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DC191 Study In Baltic - Summer 1912 - YuleTide Ret... - former.trout   (Dec 23, 2008, 9:32 am)
Heya gang,

Poland falles back to the island of Ronne. WIth that, we break for St. Nick. Deadline for the Fall of 1912 orders will be set for Tuesday, December 30th (11:59 PM GMT).


Have a very Merry Christmas, everyone. Hope you guys all have the best holidays!


Cheers!


Christmas Turkey Trout




Retreat orders for Spring of 1912. (DC191 12 SUM)


Poland: F South Baltic - Ronne.


Unit locations:


Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, A Helsingfors, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Wkra, A Narew, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F Ronne, F Hano
Bay.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F South Baltic, F Gulf of
Stockholm.


Ownership of supply centers:


Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.


Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1912 ORDERS DUE TUESDAY, DECEMBER 30TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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DC222 - Extension Until Post-Christmas - former.trout   (Dec 23, 2008, 9:25 am)
Hey guys,

None of the missing orders came in and I can only assume that some of our players are caught without net access or the time to use it. Since I just narrowly avoided this situation myself, I can somewhat relate.


Please bear with us everyone, but it 'tis the season... We'll extend the Spring 02 Deadline until post-Christmas. If orders from those missing players are not handed in by Friday, December 26th (11:59 PM GMT) then we will be seeking replacement players.


Cheers all!


Trout

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DC205 The Pleiades - Spring 07 - Christmas in Spri... - former.trout   (Dec 23, 2008, 9:15 am)
Heya folks,

TIs the season for coastal landings... France makes a bold move into the Scandinavias, seizing Norway from Russian control. Meanwhile in the south, the Tsar plants the Russian flag on the shores of Trieste.


No retreats are required - but we do have the small matter of Christmas to take care of. =) Deadline for Fall 1907 orders will be set for Tuesday, December 30th (11:59 PM GMT).


Hope Santa is good to all of you, and best wishes for a Happy Jolly Christmas to you and all of yours. Have a great holiday, everyone!


Trout Claus




Movement results for Spring of 1907. (DC205 07 SPR)


France: A Belgium - Holland (*Fails*).
France: A Burgundy Supports A Munich.
France: A Edinburgh - Norway.
France: F English Channel Supports F North Sea.
France: A Gascony - Marseilles.
France: F London Supports F North Sea.
France: F North Sea Convoys A Edinburgh - Norway.
France: F Norwegian Sea Supports A Edinburgh - Norway.
France: A Ruhr Supports A Munich (*Cut*).


Italy: F Adriatic Sea Supports A Trieste.
Italy: F Greece Supports F Ionian Sea - Albania.
Italy: F Ionian Sea - Albania.
Italy: A Munich Supports A Venice - Tyrolia (*Cut*).
Italy: A Rome - Venice (*Fails*).
Italy: A Trieste Supports A Venice - Tyrolia (*Disbanded*).
Italy: A Venice - Tyrolia (*Bounce*).


Russia: A Albania Supports A Budapest - Trieste (*Disbanded*).
Russia: F Armenia - Ankara (*Fails*).
Russia: A Berlin - Munich (*Fails*).
Russia: F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople.
Russia: A Bohemia - Tyrolia (*Bounce*).
Russia: A Budapest - Trieste.
Russia: A Bulgaria - Constantinople (*Fails*).
Russia: A Denmark - Sweden.
Russia: F Helgoland Bight Supports F Holland - North Sea.
Russia: F Holland - North Sea (*Fails*).
Russia: A Kiel - Ruhr (*Fails*).
Russia: A Serbia Supports A Budapest - Trieste.
Russia: F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Fails*).
Russia: A Vienna Supports A Budapest - Trieste.
Russia: A Warsaw - Silesia.


Turkey: F Ankara Supports F Constantinople (*Cut*).
Turkey: F Constantinople Supports F Ankara (*Cut*).
Turkey: A Smyrna Supports F Constantinople.


Unit locations:


France: A Belgium, A Burgundy, F English Channel, F London, A Marseilles, F
North Sea, A Norway, F Norwegian Sea, A Ruhr.
Italy: F Adriatic Sea, F Albania, F Greece, A Munich, A Rome, A Trieste, A
Venice.
Russia: A Albania, F Armenia, A Berlin, F Black Sea, A Bohemia, A Bulgaria,
F Helgoland Bight, F Holland, A Kiel, A Serbia, A Silesia, F St
Petersburg(nc), A Sweden, A Trieste, A Vienna.
Turkey: F Ankara, F Constantinople, A Smyrna.


Ownership of supply centers:


France: Belgium, Brest, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Marseilles, Paris,
Portugal, Spain.
Italy: Greece, Munich, Naples, Rome, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Berlin, Budapest, Bulgaria, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Moscow, Norway,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Sweden, Vienna, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Smyrna.


Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
England: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Germany: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Italy: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 15 Supply centers, 15 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 3 Supply centers, 3 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: FALL 1907 ORDERS DUE TUESDAY, DECEMBER 30TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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dc204 ~ The Final Frontier ~ Stardate 2376.3 - sgttodd   (Dec 23, 2008, 8:56 am)
The deadline for Stardate 2376.5 Adjustments: Monday, December 29th; 2359 UTC

May all of you have a great holiday, or whatever you creatures celebrate.
Q

Movement results for Stardate 2376.3

Borg: A Borg Unicomplex Supports F 5215.
Borg: F 3249 - 3424.
Borg: F 5725 Supports F 5215.
Borg: F Krenim - 4233.
Borg: F FCG-J25 - Gamma Hydrae (*Bounce*).
Borg: F 5215 Hold.
Borg: F Devore Imperium - 2825.
Borg: F Vidiian Solidarity - North-West Passage.

Dominion: F Cardassia Prime - Olmerak (*Bounce*).
Dominion: F Idran - Bajor (*Fails*).
Dominion: A Bajor - Cardassia Prime (*Fails*).
Dominion: F Breen - Trialus.
Dominion: F Merik - D06.
Dominion: F New Bajor Hold.
Dominion: F Torga - D08.
Dominion: F Hurq - D12.
Dominion: F Obatta Cluster - D10.
Dominion: F Trialus - G06.

Ferengi: F ChinToka Supports F Talar - Megara.
Ferengi: F Amleth Supports F Talar - Megara.
Ferengi: F Kholfa Convoys A Kalidar - Feringinar.
Ferengi: A Kalidar - Feringinar.
Ferengi: F Talar - Megara.
Ferengi: F Gemulon - Tezenketh (*Fails*).
Ferengi: F Frederick - Talar.
Ferengi: F Orellius Supports F Gemulon - Tezenketh.
Ferengi: F G02 - Thalos.

Klingon: F 4762 - Kazon Collective.
Klingon: A Qonos - Archanis.
Klingon: F Burun - Archer (*Fails*).
Klingon: F Boreth Convoys A Qonos - Archanis.
Klingon: F Sol - Terra Nova (*Fails*).
Klingon: F Capella Supports F Megara - Trill.
Klingon: F Terra Nova - Olmerak (*Bounce*).
Klingon: F Megara - Trill.
Klingon: F Archer - Zalda (*Fails*).

Romulan: F 3424 - D01.
Romulan: F 4425 - D02.
Romulan: F Belak - Tarrod.
Romulan: A Betazed - Sol (*Fails*).
Romulan: F Barradas II - Antares.
Romulan: F First Federation Convoys A Betazed - Sol (*Void*).
Romulan: F Tezenketh Supports F Izar (*Cut*).
Romulan: F Izar Supports F Tezenketh.
Romulan: F Caldos - Gamma Hydrae (*Bounce*).
Romulan: F D02 - Makar.
Romulan: F D03 - Zakdorn.

UFP: F Trill Supports F Galen - Megara (*Dislodged & Disbanded*).

The following units were dislodged:

Federation has no more centers so F Trill was disbanded. Thank you Sam, for your participation and your perseverance.

Unit locations:

>Borg: A Borg Unicomplex, F 3424, F 4233, F 5725, F FCG-J25, F 5215, F 2825, F North-West Passage.
>Dominion: F Cardassia Prime, F Idran, A Bajor, F D06, F D08, F D10, F D12, F New Bajor, F Trialus, F G06.
>Ferengi: F ChinToka, F Amleth, A Feringinar, F Thalos, F Kholfa, F Talar, F Gemulon, F Megara, F Orellius.
>Klingon: A Archanis, F Burun, F Boreth, F Sol, F Capella, F Terra Nova, F Trill, F Archer, F Kazon Collective.
>Romulan: F Tarrod, A Betazed, F First Federation, F Tezenketh, F Izar, F Antares, F Zakdorn, F Caldos, F Makar, F D01, F D02.

