| DCI 2008 Final Standings - deathblade_penguin (Dec 18, 2008, 4:22 am) |
Dci 2008
Organiser's Comment: I, for one, really enjoyed this year's DC. I know some players were not in favour of the gunboat game but overall I think the 2 games were played very well. All 11 of my 'selected' players played to 110% of their ability (again with one withdrawal from my original 6). I am amazed that both games have ended in 2008, when traditionally we normally finish around April but then I wonder if the Christmas season and upcoming winter blitz have been responsible the large number of DC games that are finishing at the moment.
I would like to thank all the players for their commitment to the games, and a special thankyou to the players who sent me comments, opinions, feedback and general emails as we went along. I particularly loved the diplomacy that was happening in the second game.
anyway - without further ado. Final Standings of the DCI 2008
In reverse order..
In 10th Position on 1 point is Derek Eyler.
In 9th Position on 1 point is Brian Lam
In 8th Position on 4 points is Lee Taylor
In 7th Position on 4 points is Nigel Phillips
In 6th Position on 4 points is Garry Bledsoe
In 5th Position on 7 points is Mike Sims
In 4th Position on 7.5 points is Mikael Johansson
In 3rd Position on 8.5 points is Clark Landry
In 2nd Position (and first runner up) on 10 points is Jorge Saralegui
so In 1st Position, a relative newcomer (perhaps his unknowness helped him in this year's diplomacy) is
Dan Dzikowicz.
Standings in the DCI ranking table.
At Start of Competition
Mike Sims 1st
Mikael 3rd
Clark 5th
Lee 7th
Jorge 9th
Nigel 16th
Brian 21st
Dan 23rd
Derek 27th
Garry 81st
At the end of the competetion, we have
Mike Sims 1st (no change)
Mikael 3rd (no change)
Nigel 5th (+11 positions)
Jorge 6th (+3 positions)
Clark 8th (-3 positions)
Brian 10th (+11 positions)
Derek 11th (+14 positions)
Lee 15th (-8 positions)
Dan 18th (+5 positions)
Garry 45th (+36 positions)
* But remember apart from the top 3, these rankings change A lot with every game...
Thankyou
Steve - DCI Tournament Director.
PS
Trout - if you are still reading, you are ranked 7th - 1 point behind Jorge!
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
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| DCI 2008 Final Standings (DC Invitational) former.trout Dec 18, 11:04 am |
Heya!
Congrats Dan. That's a pretty tough field that you came out on top of. =)
Hats off to all of you 2008 DCI'ers... In the struggle lies the glory, so they say.
Trout
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Subject: DCI 2008 Final Standings
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:21:48 +1100
Dci 2008
Organiser's Comment: I, for one, really enjoyed this year's DC. I know some players were not in favour of the gunboat game but overall I think the 2 games were played very well. All 11 of my 'selected' players played to 110% of their ability (again with one withdrawal from my original 6). I am amazed that both games have ended in 2008, when traditionally we normally finish around April but then I wonder if the Christmas season and upcoming winter blitz have been responsible the large number of DC games that are finishing at the moment.
I would like to thank all the players for their commitment to the games, and a special thankyou to the players who sent me comments, opinions, feedback and general emails as we went along. I particularly loved the diplomacy that was happening in the second game.
anyway - without further ado. Final Standings of the DCI 2008
In reverse order..
In 10th Position on 1 point is Derek Eyler.
In 9th Position on 1 point is Brian Lam
In 8th Position on 4 points is Lee Taylor
In 7th Position on 4 points is Nigel Phillips
In 6th Position on 4 points is Garry Bledsoe
In 5th Position on 7 points is Mike Sims
In 4th Position on 7.5 points is Mikael Johansson
In 3rd Position on 8.5 points is Clark Landry
In 2nd Position (and first runner up) on 10 points is Jorge Saralegui
so In 1st Position, a relative newcomer (perhaps his unknowness helped him in this year's diplomacy) is
Dan Dzikowicz.
Standings in the DCI ranking table.
