| DC 285: Fall 298 Results - blueraider0 at gmail.com (Feb 22, 2010, 2:15 pm) |
Raving Coyotes, ahem - I mean distinguished gentlemen,
Well, I put the "don't bother arguing" because the misorder is particularly important. And having a public argument over the issue was the last thing I wanted, because I'm suspicious that despite all discussion over rules, any vote would ultimately be more on the "does this help me" platform, instead of the rules discussed. Does a trickle up economy create jobs? Maybe, but dammit, I'm at the top and deserve that money! Let me decide where to let it flow! In the future, PLEASE send these sort of e-mails one-to-one.
But since it is public, here was my decision making process.
I just came back from a Dip tournament a few weeks ago where rules were very strict on misorders
I looked at my keyboard and realized that P and E are not close to each other, and so this is not necessarily an erroneous key stroke.
My personal experience is that Dip players are more often than not very careful and a misorder is intentional. This is not to say this misorder was or was not intentional, but often I have seen GMs "correct" misorders, only to be later "recorrected." It causes quite a mess. Better to be too strict and get everyone in line than to be too kind and cause a bigger problem.
Misorders happen in the real world as well as in the game.
Thaesus sounds like a perfectly ancient province and I actually double checked there wasn't some tiny province called Thaesus in that area I hadn't noticed before.
I recently finished a variant map (Versailles) game and always had a blank map (blank of units, not province names) handy to avoid such problems.
In addition:
I don't use RealPolitik's ability to insert orders into the program; I'm honestly not sure how to even do that. I have an overriding paranoia of technology and don't like second level commanding - that is: I like to be as hands on as possible. I point and click every single order.
Pun to Tha would have been an acceptable order. But that was not what was written. And as for the Ven to Rom/Rum issue, if you can't type 3 letters right / be bothered to check your work, then I don't see why I should cut you any slack.
So here's what I'm going to do. The order remains as is. In the future, if there is an order that I notice is invalid, I will note this when I "recieve" your orders, and you'll have the chance to fix the order (or not, if you so wish). If I don't notice or don't recieve an updated order by the time of the deadline, too bad. Let that be more motivation for you to send orders before the deadline starts closing in.
I hope that pleases either all parties, or nobody. Equality for all!
Take care, and still waiting on that Greek retreat!
-Maslow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])> wrote:
Maslow,
I hate to be a thorn in your side, but I also agree with Adam on the
Pun -> Tha issue. In fact, solely because if the order was written as
such, it would have been accepted!
I think part of the problem (and it's a bit of a gripe on my part) is
that the units on the maps sit on top of the names. So when filling
out orders, I either have to rely on my memory or retrieve an older
map, or find an empty map online. I had to do that this turn when
remember if "Cilician" was "Silician" or "Cilician". I even typed
Sicilian at first, but saw that error immediately and fixed it. "The
reason I typed the entire name was so that if there was a slight typo,
the meaning would be clear."
[Warning: Slight Rant follows]
I understand that if you are using RealPolitic or other software to
assist in adjudicating, correcting typos is extra work. On the other
hand, I believe software should be used as described -- to "assist" in
judging, but not be the end-all be-all. That is the reason *I* choose
to NOT use any software when I GM. Yes, it takes more time, but it
also keeps me more involved and in touch with the game. Of course
that is a personal preference and I don't expect anyone else to follow
it. BUT, I think it may be a better course for most GMs to not rely
entirely on software to rule the game.
[Rant over]
All that being said, whatever your final decision is, we will follow!
Thanks,
Michael
---------
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
"Whenever some act of wondrous power must be performed, Michael is
sent" --- Pope Saint Gregory the Great
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Adam Martin-Schwarze
<smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com ([email]smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:44c1ac6e9d]Alex,
[quote:44c1ac6e9d]All misorders and NMRs were
already double checked, so don't bother arguing.
This almost sounds like a challenge, doesn't it?  I pick up thy gauntlet, oh noble knight. I apologize if the following is an example of using a cannon to kill a rabbit.
F Punic Sea to Thaesus (No such province)
A Massilia, NMR
F Sparta, NMR
F Athens to Messenian Sea (*Fails* No unit in
Athens, provinces not connected anyway)
The House Rules are interesting on these misorders. Clearly, the overriding rule is:
"The GM holds the final say on any in-game dispute."
So, in the end, what you say decides the issue.
I understand the NMR for F Sparta. I do know GMs who would 'correct' the order, but Sparta is clearly not Athens, and the NMR makes sense to me.
But I confess to scratching my head at F Punic to Thaesus. True, there is no Thaesus. But there is a Thapsus, which differs by only one letter from Thaesus. And Thapsus is right next door to Punic Sea (so, it makes contextual sense). Furthermore, there is no other province even remotely similar in name to Thaesus. The *only* (and I use this word full-knowing how categorical it is) logical in-board interpretation of Thaesus is that it should be Thapsus. If you can show me a plausible ambiguity in interpretation, I will withdraw my challenge.
There are two House Rules sort of pertaining to this misorder, but neither takes it head on. First:
"In the case of an ambiguous order, the GM may void the move and have the unit stand."
Admittedly, this rule is located amidst a discussion of province abbreviations, but (a) most every set of House Rules has such a blanket provision, and (b) it makes sense that ambiguity should be treated the same whether a player types out full names or whether they use abbreviations. According to this rule, if a typo causes ambiguity, then the GM may void the order. But, as argued above, 'Thaesus' did not create ambiguity.
The second House Rule is:
"If there is a typo that leads to an incorrect order, it will be read as-is."
I am assuming that this is the House Rule being used in your interpretation. Perhaps the rule requires further explication, because the example used in the House Rules is "Ven to Rum" in the place of "Ven to Rom". So, the context of the rule implies that it applies in instances when the typo significantly change the meaning of the order. It does not necessarily imply that spelling will be grounds for nullification.
And that is why I am confused by the no-such-province adjudication of:
F Punic Sea to Thaesus
Are you really requiring that we submit our orders with perfect spelling?!? (Because that's what this boils down to). I mean to say... Chersonesus is a bugger to spell. Does it really matter whether I type Chersonesus, Chersenesus, Chersonnesus, etc...? The intent is crystal clear. If I want to get really pedantic, I would ask how 'Thaesus' is any less correct than orders I have previously submitted such as 'F Alexandria - Libyan' (there is a Libyan Sea, but not a Libyan).
So, to summarize my point:
When there is no ambiguity in province designation, do you really want spelling to override player intent?
[Yes, I understand that this very possibly could be an 'intentional misorder' on Rome's part, but do you really want to create this precedent in order to enable a misorder?]
Thank you for considering my argument,
Adam
[/quote:44c1ac6e9d]
[/quote:44c1ac6e9d]
--
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. and sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing. The shadow, even the darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you - That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn't. They kept going because they were holding onto something."
"What are we holding onto, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."[Reply] |
| 1648 091010: Fall 1653 Moves - charlesf (Feb 22, 2010, 1:12 pm) |
Hi guys,
the broad front that stretches from Scandinavia down to the Central Mediterranean has been subjected to a fair number of alterations. For starters, Polish lancers have charged across the North German Plain, French regiments taken back Swabia and the Spaniards ousted the Turks from Naples, while losing a number of key positions in that Southern theatre.
Retreats/Adjustments are due NLT 6 PM CET this coming Wednesday. Note that the retreats do affect adjustments, so you may want to submit adjustment orders conditioned on what especially the Spanish retreat shall amount to.
Liebe Grüsse,
Charles
----------
PLAYERS:
AUSTRIA: Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com>
DENMARK-NORWAY: Marc Ellinger <mellinger(at)blitzbardgett.com> (eliminated Winter 1653)
ENGLAND: Harvey Morris <hmtucaz(at)gmail.com>
FRANCE: Nigel Phillips <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com>
POLAND-LITHUANIA: Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>
RUSSIA: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com> (eliminated Winter 1650)
SPAIN: Dirk Knemeyer <dirk(at)knemeyer.com>
SWEDEN: Matthew Kelly <kelly058(at)verizon.net> (joined Winter 1652)
TURKEY: Aidan Slattery <AiSlattery(at)aol.com>
PROCLAMATIONS:
o GERMAN ELECTORS RUMOURED TO BE CONSIDERING ALTERNATIVE CANDIDATES FOR THE IMPERIAL THRONE
o STRONG ENGLISH PRESENCE IN SCANDINAVIA FURTHER REINFORCED
o FRENCH TAKE BACK SWABIA
o POLISH LANCERS REACH NORTH SEA
o SPANIARDS REASSERT THEIR CONTROL OVER NAPLES
o BRANDENBURG ONCE AGAIN IN SWEDISH HANDS
o SULTAN BOASTS OF POSITIONAL GAINS IN CENTRAL MEDITERRANEAN
PRESS: None. 