Ownership of supply centers:

>Borg: Borg Unicomplex, 3249, 4050, FCG-J25, 5215, Devore Imperium, Bomar Soveriegnty, Vidiian Solidarity.
>Dominion: Cardassia Prime, Idran, Korill Prime, Omarion, Bajor, Argratha, Breen, Gavara, Merik, New Bajor, Torga.
>Ferengi: ChinToka, Lazon, Feringinar, Clarus, Thalos, Deneb, Kalidar, Kobheeria, Talar.
>Klingon: Archanis, Khitomer, Qonos, Sol, Vulcan, Trill, Gorn, Tholia, tessen, Zalkon, Kazon Collective.
>Romulan: Romulus, Remus, Pretorian, Alpha Centauri, Betazed, Korniforous, Tezenketh, Antares, Zakdorn, Gamma Hydrae.

Adjustments:

Borg: Supp 8 Unit 8 Build 0
Cardassian: Supp 0 Eliminated
Dominion: Supp 11 Unit 10 Build 1
Ferengi: Supp 9 Unit 9 Build 0
Klingon: Supp 11 Unit 9 Build 2
Romulan: Supp 10 Unit 11 Remove 1
UFP: Supp 0 Eliminated

Deadline for Stardate 2376.5 Adjustments: Monday, December 29th; 2359 UTC
files: http://mainecav.org/diplomacy

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DC219, Winter & Holidays - roadtomoscow   (Dec 23, 2008, 8:55 am)
I am really going to be out of it this week. Any chance we can postpone until january 2nd?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: DC219, Winter & Holidays
To: reinselc(at)yahoo.com, timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com, yubuusro(at)yahoo.com, sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com, verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com, fake_email_for_jr(at)hotmail.com, archer280(at)gmail.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, dc219(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:19 AM

#yiv1524278701 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1524278701 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Heya folks, here are the results!

France disbands F Gas
Turkey disbands F Aeg
Germany builds A Ber
Russia builds A War

Request for Trout; Could you make an updated map? If not, I'll upload one when I get back home (25th december)

Schedule: A nice break for the holidays now. I'm not certain which date we should go by, but let's put December 30th, 20:00:00 GMT up for next spring orders. If this does not work for any one player involved, then I'll postpone the game a bit longer. Let me know.

Cheers!

/ Mikael

Lägg till karta och vägbeskrivning för din fest. Visa vägen!

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DC219, Winter & Holidays - roadtomoscow   (Dec 23, 2008, 8:55 am)
I am really going to be out of it this week. Any chance we can postpone until january 2nd?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: DC219, Winter & Holidays
To: reinselc(at)yahoo.com, timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com, yubuusro(at)yahoo.com, sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com, verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com, fake_email_for_jr(at)hotmail.com, archer280(at)gmail.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, dc219(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:19 AM

#yiv1524278701 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1524278701 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Heya folks, here are the results!

France disbands F Gas
Turkey disbands F Aeg
Germany builds A Ber
Russia builds A War

Request for Trout; Could you make an updated map? If not, I'll upload one when I get back home (25th december)

Schedule: A nice break for the holidays now. I'm not certain which date we should go by, but let's put December 30th, 20:00:00 GMT up for next spring orders. If this does not work for any one player involved, then I'll postpone the game a bit longer. Let me know.

Cheers!

/ Mikael

Lägg till karta och vägbeskrivning för din fest. Visa vägen!

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DC 212 - FuzzyLogic   (Dec 23, 2008, 8:50 am)
Hey all,
Patience and deadline enforcement are GM perogatives. It is the player's job to get moves in by the deadline, and you generally have a week to do so. After that, just cuz a GM runs a turn a couple days late one time, does not mean you get a couple extra days each turn, or can protest if you dont get the same slack. It's you who didnt have moves in on time. As a regular / busy GM, I can attest that often times I'll get to a game a few days late, and then more often, I'm within 5 minutes of the deadline. In either case, more time is never expected or assumed, because it is always the case that I can (and should try to) adjudicate relatively on time. I also have a house rule (and recommend other GM's have the same) that indicates an extension of any type for the current turn is not allowed. So you always might get more time, but you can never count on it. The only 2 times I broke that rule at GM discretion were for Hurricane Katrina, and when a player went into the hospital for a week. Other than such extreme cases, get in the very good habit of using prelims!

It really does make for better Diplomacy when a GM does not allow for extensions or delays, and runs a turn promptly - how often are you all hanging on a turns results, and checking your mail hoping for some results, only to have to wait a few days? Timely results really do make the game exciting. They make for last minute negotiations that really do have a hard cutoff, and they keep the interest in the game up. I will always support a GM running a turn even if a player did not have moves in - cuz if you're wishy washy even once, you encourage wishy washy back from the players, and then it's downhill from there as it spirals into more and more people who dont think of the deadline as real.
-mike



From: David Ellsworth [mailto:davidellsworth(at)sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tue 12/23/2008 7:10 AM
To: Former Trout; Jon Stern
Cc: verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; DC 212 Forum; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Jimmy Ghostine DC 212 Italy; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton; The White Wolf; Michael Sims; David Ellsworth
Subject: DC 212


Interesting,

I agree. Rachael has the right to adjudicate when she did. I think it was inconsistant, and along with a few other inconsistancies, so I said enough for me. As the White Wolf pointed out, you can only really maintain your own blacklist. This DC offers no other recourse to dissatisfied players as of yet. Maybe oneday, but someone can always just change the signon name.

I do think the bit about her being a mother was sexist, and frankly incorrect. I was much more patient with my players. The games did run slower, and I am not claiming better, but I did my part to satisfy and accomodate all players. To people with jobs, families, and lives in general, less than 24 window between the reminder letter (which was before the deadline) and the adjudication, may not be the best way to induce a complete and fair game (in addition to it not being consistant with other rulings). <<<Heck, on the family note, I got her and White beat two-fold and they are old enough to have plenty of sports, music and other activities, so lets leave family out of the equation, and focus on bringing a good game experience to all involved.>>>

I think this game is shot, but that is for you all to decide. I do feel better knowing it was not just me who felt the inconsistancies, but now whoever plans to stay with it needs to move on or (more appropriately) end the game. My experiences at DC are done. This was the last bad taste for me. If I come back it will be with a diferent name.

David Ellsworth

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Jon Stern <jstern78(at)gmail.com>
Cc: verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; DC 212 Forum <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>; Patrick Canning DC 212 France <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>; Jimmy Ghostine DC 212 Italy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>; David Ellsworth DC 212 Russia <davidellsworth(at)sbcglobal.net>; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:02:47 AM
Subject: Re: DC 212 Reply to player posts

Rachael is doing a fine job IMHO - and it is not her responsibility to allow for players missing getting in their orders.

The GMs set a deadline. Orders should be in before that deadline. End of story. Players need to live up to that deadline.


Look - I'm actually really sorry that David missed the deadline because it screws me up just as much as it does him. But ultimate responsibility for that lies with him - not with Rachael.


The act of running the game takes a slight bit more time than the act of sending in orders. Sometimes we GMs set deadlines anticipating that we will have the time to adjudicate but it doesn't turn out that way - so we need to delay the adjudication. In NO WAY does that mean that the order deadline has changed, however...


Trout

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Jon Stern <jstern78(at)gmail.com ([email]jstern78(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

I think the point is that if you have to delay for personal reasons, that's fine. But you can still see the time e-mails and moves were sent in, in order to see if they were before the deadline.

You can also always grant an extension regardless of personal scheduling issues. If a 24-hour extension is inconvenient for you, extend it for 48 hours. Or extend it for 24-hours and then just put the game on hold until you get back. But don't deny it, unless you are going to deny every extension. Maybe the game slows down a bit, but that's a small price to pay for having everyone feel like the rules are fair.

Again, nobody is complaining about late adjudications. People are complaining about you sometimes waiting for late orders and other times adjudicating immediately.

Nobody is saying that your family should play second fiddle. But putting the game on hold IS better than showing preferential treatment to some players/requests. Much better.

I feel like you keep jumping to the conclusion that I/we are saying that visiting your family is not a good enough reason to delay the game. Delay the game! No problem. What is not cool is sometimes granting extensions or sometimes waiting for late orders. My suggestion for your games would be:

- Grant any extension request of up to 48 hours once per player. If that means a deadline falls at an inconvenient time for you, delay the adjudication, but not the deadline.
- Allow a grace period of 12 or 24 hours for late orders. Once per player, and only once.
- Do not propose that a specific player as a replacement and ask the players as a group if that's ok.

