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England:

   F bre, no move received (*Disbanded*)

   F edi, no move received (*Disbanded*)


Retreats:

   German A Moscow can retreat to Livonia, St Petersburg or OTB

1909 Retreat Orders and Winter Build/Disband Orders: Friday; March 12, 24:00
Hrs GMT

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Not sure what happened to Eric.  He usually cuts it very close to the
deadline; but, he missed the deadline this time.  Another good example of
why preliminary orders are a good idea.  England NMR’s.  Eric, if you are
still with us, drop me an email.  Thanks.

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The overall trend with these changes and the ones you already made in the Med are to limit stalemates.

It also slows thrusts to some degree, which is fine and in keeping with the game.

Specifically, all of the ones that Nigs mentioned - Franconia and the Prussias - seem good to me. Making Turkey non-contiguous influences it to move east and west instead of to the Balkans - is this what you want?

With regard to changes in Russia, I would consider splitting Novgorod to facilitate an attack on Sweden...

and I would also break up NRG. The possibility of NRG C Sco - Nov amounts to a sort of long-range blitzkrieg unseen anywhere else on the map. (My issue is more about consistency than historical accuracy.)

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Subject: DC 298 Fall 1909 Adjucation
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:51:49 -0600




Hey all,

First off, we've had a busy turn with lots of moves sent in by several players. So make sure I have your most updated orders listed (Hopefully I got 'em all right). One player, however, didn't send in any moves, so the german forces are in civil disorder again. In general though, the western deadlock continues.

The East more than makes up for the lack of movement in the west, as Five(!) centers change ownership. The french unit in Vie seems to be playing the mercenary and helping the highest bidder, this time helping the austrians into Budapest. Russia loses that center, but waltzes into Bulgaria. The Italians take Trieste without support, and defend Greece and Serbia. The balance of power has definately shifted. Turkey tries valiantly to defend his lands, but under seige from all sides it appears to be an uphill battle.

Only one retreat this time around, though. Russian Army Bud has to retreat, and Gal's the only open spot. So I moved him there. Nick, if you want otb, let me know. Retreat changes and build/removals due tomorrow at 15:00 GMT.

Thanks All
John

The Moves:
Austria:
A Trieste - Budapest
England:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Kiel
A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
F English Channel Hold
F Irish Sea Supports F English Channel
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F North Sea - Helgoland Bight
F Sweden - Norway
F Wales Supports F English Channel
France:
A Belgium Supports A Holland
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Kiel Supports A Berlin (*Cut*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F Brest (*Cut*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel
F Picardy Supports A Belgium
F Spain(sc) Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Vienna Supports A Trieste - Budapest
Germany:
A Berlin, no move received
A Holland, no move received
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
F Albania - Greece (*Bounce*)
F Ionian Sea Supports F Albania - Greece (*Cut*)
A Serbia Supports A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Venice - Trieste
Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Vienna - Trieste (*Dislodged*)
A Galicia - Rumania
A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Sevastopol - Armenia
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Bounce*)
F Bulgaria(sc) Supports F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Disbanded*)
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
F Smyrna - Constantinople

Ownership:
Austria: Budapest.
England: Denmark, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway, St
Petersburg, Sweden.
France: Belgium, Brest, Kiel, Marseilles, Munich, Paris,
Portugal, Spain, Vienna.
Germany: Berlin, Holland.
Italy: Greece, Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Bulgaria, Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Smyrna.

Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
England: Supp 7 Unit 8 Remove 1
France: Supp 9 Unit 8 Build 1
Germany: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Italy: Supp 7 Unit 5 Build 2
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0



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Subject: DC 298 Fall 1909 Adjucation
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:51:49 -0600




Hey all,

First off, we've had a busy turn with lots of moves sent in by several players. So make sure I have your most updated orders listed (Hopefully I got 'em all right). One player, however, didn't send in any moves, so the german forces are in civil disorder again. In general though, the western deadlock continues.

The East more than makes up for the lack of movement in the west, as Five(!) centers change ownership. The french unit in Vie seems to be playing the mercenary and helping the highest bidder, this time helping the austrians into Budapest. Russia loses that center, but waltzes into Bulgaria. The Italians take Trieste without support, and defend Greece and Serbia. The balance of power has definately shifted. Turkey tries valiantly to defend his lands, but under seige from all sides it appears to be an uphill battle.

