| DC 180: Adjucation Pending - scaponig (Feb 10, 2009, 7:02 am) |
| Hey guys, Orders are locked and loaded, adjucation will come out tonight. [Reply] |
| Dc220 Spring 1904 - deathblade_penguin (Feb 10, 2009, 2:53 am) |
Dc220 Spring 1904.
Unfortunately I received No moves from Austria/Jason Beck. So I have to give Austria an NMR.
If I dont receive mvoes from Austria for the fall 1904 season, i will reluctantly have to seek a new Austria. Fortunately for Austria, Russia cut a crucial support meaning Austria survives unscathed with this NMR.
Austria:
A Budapest, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
F Greece, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
A Trieste, no move received
A Vienna, no move received
England:
A Edinburgh Hold
F Helgoland Bight - Denmark
F Holland - North Sea
A Norway Supports F Sweden - Finland (*Cut*)
F Norwegian Sea - Barents Sea
F Skagerrak - Sweden (*Bounce*)
F Sweden - Finland
France:
F Belgium - English Channel
A Burgundy - Munich
A Kiel Supports F Helgoland Bight - Denmark
F Marseilles - Gulf of Lyon
A Munich - Silesia
A Paris - Burgundy
F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Western Mediterranean - Tyrrhenian Sea
Germany:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Berlin
A Berlin Hold
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Albania - Greece (*Fails*) VOID MOVE as Adriatic Sea does not border Grece.
A Albania - Greece (*Fails*)
A Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)
Russia:
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden (*Bounce*)
A Prussia - Berlin (*Fails*)
F Sevastopol - Black Sea (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg - Norway (*Fails*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
F Smyrna - Aegean Sea
Dc220 Fall 1904 will be a slightly extended date of Tuesday February 17th at 7pm
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Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:31:26 -0800
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Subject: DC 220 Temp Change of GM
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Folks,
As some of you know things have been pretty hectic in my house lately. The kids and I came down with a horrible stomach virus that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. The kids and I are finally better but we just received word that my husband is being sent back to his home base a few days earlier. That leaves me little less then a week to get packed, find us a truck and an apartment in San Antonio. During this time Stephen Lytton will be taking over GMing for you go so all orders from now on are to be sent to stevelytton(at)hotmail.com.
As soon as we get into San Antonio and we get settled I will take back over. Stephen will be setting a new deadline I believe. Have fun guys and take care. I'll be back in about 2 -3 weeks.. ( hopefully 2! )
-Rachael
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| DC236 Winter Blitz Board 6 - Spring 05 Correction - former.trout (Feb 10, 2009, 2:42 am) |
Hey folks,
Have a slight correction to make in the Spring 05 results. Looks as though both RP and your humble temp GM were fooled by a convoy paradox down around Bulgaria.
Turkey CONVOYED to Bulgaria. This side-steps the advancing Russian army invading Constantinople, but of course still bounces with the Russian move from Rumania.
The net effect - Turkey still is dislodged from Con but manages to set up a traffic jam bouncing traffic back all the way to Ukrainia. Apologies for the error - it was a tricky little bit of adjudication that I missed and my thanks to the players who pointed this out.
The revised map is attached. Fall 05 moves remain due on Thursday, Feb 12th (11:59 PM GMT).
Cheers all!
Trout[Reply] |
| Dc212 Fall 1906 - deathblade_penguin (Feb 10, 2009, 2:08 am) |
Well it seems I was a little skeptical but in the end we came through with all the moves. The good news for 2 of our players, is that they dont have to
submit any more moves for this game..
NOTE: For 'admin' reasons, I've had to list myself as GM of this Game. I will remind you that even the game page states that Rachael is the game, and I am a temporary GM for the moment.
Dc212 Fall 1906
Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Ankara Supports F Aegean Sea - Smyrna (*Cut*)
A Bohemia Supports A Ruhr - Munich (*Cut*)
A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Galicia - Silesia (*Fails*)
A Greece - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rome Hold
A Rumania Hold
A Tyrolia Supports A Ruhr - Munich
England:
F Brest - Gascony
A Burgundy - Paris
F Denmark Supports A Kiel
F English Channel Supports F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Kiel Hold
F Norway Hold
F Norwegian Sea - North Sea
A Picardy Supports A Burgundy - Paris
France:
A Gascony - Burgundy
F Marseilles Hold
A Paris Supports A Gascony - Burgundy (*Dislodged*)
F Spain(sc) - Portugal
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Moscow - Warsaw
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Cut*)
A Sevastopol Hold
A Silesia - Bohemia (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg - Moscow
Turkey:
F Black Sea - Ankara (*Fails*)
Autumn 1906
Interstingly enough, the French Army that was disloged out of Paris can retreat to BREST.