Above all, be fair and consistent in your rulings. Your family activities are more important than the game, but you can still schedule around your real life without comprimising fairness.

Jon


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:235d4ec0ba] First off let me start off by saying I have in no way shown any type of favoritism or have I tried to throw the game. I stated in the very opening email that if you NMR twice I replace you. When I had to replace Turkey it was because he ASKED to be replaced because he had some personal things to attend to. Secondly, I always said Prelims were always encouraged in case you couldn't be online for a turn. When I first denied the very first extension request it was because I was going out of town to visit family that I hadn't seen in 3 years ( my parents and little brother ). I worked the game around the time I was traveling and visiting instead of just putting the game on hold.
I don't understand what inconsistency you are referring to. ONE time I put out an adjudication slightly over 24 hours late. The player did send me his retreat and on a timely matter. I do have two young children and they come before any game I GM or play in. With Christmas approaching I figured you guys would understand that a little. My husband is also active duty Navy and works 12 hour days leaving me home with a 4 year old and a 1 year old.
As for adjudicating 2 hours past the deadline, that's EXTRA time you get to send in moves. I have every right to send the turn out at the 7pm deadline. I DO NOT have to give anyone a GRACE period. Ask any MOD or GM on this site and they will tell you the same thing. IF I was doing so poorly in my GMing I am pretty sure one of the two MODS I include in every turn would have pointed something out.
David: As for you not turning in moves I sent you a PERSONAL reminder 11:38am the day orders were due informing you I was missing your orders. You had a WEEK to get your orders in. Just because you got sick the day they were due doesn't excuse you not sending in orders. My very first game ever of dip I missed the deadline by 2 minutes and my GM did not let me send in orders he NMR'd me. When was this extension request you sent to me? I never recieved it or I probably would have granted it. You can ALWAYS change your moves up until you receive the adjudication in your inbox. More then one player in this game sends me several sets of orders all the way up until the deadline. So when a new player joins the game you get EXTRA time to think about orders and talk to the new player. I thought replacing a player without delay was a good thing! I don't like to play a country in CD if I don't have to. Everyone signed up to play a 7 player game why not do so until countries are elimanted.
If you all want to cancel the game that's fine, or for the players who still would like to play I can find replacements. There are more then enough players on the website who would be willing to play.

Mods: If you have seen anything I have done wrong please let me know. I don't think I have.

-Rachael





[/quote:235d4ec0ba]

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dc188 - Winter 1909 Results - kevinokelly   (Dec 23, 2008, 8:25 am)
GAME NOTES:
I thought this already made it out... but I'm not sure. So I'll send it again just to make sure.
The 3-way draw vote was not unanimously agreed upon.

DEADLINES:
Spring 1910 - today - Tuesday December 23, 2008 at 22:00GMT (5pm EST)
retreats (if any) - Friday December 26, 2008 at 22:00GMT (5pm EST)
Fall 1910 - Tuesday December 30, 2008 at 22:00GMT (5pm EST)

ORDERS:
Austria:
Builds A BUD

Italy:
Removes A ARM

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DC 212 - davidellsworth   (Dec 23, 2008, 7:10 am)
Interesting,

I agree. Rachael has the right to adjudicate when she did. I think it was inconsistant, and along with a few other inconsistancies, so I said enough for me. As the White Wolf pointed out, you can only really maintain your own blacklist. This DC offers no other recourse to dissatisfied players as of yet. Maybe oneday, but someone can always just change the signon name.

I do think the bit about her being a mother was sexist, and frankly incorrect. I was much more patient with my players. The games did run slower, and I am not claiming better, but I did my part to satisfy and accomodate all players. To people with jobs, families, and lives in general, less than 24 window between the reminder letter (which was before the deadline) and the adjudication, may not be the best way to induce a complete and fair game (in addition to it not being consistant with other rulings). <<<Heck, on the family note, I got her and White beat two-fold and they are old enough to have plenty of sports, music and other activities, so lets leave family out of the equation, and focus on bringing a good game experience to all involved.>>>

I think this game is shot, but that is for you all to decide. I do feel better knowing it was not just me who felt the inconsistancies, but now whoever plans to stay with it needs to move on or (more appropriately) end the game. My experiences at DC are done. This was the last bad taste for me. If I come back it will be with a diferent name.

David Ellsworth

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Jon Stern <jstern78(at)gmail.com>
Cc: verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; DC 212 Forum <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>; Patrick Canning DC 212 France <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>; Jimmy Ghostine DC 212 Italy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>; David Ellsworth DC 212 Russia <davidellsworth(at)sbcglobal.net>; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:02:47 AM
Subject: Re: DC 212 Reply to player posts

Rachael is doing a fine job IMHO - and it is not her responsibility to allow for players missing getting in their orders.

The GMs set a deadline. Orders should be in before that deadline. End of story. Players need to live up to that deadline.


Look - I'm actually really sorry that David missed the deadline because it screws me up just as much as it does him. But ultimate responsibility for that lies with him - not with Rachael.


The act of running the game takes a slight bit more time than the act of sending in orders. Sometimes we GMs set deadlines anticipating that we will have the time to adjudicate but it doesn't turn out that way - so we need to delay the adjudication. In NO WAY does that mean that the order deadline has changed, however...


Trout

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Jon Stern <jstern78(at)gmail.com ([email]jstern78(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

I think the point is that if you have to delay for personal reasons, that's fine. But you can still see the time e-mails and moves were sent in, in order to see if they were before the deadline.

You can also always grant an extension regardless of personal scheduling issues. If a 24-hour extension is inconvenient for you, extend it for 48 hours. Or extend it for 24-hours and then just put the game on hold until you get back. But don't deny it, unless you are going to deny every extension. Maybe the game slows down a bit, but that's a small price to pay for having everyone feel like the rules are fair.

Again, nobody is complaining about late adjudications. People are complaining about you sometimes waiting for late orders and other times adjudicating immediately.

Nobody is saying that your family should play second fiddle. But putting the game on hold IS better than showing preferential treatment to some players/requests. Much better.

I feel like you keep jumping to the conclusion that I/we are saying that visiting your family is not a good enough reason to delay the game. Delay the game! No problem. What is not cool is sometimes granting extensions or sometimes waiting for late orders. My suggestion for your games would be:

- Grant any extension request of up to 48 hours once per player. If that means a deadline falls at an inconvenient time for you, delay the adjudication, but not the deadline.
- Allow a grace period of 12 or 24 hours for late orders. Once per player, and only once.
- Do not propose that a specific player as a replacement and ask the players as a group if that's ok.

Above all, be fair and consistent in your rulings. Your family activities are more important than the game, but you can still schedule around your real life without comprimising fairness.

Jon


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:1f6337bf04] First off let me start off by saying I have in no way shown any type of favoritism or have I tried to throw the game. I stated in the very opening email that if you NMR twice I replace you. When I had to replace Turkey it was because he ASKED to be replaced because he had some personal things to attend to. Secondly, I always said Prelims were always encouraged in case you couldn't be online for a turn. When I first denied the very first extension request it was because I was going out of town to visit family that I hadn't seen in 3 years ( my parents and little brother ). I worked the game around the time I was traveling and visiting instead of just putting the game on hold.
I don't understand what inconsistency you are referring to. ONE time I put out an adjudication slightly over 24 hours late. The player did send me his retreat and on a timely matter. I do have two young children and they come before any game I GM or play in. With Christmas approaching I figured you guys would understand that a little. My husband is also active duty Navy and works 12 hour days leaving me home with a 4 year old and a 1 year old.
As for adjudicating 2 hours past the deadline, that's EXTRA time you get to send in moves. I have every right to send the turn out at the 7pm deadline. I DO NOT have to give anyone a GRACE period. Ask any MOD or GM on this site and they will tell you the same thing. IF I was doing so poorly in my GMing I am pretty sure one of the two MODS I include in every turn would have pointed something out.
David: As for you not turning in moves I sent you a PERSONAL reminder 11:38am the day orders were due informing you I was missing your orders. You had a WEEK to get your orders in. Just because you got sick the day they were due doesn't excuse you not sending in orders. My very first game ever of dip I missed the deadline by 2 minutes and my GM did not let me send in orders he NMR'd me. When was this extension request you sent to me? I never recieved it or I probably would have granted it. You can ALWAYS change your moves up until you receive the adjudication in your inbox. More then one player in this game sends me several sets of orders all the way up until the deadline. So when a new player joins the game you get EXTRA time to think about orders and talk to the new player. I thought replacing a player without delay was a good thing! I don't like to play a country in CD if I don't have to. Everyone signed up to play a 7 player game why not do so until countries are elimanted.
If you all want to cancel the game that's fine, or for the players who still would like to play I can find replacements. There are more then enough players on the website who would be willing to play.