At Start of Competition
Mike Sims 1st
Mikael 3rd
Clark 5th
Lee 7th
Jorge 9th
Nigel 16th
Brian 21st
Dan 23rd
Derek 27th
Garry 81st
At the end of the competetion, we have
Mike Sims 1st (no change)
Mikael 3rd (no change)
Nigel 5th (+11 positions)
Jorge 6th (+3 positions)
Clark 8th (-3 positions)
Brian 10th (+11 positions)
Derek 11th (+14 positions)
Lee 15th (-8 positions)
Dan 18th (+5 positions)
Garry 45th (+36 positions)
* But remember apart from the top 3, these rankings change A lot with every game...
Thankyou
Steve - DCI Tournament Director.
PS
Trout - if you are still reading, you are ranked 7th - 1 point behind Jorge!
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
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| DCI 2008 Final Standings (DC Invitational) cl2849 Dec 18, 11:53 am |
Congrats Dan! And thanks Steve for coordinating everything - was a lot of fun.
Best,
CL
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Heya!
Congrats Dan. That's a pretty tough field that you came out on top of. =)
Hats off to all of you 2008 DCI'ers... In the struggle lies the glory, so
they say.
Trout
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
wrote:
[quote:a7a418e48d]
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Subject: DCI 2008 Final Standings
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:21:48 +1100
Dci 2008
Organiser's Comment: I, for one, really enjoyed this year's DC. I know
some players were not in favour of the gunboat game but overall I think the
2 games were played very well. All 11 of my 'selected' players played to
110% of their ability (again with one withdrawal from my original 6). I am
amazed that both games have ended in 2008, when traditionally we normally
finish around April but then I wonder if the Christmas season and upcoming
winter blitz have been responsible the large number of DC games that are
finishing at the moment.
I would like to thank all the players for their commitment to the games,
and a special thankyou to the players who sent me comments, opinions,
feedback and general emails as we went along. I particularly loved the
diplomacy that was happening in the second game.
anyway - without further ado. Final Standings of the DCI 2008
In reverse order..
In 10th Position on 1 point is Derek Eyler.
In 9th Position on 1 point is Brian Lam
In 8th Position on 4 points is Lee Taylor
In 7th Position on 4 points is Nigel Phillips
In 6th Position on 4 points is Garry Bledsoe
In 5th Position on 7 points is Mike Sims
In 4th Position on 7.5 points is Mikael Johansson
In 3rd Position on 8.5 points is Clark Landry
In 2nd Position (and first runner up) on 10 points is Jorge Saralegui
so In 1st Position, a relative newcomer (perhaps his unknowness helped him
in this year's diplomacy) is
Dan Dzikowicz.
Standings in the DCI ranking table.
At Start of Competition
Mike Sims 1st
Mikael 3rd
Clark 5th
Lee 7th
Jorge 9th
Nigel 16th
Brian 21st
Dan 23rd
Derek 27th
Garry 81st
At the end of the competetion, we have
Mike Sims 1st (no change)
Mikael 3rd (no change)
Nigel 5th (+11 positions)
Jorge 6th (+3 positions)
Clark 8th (-3 positions)
Brian 10th (+11 positions)
Derek 11th (+14 positions)
Lee 15th (-8 positions)
Dan 18th (+5 positions)
Garry 45th (+36 positions)
* But remember apart from the top 3, these rankings change A lot with
every game...
Thankyou
Steve - DCI Tournament Director.
PS
Trout - if you are still reading, you are ranked 7th - 1 point behind
Jorge!
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
________________________________
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| DCI 2008 Final Standings (DC Invitational) txurce Dec 20, 01:07 pm |
Congratulations to Dan, whose efficiently ruthless play in both rounds clearly separated him from the other ten players, and earned him a victory he deserved more than anyone else. I'm very happy to have come in second in such a strong field. Steve, thanks a lot for designing, recruiting and managing an excellent tourney. Like Dan, I really enjoyed the gunboat variant in the opening round. This was my first time playing gunboat, but figuring out how to communicate despite the rule limitations was a lot of fun. In retrospect, the first round seemed to dictate much of the course of the second, with who had how many points directly affecting strategy. The most crucial example of this was Lee dropping out and being replaced by Garry, who had nothing to lose by shaking up the board. This is an argument against keeping score in the first game, and making it purely an elimination round in the future.