ORDERS:
Austria:
A Bavaria - Tyrolia
A Hesse Supports A Swabia - Rhineland-Westphalia
A Saxony Supports A Brandenburg - Lower Saxony
A Swabia - Rhineland-Westphalia (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste Supports A Bavaria - Tyrolia
England:
A Abo Supports A Scotland - Karelia (*Cut*)
A London - Christiania
F North Sea Convoys A London - Christiania
F Norwegian Sea Convoys A Scotland - Karelia
F Scania - Stockholm(ec)
A Scotland - Karelia (*Bounce*)
F Skagerrak - Scania
A Stockholm - Lapland
France:
F Copenhagen - Helgoland Bight
A Dauphiné - Savoy
F Flanders - English Channel
A Lombardy Supports A Venice
A Lorraine Supports A Rhineland-Westphalia - Swabia
A Normandy - Flanders
A Rhineland-Westphalia - Swabia
A Switzerland Supports A Rhineland-Westphalia - Swabia
A Venice Supports A Switzerland
Poland-Lithuania:
A Brandenburg - Lower Saxony
A Ingria - Abo (*Fails*)
A Novgorod - Karelia (*Bounce*)
A Prussia Supports A Warsaw - Greater Poland
A Samogitia Supports A Courland (*Ordered to Move*)
A Smolensk - Polotsk
A Warsaw - Greater Poland
A White Ruthenia - Vilna
Spain:
F Adriatic Sea - Naples
A Algiers Supports F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
A Lower Saxony - Saxony (*Dislodged*)
F Papal States(ec) Supports F Adriatic Sea - Naples
F Sardinia Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea
A Seville Hold
F Sicily - Ionian Sea (*Disbanded*)
A Tunis - Tuscany
F Tyrrhenian Sea Convoys A Tunis - Tuscany
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
Sweden:
F Baltic Sea Supports F Gulf of Bothnia - Courland
A Courland - Riga
F Gulf of Bothnia - Courland
A Mecklenburg - Brandenburg
A Stettin Supports A Mecklenburg - Brandenburg
Turkey:
A Croatia Supports A Trieste
F Dalmatia - Adriatic Sea
F Egypt Supports F Ionian Sea
A Hungary - Slovakia
F Illyria Supports F Ionian Sea
F Ionian Sea Supports F Naples - Sicily
F Naples - Sicily
A Permia Hold
A Ukraine Hold
PENDING RETREATS:
Spanish A Lower Saxony can retreat to Holstein or Mecklenburg, Rhineland-Westphalia, United Provinces or OTB.
Austrian A Swabia can retreat to Bavaria or OTB.
PENDING ADJUSTMENTS:
Austria:
Build?
England:
Remove?
France:
Build?
Spain:
Build?
Turkey:
Build
Build
SUPPLY CENTER OWNERSHIP (Winter 1652):
Austria(5): Bavaria, Prague, Saxony, Trieste, Vienna.
Denmark-Norway(1): Stettin.
England( : Abo, Bristol, Christiania, Ireland, London, Scotland, Stockholm, United Provinces.
France(10): Brest, Flanders, Lorraine, Marseilles, Paris, Rhineland-Westphalia, Savoy, Swabia, Switzerland, Venice.
Poland-Lithuania(: Brandenburg, Cracow, Moscow, Novgorod, Prussia, Vilna, Voronezh, Warsaw.
Spain(10): Algiers, Lower Saxony, Madrid, Morocco, Naples, Papal States, Portugal, Seville, Tunis, Tuscany.
Sweden(5): Copenhagen, Courland, Holstein, Mecklenburg, Riga.
Turkey(10): Belgrade, Candia, Constantinople, Crimea, Damascus, Moldavia, Persia, Transylvania, Turkestan, Wallachia.
Ukraine(1): Ukraine.
DEADLINE SCHEDULE: (all orders are due NLT 6PM CET (i.e. GMT+1)...not local time)
o Winter 1653 Retreats/Adjustments: 24 February
o Spring 1964 Moves: (27) 29 February
ORDERS MAP:
RESULTS MAP:[Reply] |
| DC 285: Fall 298 Results - offdisc (Feb 22, 2010, 1:09 pm) |
Maslow,
I hate to be a thorn in your side, but I also agree with Adam on the
Pun -> Tha issue. In fact, solely because if the order was written as
such, it would have been accepted!
I think part of the problem (and it's a bit of a gripe on my part) is
that the units on the maps sit on top of the names. So when filling
out orders, I either have to rely on my memory or retrieve an older
map, or find an empty map online. I had to do that this turn when
remember if "Cilician" was "Silician" or "Cilician". I even typed
Sicilian at first, but saw that error immediately and fixed it. The
reason I typed the entire name was so that if there was a slight typo,
the meaning would be clear.
[Warning: Slight Rant follows]
I understand that if you are using RealPolitic or other software to
assist in adjudicating, correcting typos is extra work. On the other
hand, I believe software should be used as described -- to "assist" in
judging, but not be the end-all be-all. That is the reason *I* choose
to NOT use any software when I GM. Yes, it takes more time, but it
also keeps me more involved and in touch with the game. Of course
that is a personal preference and I don't expect anyone else to follow
it. BUT, I think it may be a better course for most GMs to not rely
entirely on software to rule the game.
[Rant over]
All that being said, whatever your final decision is, we will follow!
Thanks,
Michael
---------
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
"Whenever some act of wondrous power must be performed, Michael is
sent" --- Pope Saint Gregory the Great
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Adam Martin-Schwarze
<smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Alex,
[quote:55c9b84816]All misorders and NMRs were
already double checked, so don't bother arguing.
This almost sounds like a challenge, doesn't it? I pick up thy gauntlet, oh noble knight. I apologize if the following is an example of using a cannon to kill a rabbit.
F Punic Sea to Thaesus (No such province)
A Massilia, NMR
F Sparta, NMR
F Athens to Messenian Sea (*Fails* No unit in
Athens, provinces not connected anyway)
The House Rules are interesting on these misorders. Clearly, the overriding rule is:
"The GM holds the final say on any in-game dispute."
So, in the end, what you say decides the issue.
I understand the NMR for F Sparta. I do know GMs who would 'correct' the order, but Sparta is clearly not Athens, and the NMR makes sense to me.
But I confess to scratching my head at F Punic to Thaesus. True, there is no Thaesus. But there is a Thapsus, which differs by only one letter from Thaesus. And Thapsus is right next door to Punic Sea (so, it makes contextual sense). Furthermore, there is no other province even remotely similar in name to Thaesus. The *only* (and I use this word full-knowing how categorical it is) logical in-board interpretation of Thaesus is that it should be Thapsus. If you can show me a plausible ambiguity in interpretation, I will withdraw my challenge.
There are two House Rules sort of pertaining to this misorder, but neither takes it head on. First:
"In the case of an ambiguous order, the GM may void the move and have the unit stand."
Admittedly, this rule is located amidst a discussion of province abbreviations, but (a) most every set of House Rules has such a blanket provision, and (b) it makes sense that ambiguity should be treated the same whether a player types out full names or whether they use abbreviations. According to this rule, if a typo causes ambiguity, then the GM may void the order. But, as argued above, 'Thaesus' did not create ambiguity.
The second House Rule is:
"If there is a typo that leads to an incorrect order, it will be read as-is."
I am assuming that this is the House Rule being used in your interpretation. Perhaps the rule requires further explication, because the example used in the House Rules is "Ven to Rum" in the place of "Ven to Rom". So, the context of the rule implies that it applies in instances when the typo significantly change the meaning of the order. It does not necessarily imply that spelling will be grounds for nullification.
And that is why I am confused by the no-such-province adjudication of:
F Punic Sea to Thaesus
Are you really requiring that we submit our orders with perfect spelling?!? (Because that's what this boils down to). I mean to say... Chersonesus is a bugger to spell. Does it really matter whether I type Chersonesus, Chersenesus, Chersonnesus, etc...? The intent is crystal clear. If I want to get really pedantic, I would ask how 'Thaesus' is any less correct than orders I have previously submitted such as 'F Alexandria - Libyan' (there is a Libyan Sea, but not a Libyan).
So, to summarize my point:
When there is no ambiguity in province designation, do you really want spelling to override player intent?
[Yes, I understand that this very possibly could be an 'intentional misorder' on Rome's part, but do you really want to create this precedent in order to enable a misorder?]
Thank you for considering my argument,
Adam
[/quote:55c9b84816][Reply] |
| Anything I should know? - Kenshi777 (Feb 22, 2010, 12:52 pm) |
Yup - from what I read above, I think you'll be a welcome addition indeed...
Enjoy the games (and if you're ready for a variant, I'll gladly give you a seat in the Sengoku game I have open)
B.[Reply] |
| DC 285: Fall 298 Results - AceRimmer (Feb 22, 2010, 12:18 pm) |
Alex,
All misorders and NMRs were
already double checked, so don't bother arguing.
This almost sounds like a challenge, doesn't it? I pick up thy gauntlet, oh noble knight. I apologize if the following is an example of using a cannon to kill a rabbit.
F Punic Sea to Thaesus (No such province)
A Massilia, NMR
F Sparta, NMR
F Athens to Messenian Sea (*Fails* No unit in
Athens, provinces not connected anyway)
The House Rules are interesting on these misorders. Clearly, the overriding rule is:
"The GM holds the final say on any in-game dispute."
So, in the end, what you say decides the issue.
I understand the NMR for F Sparta. I do know GMs who would 'correct' the order, but Sparta is clearly not Athens, and the NMR makes sense to me.
But I confess to scratching my head at F Punic to Thaesus. True, there is no Thaesus. But there is a Thapsus, which differs by only one letter from Thaesus. And Thapsus is right next door to Punic Sea (so, it makes contextual sense). Furthermore, there is no other province even remotely similar in name to Thaesus. The *only* (and I use this word full-knowing how categorical it is) logical in-board interpretation of Thaesus is that it should be Thapsus. If you can show me a plausible ambiguity in interpretation, I will withdraw my challenge.
There are two House Rules sort of pertaining to this misorder, but neither takes it head on. First:
"In the case of an ambiguous order, the GM may void the move and have the unit stand."
Admittedly, this rule is located amidst a discussion of province abbreviations, but (a) most every set of House Rules has such a blanket provision, and (b) it makes sense that ambiguity should be treated the same whether a player types out full names or whether they use abbreviations. According to this rule, if a typo causes ambiguity, then the GM may void the order. But, as argued above, 'Thaesus' did not create ambiguity.
The second House Rule is:
"If there is a typo that leads to an incorrect order, it will be read as-is."