Mods: If you have seen anything I have done wrong please let me know. I don't think I have.

-Rachael





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DC 212 (dc212) FuzzyLogic Dec 23, 08:50 am
Hey all,
Patience and deadline enforcement are GM perogatives. It is the player's job to get moves in by the deadline, and you generally have a week to do so. After that, just cuz a GM runs a turn a couple days late one time, does not mean you get a couple extra days each turn, or can protest if you dont get the same slack. It's you who didnt have moves in on time. As a regular / busy GM, I can attest that often times I'll get to a game a few days late, and then more often, I'm within 5 minutes of the deadline. In either case, more time is never expected or assumed, because it is always the case that I can (and should try to) adjudicate relatively on time. I also have a house rule (and recommend other GM's have the same) that indicates an extension of any type for the current turn is not allowed. So you always might get more time, but you can never count on it. The only 2 times I broke that rule at GM discretion were for Hurricane Katrina, and when a player went into the hospital for a week. Other than such extreme cases, get in the very good habit of using prelims!

It really does make for better Diplomacy when a GM does not allow for extensions or delays, and runs a turn promptly - how often are you all hanging on a turns results, and checking your mail hoping for some results, only to have to wait a few days? Timely results really do make the game exciting. They make for last minute negotiations that really do have a hard cutoff, and they keep the interest in the game up. I will always support a GM running a turn even if a player did not have moves in - cuz if you're wishy washy even once, you encourage wishy washy back from the players, and then it's downhill from there as it spirals into more and more people who dont think of the deadline as real.
-mike



From: David Ellsworth [mailto:davidellsworth(at)sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Tue 12/23/2008 7:10 AM
To: Former Trout; Jon Stern
Cc: verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; DC 212 Forum; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Jimmy Ghostine DC 212 Italy; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton; The White Wolf; Michael Sims; David Ellsworth
Subject: DC 212


Interesting,

I agree. Rachael has the right to adjudicate when she did. I think it was inconsistant, and along with a few other inconsistancies, so I said enough for me. As the White Wolf pointed out, you can only really maintain your own blacklist. This DC offers no other recourse to dissatisfied players as of yet. Maybe oneday, but someone can always just change the signon name.

I do think the bit about her being a mother was sexist, and frankly incorrect. I was much more patient with my players. The games did run slower, and I am not claiming better, but I did my part to satisfy and accomodate all players. To people with jobs, families, and lives in general, less than 24 window between the reminder letter (which was before the deadline) and the adjudication, may not be the best way to induce a complete and fair game (in addition to it not being consistant with other rulings). <<<Heck, on the family note, I got her and White beat two-fold and they are old enough to have plenty of sports, music and other activities, so lets leave family out of the equation, and focus on bringing a good game experience to all involved.>>>

I think this game is shot, but that is for you all to decide. I do feel better knowing it was not just me who felt the inconsistancies, but now whoever plans to stay with it needs to move on or (more appropriately) end the game. My experiences at DC are done. This was the last bad taste for me. If I come back it will be with a diferent name.

David Ellsworth

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Jon Stern <jstern78(at)gmail.com>
Cc: verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; DC 212 Forum <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>; Patrick Canning DC 212 France <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>; Jimmy Ghostine DC 212 Italy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>; David Ellsworth DC 212 Russia <davidellsworth(at)sbcglobal.net>; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:02:47 AM
Subject: Re: DC 212 Reply to player posts

Rachael is doing a fine job IMHO - and it is not her responsibility to allow for players missing getting in their orders.

The GMs set a deadline. Orders should be in before that deadline. End of story. Players need to live up to that deadline.


Look - I'm actually really sorry that David missed the deadline because it screws me up just as much as it does him. But ultimate responsibility for that lies with him - not with Rachael.


The act of running the game takes a slight bit more time than the act of sending in orders. Sometimes we GMs set deadlines anticipating that we will have the time to adjudicate but it doesn't turn out that way - so we need to delay the adjudication. In NO WAY does that mean that the order deadline has changed, however...


Trout

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Jon Stern <jstern78(at)gmail.com ([email]jstern78(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

I think the point is that if you have to delay for personal reasons, that's fine. But you can still see the time e-mails and moves were sent in, in order to see if they were before the deadline.

You can also always grant an extension regardless of personal scheduling issues. If a 24-hour extension is inconvenient for you, extend it for 48 hours. Or extend it for 24-hours and then just put the game on hold until you get back. But don't deny it, unless you are going to deny every extension. Maybe the game slows down a bit, but that's a small price to pay for having everyone feel like the rules are fair.

Again, nobody is complaining about late adjudications. People are complaining about you sometimes waiting for late orders and other times adjudicating immediately.

Nobody is saying that your family should play second fiddle. But putting the game on hold IS better than showing preferential treatment to some players/requests. Much better.

I feel like you keep jumping to the conclusion that I/we are saying that visiting your family is not a good enough reason to delay the game. Delay the game! No problem. What is not cool is sometimes granting extensions or sometimes waiting for late orders. My suggestion for your games would be:

- Grant any extension request of up to 48 hours once per player. If that means a deadline falls at an inconvenient time for you, delay the adjudication, but not the deadline.
- Allow a grace period of 12 or 24 hours for late orders. Once per player, and only once.
- Do not propose that a specific player as a replacement and ask the players as a group if that's ok.

Above all, be fair and consistent in your rulings. Your family activities are more important than the game, but you can still schedule around your real life without comprimising fairness.

Jon


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:235d4ec0ba] First off let me start off by saying I have in no way shown any type of favoritism or have I tried to throw the game. I stated in the very opening email that if you NMR twice I replace you. When I had to replace Turkey it was because he ASKED to be replaced because he had some personal things to attend to. Secondly, I always said Prelims were always encouraged in case you couldn't be online for a turn. When I first denied the very first extension request it was because I was going out of town to visit family that I hadn't seen in 3 years ( my parents and little brother ). I worked the game around the time I was traveling and visiting instead of just putting the game on hold.
I don't understand what inconsistency you are referring to. ONE time I put out an adjudication slightly over 24 hours late. The player did send me his retreat and on a timely matter. I do have two young children and they come before any game I GM or play in. With Christmas approaching I figured you guys would understand that a little. My husband is also active duty Navy and works 12 hour days leaving me home with a 4 year old and a 1 year old.
As for adjudicating 2 hours past the deadline, that's EXTRA time you get to send in moves. I have every right to send the turn out at the 7pm deadline. I DO NOT have to give anyone a GRACE period. Ask any MOD or GM on this site and they will tell you the same thing. IF I was doing so poorly in my GMing I am pretty sure one of the two MODS I include in every turn would have pointed something out.
David: As for you not turning in moves I sent you a PERSONAL reminder 11:38am the day orders were due informing you I was missing your orders. You had a WEEK to get your orders in. Just because you got sick the day they were due doesn't excuse you not sending in orders. My very first game ever of dip I missed the deadline by 2 minutes and my GM did not let me send in orders he NMR'd me. When was this extension request you sent to me? I never recieved it or I probably would have granted it. You can ALWAYS change your moves up until you receive the adjudication in your inbox. More then one player in this game sends me several sets of orders all the way up until the deadline. So when a new player joins the game you get EXTRA time to think about orders and talk to the new player. I thought replacing a player without delay was a good thing! I don't like to play a country in CD if I don't have to. Everyone signed up to play a 7 player game why not do so until countries are elimanted.
If you all want to cancel the game that's fine, or for the players who still would like to play I can find replacements. There are more then enough players on the website who would be willing to play.

Mods: If you have seen anything I have done wrong please let me know. I don't think I have.

-Rachael





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Dc199 - deathblade_penguin   (Dec 23, 2008, 6:32 am)
Drunk.

I've just got back from a Christmas party and I am quite drunk. So I will adjudicate tomorrow.

I think i am missing moves though, so if you haven't sent them this is your lucky day.


Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com




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DC219, Winter & Holidays - m_don_j   (Dec 23, 2008, 6:20 am)
Heya folks, here are the results!

France disbands F Gas
Turkey disbands F Aeg
Germany builds A Ber
Russia builds A War

Request for Trout; Could you make an updated map? If not, I'll upload one when I get back home (25th december)

Schedule: A nice break for the holidays now. I'm not certain which date we should go by, but let's put December 30th, 20:00:00 GMT up for next spring orders. If this does not work for any one player involved, then I'll postpone the game a bit longer. Let me know.