Since this is the only viable retreat (apart from OTB), I am retreating Paris to Brest. If France wishes to disband this army (and not take the SC of Brest of England, he has 24 hours to let me know)
Winter 1906 is due Thursday 12th February at 7pm, Australian EST. (in 48 hours)
Winter Brings about the elimination of Germany (Thankyou Trout) and Turkey (Thankyou Drew for coming in as a replacement player)
Austria: Build 2
England: Build 1 (Note to England, if France retreats OTB, you get to build 2)
Germany: Remove A Ruhr
Turkey: Remove F Black Sea
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| DC 211: F1906R Adjudication - deathblade_penguin (Feb 10, 2009, 1:47 am) |
Gulf of Bothnia Trout... come on.. give it up...
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:03:09 -0800
From: smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC 211: F1906R Adjudication
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English fleet retreats to Gulf of Bothnia
French fleet retreats to Tyrrhenian Sea
Seismic orders are due on Wednesday at the usual 1000 CST.
Map will not be updated on the club website, as I only have five maps (and seven seasons), and I am saving Autumn for the post-Seismic map.
Adam
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| DC215 Fall 1907 Results - MattTheLesser (Feb 09, 2009, 9:43 pm) |
Another very interesting season! Russia does well in the north to seize
Holland, but finds some trouble in the south, with an Italian foursome
of units taking the Czar's Balkan centers for himself and the Sultan
keeping his two units alive by reclaiming Con, albeit at the cost of Ank.
Also we see our third elimination, as the Kaiser finally takes France's
final two units. Thanks again to Mark for stepping into that position
and holding down the fort quite well for a while.
We have no retreats, so we move right on to a winter season that, due to
some disbands, is chalk full of builds. Builds due are listed below the
adjudication, and as usual I will process them as soon as I have them
from all appropriate parties. The deadline will be this Wednesday,
February 11, at 9 pm eastern.
Matt
Adjudication:
France:
F Brest Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Marseilles Hold (*Dislodged*)
Germany:
A Belgium - Holland (*Fails*)
A Burgundy Supports A Spain - Marseilles
F English Channel - Brest
A Kiel Supports A Belgium - Holland (*Cut*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F English Channel - Brest
A Munich Supports A Kiel
A Prussia - Livonia
A Ruhr Supports A Kiel
A Spain - Marseilles
A Yorkshire - London
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Budapest - Rumania
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
F Ionian Sea - Western Mediterranean (*Fails*)
A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Serbia Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold
A Vienna - Galicia
Russia:
A Armenia - Ankara
F Black Sea Supports A Armenia - Ankara
A Bohemia - Silesia
A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports F Aegean Sea - Smyrna (*Disbanded*)
A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
F Edinburgh - North Sea
F Helgoland Bight Supports F North Sea - Holland
F North Sea - Holland
A Warsaw Supports A Bohemia - Silesia
Turkey:
F Ankara - Constantinople
A Smyrna Supports F Ankara - Constantinople
Adjustments due:
Germany:
Build
Italy:
Build
Build
Russia:
Build
Build[Reply] |
| WWIV s11 retreats! - FuzzyLogic (Feb 09, 2009, 9:08 pm) |
Retreats are all in...
NEXT: Fall 11, due Monday 2/16, 10am Pacific!
Brazil:
F Western South Atlantic Ocean(wsa) - Fortaleza(for)
Mexico:
F Acapulco(aca) - Michoacan(mch)
SongEmpire:
A Nanchang(nan) - Hunan(hun)
Thailand:
A Yunan(yun) - Mandalay(mdl)
F Timor Sea(tms) - Timor(tim)[Reply] |
| dc231 - now that's a turn!! - FuzzyLogic (Feb 09, 2009, 8:39 pm) |
That's what we like to see! No pity is spared this round as England takes the royal bath, Germans land in London, Italy goes on the offensivus majorus (that's latin for "big attack" , Austria hangs on by a thread, Turkey feels the pressure mounting, and France manages a magnificant departure of the German troops!