I am assuming that this is the House Rule being used in your interpretation. Perhaps the rule requires further explication, because the example used in the House Rules is "Ven to Rum" in the place of "Ven to Rom". So, the context of the rule implies that it applies in instances when the typo significantly change the meaning of the order. It does not necessarily imply that spelling will be grounds for nullification.
And that is why I am confused by the no-such-province adjudication of:
F Punic Sea to Thaesus
Are you really requiring that we submit our orders with perfect spelling?!? (Because that's what this boils down to). I mean to say... Chersonesus is a bugger to spell. Does it really matter whether I type Chersonesus, Chersenesus, Chersonnesus, etc...? The intent is crystal clear. If I want to get really pedantic, I would ask how 'Thaesus' is any less correct than orders I have previously submitted such as 'F Alexandria - Libyan' (there is a Libyan Sea, but not a Libyan).
So, to summarize my point:
When there is no ambiguity in province designation, do you really want spelling to override player intent?
[Yes, I understand that this very possibly could be an 'intentional misorder' on Rome's part, but do you really want to create this precedent in order to enable a misorder?]
Thank you for considering my argument,
Adam[Reply] |
| DC 293: S1907 Adjudication - AceRimmer (Feb 22, 2010, 11:16 am) |
Retreat! Retreat! Run for your lives!
There are four retreats. Holy smokes, FOUR retreats! By four different nations. Three of the retreats require orders due tomorrow (Germany, you're off the hook).
English F Spain may retreat to Gulf of Lyon, Portugal, Western Mediterranean, or off the board.
French F English Channel may retreat to Brest, Irish Sea, Mid-Atlantic Ocean, Picardy, or off the board.
German A Kiel is retreating to Ruhr unless otherwise indicated.
Turkish F Tyrrhenian Sea may retreat to Gulf of Lyon, Rome, Western Mediterranean, or off the board.
Yes, there are some opportunities for bouncing/disbanding retreats.
Deadline is tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. CST.
The funny thing is that, in spite of all the retreats, the real story of the season is the easy advance of Russian and Turkish units. Plus, the EF bounce in Belgium.
Here are the gory details:
England:
F Edinburgh - North Sea (*Fails*)
A Holland Supports F North Sea - Belgium
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - English Channel
F North Sea - Belgium (*Bounce*)
F Spain(sc) - Marseilles (*Dislodged*)
F Wales Supports F London - English Channel
France:
A Burgundy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
F English Channel - Belgium (*Dislodged*)
A Marseilles Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Spain(sc)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Spain(sc)
A Piedmont - Tyrolia (*Fails*)
Germany:
A Kiel - Berlin (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
F Tunis Supports F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Tyrolia
F Denmark Supports A Munich - Kiel
F Helgoland Bight Supports A Munich - Kiel
A Munich - Kiel
F Norwegian Sea Hold
A Prussia - Berlin
F Sevastopol Hold
A Silesia Supports A Prussia - Berlin
A St Petersburg - Norway
A Vienna - Tyrolia
Turkey:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea
F Greece Supports F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea
A Naples Hold
F Smyrna - Aegean Sea
A Trieste - Venice
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports A Venice - Tuscany (*Dislodged*)
A Venice - Tuscany[Reply] |
| Unknown - DucatiRider (Feb 22, 2010, 9:53 am) |
| What's going on with this game? Deadline was this past Friday and I haven't heard a thing. [Reply] |
| Unknown - FuzzyLogic (Feb 22, 2010, 7:44 am) |
Welcome!
The fact that you're looking for more challenging games tells me you're not going to be ruining other peoples' fun rather contributing to it!
Crucial elements? I guess the most crucial is the proverbial "have fun"... enjoy the game, write lots of press, talk to everyone, and take stabs with a grain of salt, they're part of the game and should make it more fun.
-mike[Reply] |
| DC 298 Spring 07 Aducation - untitled36 (Feb 22, 2010, 7:39 am) |
Wow, I'm lost again. This game reminds me of a face-to-face game with the constantly shifting alliances. None of you trust each other, do you?
Some highlights of this turn: France tries to prop up the germans, but (perhaps expecting a stab?) Germany cuts french support for his own units, and England marches into Kiel. And in a surprise move, Russia attempts to reclaim the homeland, ousting Austria from Sevastapol. Could the russians be on the rise again? And lastly that lone french unit in austria continues in his apparent quest to circumnavigate the globe. I'm still not sure if this is a stab, or by invitation. Clark, if that unit walks all the way to Syria, that would be a win in my mind, even if you lose the game.
Also, if you are like I am in diplomacy games, you probably don't read the orders in these emails, and just use the gif or rp file to move on, but I have to encourage you to look through them. F stp (NC) is my favorite unit this game. They support anything and everything!
Housekeeping-wise, Austrian A sev was destroyed, with no place to retreat. F kie could only retreat to Hel, so I took the liberty. If otb is preferred, let me know by tomorrow at 7:00 AM CST. Otherwise the retreat stands. For the rest of you, I'll see you back here thursday at 7:00 AM CST (13:00 GMT). Have a great day!
Moves:
Austria:
A Budapest - Trieste
A Rumania - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
A Serbia Supports A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania (*Disbanded*)
England:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Kiel
A Denmark - Kiel
F English Channel Supports A Holland - Belgium (*Cut*)
F Irish Sea Supports F English Channel
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F English Channel
F North Sea Supports A Holland - Belgium
F St Petersburg(nc) Supports Motherhood and Apple Pie (*holds*)
France:
F Belgium Supports F Brest - English Channel (*Cut*)
F Brest - English Channel (*Fails*)
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Marseilles - Spain(sc)
A Munich Supports F Kiel (*Ordered to Move*)
A Ruhr Supports F Belgium
F Spain(sc) - Portugal
A Vienna - Budapest
Germany:
A Berlin - Munich (*Fails*)
A Holland - Belgium (*Fails*)
F Kiel - Holland (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Albania
A Albania Supports F Ionian Sea - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Greece (*Fails*)
F Naples Supports F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
Russia:
A Moscow - Sevastopol
A Ukraine Supports A Moscow - Sevastopol
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Greece - Ionian Sea
A Armenia Supports A Moscow - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Fails*)
F Greece - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.[Reply] |
| DC289: 24h for Spring 1902 - Rocketship (Feb 21, 2010, 11:59 pm) |
Hi Folks,
This is your friendly 24h reminder for Spring 1902. I'm still missing orders from Germany and Italy.
Cheers,
Matthew[Reply] |
| Unknown - txurce (Feb 21, 2010, 10:02 pm) |
| The only crucial element is to get your orders in on time. Communicativeness is also encouraged. Everything else is gravy. [Reply] |
| Anything I should know? - Huxleykrcc (Feb 21, 2010, 7:31 pm) |
I just joined, and I was wondering if there was anything I should know. I have about a dozen standard Face-to-face games and a few running on a silly facebook app at the moment, but I wanted to try something more serious...however, I'm concerned about ruining other people's fun if I join a game without understanding some crucial element of play-by-email Diplomacy. Any thoughts?
Thanks.[Reply] |
| Unknown (Community) txurce Feb 21, 10:02 pm |
| The only crucial element is to get your orders in on time. Communicativeness is also encouraged. Everything else is gravy. |
| Unknown (Community) FuzzyLogic Feb 22, 07:44 am |
Welcome!
The fact that you're looking for more challenging games tells me you're not going to be ruining other peoples' fun rather contributing to it!
Crucial elements? I guess the most crucial is the proverbial "have fun"... enjoy the game, write lots of press, talk to everyone, and take stabs with a grain of salt, they're part of the game and should make it more fun.
-mike |
| Anything I should know? (Community) Kenshi777 Feb 22, 12:52 pm |
Yup - from what I read above, I think you'll be a welcome addition indeed...
Enjoy the games (and if you're ready for a variant, I'll gladly give you a seat in the Sengoku game I have open)
B. |
| Dc 277: Autumn 2002 Adjudication - AlanRFarrington (Feb 21, 2010, 5:45 pm) |
Hello Everybody,
Only One retreat, sorry I couldn't get this out earlier, overnight volleyball tournament.
Next Deadline:
Winter 2002 Orders are due Tuesday, February 23rd at Midnight GMT (7:00pm EST)
Orders:
Italy:
A Marseilles - Monaco
Build Chart:
Britain: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
Egypt: Supp 15 Unit 14 Build 1
France: Supp 16 Unit 12 Build 2
Germany: Supp 4 Unit 7 Remove 3
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 6 Remove 2
Poland: Supp 14 Unit 10 Build 3
Russia: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Spain: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Ukraine: Supp 10 Unit 9 Build 1
Ownership of Supply Centers:
Britain: Ireland.
Egypt: Adana, Alexandria, Aswan, Cairo, Greece, Iran,
Israel, Istanbul, Izmir, Libya, Naples, Rome, Saudi
Arabia, Serbia, Tunisia.
France: Barcelona, Belgium, Bordeaux, Edinburgh, Gibraltar,
Holland, London, Lyon, Madrid, Marseilles, Morroco,
Munich, Paris, Portugal, Seville, Switzerland.
Germany: Denmark, Hamburg, Liverpool, Norway.
Italy: Croatia, Milan, Monaco, Venice.
Poland: Austria, Berlin, Bielorussia, Czech Republic,
Frankfurt, Gdansk, Gorky, Krakow, Lithuania, Moscow,
Murmansk, St-Petersburg, Sweden, Warsaw.
Ukraine: Ankara, Bulgaria, Georgia, Hungary, Kharkov, Kiev,
Odessa, Rostov, Rumania, Sevastopol.
If anyone spots a mistake with their orders let me know,
Thank you,
Alan Farrington Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now.[Reply] |
| DC 298 Spring 07 Reminder - untitled36 (Feb 21, 2010, 4:03 pm) |
Hey all, Spring '07 is due in around 15 hours. Make sure you get those moves in, I think i only have one set of moves in so far!