Cheers!

/ Mikael
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DC219, Winter & Holidays (dc219) roadtomoscow Dec 23, 08:55 am
I am really going to be out of it this week. Any chance we can postpone until january 2nd?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: DC219, Winter & Holidays
To: reinselc(at)yahoo.com, timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com, yubuusro(at)yahoo.com, sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com, verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com, fake_email_for_jr(at)hotmail.com, archer280(at)gmail.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, dc219(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:19 AM

#yiv1524278701 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1524278701 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Heya folks, here are the results!

France disbands F Gas
Turkey disbands F Aeg
Germany builds A Ber
Russia builds A War

Request for Trout; Could you make an updated map? If not, I'll upload one when I get back home (25th december)

Schedule: A nice break for the holidays now. I'm not certain which date we should go by, but let's put December 30th, 20:00:00 GMT up for next spring orders. If this does not work for any one player involved, then I'll postpone the game a bit longer. Let me know.

Cheers!

/ Mikael

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DC219, Winter & Holidays (dc219) roadtomoscow Dec 23, 08:55 am
I am really going to be out of it this week. Any chance we can postpone until january 2nd?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: DC219, Winter & Holidays
To: reinselc(at)yahoo.com, timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com, yubuusro(at)yahoo.com, sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com, verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com, fake_email_for_jr(at)hotmail.com, archer280(at)gmail.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, dc219(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:19 AM

#yiv1524278701 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv1524278701 { font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Heya folks, here are the results!

France disbands F Gas
Turkey disbands F Aeg
Germany builds A Ber
Russia builds A War

Request for Trout; Could you make an updated map? If not, I'll upload one when I get back home (25th december)

Schedule: A nice break for the holidays now. I'm not certain which date we should go by, but let's put December 30th, 20:00:00 GMT up for next spring orders. If this does not work for any one player involved, then I'll postpone the game a bit longer. Let me know.

Cheers!

/ Mikael

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DC219, Winter & Holidays (dc219) m_don_j Dec 23, 09:44 am
Fellow players,

Chris wanted an extension, and with the power that has been granted to me as a GM, it's herby officially granted.

next spring is due: January 2, 2009, 20:00:00 Gmt.

Happy holidays!

/ Mikael



Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 06:54:48 -0800
From: reinselc(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: DC219, Winter & Holidays
To: timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com; yubuusro(at)yahoo.com; sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com; verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; fake_email_for_jr(at)hotmail.com; archer280(at)gmail.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; dc219(at)diplomaticcorp.com; m_don_j(at)hotmail.com


I am really going to be out of it this week. Any chance we can postpone until january 2nd?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: DC219, Winter & Holidays
To: reinselc(at)yahoo.com, timfuhrmeister(at)yahoo.com, yubuusro(at)yahoo.com, sam_buck_productions(at)mac.com, verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com, fake_email_for_jr(at)hotmail.com, archer280(at)gmail.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, dc219(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 6:19 AM

.ExternalClass #EC_yiv1524278701 .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass #EC_yiv1524278701 {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Heya folks, here are the results!

France disbands F Gas
Turkey disbands F Aeg
Germany builds A Ber
Russia builds A War

Request for Trout; Could you make an updated map? If not, I'll upload one when I get back home (25th december)

Schedule: A nice break for the holidays now. I'm not certain which date we should go by, but let's put December 30th, 20:00:00 GMT up for next spring orders. If this does not work for any one player involved, then I'll postpone the game a bit longer. Let me know.

Cheers!

/ Mikael

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DC219. One more reggae for the road - m_don_j   (Dec 23, 2008, 5:34 am)
Fellow players,

I'm missing one adjustment, would ze Frenchman report his disband? Smile

/ Mikael
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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 - stephen_worthy   (Dec 23, 2008, 4:54 am)
I've no interest in a solo when the game is so open. Sure things are going well for me at the moment, but there's plenty of time yet, and there's still fun to be had, even in a 'tweaked standard' variant. Let's just play and leave the acrimony behind.regards,Stephen

========================================Message Received: Dec 23 2008, 03:45 AMFrom: "The White Wolf" To: "Jack McHugh" , "graham allen" , "Packrat" Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)gmail.com, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.comSubject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1Don't worry, Packrat, I'll vote no for any solo that isn't for Italy. WinkAnybody wanna team up against Michael and help him end his tenure in this game honorably?WolfI'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Packrat wrote:[quote:4e6e56cd29]From: Packrat Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1To: "Jack McHugh" , "graham allen" Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com, stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)gmail.com, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.comDate: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:34 PM


As the GM I will follow with what you guys want to do - but I think this line ofdiscussion is ludicrous. To vote a solo to a player with SIX DOTS is nuts. SLor not, please don't let one players delusions sway you to an endgame that is farfrom assured. Yes, Michael has some points and they may even have some merit,but there is life in this game if you clowns would just get together it would be differentindeed.One player's view is just that, one player's view. England is a new player and the priorEngland was inexperienced to say the least. There has been relatively NO coordinationbetween any players and I don't gave a hoot what variant you play, if players do notwork together then crap happens.Like I said, if you guys want to vote France a solo that is your choice and if someone actuallyproposes it for real I will put it out for a vote. However, I think to do that in the Spring/Summerof 1902 is absolutely nuts. I have played this variant too and THIS GAME is FAR from beingdecided.

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DC-184 Fall 1909 Adjudication - TheWhiteWolf   (Dec 23, 2008, 12:21 am)
All,
Sorry about the slight delay - I was waiting on a set of orders. The player finally came through, and has been reminded of the consequences of further late submission. On with the game!


Players:

Austria: Pontus Nilsson pontus(at)wallmanderco.se **ELIMINATED**
England: Mark Utterback mdemagogue(at)gmail.com
France: Joe Hackett jhack16(at)gmail.com
Germany: Roger Strand PellefantSpam(at)gmail.com
Italy: Chris Morse camorse22(at)yahoo.com
Russia: Ross Webb rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com
Turkey: German Zorba germanzorba(at)gmail.com


Orders:

England:
F Yorkshire - Edinburgh (*Fails*)

France:
A Belgium - Holland
F Clyde - Edinburgh
A Gascony - Burgundy
F Gulf of Lyon - Western Mediterranean
F Holland - North Sea
A Kiel Supports A Belgium - Holland
F London Supports F Holland - North Sea
F Norwegian Sea Supports F Clyde - Edinburgh

Germany:
F Helgoland Bight, no move received
F North Sea - Belgium
F Skagerrak - North Sea (*No Such Unit*)

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea - Venice
A Albania Supports F Ionian Sea - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Munich Supports A Kiel
A Serbia Supports A Bulgaria
F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Naples

Russia:
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Baltic Sea Convoys A Prussia - Sweden
A Berlin Hold
F Black Sea Supports A Ankara - Constantinople
A Bulgaria Supports F Ionian Sea - Greece
F Denmark Hold
F Norway Hold
A Prussia - Sweden
A Silesia Supports A Berlin

Turkey:
F Apulia - Adriatic Sea
F Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Dislodged*)
F Greece - Ionian Sea (*Dislodged*)
A Smyrna - Ankara


Retreats:

Turkish F Constantinople can retreat to Smyrna, Aegean Sea or OTB.
Turkish F Greece can retreat to Aegean Sea or OTB.


Unit Positions: (SCs/Units)

Austria: ELIMINATED 1905

England: (1/1)
Fleets - Yor

France: (8/Cool
Armies - Bur, Hol, Kie
Fleets - Edi, Lon, Nth, Nwg, Wes

Germany: (4/2)
Fleets - Bel, Hel

Italy: (7/7)
Armies - Alb, Mun, Ser
Fleets - Gre, Ion, Nap, Ven

Russia: (9/9)
Armies - Ber, Bul, Con, Sil, Swe
Fleets - Bal, Bla, Den, Nwy

Turkey: (5/4)
Armies - Ank
Fleets - Adr, Con (pending retreat), Gre (pending retreat)


Deadline:
Fall 1909 Retreats are due (tomorrow) Wednesday, 24 December at 2pm EST (7pm GMT.) However, if German gets me his retreats today, I'll adjudicate as soon as I get them.
Any issues or errors, let me know.


Map and RP file are attached for your convenience, enjoy!

Thanks all,
The White Wolf

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http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

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DC 212 Reply to player posts - former.trout   (Dec 23, 2008, 12:03 am)
Rachael is doing a fine job IMHO - and it is not her responsibility to allow for players missing getting in their orders.

The GMs set a deadline. Orders should be in before that deadline. End of story. Players need to live up to that deadline.