Only one retreat this time around, though. Russian Army Bud has to retreat, and Gal's the only open spot. So I moved him there. Nick, if you want otb, let me know. Retreat changes and build/removals due tomorrow at 15:00 GMT.

Thanks All
John

The Moves:
Austria:
A Trieste - Budapest
England:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Kiel
A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
F English Channel Hold
F Irish Sea Supports F English Channel
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F North Sea - Helgoland Bight
F Sweden - Norway
F Wales Supports F English Channel
France:
A Belgium Supports A Holland
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Kiel Supports A Berlin (*Cut*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F Brest (*Cut*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel
F Picardy Supports A Belgium
F Spain(sc) Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Vienna Supports A Trieste - Budapest
Germany:
A Berlin, no move received
A Holland, no move received
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
F Albania - Greece (*Bounce*)
F Ionian Sea Supports F Albania - Greece (*Cut*)
A Serbia Supports A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Venice - Trieste
Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Vienna - Trieste (*Dislodged*)
A Galicia - Rumania
A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Sevastopol - Armenia
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Bounce*)
F Bulgaria(sc) Supports F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Disbanded*)
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
F Smyrna - Constantinople

Ownership:
Austria: Budapest.
England: Denmark, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway, St
Petersburg, Sweden.
France: Belgium, Brest, Kiel, Marseilles, Munich, Paris,
Portugal, Spain, Vienna.
Germany: Berlin, Holland.
Italy: Greece, Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Bulgaria, Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Smyrna.

Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
England: Supp 7 Unit 8 Remove 1
France: Supp 9 Unit 8 Build 1
Germany: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Italy: Supp 7 Unit 5 Build 2
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0



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Blitzers,

The proposal is voted down, and the war continues. Germany lucks out due to a missing order for the Munich army to move, and Austria gets to build his missing Army if he wants to.


Orders due:
Austria: 1 Build


Next turn: Winter 1909 Adjustments.

[b]Next Deadline: Friday, 12th of March 2010, 19:00 GMT (7PM).



















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Austria: 
A Bulgaria - Constantinople (*Bounce*)
F Greece Supports F Ionian Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Apulia
A Trieste - Venice (*Bounce*)
A Tyrolia - Piedmont (*Bounce*)
F Venice - Adriatic Sea
A Vienna Hold


France: 
A Belgium - Burgundy
A Burgundy - Marseilles
F Edinburgh Hold
F English Channel Convoys A London - Belgium
F Gulf of Lyon - Piedmont (*Bounce*)
A London - Belgium
F North Atlantic Ocean Hold
A Rome - Venice (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports F Kiel
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Yorkshire Supports F Edinburgh


Germany: 
A Holland Supports F Kiel (*Cut*)
F Kiel Supports A Holland


Russia: 
F Aegean Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Apulia
A Berlin Supports A Munich - Kiel (*Void*)
F Black Sea - Constantinople (*Bounce*)
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
A Constantinople - Apulia
A Denmark Supports A Munich - Kiel (*Void*)
A Munich, no move received
F North Sea - Holland (*Fails*)
F Norway - North Sea (*Fails*)
F Norwegian Sea - Edinburgh (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak Supports F Norway - North Sea (*Fails*)



Next turn: Winter 1909 Adjustments.

[b]Next Deadline: Friday, 12th of March 2010, 19:00 GMT (7PM).



















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/Fredrik

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Subject: DC 298 Fall 1909 Adjucation
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2010 07:51:49 -0600




Hey all,
 
First off, we've had a busy turn with lots of moves sent in by several players. So make sure I have your most updated orders listed (Hopefully I got 'em all right). One player, however, didn't send in any moves, so the german forces are in civil disorder again. In general though, the western deadlock continues.
 
The East more than makes up for the lack of movement in the west, as Five(!) centers change ownership. The french unit in Vie seems to be playing the mercenary and helping the highest bidder, this time helping the austrians into Budapest. Russia loses that center, but waltzes into Bulgaria. The Italians take Trieste without support, and defend Greece and Serbia. The balance of power has definately shifted. Turkey tries valiantly to defend his lands, but under seige from all sides it appears to be an uphill battle.
 