John
Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.[Reply] |
| dc294 Spring reminder - notasb (Feb 21, 2010, 11:02 am) |
Spring '07 is due Monday Feb 22nd 2 PM CST (GMT -6) 2000 GMT
If I haven't acknowledged your orders I haven't received them.
Christine
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"Get your facts first, and then you can distort them as much as you please." -Mark Twain
Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.[Reply] |
| DC280 spring 1907 adjudications - bobbarkerfan1 (Feb 20, 2010, 10:59 pm) |
Good evening everyone,
I got the retreat from Mark, so we are set for a Fall deadline.
RETREATS:
French F Tys to West Med
DEADLINE:
The Fall 1907 deadline will be ***Thursday, February 25th, 9:00pm EST*** I am going to be gone that weekend, which is why I want to get everything sent out Thursday. Please get the orders in on time this time, I don't want to have to look for replacements, and I'm sure you all don't want to either to keep the game going and more enjoyable.
PLAYERS:
Ctry : Russia
Name : Tim Fuhrmeister
Email : timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com ([email]timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Italy
Name : Fredrik Blom
Email : fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])
Ctry : Germany
Name : Jeffrey Cole
Email : jeffcole854(at)gmail.com ([email]jeffcole854(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : France
Name : Mark Utterback
Email : MDemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]MDemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Austria
Name : Ross Yaggy
Email : ross826(at)gmail.com ([email]ross826(at)gmail.com[/email])
Hope you all have a great week! And get those orders in!
Joey
From: Joey Pedicini <bobbarkerfan1ped(at)yahoo.com>
To: timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com; fredrik(at)familjenblom.se; jeffcole854(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; ross826(at)gmail.com; peterawleggett(at)yahoo.com; dc280(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 11:57:58 AM
Subject: DC280 spring 1907 adjudications
Hello everyone. Hope you are all doing well. Everyone is starting to get a little sloppy with orders now, we had two missed deadlines, and both players had already used their grace periods. Luckily for both of them, they were not attacked. Here are the results:
ORDERS:
Austria:
A Budapest Supports A Serbia
A Bulgaria Hold
F Greece Supports A Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Naples Supports A Rome
A Rome Supports A Naples
A Serbia Supports A Bulgaria
A Venice - Trieste
A Vienna Supports A Budapest
France:
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
F English Channel - London
A Holland Supports A Kiel
F Liverpool - Clyde
A London - Yorkshire
A Marseilles Hold
A Ruhr - Belgium
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold (*Dislodged*)
Germany:
A Kiel, no move received
A Tyrolia, no move received
Italy:
A North Africa Hold
F Tunis Supports F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea, no move received
A Berlin, no move received
F Black Sea, no move received
F Constantinople, no move received
A Denmark, no move received
A Munich, no move received
F North Sea, no move received
F Norwegian Sea, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Silesia, no move received
A Ukraine, no move received
A Warsaw, no move received
DEADLINE:
The French fleet in Tyrrhenian Sea will need to be retreated or disbanded. I am only going to post a deadline for the summer retreat. So if you can get that in by ***Sunday, Feb. 21st, 9:00pm EST*** that would be great! Once I get the retreat, I will set a deadline for Fall 1907.
PLAYERS:
Ctry : Russia
Name : Tim Fuhrmeister
Email : timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com ([email]timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Italy
Name : Fredrik Blom
Email : fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])
Ctry : Germany
Name : Jeffrey Cole
Email : jeffcole854(at)gmail.com ([email]jeffcole854(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : France
Name : Mark Utterback
Email : MDemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]MDemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Austria
Name : Ross Yaggy
Email : ross826(at)gmail.com ([email]ross826(at)gmail.com[/email])
Joey[Reply] |
| DC290 Spring 1901 adjudication - bobbarkerfan1 (Feb 20, 2010, 10:08 pm) |
Hey everybody! Thank you all for waiting. The spring has finally come. Italy and France bounce in Piedmont, while Austria, Russia and Turkey get ready for a battle in the Balkans. Too early to tell what Germany and England are up to. I want to make a note about press. If you want to send any I will accept all and post them to the bottom of the adjudication e-mails unless otherwise stated. With that being said, here you go!
ORDERS:
Austria:
A Budapest - Serbia
F Trieste - Albania
A Vienna - Trieste
England:
F Edinburgh - North Sea
A Liverpool - Wales
F London - English Channel
France:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Marseilles - Piedmont (*Bounce*)
A Paris - Burgundy
Germany:
A Berlin - Kiel
F Kiel - Denmark
A Munich - Ruhr
Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome - Apulia
A Venice - Piedmont (*Bounce*)
Russia:
A Moscow - St Petersburg
F Sevastopol - Rumania
F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
A Warsaw - Ukraine
Turkey:
F Ankara - Black Sea
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Smyrna - Armenia
DEADLINE:
The Fall 1901 deadline will be set for ***Thursday, February 26th, 9:00pm EST*** I am going to be gone all next weekend which is why I want the deadline to be right before I go. If you need extra time, let me know before the deadline, or else you will be charged a grace period.
PLAYERS:
Ctry : Italy
Name : Alex Maslow
Email : Blueraider0-at-gmail.com ([email]Blueraider0-at-gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : England
Name : Kyle Rudge
Email : krudge-at-goldenwestradio.com ([email]krudge-at-goldenwestradio.com[/email])
Ctry : Russia
Name : Justin Card
Email : justin-at-darkenedpath.com ([email]justin-at-darkenedpath.com[/email])
Ctry : France
Name : Ross Yaggy
Email : ross826-at-gmail.com ([email]ross826-at-gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Austria
Name : Joe Rizzo
Email : kangaroohp-at-aol.com ([email]kangaroohp-at-aol.com[/email])
Ctry : Germany
Name : Matthew Stevenson
Email : rocketship.rocketship-at-gmail.com ([email]rocketship.rocketship-at-gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Turkey
Name : Michael Walters
Email : michael.alan.walters-at-gmail.com ([email]michael.alan.walters-at-gmail.com[/email])
PRESS:
DATELINE SWITZERLAND, April, 1901
Let's Play DipJeopardy...
Now entering our studio are today's players...Representing England, Kyle :::applause:::
Representing France, Ross :::growing applause::: Representing Germany, Matthew ::::raucous applause:::
Representing Italy, don't call me Alex, Maslow :::deafening applause::: Representing The Bear - Russia, Justin :::raucous, deafening applause::: Recently bathed and representing Turkey, Michael :::thunderous ovation::: and representing the peoples of Austria and Hungary, Joe :::pity clap::: And I'm bobbarkerfan standing in for Alex Trebek...
Bobbarkerfan: "Welcome players. Let's take a look at the board and see today's categories...We have "Bodies of Water," "Liars & Cheats," "Words beginning with 'F'," "Monty Python," "Animal House," and "Potpourri." ...and remember players, we have hidden one Daily Double somewhere on the board to help you."
Bobbarkerfan: "Maslow, you won the grenade toss back stage, select for us, won't you? And, players, remember to phrase your response in the form of a question."
Maslow: "I'll take 'Animal House' for $100,"
Bobbarkerfan: "And the answer is...'Double Secret Probation.'"
:::Kyle buzzes in:: "What is a probation that is like you know supposed to be kept secret twice?"
Bobbarkerfan: "Not what we were looking for..."
:::Justin buzzes in::: "What is what Turkey will be placed on if he violates our DMZ and heads into the Black Sea?"
Bobbarkerfan: "Correct, select..."
Justin: "I'll take 'Animal House' for $200, bobbarkerfan."
Bobbarkerfan: "And the answer is 'They bombed Pearl Harbor.'"
:::Michael buzzes in::: "Who are the Peloponnesians?"
Bobbarkerfan: "No."
:::Joe buzzes in::: "Who are the Swiss?"
Bobbarkerfan: "No..."
:::Kyle buzzes in::: "The German's, but it's 1901 and the airplane hasn't been invented yet?"
Bobbarkerfan: "That's it, select..."
Kyle: "I'll take 'Animal House' for $300."
Boboarkerfan: "And the answer is...'May I have 10,000 marbles, please?'"
:::Matthew buzzes in::: "What is, what I intend to use to conquer France?"
Bobbarkerfan: "Select..."
Matthew: "I'll take 'Animal House' for $400."
Bobbarkerfan: "We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part."
:::Maslow buzzes in::: "What were Austria's opening moves?"
Bobbarkerfan: "Probably true, but not what we were looking for..."
:::Ross buzzes in::: "What are the German demands that he get HOL, BEL and DEN in '01?"
Bobbarkerfan: "Seems reasonable to me...again, not what we are looking for..."
:::Michael buzzes in::: "What is A SYR convoyed to STP(nc)?"
Bobbarkerfan: "Yes..."
Michael: "Let's finish up 'Animal House' for $500..."
Bobbarkerfan: "And the answer is...'Look, these parades you throw are very expensive. You using my police, my sanitation people, and my Oldsmobiles free of charge. So, if you mention extortion again, I'll have your legs broken.'"
:::Joe buzzes in::: "What did Maslow offer to do if I didn't give him Greece?"
Bobbarkerfan: "Sadly, yes."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Greetings from Vienna:
Oh it is a bee-u-tee-ful day here in Vienna. Let me introduce myself. I am Mitolo, Jester to Kings...or is that King of the Jesters?
My liege, Franz Ferdinand, is a liitle tied up in the basement right now and has asked that I step in and say a few words on his behalf.
Um...let's see, the people of Austria-Hungary are friends to all...blah, blah, blah, peace-loving...blah, blah, blah...oh here's the important part...and in need of wenches who will do the wild thing. Applicants should apply in person. Prior experience desireable but not necessary. EOE.