Look - I'm actually really sorry that David missed the deadline because it screws me up just as much as it does him. But ultimate responsibility for that lies with him - not with Rachael.


The act of running the game takes a slight bit more time than the act of sending in orders. Sometimes we GMs set deadlines anticipating that we will have the time to adjudicate but it doesn't turn out that way - so we need to delay the adjudication. In NO WAY does that mean that the order deadline has changed, however...


Trout

On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Jon Stern <jstern78(at)gmail.com ([email]jstern78(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

I think the point is that if you have to delay for personal reasons, that's fine. But you can still see the time e-mails and moves were sent in, in order to see if they were before the deadline.

You can also always grant an extension regardless of personal scheduling issues. If a 24-hour extension is inconvenient for you, extend it for 48 hours. Or extend it for 24-hours and then just put the game on hold until you get back. But don't deny it, unless you are going to deny every extension. Maybe the game slows down a bit, but that's a small price to pay for having everyone feel like the rules are fair.

Again, nobody is complaining about late adjudications. People are complaining about you sometimes waiting for late orders and other times adjudicating immediately.

Nobody is saying that your family should play second fiddle. But putting the game on hold IS better than showing preferential treatment to some players/requests. Much better.

I feel like you keep jumping to the conclusion that I/we are saying that visiting your family is not a good enough reason to delay the game. Delay the game! No problem. What is not cool is sometimes granting extensions or sometimes waiting for late orders. My suggestion for your games would be:

- Grant any extension request of up to 48 hours once per player. If that means a deadline falls at an inconvenient time for you, delay the adjudication, but not the deadline.
- Allow a grace period of 12 or 24 hours for late orders. Once per player, and only once.
- Do not propose that a specific player as a replacement and ask the players as a group if that's ok.

Above all, be fair and consistent in your rulings. Your family activities are more important than the game, but you can still schedule around your real life without comprimising fairness.

Jon


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:4fe5141c25] First off let me start off by saying I have in no way shown any type of favoritism or have I tried to throw the game. I stated in the very opening email that if you NMR twice I replace you. When I had to replace Turkey it was because he ASKED to be replaced because he had some personal things to attend to. Secondly, I always said Prelims were always encouraged in case you couldn't be online for a turn. When I first denied the very first extension request it was because I was going out of town to visit family that I hadn't seen in 3 years ( my parents and little brother ). I worked the game around the time I was traveling and visiting instead of just putting the game on hold.
I don't understand what inconsistency you are referring to. ONE time I put out an adjudication slightly over 24 hours late. The player did send me his retreat and on a timely matter. I do have two young children and they come before any game I GM or play in. With Christmas approaching I figured you guys would understand that a little. My husband is also active duty Navy and works 12 hour days leaving me home with a 4 year old and a 1 year old.
As for adjudicating 2 hours past the deadline, that's EXTRA time you get to send in moves. I have every right to send the turn out at the 7pm deadline. I DO NOT have to give anyone a GRACE period. Ask any MOD or GM on this site and they will tell you the same thing. IF I was doing so poorly in my GMing I am pretty sure one of the two MODS I include in every turn would have pointed something out.
David: As for you not turning in moves I sent you a PERSONAL reminder 11:38am the day orders were due informing you I was missing your orders. You had a WEEK to get your orders in. Just because you got sick the day they were due doesn't excuse you not sending in orders. My very first game ever of dip I missed the deadline by 2 minutes and my GM did not let me send in orders he NMR'd me. When was this extension request you sent to me? I never recieved it or I probably would have granted it. You can ALWAYS change your moves up until you receive the adjudication in your inbox. More then one player in this game sends me several sets of orders all the way up until the deadline. So when a new player joins the game you get EXTRA time to think about orders and talk to the new player. I thought replacing a player without delay was a good thing! I don't like to play a country in CD if I don't have to. Everyone signed up to play a 7 player game why not do so until countries are elimanted.
If you all want to cancel the game that's fine, or for the players who still would like to play I can find replacements. There are more then enough players on the website who would be willing to play.

Mods: If you have seen anything I have done wrong please let me know. I don't think I have.

-Rachael





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Unknown - txurce   (Dec 22, 2008, 11:58 pm)
I would have no problem playing in a game with the GM's spouse. I'm currently playing in one where two players are related, and had I known ahead of time, probably wouldn't have. (Interestingly, Rachael is playing in that game as well.) It's easy to imagine someone feeling differently about the GM/player example. Some GMs would ask for a vote on the issue; others would just make a unilateral ruling. I agree with White Wolf that the decision on how to handle it is solely up to the GM (and the mods). If a player doesn't like it, he or she can resign... from the game. To state that the alternative is to quit DC is a little too close to "America: love it or leave it"!

Jorge

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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 - TheWhiteWolf   (Dec 22, 2008, 9:46 pm)
Don't worry, Packrat, I'll vote no for any solo that isn't for Italy. Wink
Anybody wanna team up against Michael and help him end his tenure in this game honorably?

Wolf

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--- On Mon, 12/22/08, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1
To: "Jack McHugh" <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>, "graham allen" <g_mod23(at)hotmail.com>
Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com, stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk, matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu, scaponig(at)yahoo.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)gmail.com, mike(at)southwall.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 6:34 PM

As the GM I will follow with what you guys want to do - but I think this line of
discussion is ludicrous. To vote a solo to a player with SIX DOTS is nuts. SL
or not, please don't let one players delusions sway you to an endgame that is far
from assured. Yes, Michael has some points and they may even have some merit,
but there is life in this game if you clowns would just get together it would be different
indeed.

One player's view is just that, one player's view. England is a new player and the prior
England was inexperienced to say the least. There has been relatively NO coordination
between any players and I don't gave a hoot what variant you play, if players do not
work together then crap happens.

Like I said, if you guys want to vote France a solo that is your choice and if someone actually
proposes it for real I will put it out for a vote. However, I think to do that in the Spring/Summer
of 1902 is absolutely nuts. I have played this variant too and THIS GAME is FAR from being
decided.






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DC 212 - An Outsider's Perspective - TheWhiteWolf   (Dec 22, 2008, 9:06 pm)
Folks,
I believe it's time you all got an earful from the guy who's apparently caused part of the controversy in this game. If you're of the "I can dish it out but can't take it in turn" school, delete this now, because I'm not about to pull punches like my gracious wife has so far.
First, let me point out that I have, in the past, blacklisted an entire game full of players because of this type of crap. I keep my own personal blacklist, so it's not something that will affect those players in any future games with other GMs. I just refuse to deal with them ever again because they don't know when to grow up and shut their mouths.
As far as deadline extensions go, Rachael has every right to approve them or not for whatever reason she wants. In this, as in any other call she makes, she's the GM - if you don't like her rulings, step down and delete your DC membership. If you can't abide by a GMs rulings, that's your best recourse.
Rachael went above and beyond the moderators' expectations in asking for your opinions before taking me on as a replacement. We are both members in good standing of this community, and the mods have stated to both of us on numerous occasions that they are perfectly comfortable letting us participate in games together, be it player/player or player/GM. I could very easily have signed up for the game from the Open Games screen on the DC site, and none of you would ever have been the wiser, as I use a pseudonym on DC. Rachael was trying to do the right thing in divulging our relationship ahead of time, and upon the first negative opinion, I opted out. With the spat of resignations following this little debacle, I've decided to take one of the vacant positions if they're not all filled by Christmas. None of you have a say in this anymore, as we've already (once again) been given the green light by the mods. If you don't like it, get out now and I'll take your spot.
I have a pretty bad memory (first thing to go,) so I'm not sure if I've hit all the points I meant to. However, the basic idea behind this email is thus: Grow Up or Get Out. DiplomaticCorp is a thriving site with lots of great players, and nobody likes to play with whiners. The whole point of this hobby is to have a good time. If you're not having a good time, stop participating. Nobody's feelings will be hurt. If you're offended by this email, get over yourself.
Last words: If this were one of my games, I would have already ejected those of you doing the brunt of the complaining. I don't know why Rachael is as patient as she is - must be something to do with motherhood. I don't have the kind of iron will she does, but I practice as much patience with my children as possible. I'm not about to do the same with a bunch of alleged adults.

The White Wolf

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Unknown (dc212) txurce Dec 22, 11:58 pm
I would have no problem playing in a game with the GM's spouse. I'm currently playing in one where two players are related, and had I known ahead of time, probably wouldn't have. (Interestingly, Rachael is playing in that game as well.) It's easy to imagine someone feeling differently about the GM/player example. Some GMs would ask for a vote on the issue; others would just make a unilateral ruling. I agree with White Wolf that the decision on how to handle it is solely up to the GM (and the mods). If a player doesn't like it, he or she can resign... from the game. To state that the alternative is to quit DC is a little too close to "America: love it or leave it"!