Jorge
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Clark Landry <clarklandry(at)gmail.com ([email]clarklandry(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Congrats Dan! And thanks Steve for coordinating everything - was a lot of fun.
Best,
CL
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:baf9c2f377]Heya!
Congrats Dan. That's a pretty tough field that you came out on top of. =)
Hats off to all of you 2008 DCI'ers... In the struggle lies the glory, so
they say.
Trout
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
wrote:
[quote:baf9c2f377]
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
________________________________
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Subject: DCI 2008 Final Standings
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:21:48 +1100
Dci 2008
Organiser's Comment: I, for one, really enjoyed this year's DC. I know
some players were not in favour of the gunboat game but overall I think the
2 games were played very well. All 11 of my 'selected' players played to
110% of their ability (again with one withdrawal from my original 6). I am
amazed that both games have ended in 2008, when traditionally we normally
finish around April but then I wonder if the Christmas season and upcoming
winter blitz have been responsible the large number of DC games that are
finishing at the moment.
I would like to thank all the players for their commitment to the games,
and a special thankyou to the players who sent me comments, opinions,
feedback and general emails as we went along. I particularly loved the
diplomacy that was happening in the second game.
anyway - without further ado. Final Standings of the DCI 2008
In reverse order..
In 10th Position on 1 point is Derek Eyler.
In 9th Position on 1 point is Brian Lam
In 8th Position on 4 points is Lee Taylor
In 7th Position on 4 points is Nigel Phillips
In 6th Position on 4 points is Garry Bledsoe
In 5th Position on 7 points is Mike Sims
In 4th Position on 7.5 points is Mikael Johansson
In 3rd Position on 8.5 points is Clark Landry
In 2nd Position (and first runner up) on 10 points is Jorge Saralegui
so In 1st Position, a relative newcomer (perhaps his unknowness helped him
in this year's diplomacy) is
Dan Dzikowicz.
Standings in the DCI ranking table.
At Start of Competition
Mike Sims 1st
Mikael 3rd
Clark 5th
Lee 7th
Jorge 9th
Nigel 16th
Brian 21st
Dan 23rd
Derek 27th
Garry 81st
At the end of the competetion, we have
Mike Sims 1st (no change)
Mikael 3rd (no change)
Nigel 5th (+11 positions)
Jorge 6th (+3 positions)
Clark 8th (-3 positions)
Brian 10th (+11 positions)
Derek 11th (+14 positions)
Lee 15th (-8 positions)
Dan 18th (+5 positions)
Garry 45th (+36 positions)
* But remember apart from the top 3, these rankings change A lot with
every game...
Thankyou
Steve - DCI Tournament Director.
PS
Trout - if you are still reading, you are ranked 7th - 1 point behind
Jorge!
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
________________________________
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| Dc214 End game - deathblade_penguin (Dec 18, 2008, 3:43 am) |
Dc214 Fall 1905
Well I made you wait an extra 2 days, but the FGT draw has passed.
Congratulations to
Mike Sims - France
Clark Landry - Germany
Dan Dzikowicz - Turkey
In 4th place, we have Jorge Saralegui as England (5 Sc)
In 5th place, we have Garry Bledsoe as Austria (4 Sc)
and joint 6th place we have Nigel Phillips - Russia (1 Sc) and Mikael Johansson - Italy (1 Sc)
I would love to hear some EG statement on this and the DCI.
It has been a pleasure to GM such a talented group of players.