Mitolo
That ends the press for the spring. Hope you all enjoy, have a good week, and get those orders in!
Joey[Reply] |
| DC270: German Solo! - Colonel_Mustard (Feb 20, 2010, 9:08 pm) |
An expected ending - vengeful, petty, overwrought. One of the worst online diplomacy experiences I've ever had. Diplomaticorp is broken. You were a bully, Darryl. Go back to playing and leave the GMing to someone else.
From: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
To: aefgirt7(at)yahoo.com; chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com; ianxshaw(at)gmail.com; josepayne(at)gmail.com; bwhotmale1(at)hotmail.com; psychosis(at)sky.com
Cc: dc270(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, February 19, 2010 8:38:06 AM
Subject: DC270: German Solo!
All,
I have not heard from Dan (Austria); either in response to the public vote for a German Solo or with order for the current season. However, as Dan has now missed two deadlines, house rules are that I replace him. Still, due to the fact that Germany can occupy two supplies this season . . . and I see no way a new Austria would be able to change the out come, I am reluctant to get a replacement just to end the game the way we all know it will end anyway.
Therefore, I have decided to remove Austria from the game and call it a unanimous vote for the German Solo. Congratulations, Joe on the victory.
At this point it is of interest to hear how the game developed for each of you in End-of-Game statements. If you are not familiar with this, please take the time to review the game (I have attached the dpy file for your use, or you can see the progression of the game by using the slide show feature on the DiplomaticCorp site). Try to remember where key actions occurred during the game and explain why you did what you did . . . when you did it (I hope that makes sense). Also, try to view things from the view of the other players who will be interested in why you stabbed them when you did . . . or why you did not follow a particular agreement or another. If you were with this game from the beginning, remember that some action you took early in the game will be of interest to others as well; so, don't just look at the last few years but all the way back to the beginning . . . if possible. If you are a replacement player, please explain the situation when you joined the game and what influenced you to play the way you did . . . or didn't.
Congratulations again to Joe on the German Solo victory and I look forward to reading your EOG Statements.
Darryl (GM: DC270)[Reply] |
| DC 285: Fall 298 Results - blueraider0 at gmail.com (Feb 20, 2010, 7:49 pm) |
We have two erroneous orders and one unit that NMR'd (and another unit that NMR'd to the misorder). One misorder is quite consequential, the other is not terribly awful, and the one unit that NMR'd might as well have held. So here are the orders.
Rome:
A Etruria - Massilia (*Fails*)
F Punic Sea to Thaesus (No such province)
A Rhaetia - Vindobona
A Roma - Neapolis (*Bounce*)
F Sicilia - Neapolis (*Bounce*)
Carthage:
F Ausonian Sea - Neapolis (*Bounce*)
F Berber Sea Convoys A Sardinia - Carthage
F Ligurian Sea - Baleares
A Massilia, NMR
A Sardinia - Carthage
A Tarraconensis Supports A Massilia
A Thapsus Supports A Sardinia - Carthage
Persia:
A Armenia - Chersonesus (*Bounce*)
F Byzantium - Macedonia (*Fails*)
A Cappadocia - Sinope
F Cilician Strait - Miletus (*Fails*)
A Dacia Supports F Byzantium - Macedonia
A Galatia Supports A Cappadocia - Sinope
F Miletus - Byzantium (*Fails*)
A Tyre Hold
Greece:
F Black Sea Supports A Macedonia - Byzantium
A Dalmatia - Illyria
A Macedonia - Byzantium (*Fails*)
A Sinope - Chersonesus (*Dislodged*)
F Sparta, NMR
F Athens to Messenian Sea (*Fails* No unit in Athens, provinces not connected anyway)
Egypt:
A Bayuda - Sahara
F Egyptian Sea Hold
F Gulf of Tacape Supports F Punic Sea - Thapsus (*Void*)
A Jerusalem - Tyre (*Fails*)
A Leptis - Numidia
F Libyan Sea Supports F Gulf of Tacape
F Minoan Sea - Aegean Sea
A Phazania - Cirta
Check map for errors. All misorders and NMRs were already double checked, so don't bother arguing.
Need 1 retreat. Greek army in Sinope can retreat to Bithynia or OTB. Retreat deadline is Tuesday Feb 23rd, but I'll adjud sooner if I get the order and "final" in the subject. Also, this was a fall move, so I'll need builds, so feel free to start thinking about that.
Carthage will lose 1
Egypt will gain 2
Persiwill gain 1
Greece will have to disband one, but may retreat Sinope OTB to prevent that (of course, he may also retreat to Bithynia and then disband Bithynia in the winter).
Builds/disbands will be required sometime towards the end of next week - deadline will be set once I get the retreat.
--
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. and sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing. The shadow, even the darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you - That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn't. They kept going because they were holding onto something."
"What are we holding onto, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."[Reply] |
| DC 285: Fall 298 Results (dc285) AceRimmer Feb 22, 12:18 pm |
Alex,
All misorders and NMRs were
already double checked, so don't bother arguing.
This almost sounds like a challenge, doesn't it? I pick up thy gauntlet, oh noble knight. I apologize if the following is an example of using a cannon to kill a rabbit.
F Punic Sea to Thaesus (No such province)
A Massilia, NMR
F Sparta, NMR
F Athens to Messenian Sea (*Fails* No unit in
Athens, provinces not connected anyway)
The House Rules are interesting on these misorders. Clearly, the overriding rule is:
"The GM holds the final say on any in-game dispute."
So, in the end, what you say decides the issue.
I understand the NMR for F Sparta. I do know GMs who would 'correct' the order, but Sparta is clearly not Athens, and the NMR makes sense to me.
But I confess to scratching my head at F Punic to Thaesus. True, there is no Thaesus. But there is a Thapsus, which differs by only one letter from Thaesus. And Thapsus is right next door to Punic Sea (so, it makes contextual sense). Furthermore, there is no other province even remotely similar in name to Thaesus. The *only* (and I use this word full-knowing how categorical it is) logical in-board interpretation of Thaesus is that it should be Thapsus. If you can show me a plausible ambiguity in interpretation, I will withdraw my challenge.
There are two House Rules sort of pertaining to this misorder, but neither takes it head on. First:
"In the case of an ambiguous order, the GM may void the move and have the unit stand."
Admittedly, this rule is located amidst a discussion of province abbreviations, but (a) most every set of House Rules has such a blanket provision, and (b) it makes sense that ambiguity should be treated the same whether a player types out full names or whether they use abbreviations. According to this rule, if a typo causes ambiguity, then the GM may void the order. But, as argued above, 'Thaesus' did not create ambiguity.
The second House Rule is:
"If there is a typo that leads to an incorrect order, it will be read as-is."
I am assuming that this is the House Rule being used in your interpretation. Perhaps the rule requires further explication, because the example used in the House Rules is "Ven to Rum" in the place of "Ven to Rom". So, the context of the rule implies that it applies in instances when the typo significantly change the meaning of the order. It does not necessarily imply that spelling will be grounds for nullification.
And that is why I am confused by the no-such-province adjudication of:
F Punic Sea to Thaesus
Are you really requiring that we submit our orders with perfect spelling?!? (Because that's what this boils down to). I mean to say... Chersonesus is a bugger to spell. Does it really matter whether I type Chersonesus, Chersenesus, Chersonnesus, etc...? The intent is crystal clear. If I want to get really pedantic, I would ask how 'Thaesus' is any less correct than orders I have previously submitted such as 'F Alexandria - Libyan' (there is a Libyan Sea, but not a Libyan).
So, to summarize my point:
When there is no ambiguity in province designation, do you really want spelling to override player intent?
[Yes, I understand that this very possibly could be an 'intentional misorder' on Rome's part, but do you really want to create this precedent in order to enable a misorder?]
Thank you for considering my argument,
Adam |
| DC 285: Fall 298 Results (dc285) offdisc Feb 22, 01:09 pm |
Maslow,
I hate to be a thorn in your side, but I also agree with Adam on the
Pun -> Tha issue. In fact, solely because if the order was written as
such, it would have been accepted!
I think part of the problem (and it's a bit of a gripe on my part) is
that the units on the maps sit on top of the names. So when filling
out orders, I either have to rely on my memory or retrieve an older
map, or find an empty map online. I had to do that this turn when
remember if "Cilician" was "Silician" or "Cilician". I even typed
Sicilian at first, but saw that error immediately and fixed it. The
reason I typed the entire name was so that if there was a slight typo,
the meaning would be clear.
[Warning: Slight Rant follows]
I understand that if you are using RealPolitic or other software to
assist in adjudicating, correcting typos is extra work. On the other
hand, I believe software should be used as described -- to "assist" in
judging, but not be the end-all be-all. That is the reason *I* choose
to NOT use any software when I GM. Yes, it takes more time, but it
also keeps me more involved and in touch with the game. Of course
that is a personal preference and I don't expect anyone else to follow
it. BUT, I think it may be a better course for most GMs to not rely
entirely on software to rule the game.
[Rant over]
All that being said, whatever your final decision is, we will follow!
Thanks,
Michael
---------
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
"Whenever some act of wondrous power must be performed, Michael is
sent" --- Pope Saint Gregory the Great
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Adam Martin-Schwarze
<smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Alex,
[quote:55c9b84816]All misorders and NMRs were
already double checked, so don't bother arguing.
This almost sounds like a challenge, doesn't it? I pick up thy gauntlet, oh noble knight. I apologize if the following is an example of using a cannon to kill a rabbit.
F Punic Sea to Thaesus (No such province)
A Massilia, NMR
F Sparta, NMR
F Athens to Messenian Sea (*Fails* No unit in
Athens, provinces not connected anyway)
The House Rules are interesting on these misorders. Clearly, the overriding rule is:
"The GM holds the final say on any in-game dispute."