Only one retreat this time around, though. Russian Army Bud has to retreat, and Gal's the only open spot. So I moved him there. Nick, if you want otb, let me know. Retreat changes and build/removals due tomorrow at 15:00 GMT.
 
Thanks All
John
 
The Moves:
Austria:
A Trieste - Budapest
England:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Kiel
A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
F English Channel Hold
F Irish Sea Supports F English Channel
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F North Sea - Helgoland Bight
F Sweden - Norway
F Wales Supports F English Channel
France:
A Belgium Supports A Holland
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Kiel Supports A Berlin (*Cut*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F Brest (*Cut*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel
F Picardy Supports A Belgium
F Spain(sc) Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Vienna Supports A Trieste - Budapest
Germany:
A Berlin, no move received
A Holland, no move received
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
F Albania - Greece (*Bounce*)
F Ionian Sea Supports F Albania - Greece (*Cut*)
A Serbia Supports A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Venice - Trieste
Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Vienna - Trieste (*Dislodged*)
A Galicia - Rumania
A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Sevastopol - Armenia
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Bounce*)
F Bulgaria(sc) Supports F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Disbanded*)
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
F Smyrna - Constantinople

Ownership:
Austria:   Budapest.
England:   Denmark, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway, St
           Petersburg, Sweden.
France:    Belgium, Brest, Kiel, Marseilles, Munich, Paris,
           Portugal, Spain, Vienna.
Germany:   Berlin, Holland.
Italy:     Greece, Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia:    Bulgaria, Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, Warsaw.
Turkey:    Ankara, Constantinople, Smyrna.

Adjustments:
Austria:   Supp  1 Unit  1 Build  0
England:   Supp  7 Unit  8 Remove  1
France:    Supp  9 Unit  8 Build  1
Germany:   Supp  2 Unit  2 Build  0
Italy:     Supp  7 Unit  5 Build  2
Russia:    Supp  5 Unit  4 Build  1
Turkey:    Supp  3 Unit  3 Build  0

 

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Ah, if you guys think the extra buffer has merit, I guess I'll draw a map for you to comment upon. Would move Poland and Russia further apart.
 
As for redrawing Moscow to touch NRG and add that buffer, yes, it'd broaden the front in the far north. Nov would be not the one province through which Russian units have to pass to get at Sweden. But it'd be a slow developing attack - as I consider appropriate for the Northern wilderness. And of course, the Danes could descend on Moscow rather than on Novgorod...
 
Charles

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Charles,

I like the idea of giving Austria more incentive to move east instead of west.  Another buffer on the Russo-Polish border is a good idea both ways, taking pressure off both and allowing both to consider moving elsewhere.  Is the idea behind extending Moscow to the White Sea an opportunity to give Russia more space from which to invade Sweden?


Jorge

2010/3/11 Charles Féaux de la Croix <charlesf(at)web.de ([email]charlesf(at)web.de[/email])>
[quote:662e37b332] Nigs,
 
well, I'm not sure this change makes Swabia less of a bottleneck (which don't have a particular issue with). Had I chosen to have Franconia border Hesse, then yes. But I didn't want to make the HRE have the makings of a doughnut, with Hesse/Franconia being the hole. That's why I added the territory of the Würzburg bishopric to Swabia (i.e. that salient towards Saxony).
 
For Austria I'd say this change is a mixed blessing. It somewhat complicates Austria's opening game, which I welcome. Getting three SCs in 1649 struck me as being too easy in the past. Bavaria can't help Austria into Saxony (and vice versa). This in turn makes Austria more dependent on support from pretty one single source of minor power support in Germany, namely Swabia. And that makes the job of those interested in curbing Austrian growth quite a bit easier since successfully competing for DPs in Swabia will most likely slow down the Emperor.
 
So I understand this change to be about recalibrating Austria's influence in the Empire as compared to those of others.
 
Also, the change down in Turkey might also tempt Austria more into a Balkan direction. After all, now that Damascus and Constantinople are no longer adjacent, A Damascus can no longer more to Constantinople in an effort to back up A Belgrade if need be. In other words, Belgrade is more vulnerable. Next to the opportunity this gives rise to for Austria, it also might have Turkey move into Hungary more precisely in order to check that danger.
 