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
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| Dc199 Spring 1909 - deathblade_penguin (Dec 18, 2008, 3:26 am) |
Dc199 Spring 1909
Austria:
F Adriatic Sea - Venice (*Bounce*)
F Apulia - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Galicia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Rome - Tuscany (*Dislodged*)
A Rumania Supports A Galicia (*Ordered to Move*)
A Trieste Supports A Venice - Tyrolia
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna Supports A Venice - Tyrolia
Germany:
F Barents Sea - St Petersburg(nc) (*Fails*)
A Berlin - Prussia
A Bohemia - Galicia
A Brest - Gascony
F Denmark - North Sea
F English Channel - Brest
A Gascony - Burgundy
A Livonia Supports A Warsaw
A Munich Supports A Tyrolia
F Norway Supports F Barents Sea - St Petersburg(nc)
A Silesia Supports A Warsaw
F Sweden - Finland
A Tyrolia Supports A Piedmont - Venice (*Dislodged*)
A Warsaw Supports A Bohemia - Galicia
Italy:
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Marseilles - Spain(sc)
F Naples - Rome
A Piedmont - Venice (*Bounce*)
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
A Tuscany Supports F Naples - Rome
Russia:
A Moscow Supports A St Petersburg
A Sevastopol Supports A Moscow
A St Petersburg Supports A Moscow (*Cut*)
A Ukraine Supports A Moscow
As all the summer retreats are one off, I have made them - the respective players have 48 hours to let me know
if they wish to disband.
Austrian A Galicia can retreat to Budapest.
Austrian F Rome can retreat to Tyrrhenian Sea.
German A Tyrolia can retreat to Bohemia.
Fall 1909 is still due next Tuesday 23rd at 8am GMT
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
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| DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication - simon.gwilliam at baes... (Dec 18, 2008, 2:47 am) |
I'm fine with the dates - I doubt I'd get much access to a computer over xmas anyway.
Durdatha whye
Simon H Gwilliam
Surface Ship Command Systems
simon.gwilliam(at)baesystems.com
Tel: 02083295931
Apex Tower, New Malden
From: F Bielschowsky [mailto:bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com]
Sent: 18 December 2008 02:02
To: dc223(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Doug Wooden (DC223 FRA); Gwilliam, Simon (UK); Jack McHugh - Flapjack (DC223 AH / DC201 Sverige); Joao Carvalho (DC223 RUS); Joshua Tag (DC223 TUR); Stefan Krekeler (DC223 GER); maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk; Simon Gwilliam
Cc: Former Trout (DC190 South Africa / DC176 Austria / DC195 Argentina / DC201 France); Steve Lytton (DC195 Columbia / DC201 Norge)
Subject: DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication
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Austria army Munich retreats to Bohemia.
Italy sees its units increase by 2 and Austria has to disband one.
What was that again about an alliance between Italy and Austria?
Ownership:
Austria: Budapest, Greece, Vienna.
England: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Sweden, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Smyrna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 3 Unit 4 Remove 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2
Russia: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Deadline for Winter 1902 adjustments is Sunday Dec 28, at 23:00 GMT.
If however I have all adjustments in before the 20th, I may adjudicate Winter before my departure.
In that case the Dec 28 deadline will be for Spring 1903.
Frank[Reply] |
| DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication - simon.gwilliam at baes... (Dec 18, 2008, 2:47 am) |
I'm fine with the dates - I doubt I'd get much access to a computer over xmas anyway.
Durdatha whye
Simon H Gwilliam
Surface Ship Command Systems
simon.gwilliam(at)baesystems.com
Tel: 02083295931
Apex Tower, New Malden
From: F Bielschowsky [mailto:bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com]
Sent: 18 December 2008 02:02
To: dc223(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Doug Wooden (DC223 FRA); Gwilliam, Simon (UK); Jack McHugh - Flapjack (DC223 AH / DC201 Sverige); Joao Carvalho (DC223 RUS); Joshua Tag (DC223 TUR); Stefan Krekeler (DC223 GER); maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk; Simon Gwilliam
Cc: Former Trout (DC190 South Africa / DC176 Austria / DC195 Argentina / DC201 France); Steve Lytton (DC195 Columbia / DC201 Norge)
Subject: DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication
*** WARNING ***
This mail has originated outside your organization,
either from an external partner or the Global Internet.