There is one retreat, but Turkish F AEG only has Con for an option... so if nobody objects, we'll just move it there and coast along into Fall. Nigel, if you prefer OTB, just Reply-All and let us know w/in 24 hours.
Fall 05 will be due in 3 (count them uno dos tres) days - Thursday 2/12, 6pm Central / midnight GMT.
Enjoy,
-mike
**************************************************
Austria:
A Rumania Supports A Serbia (*Cut*)
A Serbia Supports A Rumania
England:
F Clyde - Edinburgh (*Bounce*)
F Skagerrak - Norway (*Fails*)
F Wales - London (*Fails*)
France:
A Brest - Picardy
F English Channel Supports A Holland - London
A Marseilles - Spain
F Norwegian Sea - Edinburgh (*Bounce*)
A Paris Supports A Gascony - Burgundy
Germany:
A Belgium Supports A Gascony - Burgundy
A Burgundy - Munich
A Denmark Hold
A Gascony - Burgundy
A Holland - London
F North Sea Convoys A Holland - London
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea
A Albania - Greece (*Fails*)
F Eastern Mediterranean - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Supports F Eastern Mediterranean - Aegean Sea
A Trieste Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Vienna - Budapest
Russia:
A Galicia Supports A Ukraine - Rumania
A Moscow Supports F Sevastopol
F Norway Supports A Sweden (*Cut*)
F Sevastopol Supports A Ukraine - Rumania (*Cut*)
F St Petersburg(nc) Supports F Norway
A Sweden Hold
A Ukraine - Rumania (*Fails*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Greece (*Dislodged*)
A Armenia - Smyrna
F Black Sea - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Bulgaria Supports F Greece
F Greece Hold[Reply] |
| DC234 Winter Blitz Board 4 - Spring 05 Adjudicatio... - former.trout (Feb 09, 2009, 8:13 pm) |
Heya folks,
Sam asked me to pop out the Spring 05 adjudication while he attends some RL commitments. The turn is attached, resulting in one retreat. The German fleet in Sweden can retreat to the Gulf of Bothnia, Baltic Sea or OTB.
Deadline for the Summer 05 retreat will be set for Tuesday, February 10th (11:59 PM GMT).
Please give a shout if you spot any errors. Cheers all!
Substitute Trout
Movement results for Spring of 1905. (DC 234 05 SPR)
England: A Finland Supports F Norway - Sweden.
England: F London Hold.
England: F North Sea - Denmark (*Fails*).
England: F Norway - Sweden.
England: F St Petersburg(nc) Hold.
France: F Belgium Hold.
France: A Marseilles - Burgundy (*Fails*).
France: A Paris Supports A Marseilles - Burgundy (*Cut*).
France: A Picardy Supports F Belgium.
France: A Piedmont - Marseilles (*Fails*).
France: F Spain(nc) - Gascony (*Fails*).
Germany: A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*).
Germany: F Denmark Supports F Sweden (*Cut*).
Germany: A Gascony - Paris (*Fails*).
Germany: A Holland Supports A Burgundy - Belgium.
Germany: F Sweden Supports F Denmark (*Dislodged*).
Italy: F Adriatic Sea Supports F Ionian Sea.
Italy: A Budapest Supports A Serbia.
Italy: F Ionian Sea Hold.
Italy: A Serbia Supports A Venice - Trieste.
Italy: F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Ionian Sea.
Italy: A Venice - Trieste.
Italy: A Vienna - Galicia (*Bounce*).
Russia: A Berlin - Kiel.
Russia: A Moscow - Ukraine.
Russia: F Rumania - Black Sea.
Russia: A Sevastopol - Rumania.
Russia: A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*).
Turkey: F Aegean Sea Supports F Albania - Ionian Sea.
Turkey: F Albania - Ionian Sea (*Fails*).
Turkey: A Bulgaria Supports A Sevastopol - Rumania.
Turkey: F Eastern Mediterranean Supports F Albania - Ionian Sea.
Turkey: A Greece - Albania (*Fails*).
