before the adjustments so lets have the retreats by Wednesday
at 2100 and the builds tentatively scheduled for Friday. If France and Germany don't care about the
retreats to decide their builds then we can do it all for Wednesday and move right along.

Yes, Turkey did NMR and he also has to Wednesday to let me know if he still wants to play this
game or not. If not I will CD the position

Austria:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
A Albania - Apulia
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Albania - Apulia
A Rumania Supports A Galicia - Ukraine
A Trieste Supports A Venice
F Tunis - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Dislodged*)
A Venice Supports A Albania - Apulia

France:
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold
F Wales - Liverpool

Germany:
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
F Gulf of Bothnia - St Petersburg(sc)
A Munich Supports A Burgundy
F North Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Prussia Supports A Silesia - Warsaw
A Silesia - Warsaw
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway (*Cut*)

Italy:
A Apulia - Venice (*Disbanded*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F Naples - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
A Tuscany - Rome
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis

Russia:
A Finland - Sweden (*Fails*)
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Ukraine - Rumania
A Ukraine - Rumania (*Dislodged*)
A Warsaw - Silesia (*Dislodged*)

Turkey:
F Armenia, no move received
A Constantinople, no move received
A Smyrna, no move received











Dc197 - 48 hour warning - deathblade_penguin   (Jun 09, 2009, 6:14 am)
Dc197 Fall 1914 is due next Thursday 11th June at 7pm, DST

I only have one set of moves, so get yours in.

No confirmation, means No moves.


Stephen "the Great" Lytton





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Dc241 Fall 1905 - deathblade_penguin   (Jun 09, 2009, 4:51 am)
Dc241 Fall 1905

Austria:
A Budapest Supports A Serbia (*Cut*)
A Serbia Supports A Budapest

England:
F Baltic Sea Convoys A Denmark - Prussia
F Barents Sea - Norwegian Sea
F Berlin - Kiel
A Denmark - Prussia
A Holland Supports A Yorkshire - Belgium
A Livonia - Moscow
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Belgium
A St Petersburg Supports A Livonia - Moscow
A Yorkshire - Belgium

France:
A Belgium Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Bohemia - Munich (*Bounce*)
A Galicia - Budapest (*Fails*)
A Marseilles Supports A Spain
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - North Africa
A Spain Supports A Marseilles
A Tyrolia - Piedmont
A Vienna Supports A Galicia - Budapest

Germany:
A Warsaw, no move received

Italy:
F Albania Supports F Greece
F Greece Supports F Albania (*Cut*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Western Mediterranean
A Trieste Supports F Venice
F Tuscany - Gulf of Lyon
F Venice Supports A Trieste

Russia:
A Sevastopol - Rumania
A Silesia - Munich (*Bounce*)
A Ukraine Supports A Sevastopol - Rumania

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Fails*)
A Armenia - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Supports A Armenia - Sevastopol
F Bulgaria(sc) Supports F Aegean Sea - Greece
A Rumania - Ukraine (*Disbanded*)

I'll run Autumn is due in 24 hours time
Autumn 1905
French A Belgium can retreat to Picardy or Ruhr or Burgundy.

Winter 1905 is due Thursday 11th at 7pm, Australian DST

England: Build Three

France: Remove One

Russia: Remove Two

Turkey: Build One


Stephen "the Great" Lytton





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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: FA09 results. Retreats and adju... - stevelytton at gmail.com   (Jun 09, 2009, 1:51 am)
I'll confirm retreat to North Africa.

2009/6/9 Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>

Austrian F Tunis can retreat to North Africa.
Russian A Ukraine can retreat to Moscow.
Russian A Warsaw can retreat to Livonia or Moscow or Galicia.


The adjustments below assume all units retreat OTB -
Austria:       Supp  8 Unit  8 Build  0 Remove 1 if retreat is not OTB
England:      Supp  0 Unit  0 Build  0
France:       Supp  5 Unit  3 Build  1
Germany:    Supp  9 Unit  7 Build  2
Italy:           Supp  6 Unit  6 Build  0
Russia:        Supp  3 Unit  3 Build  0 Removes 1 or 2 if 1 or 2 retreats are OTB
Turkey:       Supp  3 Unit  3 Build  0

I would like to process the retreats before the adjustments so lets have the retreats by Wednesday
at 2100 and the builds tentatively scheduled for Friday.  If France and Germany don't care about the
retreats to decide their builds then we can do it all for Wednesday and move right along.

Yes, Turkey did NMR and he also has to Wednesday to let me know if he still wants to play this
game or not.  If not I will CD the position

Austria:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
A Albania - Apulia
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Albania - Apulia
A Rumania Supports A Galicia - Ukraine
A Trieste Supports A Venice
F Tunis - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Dislodged*)
A Venice Supports A Albania - Apulia

France:
A Gascony - Marseilles
A Paris Hold
F Wales - Liverpool

Germany:
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
F Gulf of Bothnia - St Petersburg(sc)
A Munich Supports A Burgundy
F North Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Prussia Supports A Silesia - Warsaw
A Silesia - Warsaw
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway (*Cut*)

Italy:
A Apulia - Venice (*Disbanded*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F Naples - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
A Tuscany - Rome
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis

Russia:
A Finland - Sweden (*Fails*)
F Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Supports A Ukraine - Rumania
A Ukraine - Rumania (*Dislodged*)
A Warsaw - Silesia (*Dislodged*)

Turkey:
F Armenia, no move received
A Constantinople, no move received
A Smyrna, no move received












--
Stephen
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DC-230 Fall 06 Deadline Reminder - former.trout   (Jun 09, 2009, 12:29 am)
Heya heya,

Heya heya heya heya.


Heya heya heya.


Oh, and Fall 1906 orders are due in roughly 18.5 hours.


Have I said Heya yet?


Repetition Is Me Trout
Repetition Is Me Trout

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DC222 - Two Steps To Anarchy - Spring 09 Deadline... - former.trout   (Jun 09, 2009, 12:22 am)
Hey Two-Steppers,

Just dancing on the wire, feeling those good vibrations.  Deadline for Spring 1909 orders, as well as your yay or nay for the Russian solo vote, are due in roughly 18.5 hours.  If you haven't yet, send those vibes my way.  =)


Cheers!


Marky Mark Trout

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