Keep this in mind if you answer this message.
Austria army Munich retreats to Bohemia.
Italy sees its units increase by 2 and Austria has to disband one.
What was that again about an alliance between Italy and Austria?
Ownership:
Austria: Budapest, Greece, Vienna.
England: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Sweden, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Smyrna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 3 Unit 4 Remove 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2
Russia: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Deadline for Winter 1902 adjustments is Sunday Dec 28, at 23:00 GMT.
If however I have all adjustments in before the 20th, I may adjudicate Winter before my departure.
In that case the Dec 28 deadline will be for Spring 1903.
Frank[Reply] |
| DC223 - Fall 1902 Adjudication - pieandmash (Dec 18, 2008, 2:27 am) |
Dates good with me. Merry Christmas chaps. Have a great break and enjoy finest English beef and scotch whisky courtesy of the royal navy
Sent from my iPhone
On 18 Dec 2008, at 00:32, "F Bielschowsky" <bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com> wrote:
Fall 1902: a reporter from The Gazette is quoted saying that the Austrian Emperor for sure will show his displeasure with this Fall's result. Perhaps the taking of Greece may make up for the loss of Munich, but having to retreat is a public disgrace. No doubt the other Powers will remind him of that! And 1902 has been a year where alliances have become much more visible: Italy and Austria seem to have a common goal in the Balkan and Austria has shown an early interest in Munich; Germany meanwhile seems to have gained the support from Russia; As to France and England, it is still unclear who their allies are.
The Austrian army in Munich can retreat to Ruhr or Bohemia or Tyrolia. Or OTB.
Austria:
F Albania - Greece
A Budapest Supports A Vienna - Galicia (*Cut*)
A Munich - Kiel (*Dislodged*)
A Vienna - Galicia (*Fails*)
England:
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
F North Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
F Norway - Sweden (*Bounce*)
A Yorkshire Hold
France:
A Burgundy - Belgium
A Gascony - Burgundy
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Hold
A Paris Supports A Gascony - Burgundy
A Picardy Supports A Burgundy - Belgium
Germany:
A Belgium - Holland
A Berlin - Munich
A Denmark - Kiel (*Bounce*)
F Helgoland Bight - Kiel (*Bounce*)
Italy:
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Serbia Supports F Albania - Greece
A Trieste Supports A Budapest
Russia:
A Galicia Supports A Rumania - Budapest (*Cut*)
A Moscow - St Petersburg
A Rumania - Budapest (*Fails*)
F Sevastopol Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia Supports A Berlin - Munich
F Skagerrak - Sweden (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Ankara - Constantinople (*Fails*)
A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
F Smyrna - Aegean Sea
Deadline for Autumn 1902 retreat for Austria is Thursday, Dec 18 at 23:00 GMT.
Please note that any orders for Summer or Autumn are considered Final by default. So unless the retreats clearly state Prelims, the retreat orders will be adjudicated as soon as all retreat orders are in.
NOTE: I will be away, without access to the Internet from Saturday Dec 20 until Sunday Dec 28.
So I'd like to suggest that the deadline for Winter 1902 will be Sunday Dec 28, at 23:00 GMT.
And Spring 1903 on Sunday Jan 4, at 23:00 GMT.
Any objections to these dates, please let me asap.
Frank
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| Delay - deathblade_penguin (Dec 18, 2008, 1:22 am) |
Work has been hell. I'll get to the game as soon as I can.
apologies.
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
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| Delay - deathblade_penguin (Dec 18, 2008, 1:21 am) |
Work has been hell. I'll get to the games as soon as I can.
apologies.
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
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| DC190 - Adjustments - worldwidegm at gmail.com (Dec 18, 2008, 1:14 am) |
Hey everyone... I've got bad news... bad news... and then some news that makes the bad news more bearable.
1) I don't have adjustments from everyone yet. The deadline was on Tuesday, but I've giving extra time because of #2.
2) I messed up the map big time. I decided to try something to make it harder for me to lose units so often and have now discovered that I saved the units right onto the background. So basically, I have to redo the entire map. Sucks for me.