The following units were dislodged:
German F Sweden can retreat to Skagerrak or Baltic Sea or Gulf of Bothnia.
Unit locations:
England: A Finland, F London, F North Sea, F St Petersburg(nc), F Sweden.
France: F Belgium, A Marseilles, A Paris, A Picardy, A Piedmont, F Spain(nc).
Germany: A Burgundy, F Denmark, A Gascony, A Holland, F Sweden.
Italy: F Adriatic Sea, A Budapest, F Ionian Sea, A Serbia, A Trieste, F
Tyrrhenian Sea, A Vienna.
Russia: F Black Sea, A Kiel, A Rumania, A Ukraine, A Warsaw.
Turkey: F Aegean Sea, F Albania, A Bulgaria, F Eastern Mediterranean, A
Greece.
Ownership of supply centers:
England: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway, St Petersburg.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich, Sweden.
Italy: Budapest, Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice, Vienna.
Russia: Berlin, Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece, Smyrna.
NEXT DEADLINE: SUMMER 05 RETREATS DUE TUESDAY, FEB 10TH (11:59 PM GMT)!![Reply] |
| DC236 Winter Blitz Board 6 - Spring 05 - A Farewel... - former.trout (Feb 09, 2009, 6:55 pm) |
Heya folks,
We roll smartly into Spring 05 as the Italians neatly tie the bow on the French in Tuscany. The English regain the North Sea and the Russians manage to find their way into Constantinople...
One retreat was needed other than the French auto-disband. However the Turkish army in Con had only Ankara to resort to, so I took the liberty. (Michael - if OTB is preferred then please just let me know and I will correct it.) Given that, the Fall 05 order deadline is set for Thursday, February 12th (11:59 PM GMT).
As always, give us a holler if you spot any errors. Cheers!
Substitute Trout
Movement results for Spring of 1905. (DC 236 05 SUM)
England: F Edinburgh Supports F London - North Sea (*Cut*).
England: A Liverpool Supports F Edinburgh.
England: F London - North Sea.
England: A Paris - Burgundy.
England: A Picardy Supports A Paris - Burgundy.
France: A Tuscany - Rome (*Disbanded*).
Germany: F Belgium Supports F London - North Sea.
Germany: A Denmark - Sweden (*Bounce*).
Germany: A Kiel - Munich.
Germany: A Munich - Bohemia.
Germany: F North Sea - Skagerrak.
Germany: A Ruhr - Holland.
Italy: A Greece Supports A Serbia.
Italy: F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea (*Fails*).
Italy: F Naples - Rome (*Bounce*).
Italy: A Piedmont Supports A Venice - Tuscany.
Italy: F Portugal - Spain(sc).
Italy: A Serbia Supports A Greece.
Italy: A Spain - Gascony.
Italy: F Syria - Smyrna (*Bounce*).
Italy: A Venice - Tuscany.
Russia: F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople.
Russia: A Bulgaria - Constantinople.
Russia: A Clyde - Edinburgh (*Fails*).
Russia: A Norway - Sweden (*Bounce*).
Russia: F Norwegian Sea Supports A Clyde - Edinburgh.
Russia: A Rumania - Bulgaria.
Russia: F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Fails*).
Russia: A Sweden - Finland.
Russia: A Ukraine - Sevastopol.
Turkey: F Aegean Sea Convoys A Constantinople - Bulgaria.
Turkey: A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Dislodged*).
Turkey: F Eastern Mediterranean - Smyrna (*Bounce*).
Turkey: A Sevastopol - Rumania.
Retreat orders for Spring of 1905. (DC 236 05 SUM)
Turkey: A Constantinople - Ankara.
Unit locations:
England: A Burgundy, F Edinburgh, A Liverpool, F North Sea, A Picardy.
Germany: F Belgium, A Bohemia, A Denmark, A Holland, A Munich, F Skagerrak.
Italy: A Gascony, A Greece, F Ionian Sea, F Naples, A Piedmont, A Serbia, F
Spain(sc), F Syria, A Tuscany.
Russia: F Black Sea, A Bulgaria, A Clyde, A Constantinople, A Finland, A
Norway, F Norwegian Sea, A Sevastopol, F St Petersburg(nc).
Turkey: F Aegean Sea, A Ankara, F Eastern Mediterranean, A Rumania.