Jorge
DC 217, Delay proposed - mclyker   (Dec 22, 2008, 7:00 pm)
<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Merry Christmas all!

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Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: DC 217, Delay proposed


Hey all,

I have had a request to delay the game before the fall orders tonight, due to some recent difficulty with e-mail contact, and general difficulty in communications around this festive time of year.

I have agreed to this delay, which in the long run will set the game back only a couple of days. The new deadline for fall will be the 5th of January, instead of having winter due on that date.

Sorry to those of you that are anxiously waiting for the next turn. Hope this is okay with everyone. Feel free to let me know your thoughts.

Warren



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Subject: DC 217, Update and deadline
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:42:03 -0700

.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hey everyone,

Just a quick note to touch base. I have been travelling a lot lately and haven't been online much. Because of this I haven't given confirmations to many orders this week. I'll try to get to them all today...... sometime.

So the deadline is tonight, about 8 hours from now. I hope to be fairly prompt with it, so get your orders in BEFORE then if you can. Once I open my mail at, or after, the deadline, the inbox is CLOSED.

After this deadline I propose a break until the new year. Again I'm going to be travelling a lot, so contact will be spotty. Let me know your thoughts on this. I'm thinking around Monday the 5th for the next deadline after tonight.

Get 'em in!

Warren





From: alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com
To: professorhill2002(at)yahoo.com; mclyker(at)msn.com; simon.langley-evans(at)nottingham.ac.uk; mistro914(at)gmail.com; drew3739o(at)yahoo.com; verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; stipe505(at)gmail.com; dc217(at)diplomaticcorp.com
CC: former.trout(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com
Subject: DC 217, spring/summer 1903
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:25:50 -0700

.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} After the spring turn we had one retreat due from Turkey. There was only one option, so I have assumed that it would be taken. Rachael, please let me know if you would rather retreat it OTB.

One more turn to go, and then we will take a bit of time off for the holiday season. I'm going to suggest we start up again on the 5th, probably with winter 1903 due on that day. I'm open to feedback of course.

For now, Fall 1903 is due on Monday, December 22, 22:00 MST.

Here is the spring and summer adjudication:


---------------------
ORDERS RECEIVED:

England:
England F BRE - PIC
England F ENG - MAO
England A HOL - BEL
England F NRT – NWY
England F EDI – NWG

France:
A Burgundy - Ruhr
F Liverpool - Clyde
A Marseilles - Gascony
A Paris Supports A Marseilles - Gascony
A Portugal - Spain

Germany:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Sweden
A Denmark - Sweden
A Kiel - Ruhr
A Munich - Ruhr

Italy:
A Ven -> Tyr
A Vie holds
A Tri -> Ser
F Nap -> Ion
F Apu -> Adr
F Ion -> Alb

Russia:
FSwe-Nwy
FStPnc S FSwe-Nwy
AWar-Sil
AGal-S ABud
ARum S Italian A Tri-Ser
FSev-BLA
ABud S Italian ATri-Ser

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
A Greece Hold
A Serbia Supports A Budapest
A Smyrna - Ankara

ADJUDICATION:

England:
F Brest - Picardy
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
F English Channel - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Holland - Belgium
F North Sea - Norway (*Fails*)

France:
A Burgundy - Ruhr (*Bounce*)
F Liverpool - Clyde
A Marseilles - Gascony
A Paris Supports A Marseilles - Gascony
A Portugal - Spain

Germany:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Sweden
A Denmark - Sweden
A Kiel - Ruhr (*Bounce*)
A Munich - Ruhr (*Bounce*)

Italy:
F Apulia - Adriatic Sea
F Ionian Sea - Albania
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Trieste - Serbia
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna Hold

Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Trieste - Serbia
A Galicia Supports A Budapest
A Rumania Supports A Trieste - Serbia
F Sevastopol - Black Sea
F St Petersburg(nc) Supports F Sweden - Norway
F Sweden - Norway
A Warsaw - Silesia

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
A Greece Hold
A Serbia Supports A Budapest (*Dislodged*)
A Smyrna - Ankara

SUMMER:

There was one retreat due from Turkey, however I have retreated the unit to its only option,Bulgaria.

Fall 1903 is now due in one week, on December 22nd, 22:00 MST.
----------------------------

Maps are attached. Check everything.

Warren



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DC 217, Delay proposed - mclyker   (Dec 22, 2008, 7:00 pm)
<?xml:namespace prefix="v" /><?xml:namespace prefix="o" /><![endif]--> Works fine.

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Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 3:23 PM
Subject: DC 217, Delay proposed


Hey all,

I have had a request to delay the game before the fall orders tonight, due to some recent difficulty with e-mail contact, and general difficulty in communications around this festive time of year.

I have agreed to this delay, which in the long run will set the game back only a couple of days. The new deadline for fall will be the 5th of January, instead of having winter due on that date.

Sorry to those of you that are anxiously waiting for the next turn. Hope this is okay with everyone. Feel free to let me know your thoughts.

Warren



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Subject: DC 217, Update and deadline
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:42:03 -0700

.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Hey everyone,

Just a quick note to touch base. I have been travelling a lot lately and haven't been online much. Because of this I haven't given confirmations to many orders this week. I'll try to get to them all today...... sometime.

So the deadline is tonight, about 8 hours from now. I hope to be fairly prompt with it, so get your orders in BEFORE then if you can. Once I open my mail at, or after, the deadline, the inbox is CLOSED.

After this deadline I propose a break until the new year. Again I'm going to be travelling a lot, so contact will be spotty. Let me know your thoughts on this. I'm thinking around Monday the 5th for the next deadline after tonight.

Get 'em in!

Warren





From: alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com
To: professorhill2002(at)yahoo.com; mclyker(at)msn.com; simon.langley-evans(at)nottingham.ac.uk; mistro914(at)gmail.com; drew3739o(at)yahoo.com; verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com; stipe505(at)gmail.com; dc217(at)diplomaticcorp.com
CC: former.trout(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com
Subject: DC 217, spring/summer 1903
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 22:25:50 -0700

.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} After the spring turn we had one retreat due from Turkey. There was only one option, so I have assumed that it would be taken. Rachael, please let me know if you would rather retreat it OTB.

One more turn to go, and then we will take a bit of time off for the holiday season. I'm going to suggest we start up again on the 5th, probably with winter 1903 due on that day. I'm open to feedback of course.

For now, Fall 1903 is due on Monday, December 22, 22:00 MST.

Here is the spring and summer adjudication:


---------------------
ORDERS RECEIVED:

England:
England F BRE - PIC
England F ENG - MAO
England A HOL - BEL
England F NRT – NWY
England F EDI – NWG

France:
A Burgundy - Ruhr
F Liverpool - Clyde
A Marseilles - Gascony
A Paris Supports A Marseilles - Gascony
A Portugal - Spain

Germany:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Sweden
A Denmark - Sweden
A Kiel - Ruhr
A Munich - Ruhr

Italy:
A Ven -> Tyr
A Vie holds
A Tri -> Ser
F Nap -> Ion
F Apu -> Adr
F Ion -> Alb

Russia:
FSwe-Nwy
FStPnc S FSwe-Nwy
AWar-Sil
AGal-S ABud
ARum S Italian A Tri-Ser
FSev-BLA
ABud S Italian ATri-Ser

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
A Greece Hold
A Serbia Supports A Budapest
A Smyrna - Ankara

ADJUDICATION:

England:
F Brest - Picardy
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
F English Channel - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Holland - Belgium
F North Sea - Norway (*Fails*)

France:
A Burgundy - Ruhr (*Bounce*)
F Liverpool - Clyde
A Marseilles - Gascony
A Paris Supports A Marseilles - Gascony
A Portugal - Spain

Germany:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Denmark - Sweden
A Denmark - Sweden
A Kiel - Ruhr (*Bounce*)
A Munich - Ruhr (*Bounce*)

Italy:
F Apulia - Adriatic Sea
F Ionian Sea - Albania
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Trieste - Serbia
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna Hold

Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Trieste - Serbia
A Galicia Supports A Budapest
A Rumania Supports A Trieste - Serbia
F Sevastopol - Black Sea
F St Petersburg(nc) Supports F Sweden - Norway
F Sweden - Norway
A Warsaw - Silesia

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
A Greece Hold
A Serbia Supports A Budapest (*Dislodged*)
A Smyrna - Ankara

SUMMER:

There was one retreat due from Turkey, however I have retreated the unit to its only option,Bulgaria.