3) The better news is that I've managed to find a basic map with just the original coloring and no names or units on it, so that'll cut down the time needed significantly. Please have patience as I try to put that back together.
In the meantime, I welcome the missing orders and I'll get back to you when I can. (Note: the next map may hark back to the paint days, just so I can get it out.) We won't run the next spring moves until after the holidays.
mvp[Reply] |
| DC 225 Game On! - AlanRFarrington (Dec 18, 2008, 12:25 am) |
From: alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com
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Subject: DC 225 Game On!
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:38:55 -0500
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} It is the spring of 1901, a dark cloud sweeps over Europe. War looks to be all but inevitable. Seven brilliant diplomats take their seats around the table to decide the fate of the continent.
In England we have Prime Minister Mark Utterback
ID : MDemagogue
Ctry : England
Name : Mark Utterback
Email : MDemagogue(at)gmail.com
Location : Omaha, NE, US
In France we have Monsieur Anthony Stevens
ID : FLTeacher
Ctry : France
Name : Anthony Stevens
Email : AandTStevens(at)GMail.com
Location : Groveland, FL, US
In Germany we have Kaiser Jyri Syrja
ID : jyan
Ctry : Germany
Name : Jyri Syrjä
Email : jyjusy(at)hotmail.com
Location : FI
In cold Russia we have the warm Rachael Jameson
ID : Verticallychallangedcutie
Ctry : Russia
Name : Rachael Jameson
Email : verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com
Location : Augusta, GA, US
The archduke of Austria will be played by Santiago Villamayor
ID : Villamayor
Ctry : Austria
Name : Santiago Villamayor
Email : svillamayor(at)mail.cl
Location :
The Capo dello Stato (President of the Italian Republic) is Mike Cassel
ID : mcas125
Ctry : Italy
Name : Mike Cassel
Email : mc3358a(at)student.american.edu
Location : Washington, DC, US
The proud Ottoman Empire will be headed by Sultan Michael Holm
ID : Zipholm
Ctry : Turkey 4
Name : Michael Holm
Email : Zipholm(at)hotmail.com
Location : Hvidovre, DK
Now that we are familiar with the players it is time to get to it! It is time for the seven of you to decide the fate of Europe!
(A couple more notes--feel free to CC me on any diplomatic communication you may have, and make sure my files will work for you)
I'm going to set the first deadline at Monday December 22nd midnight GMT if anyone has a problem with this being right before Christmas please feel free to request a deadline extension.
Your humble GM,
Alan Farrington
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 11:07 pm) |
FWIW - I agree. On all points.
You might also want to consider something at the top of the houserules
stating what edition was used in drafting the rules. The URL you had
in the other email would be good to put up there as well.
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:02:17 AM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Guys,
Having taken part in creating the default HRs I can assure everyone that it was never the intention to create a set of rules that conflicted with the Standard Diplomacy rules.
The quote I just pasted from the rules says essentially the same thing as our house rules do - only our HRs throw in the SC condition as well. Instead of a bullet-point list, the standard rulebook just wrote it into a paragraph.
The bullet-point list is only to eliminate options to reduce the auto-disband to a single choice. All four conditions should be viewed as a set and taken together.
The final word is up to Jackson, of course. But the rule-book says that he made the right call, the HRs say that he made the right call and as the player whose unit it is I agree with it as well.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Kevin Lynch <klynch427(at)hotmail.com ([email]klynch427(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Wow - lots of emails in my inbox tonight. 2 comments.
1) I actually requested a Fleet in Trieste. I've re-sent that email to the GM, not sure how I ended up with an Army in TRI instead.
2) I'm not sure I quite understand the "take the rules as a whole" argument. Don't you use alphabetically only as the last resort? And don't you use fleet over army only as the next-to-last resort? It would make more sense to me to keep a unit in a supply center, so I'd think that comes first. In which case, BLA should be disbanded and not MUN. I don't really care too much how this ends up, but that is the outcome that makes the most sense to me.