Ownership of supply centers:
England: Brest, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Paris.
France: Marseilles.
Germany: Belgium, Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Greece, Naples, Portugal, Rome, Serbia, Spain, Trieste, Tunis,
Venice.
Russia: Budapest, Bulgaria, Moscow, Norway, Rumania, St Petersburg, Sweden,
Vienna, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Sevastopol, Smyrna.
NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1905 ORDERS DUE THURSDAY, FEB 12TH (11:59 PM GMT)!![Reply] |
| DC232 spring 1905 results! - coryfucius (Feb 09, 2009, 6:03 pm) |
Due to a computer glitch, the adjud is a bit late tonight... sorry for the holdup.
In the west, France and England once again trade centers, as France sails into an undefended London, while England pushes France out of Norway.
The situation in the east appears to have changed dramatically. Austria and Italy both move units away from Turkey, while the Turks take advantage and dislodge the Italian fleet in Syria.
Two retreats are due:
The French fleet in Norway may retreat to Barents Sea, Norwegian Sea, Skagerrak or OTB.
The Italian fleet in Syria may retreat to Eastern Mediterranean Sea or OTB.
The summer 1905 retreat orders are due tomorrow, Tuesday 2/10 at 3pm Central (US) / 21:00 GMT. That's less than 24 hours from now, so don't delay!
Cory
-----
Spring 1905 results:
Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Greece
A Albania - Trieste
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Galicia - Silesia
A Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Serbia - Budapest
A Silesia - Bohemia
England:
F Denmark Supports F North Sea (*Cut*)
F Edinburgh Supports F North Sea
A Liverpool - Wales (*Fails*)
F North Sea Supports F Sweden - Norway
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Berlin Supports A Munich
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - Belgium
F English Channel Supports F Yorkshire - London
A Kiel - Denmark (*Fails*)
F Marseilles - Gulf of Lyon
A Munich Supports A Berlin
F Norway Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy
F Wales - Liverpool (*Fails*)
F Yorkshire - London
Italy:
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
F Syria Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Venice - Tyrolia
Russia: (NMR, GM orders Hold)
A Warsaw Hold
Turkey:
A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Armenia Supports F Smyrna - Syria
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Constantinople Hold
F Smyrna - Syria
A St Petersburg Hold[Reply] |
| DC223 - Winter 1904 adjustments - bielf11 (Feb 09, 2009, 6:03 pm) |
Winter 1904:
------------------
England:
Remove F Skagerrak
Remove F Sweden
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Russia:
Build A Moscow
Build A Warsaw
Build waived
Turkey:
Build F Ankara
And with this completely changed distribution of Powers of Europe we are about to greet Spring 1905.
Deadline is on Thursday Feb 12 at 23:00 GMT.
Endgame proposals
-----------------------------
The Endgame proposal is up for voting with the Spring 1905 orders deadline.
Note that all votes have to support a proposal for it to be approved. Any abstains means the proposal is voted down.
The current proposal is: a 2-way Draw between Russia and Germany.
Frank[Reply] |
| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - FuzzyLogic (Feb 09, 2009, 4:28 pm) |
That's fine, I dont really care it's just a game... and an inactive one where 2 players aren't even diploming at that. I only brought up the rule cuz you brought up a rule first. And the rule I brought up clearly states that the abbreviation "will be accepted" unless you're going to argue that abbreviations printed on the map are not reasonable. (it seems you're making that argument?)
But what's done is done, I wouldnt mind having the map have clear abbreviations added, since the ones printed on the map are not reasonable to use. I have been going along this game, just guessing at the spots, under the premise that if an H was swapped for an M, it would be accepted, since they look the same. If that's not the case, then the map needs to be clarified, cuz that's all we have to go on.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 4:07 PM
To: Michael Sims
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Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
What is 'reasonable' is defined by the GM. Not just in this game, but in any PBEM game. Obviously in this case, Michael (the GM) feels differently about it then you do.
Anyways, I apologize to my fellow players for the public argument. I'll just shut up now. =P
Trout
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
Are you serious??
The rule ALSO says:
The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. However if an order is unclear and not clarified by the deadline, the order will be declared void and the unit will hold. Abbreviations that could be applied to more than one space on the map (such as NOR and LIV) should be avoided. EG Lvp or Liverpool for Liverpool and Lvn or Livonia or Livonia.