So, in the end, what you say decides the issue.
I understand the NMR for F Sparta. I do know GMs who would 'correct' the order, but Sparta is clearly not Athens, and the NMR makes sense to me.
But I confess to scratching my head at F Punic to Thaesus. True, there is no Thaesus. But there is a Thapsus, which differs by only one letter from Thaesus. And Thapsus is right next door to Punic Sea (so, it makes contextual sense). Furthermore, there is no other province even remotely similar in name to Thaesus. The *only* (and I use this word full-knowing how categorical it is) logical in-board interpretation of Thaesus is that it should be Thapsus. If you can show me a plausible ambiguity in interpretation, I will withdraw my challenge.
There are two House Rules sort of pertaining to this misorder, but neither takes it head on. First:
"In the case of an ambiguous order, the GM may void the move and have the unit stand."
Admittedly, this rule is located amidst a discussion of province abbreviations, but (a) most every set of House Rules has such a blanket provision, and (b) it makes sense that ambiguity should be treated the same whether a player types out full names or whether they use abbreviations. According to this rule, if a typo causes ambiguity, then the GM may void the order. But, as argued above, 'Thaesus' did not create ambiguity.
The second House Rule is:
"If there is a typo that leads to an incorrect order, it will be read as-is."
I am assuming that this is the House Rule being used in your interpretation. Perhaps the rule requires further explication, because the example used in the House Rules is "Ven to Rum" in the place of "Ven to Rom". So, the context of the rule implies that it applies in instances when the typo significantly change the meaning of the order. It does not necessarily imply that spelling will be grounds for nullification.
And that is why I am confused by the no-such-province adjudication of:
F Punic Sea to Thaesus
Are you really requiring that we submit our orders with perfect spelling?!? (Because that's what this boils down to). I mean to say... Chersonesus is a bugger to spell. Does it really matter whether I type Chersonesus, Chersenesus, Chersonnesus, etc...? The intent is crystal clear. If I want to get really pedantic, I would ask how 'Thaesus' is any less correct than orders I have previously submitted such as 'F Alexandria - Libyan' (there is a Libyan Sea, but not a Libyan).
So, to summarize my point:
When there is no ambiguity in province designation, do you really want spelling to override player intent?
[Yes, I understand that this very possibly could be an 'intentional misorder' on Rome's part, but do you really want to create this precedent in order to enable a misorder?]
Thank you for considering my argument,
Adam
[/quote:55c9b84816] |
| DC 285: Fall 298 Results (dc285) blueraider0 at gmail.com Feb 22, 02:15 pm |
Raving Coyotes, ahem - I mean distinguished gentlemen,
Well, I put the "don't bother arguing" because the misorder is particularly important. And having a public argument over the issue was the last thing I wanted, because I'm suspicious that despite all discussion over rules, any vote would ultimately be more on the "does this help me" platform, instead of the rules discussed. Does a trickle up economy create jobs? Maybe, but dammit, I'm at the top and deserve that money! Let me decide where to let it flow! In the future, PLEASE send these sort of e-mails one-to-one.
But since it is public, here was my decision making process.
I just came back from a Dip tournament a few weeks ago where rules were very strict on misorders
I looked at my keyboard and realized that P and E are not close to each other, and so this is not necessarily an erroneous key stroke.
My personal experience is that Dip players are more often than not very careful and a misorder is intentional. This is not to say this misorder was or was not intentional, but often I have seen GMs "correct" misorders, only to be later "recorrected." It causes quite a mess. Better to be too strict and get everyone in line than to be too kind and cause a bigger problem.
Misorders happen in the real world as well as in the game.
Thaesus sounds like a perfectly ancient province and I actually double checked there wasn't some tiny province called Thaesus in that area I hadn't noticed before.
I recently finished a variant map (Versailles) game and always had a blank map (blank of units, not province names) handy to avoid such problems.
In addition:
I don't use RealPolitik's ability to insert orders into the program; I'm honestly not sure how to even do that. I have an overriding paranoia of technology and don't like second level commanding - that is: I like to be as hands on as possible. I point and click every single order.
Pun to Tha would have been an acceptable order. But that was not what was written. And as for the Ven to Rom/Rum issue, if you can't type 3 letters right / be bothered to check your work, then I don't see why I should cut you any slack.
So here's what I'm going to do. The order remains as is. In the future, if there is an order that I notice is invalid, I will note this when I "recieve" your orders, and you'll have the chance to fix the order (or not, if you so wish). If I don't notice or don't recieve an updated order by the time of the deadline, too bad. Let that be more motivation for you to send orders before the deadline starts closing in.
I hope that pleases either all parties, or nobody. Equality for all!
Take care, and still waiting on that Greek retreat!
-Maslow
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com ([email]mrh(at)panix.com[/email])> wrote:
Maslow,
I hate to be a thorn in your side, but I also agree with Adam on the
Pun -> Tha issue. In fact, solely because if the order was written as
such, it would have been accepted!
I think part of the problem (and it's a bit of a gripe on my part) is
that the units on the maps sit on top of the names. So when filling
out orders, I either have to rely on my memory or retrieve an older
map, or find an empty map online. I had to do that this turn when
remember if "Cilician" was "Silician" or "Cilician". I even typed
Sicilian at first, but saw that error immediately and fixed it. "The
reason I typed the entire name was so that if there was a slight typo,
the meaning would be clear."
[Warning: Slight Rant follows]
I understand that if you are using RealPolitic or other software to
assist in adjudicating, correcting typos is extra work. On the other
hand, I believe software should be used as described -- to "assist" in
judging, but not be the end-all be-all. That is the reason *I* choose
to NOT use any software when I GM. Yes, it takes more time, but it
also keeps me more involved and in touch with the game. Of course
that is a personal preference and I don't expect anyone else to follow
it. BUT, I think it may be a better course for most GMs to not rely
entirely on software to rule the game.
[Rant over]
All that being said, whatever your final decision is, we will follow!
Thanks,
Michael
---------
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
"Whenever some act of wondrous power must be performed, Michael is
sent" --- Pope Saint Gregory the Great
On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Adam Martin-Schwarze
<smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com ([email]smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:44c1ac6e9d]Alex,
[quote:44c1ac6e9d]All misorders and NMRs were
already double checked, so don't bother arguing.
This almost sounds like a challenge, doesn't it? I pick up thy gauntlet, oh noble knight. I apologize if the following is an example of using a cannon to kill a rabbit.
F Punic Sea to Thaesus (No such province)
A Massilia, NMR
F Sparta, NMR
F Athens to Messenian Sea (*Fails* No unit in
Athens, provinces not connected anyway)
The House Rules are interesting on these misorders. Clearly, the overriding rule is:
"The GM holds the final say on any in-game dispute."
So, in the end, what you say decides the issue.
I understand the NMR for F Sparta. I do know GMs who would 'correct' the order, but Sparta is clearly not Athens, and the NMR makes sense to me.
But I confess to scratching my head at F Punic to Thaesus. True, there is no Thaesus. But there is a Thapsus, which differs by only one letter from Thaesus. And Thapsus is right next door to Punic Sea (so, it makes contextual sense). Furthermore, there is no other province even remotely similar in name to Thaesus. The *only* (and I use this word full-knowing how categorical it is) logical in-board interpretation of Thaesus is that it should be Thapsus. If you can show me a plausible ambiguity in interpretation, I will withdraw my challenge.
There are two House Rules sort of pertaining to this misorder, but neither takes it head on. First:
"In the case of an ambiguous order, the GM may void the move and have the unit stand."
Admittedly, this rule is located amidst a discussion of province abbreviations, but (a) most every set of House Rules has such a blanket provision, and (b) it makes sense that ambiguity should be treated the same whether a player types out full names or whether they use abbreviations. According to this rule, if a typo causes ambiguity, then the GM may void the order. But, as argued above, 'Thaesus' did not create ambiguity.
The second House Rule is:
"If there is a typo that leads to an incorrect order, it will be read as-is."
I am assuming that this is the House Rule being used in your interpretation. Perhaps the rule requires further explication, because the example used in the House Rules is "Ven to Rum" in the place of "Ven to Rom". So, the context of the rule implies that it applies in instances when the typo significantly change the meaning of the order. It does not necessarily imply that spelling will be grounds for nullification.
And that is why I am confused by the no-such-province adjudication of:
F Punic Sea to Thaesus
Are you really requiring that we submit our orders with perfect spelling?!? (Because that's what this boils down to). I mean to say... Chersonesus is a bugger to spell. Does it really matter whether I type Chersonesus, Chersenesus, Chersonnesus, etc...? The intent is crystal clear. If I want to get really pedantic, I would ask how 'Thaesus' is any less correct than orders I have previously submitted such as 'F Alexandria - Libyan' (there is a Libyan Sea, but not a Libyan).
So, to summarize my point:
When there is no ambiguity in province designation, do you really want spelling to override player intent?
[Yes, I understand that this very possibly could be an 'intentional misorder' on Rome's part, but do you really want to create this precedent in order to enable a misorder?]
Thank you for considering my argument,
Adam
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--
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. and sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing. The shadow, even the darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you - That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn't. They kept going because they were holding onto something."
"What are we holding onto, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for." |
| DC 285: Fall 298 Results (dc285) sgttodd Feb 22, 02:50 pm |
I use RealWorld/Realpolitik as my clerical staff. I also use it when submitting orders to avoid this sort of thing. Looking at the map image alone, the space in question is easily misread and subsequently misspelled. I'm sure others are too, but I've had a run in with this issue already.
Since no official abbreviation list was made available and we're left with the map alone to determine space names, I think some leeway in their spellings should be allowed, not for fat-fingering the keyboard, but for not being able to read the Latinish names on the map.
Besides how do you know his spell-checker did up and "fix it" without his realizing it when he send?