In this regard, Fraconia also complicates home defence since if A Prague moved to Saxony or Franconia, it'd be somewhat less useful in fending off a Turkish raid.
 
Much as the Sultan may worry more about Belgrade, so does a Russian move into Armenia present more of a headache now thanks to Damascus and Constantinople no longer covering another. More of a temptation for the Tsar to go south, but also for the Sultan to move into Armenia precisely because of this danger. All in all, this makes early Russo-Turkish conflict rather more likely, methinks.
 
And that in turn had me thinking whether I ought to somewhat ease the home defence burden on Russia. Say by adding a buffer province between Nov, Mos, Vor, WRu and Smo. Another idea would be to extend Moscow up to the White Sea (i.e. Russia's northern shore), while adding a buffer between Novgorod, Karelia and Moscow, so that a Swedish move into Karelia wouldn't border both Novgorod and Moscow at the same time.
 
Considering also a number of other approaches, but decided to hold off of them for now.
 
Cheers,
 
Charles

 
 
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I like the effect of Franconia and the prussian changes. Franconia in particular should help to avoid blockades in middle germany. I don't know turkey's territories well enough to comment on those.






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Charles,

I like the idea of giving Austria more incentive to move east instead of west. Another buffer on the Russo-Polish border is a good idea both ways, taking pressure off both and allowing both to consider moving elsewhere. Is the idea behind extending Moscow to the White Sea an opportunity to give Russia more space from which to invade Sweden?


Jorge

2010/3/11 Charles Féaux de la Croix <charlesf(at)web.de ([email]charlesf(at)web.de[/email])>
[quote:497e7fd61f] Nigs,

well, I'm not sure this change makes Swabia less of a bottleneck (which don't have a particular issue with). Had I chosen to have Franconia border Hesse, then yes. But I didn't want to make the HRE have the makings of a doughnut, with Hesse/Franconia being the hole. That's why I added the territory of the Würzburg bishopric to Swabia (i.e. that salient towards Saxony).

For Austria I'd say this change is a mixed blessing. It somewhat complicates Austria's opening game, which I welcome. Getting three SCs in 1649 struck me as being too easy in the past. Bavaria can't help Austria into Saxony (and vice versa). This in turn makes Austria more dependent on support from pretty one single source of minor power support in Germany, namely Swabia. And that makes the job of those interested in curbing Austrian growth quite a bit easier since successfully competing for DPs in Swabia will most likely slow down the Emperor.

So I understand this change to be about recalibrating Austria's influence in the Empire as compared to those of others.

Also, the change down in Turkey might also tempt Austria more into a Balkan direction. After all, now that Damascus and Constantinople are no longer adjacent, A Damascus can no longer more to Constantinople in an effort to back up A Belgrade if need be. In other words, Belgrade is more vulnerable. Next to the opportunity this gives rise to for Austria, it also might have Turkey move into Hungary more precisely in order to check that danger.

In this regard, Fraconia also complicates home defence since if A Prague moved to Saxony or Franconia, it'd be somewhat less useful in fending off a Turkish raid.

Much as the Sultan may worry more about Belgrade, so does a Russian move into Armenia present more of a headache now thanks to Damascus and Constantinople no longer covering another. More of a temptation for the Tsar to go south, but also for the Sultan to move into Armenia precisely because of this danger. All in all, this makes early Russo-Turkish conflict rather more likely, methinks.

And that in turn had me thinking whether I ought to somewhat ease the home defence burden on Russia. Say by adding a buffer province between Nov, Mos, Vor, WRu and Smo. Another idea would be to extend Moscow up to the White Sea (i.e. Russia's northern shore), while adding a buffer between Novgorod, Karelia and Moscow, so that a Swedish move into Karelia wouldn't border both Novgorod and Moscow at the same time.

Considering also a number of other approaches, but decided to hold off of them for now.

Cheers,

Charles



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I like the effect of Franconia and the prussian changes. Franconia in particular should help to avoid blockades in middle germany. I don't know turkey's territories well enough to comment on those.






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