"The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations". That is blatantly clear!
Is this a "reasonable abbreviation"? Well it's on the map, it looks like HST to me. I would say it counts as "reasonable", as in it can be reasoned that that space would be HST by the writing on the map.
Is the order unclear? Well could HST be anything else on the map? Let's look at the map. Nope... there it is. Right there, one space. Even labeled HST (or is it MST? I cant tell)
If you're going to suggest we follow the rules, then I think there is absolutely no grounded case to say HST should fail!
I am not trying to pressure anyone. Tho you seem to think we should not even discuss it like gentlemen. Other players were even joking about it. I would say there is no pressure, just bewilderment as to why the above rule is not being applied, when it seems very appropriate that HST is not ambiguous, can not be mistaken for anywhere else, and it's LABELED ON THE MAP as such, in such a bad font, that one cant possibly tell if it's HST or MST. And the rules of the game clearly state The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. So it fails???
Come on Trout you usually stand up for following the rules... this is a weird position for you to take.
-mike
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:34 PM
To: Michael Sims
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Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.
Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:
As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not
What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.
For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.
Trout
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:76315721ce] Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...
What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:76315721ce] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP  Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:76315721ce]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:76315721ce]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);
former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
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I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - former.trout (Feb 09, 2009, 4:08 pm) |
What is 'reasonable' is defined by the GM. Not just in this game, but in any PBEM game. Obviously in this case, Michael (the GM) feels differently about it then you do.
Anyways, I apologize to my fellow players for the public argument. I'll just shut up now. =P
Trout
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
Are you serious??
The rule ALSO says:
The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. However if an order is unclear and not clarified by the deadline, the order will be declared void and the unit will hold. Abbreviations that could be applied to more than one space on the map (such as NOR and LIV) should be avoided. EG Lvp or Liverpool for Liverpool and Lvn or Livonia or Livonia.
"The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations". That is blatantly clear!
Is this a "reasonable abbreviation"? Well it's on the map, it looks like HST to me. I would say it counts as "reasonable", as in it can be reasoned that that space would be HST by the writing on the map.
Is the order unclear? Well could HST be anything else on the map? Let's look at the map. Nope... there it is. Right there, one space. Even labeled HST (or is it MST? I cant tell)
If you're going to suggest we follow the rules, then I think there is absolutely no grounded case to say HST should fail!
I am not trying to pressure anyone. Tho you seem to think we should not even discuss it like gentlemen. Other players were even joking about it. I would say there is no pressure, just bewilderment as to why the above rule is not being applied, when it seems very appropriate that HST is not ambiguous, can not be mistaken for anywhere else, and it's LABELED ON THE MAP as such, in such a bad font, that one cant possibly tell if it's HST or MST. And the rules of the game clearly state The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. So it fails???
Come on Trout you usually stand up for following the rules... this is a weird position for you to take.
-mike
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:34 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.
Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:
As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not
What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.
For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.
Trout
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:95b76770da] Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...
What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:95b76770da] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:95b76770da]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:95b76770da]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);
former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
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I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| DC 211: F1906R Adjudication - AceRimmer (Feb 09, 2009, 4:04 pm) |
English fleet retreats to Gulf of Bothnia
French fleet retreats to Tyrrhenian Sea
Seismic orders are due on Wednesday at the usual 1000 CST.
Map will not be updated on the club website, as I only have five maps (and seven seasons), and I am saving Autumn for the post-Seismic map.
Adam[Reply] |
| DC 211: F1906R Adjudication (dc211) deathblade_penguin Feb 10, 01:47 am |
Gulf of Bothnia Trout... come on.. give it up...
Stephen Lytton
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Http://www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2009/02/06/2484632.htm
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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:03:09 -0800
From: smegdwarf(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC 211: F1906R Adjudication
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English fleet retreats to Gulf of Bothnia
French fleet retreats to Tyrrhenian Sea
Seismic orders are due on Wednesday at the usual 1000 CST.
Map will not be updated on the club website, as I only have five maps (and seven seasons), and I am saving Autumn for the post-Seismic map.
Adam
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| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - FuzzyLogic (Feb 09, 2009, 3:47 pm) |
Are you serious??