So, for future reference, here are the names and abbreviations right out of the RP file:
Adriatic Sea, adr
Aegean Sea, aeg
Alexandria, ale
Antioch, ant
Apulia, apu
Arabia, ara
Armenia, arm
Athens, ath
Ausonian Sea, aus
Baleares, bal
Bayuda, bay
Berber Sea, ber
Bithynia, bit
Black Sea, bla
Byzantium, byz
Cappadocia, cap
Carthage, car
Chersonesus, che
Cilician Strait, cil
Cirta, cir
Corsica, cor
Crete, cre
Cyprus, cyp
Cyrene, cyr
Dacia, dac
Dalmatia, dal
Damascus, dam
Egyptian Sea, egy
Epirus, epi
Etruria, etr
Galatia, gal
Gaul, gau
Gulf of Pelusium, gop
Gulf of Syrtis, gos
Gulf of Tacape, got
Iberian Sea, ibe
Illyria, ill
Ionian Sea, ion
Isauria, isa
Jerusalem, jer
Leptis, lep
Libyan Sea, lib
Ligurian Sea, lig
Lusitania, lus
Macedonia, mac
Marmarica, mar
Massilia, mas
Mauretania, mau
Memphis, mem
Messenian Sea, mes
Miletus, mil
Minoan Sea, min
Nabatea, nab
Neapolis, nea
Numidia, num
Petra, pet
Phazania, pha
Punic Sea, pun
Ravenna, rav
Reed Sea, ree
Rhaetia, rha
Roma, rom
Saguntum, sag
Sahara, sah
Sardinia, sad
Sarmatia, sam
Sicilia, sic
Sidon, sid
Sinai, sii
Sinope, sip
Sparta, spa
Syrian Sea, syr
Tarraconensis, tar
Thapsus, tha
Thebes, the
Tyre, tye
Tyrrhenean Sea, tyn
Venetia, ven
Vindobona, vin
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jerry Todd
Carthage
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| DC270: German EOG - chaosonejoe (Feb 20, 2010, 5:51 pm) |
Thanks for all the congrats earlier in the week, and the votes for the solo.
Ironically, I started the game figuring this would be a short one for me. In the first week, no responses from either France or England, and that tends to mean bad news for Germany. I figured agressive was the only way to play, and secured assurances from Russia and Austria that we wouldn't have any border issues.
That first turn had the deadline situation, and I for one wasn't going to sit for another week, figuring my two belligerent neighbors were already against me. I did get a late message from England, but wasn't sure what to make of it.
Denmark and Holland were obvious, and I figured I'd take a chance at Belgium for a third build. Italy did me a favor by threatening Marseilles, and I took the risk in the lowlands, still thinking EF alliance (but at the time figuring there was a strange lack of communication.)
Grabbing three that early put a target on me, but I was also clearly at war with EF, and both Austria and Russia seemed to be playing nice ... there was a strong sense of short term alliance with Austria (But also a sense that we'd stab each other once we could) and a general sense of agreement with Russia, with the strong anti-bear moves by England.
I tried to play out England and France, and figured France to be my target, and would work with Russia against England as much as possible. I just don't comprehend the French moves in 1902. I figured a stalemate would occur, and moved into Gascony at the opportunity. I believe I tried to woo Italy, but the Southeast was nicely active, keeping me from being pulled into any sense of a Russia-Austria war.
Austria and Italy were hot for Tyrolia, and I made some promises I simply could not keep, playing them against each other. My Munich Army was mostly stationary, but was a defensive and support pillar of strength for me. Because of the I/A dynamics, I was happy to sit and watch them and play along. Meanwhile E/R were battling nicely in the north, and I was trying to grind out France. But I did leap at the opportunity to grab the North Sea, and lead England into alliance thoughts against Russia.
Russia turned the tide against England, and warned me of a build in Warsaw. I had concerns there, as I was hip-deep against France, and committed against England, and could have been squeezed. But still, Italy was looking to gain in Marseilles, and that was an easy promise to make -- a support. Thankfully, Russian held true to his word and moved against Austria. I sensed more than just distrust between A/R, and figured to promise enough to both to stay out of it, just as I had done with I/A.
At this point, I figured Austria to be well committed to not be a threat, but was annoying Italy more in that corner. I just wanted to grind out France and England. I was starting to count centers by 1905, and was eyeballing Russia's gains and Italy's potential in Iberia.
When the new French player came on, I made an offer I don't like, but basically said 'give me Brest and one center from Iberia and I'd leave him alone to fight Italy. He didn't take it, but I didn't mind. At that point, I was going to grind him down.
Around this time, England snuck into Holland, and Russia looked to be gaining English home centers, so I had some concern about my pacing. But Austria gained ground fast against Russia. Dan made one DMZ (Silesia) in his war against Russia. I was content to see them all-out war, and figured I'd get involved if and when I had to.
I felt the turning point of the game was when Dan then moved to Silesia to position for Warsaw. While he did request the move, it clearly voided our agreement, and at that point, I sided with Russia in principle, and ousted the Austrian army.
For whatever reason, the heat between Russia and Austria grew high, and I made deals with Russia about English Territories, trading for position purposes. Russia was hopelessly split in half, and I could see him crumbling, and offered as much support as possibly, and gladly accepted his offer of a slow retreat, where I could pick up centers from him.
At that point, I could sense that patience would bring me Iberia, and I could seize Scandanavia almost at will. It was strange that Turkey made it seem like the game was Austria's to win, but I saw no way Dan could out-race me for centers. Yet, my position was still just good/very good, and that kept me enough under the radar.
The stalemate line was set against Austria, and Italy proved effective in holding his centers. And then, I saw that I had an opening in North Africa, and swung an Army down there as I finally grabbed Marseilles from Italy.
There was no agreement with France, but I figured if he didn't support Italy on the way out, I'd keep him alive. Russia did throw me a center early, but after that, there was really no way he could have held me off. Once Austria broke him in half, the game was rather sealed for me -- all I had to do was help avoid a complete Russian collapse, and there was no way Austria could eat up Russia and Turkey when I had already consumed England and France and was only a few centers away from 18.
It was great playing with everyone, and kudos to Darryl for GMing.
Joe Babinsack[Reply] |
| The excitement builds... (2) - FuzzyLogic (Feb 20, 2010, 1:51 pm) |
Hey again,
With a full slate of players our game is but moments away…
Those who haven’t, please read the message below and get back
to me w the requisite confirmations and preference list.
If you’ve already sent that to me great!
*If I do not receive this from you, you will not be in the game*
-mike
From: Michael Sims
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:52 PM
Cc: dc303
Subject: The excitement builds...
Hi all,
Nothing like a little artificially created excitement to get a game off to a good start... just letting you all know that we're at 17 players now, 2 more and we'll be off and running! If you haven't already, I'll need each of you to confirm that you're in this game to the end. This is a big map, so if you should be so lucky as to do well, it could be well over a year of real life time. I fully expect it will go this long. If that's not ok, *now* is the time to opt out. And if you should be one of those less lucky who gets slammed, I need to know that you're in it to the death.
This variant is a personal creation of mine that took about 3 months to develop, followed by two previous plays! I have sent out a lot of invites for this game -- and only invited people that I've either played against and had a good experience with, or who have come highly regarded by somoene else, or so on... net result is that I think we have an outstanding group here. Some excellent diplomats that I haven't seen in years have come out of the woodwork for this game, so I'm excited to get it going!
If you haven't yet, be sure to read up on the 3 basic rule additions (they're not that complex really, it's just the Eternal Build Centers, the Underworld, and the Rivers) at www.dipwiki.com?title=Haven.
So get back to me...
* To confirm your interest, and that you know it could be a year long game and you're ok w that
* To give me a list of preferences if you like, or take your chances with random
Thanks!
-mike[Reply] |
| DC280 spring 1907 adjudications - bobbarkerfan1 (Feb 20, 2010, 10:57 am) |
Hello everyone. Hope you are all doing well. Everyone is starting to get a little sloppy with orders now, we had two missed deadlines, and both players had already used their grace periods. Luckily for both of them, they were not attacked. Here are the results:
ORDERS:
Austria:
A Budapest Supports A Serbia
A Bulgaria Hold
F Greece Supports A Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Naples Supports A Rome
A Rome Supports A Naples
A Serbia Supports A Bulgaria
A Venice - Trieste
A Vienna Supports A Budapest
France:
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
F English Channel - London
A Holland Supports A Kiel
F Liverpool - Clyde
A London - Yorkshire
A Marseilles Hold
A Ruhr - Belgium
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold (*Dislodged*)
Germany:
A Kiel, no move received
A Tyrolia, no move received
Italy:
A North Africa Hold
F Tunis Supports F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea, no move received
A Berlin, no move received
F Black Sea, no move received
F Constantinople, no move received
A Denmark, no move received
A Munich, no move received
F North Sea, no move received
F Norwegian Sea, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Silesia, no move received
A Ukraine, no move received
A Warsaw, no move received
DEADLINE:
The French fleet in Tyrrhenian Sea will need to be retreated or disbanded. I am only going to post a deadline for the summer retreat. So if you can get that in by ***Sunday, Feb. 21st, 9:00pm EST*** that would be great! Once I get the retreat, I will set a deadline for Fall 1907.
PLAYERS:
Ctry : Russia
Name : Tim Fuhrmeister
Email : timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com ([email]timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Italy
Name : Fredrik Blom
Email : fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])
Ctry : Germany
Name : Jeffrey Cole
Email : jeffcole854(at)gmail.com ([email]jeffcole854(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : France
Name : Mark Utterback
Email : MDemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]MDemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Austria
Name : Ross Yaggy
Email : ross826(at)gmail.com ([email]ross826(at)gmail.com[/email])
Joey[Reply] |
| DC280 spring 1907 adjudications (dc280) bobbarkerfan1 Feb 20, 10:59 pm |
Good evening everyone,
I got the retreat from Mark, so we are set for a Fall deadline.