Austrian Kevin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:37:22 -0800
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
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A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e] nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e]No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:f2575bc50e] [*:f2575bc50e]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:f2575bc50e]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:f2575bc50e]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:f2575bc50e]Alphabetical"[/list:u:f2575bc50e]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f2575bc50e] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 11:02 pm) |
Guys,
Having taken part in creating the default HRs I can assure everyone that it was never the intention to create a set of rules that conflicted with the Standard Diplomacy rules.
The quote I just pasted from the rules says essentially the same thing as our house rules do - only our HRs throw in the SC condition as well. Instead of a bullet-point list, the standard rulebook just wrote it into a paragraph.
The bullet-point list is only to eliminate options to reduce the auto-disband to a single choice. All four conditions should be viewed as a set and taken together.
The final word is up to Jackson, of course. But the rule-book says that he made the right call, the HRs say that he made the right call and as the player whose unit it is I agree with it as well.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Kevin Lynch <klynch427(at)hotmail.com ([email]klynch427(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Wow - lots of emails in my inbox tonight. 2 comments.
1) I actually requested a Fleet in Trieste. I've re-sent that email to the GM, not sure how I ended up with an Army in TRI instead.
2) I'm not sure I quite understand the "take the rules as a whole" argument. Don't you use alphabetically only as the last resort? And don't you use fleet over army only as the next-to-last resort? It would make more sense to me to keep a unit in a supply center, so I'd think that comes first. In which case, BLA should be disbanded and not MUN. I don't really care too much how this ends up, but that is the outcome that makes the most sense to me.
Austrian Kevin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:37:22 -0800
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
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A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77] nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77]No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
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To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:9783dfab77] [*:9783dfab77]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:9783dfab77]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:9783dfab77]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:9783dfab77]Alphabetical"[/list:u:9783dfab77]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9783dfab77] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 10:55 pm) |
Actually, I think I have only actually run into this scenario a couple of times and then
I the route wasn't an issue.
Also, given the latest rulebook reference I would have to agree with you 100% on the
distance being independent of the route.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:46:03 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Dude - I'm pretty sure that I've seen you auto-disband using the shortest route approach. Why are we debating this? =)
I've never seen anyone calculate an auto-disband based on the route that a unit would have to take to get from point A to point B. Its always been shortest path to home SCs.
In any case, on page 19 of the latest Avalon Hill version of the rules it says:
"If a country in civil disorder has to remove units, the units furthest from the country are removed first. If units are equally distant than remove fleets before armies and then in alphabetical order by the provinces in which they are located."
http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy_rulebook.pdf
There's nothing there about the "route" that a unit would have to take. Simple count of spaces to see which units are furthest away...
T.[Reply] |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 - klynch427 (Dec 17, 2008, 10:50 pm) |
Wow - lots of emails in my inbox tonight. 2 comments.
1) I actually requested a Fleet in Trieste. I've re-sent that email to the GM, not sure how I ended up with an Army in TRI instead.
2) I'm not sure I quite understand the "take the rules as a whole" argument. Don't you use alphabetically only as the last resort? And don't you use fleet over army only as the next-to-last resort? It would make more sense to me to keep a unit in a supply center, so I'd think that comes first. In which case, BLA should be disbanded and not MUN. I don't really care too much how this ends up, but that is the outcome that makes the most sense to me.
Austrian Kevin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:37:22 -0800
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Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
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.ExternalClass DIV {;} A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28]No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:792e6b5d28] [*:792e6b5d28]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:792e6b5d28]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:792e6b5d28]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:792e6b5d28]Alphabetical"[/list:u:792e6b5d28]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:792e6b5d28] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| DC191 Spring 1912 Deadline Reminder - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:49 pm) |
Heya folks,
Order up! Spring 1912 deadline falls in just over 19 hours. =)
Cheers!
Fry Cook Trout[Reply] |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:46 pm) |
Dude - I'm pretty sure that I've seen you auto-disband using the shortest route approach. Why are we debating this? =)
I've never seen anyone calculate an auto-disband based on the route that a unit would have to take to get from point A to point B. Its always been shortest path to home SCs.