The rule ALSO says:
The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. However if an order is unclear and not clarified by the deadline, the order will be declared void and the unit will hold. Abbreviations that could be applied to more than one space on the map (such as NOR and LIV) should be avoided. EG Lvp or Liverpool for Liverpool and Lvn or Livonia or Livonia.
"The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations". That is blatantly clear!
Is this a "reasonable abbreviation"? Well it's on the map, it looks like HST to me. I would say it counts as "reasonable", as in it can be reasoned that that space would be HST by the writing on the map.
Is the order unclear? Well could HST be anything else on the map? Let's look at the map. Nope... there it is. Right there, one space. Even labeled HST (or is it MST? I cant tell)
If you're going to suggest we follow the rules, then I think there is absolutely no grounded case to say HST should fail!
I am not trying to pressure anyone. Tho you seem to think we should not even discuss it like gentlemen. Other players were even joking about it. I would say there is no pressure, just bewilderment as to why the above rule is not being applied, when it seems very appropriate that HST is not ambiguous, can not be mistaken for anywhere else, and it's LABELED ON THE MAP as such, in such a bad font, that one cant possibly tell if it's HST or MST. And the rules of the game clearly state The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. So it fails???
Come on Trout you usually stand up for following the rules... this is a weird position for you to take.
-mike
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:34 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.
Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:
As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not
What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.
For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.
Trout
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...
What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b67ee9c41f] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b67ee9c41f]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:b67ee9c41f]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
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former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
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I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| Game Late - Githraine (Feb 09, 2009, 3:39 pm) |
| GM's fault, I will get the adjs out by tomorrow morning. [Reply] |
| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - former.trout (Feb 09, 2009, 3:35 pm) |
I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.
Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:
As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not
What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.
For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.
Trout
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...
What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f8412ebb61] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f8412ebb61]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:f8412ebb61]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);
former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| DC209 A08 ADJS DUE TUES - vegas_iwish (Feb 09, 2009, 3:16 pm) |
If everyone was playing Battles of Napoleon, Sons of liberty, or Flying Circus (let alone Acquire) there would not be all this confusion+ there would be much more happiness
Indonesia:
F Jav - CJa(nc)
Philippines:
F SCS - Luz
Adjustments:
Australia: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
China: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Indonesia: Supp 7 Unit 8 Remove 1
Malaysia: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
Philippines: Supp 7 Unit 7 Build 0
Thailand: Supp 10 Unit 9 Build 1
Vietnam: Supp 8 Unit 7 Build 1[Reply] |
| DC209 A08 ADJS DUE TUES (dc209) roback80 Feb 11, 09:30 pm |
Did we lose Vegas? Dues Tues but late wed and nothing and no response on 2 sent build orders...
Anyone?
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Thailand Trout former.trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 3:15:18 PM
Subject: DC209 A08 ADJS DUE TUES
If everyone was playing Battles of Napoleon, Sons of liberty, or Flying Circus (let alone Acquire) there would not be all this confusion+ there would be much more happiness
Indonesia:
F Jav - CJa(nc)
Philippines:
F SCS - Luz
Adjustments:
Australia: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
China: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Indonesia: Supp 7 Unit 8 Remove 1
Malaysia: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
Philippines: Supp 7 Unit 7 Build 0
Thailand: Supp 10 Unit 9 Build 1
Vietnam: Supp 8 Unit 7 Build 1
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| DC209 A08 ADJS DUE TUES (dc209) former.trout Feb 11, 11:54 pm |
Didn't get a confirm on my order either... Guess Michaels busy right now...
T.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:
Did we lose Vegas? Dues Tues but late wed and nothing and no response on 2 sent build orders...
Anyone?
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Thailand Trout former.trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 3:15:18 PM
Subject: DC209 A08 ADJS DUE TUES
If everyone was playing Battles of Napoleon, Sons of liberty, or Flying Circus (let alone Acquire) there would not be all this confusion+ there would be much more happiness
Indonesia:
F Jav - CJa(nc)
Philippines:
F SCS - Luz
Adjustments:
Australia: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
China: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Indonesia: Supp 7 Unit 8 Remove 1
Malaysia: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
Philippines: Supp 7 Unit 7 Build 0
Thailand: Supp 10 Unit 9 Build 1
Vietnam: Supp 8 Unit 7 Build 1
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| DC209 A08 ADJS DUE TUES (dc209) former.trout Feb 11, 11:56 pm |
Scratch that. Read all your emails first, Trout. Sorry guys...