RETREATS:
French F Tys to West Med
DEADLINE:
The Fall 1907 deadline will be ***Thursday, February 25th, 9:00pm EST*** I am going to be gone that weekend, which is why I want to get everything sent out Thursday. Please get the orders in on time this time, I don't want to have to look for replacements, and I'm sure you all don't want to either to keep the game going and more enjoyable.
PLAYERS:
Ctry : Russia
Name : Tim Fuhrmeister
Email : timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com ([email]timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Italy
Name : Fredrik Blom
Email : fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])
Ctry : Germany
Name : Jeffrey Cole
Email : jeffcole854(at)gmail.com ([email]jeffcole854(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : France
Name : Mark Utterback
Email : MDemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]MDemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Austria
Name : Ross Yaggy
Email : ross826(at)gmail.com ([email]ross826(at)gmail.com[/email])
Hope you all have a great week! And get those orders in!
Joey
From: Joey Pedicini <bobbarkerfan1ped(at)yahoo.com>
To: timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com; fredrik(at)familjenblom.se; jeffcole854(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; ross826(at)gmail.com; peterawleggett(at)yahoo.com; dc280(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Sat, February 20, 2010 11:57:58 AM
Subject: DC280 spring 1907 adjudications
Hello everyone. Hope you are all doing well. Everyone is starting to get a little sloppy with orders now, we had two missed deadlines, and both players had already used their grace periods. Luckily for both of them, they were not attacked. Here are the results:
ORDERS:
Austria:
A Budapest Supports A Serbia
A Bulgaria Hold
F Greece Supports A Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Naples Supports A Rome
A Rome Supports A Naples
A Serbia Supports A Bulgaria
A Venice - Trieste
A Vienna Supports A Budapest
France:
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
F English Channel - London
A Holland Supports A Kiel
F Liverpool - Clyde
A London - Yorkshire
A Marseilles Hold
A Ruhr - Belgium
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold (*Dislodged*)
Germany:
A Kiel, no move received
A Tyrolia, no move received
Italy:
A North Africa Hold
F Tunis Supports F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea, no move received
A Berlin, no move received
F Black Sea, no move received
F Constantinople, no move received
A Denmark, no move received
A Munich, no move received
F North Sea, no move received
F Norwegian Sea, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Silesia, no move received
A Ukraine, no move received
A Warsaw, no move received
DEADLINE:
The French fleet in Tyrrhenian Sea will need to be retreated or disbanded. I am only going to post a deadline for the summer retreat. So if you can get that in by ***Sunday, Feb. 21st, 9:00pm EST*** that would be great! Once I get the retreat, I will set a deadline for Fall 1907.
PLAYERS:
Ctry : Russia
Name : Tim Fuhrmeister
Email : timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com ([email]timfuhrmeister(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Italy
Name : Fredrik Blom
Email : fredrik(at)familjenblom.se ([email]fredrik(at)familjenblom.se[/email])
Ctry : Germany
Name : Jeffrey Cole
Email : jeffcole854(at)gmail.com ([email]jeffcole854(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : France
Name : Mark Utterback
Email : MDemagogue(at)gmail.com ([email]MDemagogue(at)gmail.com[/email])
Ctry : Austria
Name : Ross Yaggy
Email : ross826(at)gmail.com ([email]ross826(at)gmail.com[/email])
Joey |
| 1926 091119: Summer 1929 Retreats - charlesf (Feb 20, 2010, 8:00 am) |
Hallo zusammen,
since Harvey submitted his orders without asking me to wait until the set adjucation deadline, I'm able to get this out earlier.
I trust Turkey's retreats won't present all that much of a surprise. In any case, it appears the Turkish vanguard in the Trentino shall cause the Duce many a headache.
As said, preliminary Fall Orders are now due no later than Tuesday, 6 PM CET.
Liebe Grüsse,
Charles
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PLAYERS:
BRITAIN: Dirk Knemeyer <dirk(at)knemeyer.com>
FRANCE: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> (joined Spring 192
GERMANY: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>
ITALY: Gregory Bim-Merle <gbimmerle(at)gmail.com> (joined Winter 1927)
POLAND: Wladimir Mysonski <wmysonski(at)gmail.com>
SOVIET UNION: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com>
TURKEY: Harvey Morris <hmtucaz(at)gmail.com>
HEADLINES:
o TURKISH VANGUARD REACHES BOLZANO
RETREATS:
Turkey:
F Tripoli - Eastern Mediterranean
A Yugoslavia - Trentino
SUPPLY CENTER OWNERSHIP (as of Winter 192:
Britain(9): Belgium, Edinburgh, Egypt, Liverpool, London, Norway, Spain, Suez, Sweden.
France(5): Algiers, Brest, Marseille, Paris, Switzerland.
Germany(2): Berlin, Hamburg.
Italy(5): Austria, Milan, Munich, Naples, Rome.
Poland(9):Cracow, Czechia, Gdynia, Latvia, Leningrad, Lithuania, Moscow, Rumania, Warsaw.
Turkey(11): Ankara, Beirut, Bulgaria, Greece, Iraq, Istanbul, Izmir, Persia, Stalingrad, Tripoli, Yugoslavia.
USSR(2): Denmark, Finland.
Minor Powers(4): Hungary, Morocco, Netherlands, Portugal.
DEADLINE SCHEDULE: (all orders are due NLT 6PM CET (GMT+1)...not local time)
o Fall 1929 Moves: (23) 25 February
MAP:[Reply] |
| DC292: Winter 1906 - sam_buck_productions a... (Feb 19, 2010, 11:08 pm) |
Sorry I'm horrendously late, but as we all know, things do happen...
Monday 7pm ET.
Retreats:
Italy Trl-Pie
France Edi-Cly
Builds:
Austria Build F Tri
England Removes F Yor
France Builds F Mar
-Sam Buck
Your GM[Reply] |
| Dc 277: Fall 2002 - AlanRFarrington (Feb 19, 2010, 8:43 pm) |
Hello Everybody,
Big news of the year is that Britain survives another year. While Germany and Italy's borders each get a little smaller.
Italian A Marseilles can retreat to Piedmont or Monaco.
Next Deadline:
Autumn 2002 Orders are due Monday, February 22nd at Midnight GMT (7:00pm EST) [Manos just mark final and I'll adjudicate early.]
Orders:
Britain:
F Ireland Hold
Egypt:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Serbia
A Anatolia - Adana
F Eastern Mediterannean Convoys A Israel - Anatolia
F Greece Supports F Istanbul
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
A Iran Supports A Anatolia - Adana
A Israel - Anatolia
F Istanbul Supports F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
F Izmir Supports F Istanbul
A Macedonia Supports A Serbia
F Rome Hold
A Serbia Hold
A Tunisia - Naples
F Tyrrhenian Sea Convoys A Tunisia - Naples
France:
A Alsace - Switzerland
A Auvergne - Marseilles
A Barcelona Hold
A Holland Hold
F Irish Sea Supports F Mid Atlantic Ocean - North Atlantic Ocean
A Lyon Supports A Auvergne - Marseilles
F Mid Atlantic Ocean - North Atlantic Ocean
F Morroco Hold
A Munich Supports A Alsace - Switzerland
A Paris - Alsace
F Western Mediterranean - Gulf of Lyon (*Fails*)
A Yorkshire - Edinburgh
Germany:
F Bornholm Sea Supports F Skagerrak - Sweden
F Denmark Supports F Skagerrak - Sweden
A Frankfurt - Berlin (*Disbanded*)
A Hamburg Supports A Frankfurt - Berlin
A Liverpool, no move received
A Norway Supports F Skagerrak - Sweden
A Ruhr - Frankfurt (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak - Sweden (*Fails*)
Italy:
A Croatia Hold
F Gulf of Lyon Supports A Marseilles (*Cut*)
A Marseilles Supports A Milan - Switzerland (*Dislodged*)
A Milan - Switzerland (*Fails*)
A Tuscany, no move received
F Venice Supports A Croatia
Poland:
A Austria Supports A Hungary - Croatia (*Void*)
F Baltic Sea Supports A Sweden
A Berlin Supports A Saxony - Frankfurt
A Czech Republic - Saxony
F Gulf of Bothnia Supports A Sweden
A Lapland Supports A Sweden
A Prussia Supports A Berlin
A Saxony - Frankfurt
A Slovakia - Czech Republic
A Sweden Hold
Ukraine:
A Ankara Hold
A Bulgaria Supports A Hungary - Serbia
F Eastern Black Sea Supports A Ankara
A Georgia Supports A Ankara
A Hungary - Serbia (*Fails*)
A Kiev - Odessa
A Podolia - Hungary (*Fails*)
A Rumania Supports A Hungary - Serbia
F Western Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
Players:
Britain: Andrew Tanner ( damienthryn(at)gmail.com ) [Stepped Down]
Jack McHugh ( jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com )
Egypt: Mick Cox ( mickstagman(at)aol.com )
France: Michael Thompson ( psychosis(at)sky.com )
Germany: Isaac Zinner ( isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com )
Italy: Manos Tagar ( etagarakis(at)hotmail.com )
Poland: Joey Pedicini ( bobbarkerfan1ped(at)yahoo.com )
Russia: Jeffrey Clay ( jmc66(at)mac.com ) [Eliminated]
Spain: Michael Sims ( mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ) [Eliminated]
Turkey: Joshua Tag ( sanjat312(at)yahoo.com ) [Eliminated]
Ukraine: Mikael Johansson ( m_don_j(at)hotmail.com )
If anyone spots a mistake with their orders let me know,
Thank you,
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