In any case, on page 19 of the latest Avalon Hill version of the rules it says:
"If a country in civil disorder has to remove units, the units furthest from the country are removed first. If units are equally distant than remove fleets before armies and then in alphabetical order by the provinces in which they are located."
http://www.wizards.com/avalonhill/rules/diplomacy_rulebook.pdf
There's nothing there about the "route" that a unit would have to take. Simple count of spaces to see which units are furthest away...
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:37 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046] nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046]No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
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To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
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To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:1fbac6c046] [*:1fbac6c046]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:1fbac6c046]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:1fbac6c046]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:1fbac6c046]Alphabetical"[/list:u:1fbac6c046]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
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To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1fbac6c046] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 10:38 pm) |
A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d]No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:e623184b4d] [*:e623184b4d]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:e623184b4d]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:e623184b4d]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:e623184b4d]Alphabetical"[/list:u:e623184b4d]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:e623184b4d] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| DC224 Static At SlaughterTime - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:37 pm) |
Heya folks,
As I feared, two players orders have been lost in the static. Due to my date-typing fiasco, I'll extend 24 hours to gather the delayed moves in. Apologies for the error everyone - I'll take the hit on this one. =P
Bashedly Ashamed Trout[Reply] |
| dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:34 pm) |
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b]No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
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To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
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To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:786ef15e2b] [*:786ef15e2b]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:786ef15e2b]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:786ef15e2b]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:786ef15e2b]Alphabetical"[/list:u:786ef15e2b]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:33 pm) |
Here's a simpler way of putting it:
The number of spaces are counted using the shortest path - regardless of whether a unit can move there or not.
Least, that's the way I've always done it and always understood it to be done.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:31 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
They counted in the 82 edition
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:12 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
I believe convoys don't count. It is per unit, not per route.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:09996d90a8] [*:09996d90a8]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:09996d90a8]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:09996d90a8]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:09996d90a8]Alphabetical"[/list:u:09996d90a8]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
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To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:09996d90a8] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 10:32 pm) |
nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9eef85941d]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9eef85941d] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9eef85941d] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9eef85941d] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:9eef85941d] [*:9eef85941d]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:9eef85941d]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:9eef85941d]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:9eef85941d]Alphabetical"[/list:u:9eef85941d]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9eef85941d] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9eef85941d] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:9eef85941d] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 10:31 pm) |
They counted in the 82 edition
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:12 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
I believe convoys don't count. It is per unit, not per route.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b4cf77b5a0] Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b4cf77b5a0] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b4cf77b5a0] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b4cf77b5a0] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:b4cf77b5a0] [*:b4cf77b5a0]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:b4cf77b5a0]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:b4cf77b5a0]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:b4cf77b5a0]Alphabetical"[/list:u:b4cf77b5a0]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b4cf77b5a0] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b4cf77b5a0] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b4cf77b5a0] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:30 pm) |
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:59f7faca75]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:59f7faca75] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:59f7faca75] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:59f7faca75] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:59f7faca75] [*:59f7faca75]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:59f7faca75]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:59f7faca75]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:59f7faca75]Alphabetical"[/list:u:59f7faca75]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:59f7faca75] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:59f7faca75] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:59f7faca75] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - kevinokelly (Dec 17, 2008, 10:29 pm) |
I believe convoys don't count. It is per unit, not per route.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:5dd610dfbc] [*:5dd610dfbc]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:5dd610dfbc]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:5dd610dfbc]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:5dd610dfbc]Alphabetical"[/list:u:5dd610dfbc]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5dd610dfbc] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 10:27 pm) |
No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com; dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0c7a8b3c81] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0c7a8b3c81] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0c7a8b3c81] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:0c7a8b3c81] [*:0c7a8b3c81]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:0c7a8b3c81]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:0c7a8b3c81]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:0c7a8b3c81]Alphabetical"[/list:u:0c7a8b3c81]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0c7a8b3c81] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0c7a8b3c81] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:0c7a8b3c81] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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