T.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:53 PM, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Didn't get a confirm on my order either... Guess Michaels busy right now...
T.
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:
[quote:2371951de6]Did we lose Vegas? Dues Tues but late wed and nothing and no response on 2 sent build orders...
Anyone?
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Thailand Trout former.trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 3:15:18 PM
Subject: DC209 A08 ADJS DUE TUES
If everyone was playing Battles of Napoleon, Sons of liberty, or Flying Circus (let alone Acquire) there would not be all this confusion+ there would be much more happiness
Indonesia:
F Jav - CJa(nc)
Philippines:
F SCS - Luz
Adjustments:
Australia: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
China: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Indonesia: Supp 7 Unit 8 Remove 1
Malaysia: Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
Philippines: Supp 7 Unit 7 Build 0
Thailand: Supp 10 Unit 9 Build 1
Vietnam: Supp 8 Unit 7 Build 1
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[/quote:2371951de6] |
| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - FuzzyLogic (Feb 09, 2009, 3:12 pm) |
Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...
What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:4f6bf6e59e]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:4f6bf6e59e]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);
former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| DC222 - Fall 04 48 Hour Extension - former.trout (Feb 09, 2009, 3:08 pm) |
Heya folks,
An extension has indeed been requested for the Fall 04 turn, therefore we'll post-pone the deadline for 48 hours. There will be an optional 24 hours further to that if it is needed. (Three days were requested, I'm allowing for two with an option for the the third.)
So - Fall 04 orders will be due Wednesday, February 11th (11:59 PM GMT).
Cheers everyone!
Trout[Reply] |
| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - former.trout (Feb 09, 2009, 3:02 pm) |
I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...
What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6b157ea3e]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:f6b157ea3e]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);
former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - FuzzyLogic (Feb 09, 2009, 2:31 pm) |
I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:cebe04216c]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);
former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - former.trout (Feb 09, 2009, 2:29 pm) |
Its not actually a debate. Whatever our opinions are, Michael made his ruling. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.
I jumping out of this debate now...
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:a55c227f58]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:a55c227f58]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);
former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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| DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - vegas_iwish (Feb 09, 2009, 2:16 pm) |
A warning for Hed vs Med had come before. Malaysian sea looks the exact same as far as H vs M. This late in game there is no excuse to even put forward. Looking at & reading the map there is no room for question.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com> wrote:
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:59 AM
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael
does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the
map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which
are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like
HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.
Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if
you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on
it?
I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is
silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map
that's sent out.
-mike
________________________________
From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia
Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts;
DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Cut and paste from RP Saves all the problems and is a
lot less work too!
________________________________
From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Michael
Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>;
158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>;
209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts
<salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley
<rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton
<stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters
in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier
errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white
flag.
--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
wrote:
[quote:6c8e327307]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout"
<former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: "Jason 4747"
<jason4747(at)hotmail.com>, "209GM MICHAEL
BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>,
"158NewArchersJason Longbow"
<githraine(at)yahoo.com>, "209Australia Nick
Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>, "209China
(tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com>,
"209Vietnam Rob Ackerley"
<rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "DC101tGMStephen
Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>,
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like
HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we
cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving
from the
GM, then what can we rely on?
________________________________
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT;
158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby)
Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen
Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Personally I would allow the move as well. However,
to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the
beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an
order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the
right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation
in
brackets...
Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to
make. =)
T.
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com> wrote:
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are
we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike
________________________________
From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick
Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob
Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Mike,
To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen,
but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....
As for that and other error, kids, let it be a
lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say
no to
drugs.
Jason
[quote:6c8e327307]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com;
[/quote:6c8e327307]Githraine(at)yahoo.com;
former.trout(at)gmail.com; zeclient(at)hotmail.com;
salexander37(at)gmail.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca;
mike(at)southwall.com
[quote:6c8e327307]CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com;
[/quote:6c8e327307]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
[quote:6c8e327307]
I didn't think I'd see days like
[/quote:6c8e327307]these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map
but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map
issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3.
Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given
but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
[quote:6c8e327307]or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa
Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS
Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold
Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
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