Fall 1903 is now due in one week, on December 22nd, 22:00 MST.
----------------------------

Maps are attached. Check everything.

Warren



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DC225 Spring 1901 Results - AlanRFarrington   (Dec 22, 2008, 5:48 pm)
Hello Everybody,
I hope you're all having a great holiday season and I hope this deadline didn't interfere with anyone's holiday celebrations. With no summer turn needed we'll move straight to the fall.

Players:

Austria: Santiago Villamayor (svillamayor(at)mail.cl)
England: Mark Utterback (MDemagogue(at)gmail.com)
France: Anthony Stevens (AandTStevens(at)GMail.com)
Germany: Jyri Syrja (jyjusy(at)hotmail.com)
Italy: Mike Cassel (mc3358a(at)student.american.edu)
Russia: Rachael Jameson (verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com)
Turkey: Michael Holm (Zipholm(at)hotmail.com)

Next Deadline:

Fall 1901 is due Friday December 26 at 12:00pm GMT (7:00pm EST)
Any issues with this (I know the holliday season can be busy) please let me know.

Orders:

Austria:
A Budapest - Serbia
F Trieste - Adriatic Sea
A Vienna Hold

England:
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Liverpool - Edinburgh
F London - North Sea

France:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Marseilles Supports A Paris - Burgundy
A Paris - Burgundy

Germany:
A Berlin - Kiel
F Kiel - Holland
A Munich - Ruhr

Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome - Naples
A Venice - Tyrolia

Russia:
A Moscow - Ukraine
F Sevastopol - Rumania
F St Petersburg(sc) - Gulf of Bothnia
A Warsaw - Galicia

Turkey:
F Ankara - Constantinople
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Smyrna - Ankara

Any criticism (constructive or not) to my GMing would be appreciated.
Enjoy your holidays,
Alan Farrington
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dc210 f05 results! (3rd time) - FuzzyLogic   (Dec 22, 2008, 5:41 pm)
Draw is voted down, we play on!

BUILDS:

Due Wed 24th? Lemme know if that doesn't work. 10am Pacific.

A: Even
E: +1 (Kie)
F: +2 (Hol, Por)
G: -1 (Kie, Hol, 1 unit lost in spring)
I: Even
R: +1 (+Ank -Por, 1 unit lost in spring)
T: -1 (Ank)

CHECK MY BUILDS. Remember this game is adjudicated by hand, so I'm
adding these up manually each time.

Enjoy!
-mike


Austria:
A Boh move Tyr
A Tri support A Boh move Tyr
A Ser move Bud
A Rum support A Bul
A Bul support F Aeg move Con
F Adr support F Ion move Apu
F Ion move Apu
F Aeg move Con (*Fails 2:3*)

Britain:
A (Lpl) stand
F (NTH) s F (Kie) stand
F (Kie) s Russian F (SBS) - Ber (*Cut*)
F (Nwy) stand
F (Den) s F (Kie) stand

France:
F Por Holds
A Spa - Gal
A Bel - Col
A Hol S A Bel - Col
F Iri - Eng
F Bre - Fla

Germany:
A Bavaria -> Kiel (*Fails 1:3*)
F Berlin Support Bavaria -> Kiel (*Cut*)
A Silisia Support Berlin

Italy:
1) A SWI Hold, Support A PIE
2) A VEN Hold, Support A SWI
3) A PIE Hold, Support A SWI
7) F TYS Hold

Russia:
F SBS - Berlin (*Fails 1:2*)
a swe boards f nbs at swe
f nbs - swe
a ank s a con
a cau - ezr (*OK, EZR accepted for ERZ*)

Ottoman:
F BLA supp A Con

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dc210 f05 results! (corrected) - FuzzyLogic   (Dec 22, 2008, 5:36 pm)
Draw is voted down, we play on!

BUILDS:

Due Wed 24th? Lemme know if that doesn't work. 10am Pacific.

A: Even
E: +1 (Kie)
F: +2 (Hol, Por)
G: -2 (Kie, Hol)
I: Even
R: Even (+Ank -Por)
T: -1 (Ank)

CHECK MY BUILDS. Remember this game is adjudicated by hand, so I'm
adding these up manually each time.

Enjoy!
-mike


Austria:
A Boh move Tyr
A Tri support A Boh move Tyr
A Ser move Bud
A Rum support A Bul
A Bul support F Aeg move Con
F Adr support F Ion move Apu
F Ion move Apu
F Aeg move Con (*Fails 2:3*)

Britain:
A (Lpl) stand
F (NTH) s F (Kie) stand
F (Kie) s Russian F (SBS) - Ber (*Cut*)
F (Nwy) stand
F (Den) s F (Kie) stand

France:
F Por Holds
A Spa - Gal
A Bel - Col
A Hol S A Bel - Col
F Iri - Eng
F Bre - Fla

Germany:
A Bavaria -> Kiel (*Fails 1:3*)
F Berlin Support Bavaria -> Kiel (*Cut*)
A Silisia Support Berlin

Italy:
1) A SWI Hold, Support A PIE
2) A VEN Hold, Support A SWI
3) A PIE Hold, Support A SWI
7) F TYS Hold

Russia:
F SBS - Berlin (*Fails 1:2*)
a swe boards f nbs at swe
f nbs - swe
a ank s a con
a cau - ezr (*OK, EZR accepted for ERZ*)

Ottoman:
F BLA supp A Con

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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 - packrat   (Dec 22, 2008, 5:35 pm)
As the GM I will follow with what you guys want to do - but I think this line of
discussion is ludicrous. To vote a solo to a player with SIX DOTS is nuts. SL
or not, please don't let one players delusions sway you to an endgame that is far
from assured. Yes, Michael has some points and they may even have some merit,
but there is life in this game if you clowns would just get together it would be different
indeed.

One player's view is just that, one player's view. England is a new player and the prior
England was inexperienced to say the least. There has been relatively NO coordination
between any players and I don't gave a hoot what variant you play, if players do not
work together then crap happens.

Like I said, if you guys want to vote France a solo that is your choice and if someone actually
proposes it for real I will put it out for a vote. However, I think to do that in the Spring/Summer
of 1902 is absolutely nuts. I have played this variant too and THIS GAME is FAR from being
decided.




From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: graham allen <g_mod23(at)hotmail.com>
Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com; stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com; mike(at)southwall.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:21:12 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1

graham,

i think its obvious that i wasn't the only rookie at this variant so many of us made mistakes...i'd be willing to vote France a solo and restart the game with a random (or preferfence list) redraw of powers...

i would also agree that if we if all play this again and make the same mistakes then i'd be a lot more sympathetic toward what Michael is saying, but this is a mullt-player game and sometimes other players will make bad decisions...its like when u play a game with dice or any luck element--sometimes you have games where the die rolls go against you..that's part of the game...if u don't like it then don't play in games with chance elements because if you do u might have bad luck...\

flapjack

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dc210 f05 results! - FuzzyLogic   (Dec 22, 2008, 5:31 pm)
Draw is voted down, we play on!

BUILDS:

Due Wed 24th? Lemme know if that doesn't work. 10am Pacific.

A: Even
E: +1 (Kie)
F: +1 (Hol)
G: -2 (Kie, Hol)
I: Even
R: +1 (Ank)
T: -1 (Ank)

CHECK MY BUILDS. Remember this game is adjudicated by hand, so I'm
adding these up manually each time.

Enjoy!
-mike


Austria:
A Boh move Tyr
A Tri support A Boh move Tyr
A Ser move Bud
A Rum support A Bul
A Bul support F Aeg move Con
F Adr support F Ion move Apu
F Ion move Apu
F Aeg move Con (*Fails 2:3*)

Britain:
A (Lpl) stand
F (NTH) s F (Kie) stand
F (Kie) s Russian F (SBS) - Ber (*Cut*)
F (Nwy) stand
F (Den) s F (Kie) stand

France:
F Por Holds
A Spa - Gal
A Bel - Col
A Hol S A Bel - Col
F Iri - Eng
F Bre - Fla

Germany:
A Bavaria -> Kiel (*Fails 1:3*)
F Berlin Support Bavaria -> Kiel (*Cut*)
A Silisia Support Berlin

Italy:
1) A SWI Hold, Support A PIE
2) A VEN Hold, Support A SWI
3) A PIE Hold, Support A SWI
7) F TYS Hold

Russia:
F SBS - Berlin (*Fails 1:2*)
a swe boards f nbs at swe
f nbs - swe
a ank s a con
a cau - ezr (*OK, EZR accepted for ERZ*)

Ottoman:
F BLA supp A Con

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