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Post:	< 8236 >
Subject:	< DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 >
Topic:	< dc218 >
Category:	< Closed Games
Author:	packrat
Posted:	Dec 22, 2008 at 5:35 pm
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Packrat

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Judgement: Diplomacy is a game of options, and it falls to the judgement of the Knight Tactician to determine the correct course to follow. Only with keen insight will he navigate the razor-thin edge of the path to victory.

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As the GM I will follow with what you guys want to do - but I think this line of
discussion is ludicrous. To vote a solo to a player with SIX DOTS is nuts. SL
or not, please don't let one players delusions sway you to an endgame that is far
from assured. Yes, Michael has some points and they may even have some merit,
but there is life in this game if you clowns would just get together it would be different
indeed.

One player's view is just that, one player's view. England is a new player and the prior
England was inexperienced to say the least. There has been relatively NO coordination
between any players and I don't gave a hoot what variant you play, if players do not
work together then crap happens.

Like I said, if you guys want to vote France a solo that is your choice and if someone actually
proposes it for real I will put it out for a vote. However, I think to do that in the Spring/Summer
of 1902 is absolutely nuts. I have played this variant too and THIS GAME is FAR from being
decided.

From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: graham allen <g_mod23(at)hotmail.com>
Cc: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com; stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk; matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com; mike(at)southwall.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 6:21:12 PM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1

graham,

i think its obvious that i wasn't the only rookie at this variant so many of us made mistakes...i'd be willing to vote France a solo and restart the game with a random (or preferfence list) redraw of powers...

i would also agree that if we if all play this again and make the same mistakes then i'd be a lot more sympathetic toward what Michael is saying, but this is a mullt-player game and sometimes other players will make bad decisions...its like when u play a game with dice or any luck element--sometimes you have games where the die rolls go against you..that's part of the game...if u don't like it then don't play in games with chance elements because if you do u might have bad luck...\

flapjack

This message is in reply to post 8219:

Michael,

while i sympathize with your frustration in view of your opinion of our play but this is a VARIANT.....which means traditional strategies don't work so i'm trying new things here--if they don't work fine...then i'll learn from my mistakes...iits like you sign up for a varient chess game with extra pieces and then you ar3 upset no one uses a king pawn opening...i would "normal" dip game start.

i am also a bit offended (don't worry i'll get over it) by your complaining about my play--as someone else said this is also game of diplomacy, sometimes people get taken in, i guess i was....but i don't think getting to your home centers so you can BUILD was such an awful assumption to make and i wish u would stop acting like it was some big conspiracy to screw you....

Also quitting really sucks, as i assume everyone will play out all the DC game starts even if they don't like the game or how they other players are playing...you should play out the game unless there is some clear evidence of cheating or other illegal activity..i am currently playing in dc207 viking dip..i really don't like the variant but i played to see if i liked and i'm going to play it out, even though i don't like it, for me to quit would be unfair to the other players, some of whom may like it. I don't assume because I don't like a game or am not enjoying it therefore no one else is...and i certainly don't blame the other players for the variant design or their play...anticipating how players will play to me is part of the designer's job, to blame them for taking advantage of design is blaming the effect for the cause...

just my two cents,

Jack

On Sun, Dec 21, 2008 at 8:35 AM, MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Worst played game imaginable & they still don't acknowledge it. Dead wrong: Stephen can not lose unless he tries to by continuing to negotiate when it is needless to do so just to pretend a game is going on. Have played & run dozens of these - interdict 1st or don't enter the game. Running home means you want to play Standard - plenty of that simple stuff available elsewhere. Sorry about your son but this game is hopeless. Both E's moves were fine (blocked Ven as R should have & the like) so no issue there.

--- On Sat, 12/20/08, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:5386912030]From: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Subject: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: I'm out of this 1
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]), "The White Wolf" <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com ([email]jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com[/email]), "Stephen Worthy" <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk ([email]stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk[/email])>, g_mod23(at)hotmail.com ([email]g_mod23(at)hotmail.com[/email]), matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]), scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Cc: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>, dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]), "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])>, mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email]), stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Date: Saturday, December 20, 2008, 5:32 AM
A couple of things here folks -
Orders were due Friday and I will get to them at some point
today. We had 1/2" or more
of ice on EVERY thing and my son was almost killed by
falling branches. Sorry, but that
took priority.

Michael - I am sorry you feel that way but how, exactly,
does your being a poor sport
and running for the hills help this game? You may see
this game as over, but I think it
is a far cry from that and I also believe you are wrong.
Unfortunately me being the GM
precludes me from commenting beyond that. There is a new
Enland on the board and
his first set of moves has yet to be seen by anyone but
me. Trust me, I have thrown
similar temper tantrums to yours (some worse) and this too
will pass. I would prefer
that you stayed in the game and played it to the end but I
am not going to beg you to.
I already think you are an ass as a GM, please do not give
me reason to think you
are as a player as well.

ALL: I will adjudicate later today if I can, there are
family events going on from
1-4 and 9-midnight so I will try and get it done between 4
and 11. I will run
this season with the orders Michael submitted already and
take it from there.

Michael - if you still want out just let me know and I will
replace you. Otherwise
I will assume you were just blowing off steam and keep you
on board.

[/quote:5386912030]

There are 10 Messages in this Thread:

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 (FlapJack) Dec 22, 02:20 pm

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 (FlapJack) Dec 22, 02:22 pm

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 (vegas_iwish) Dec 22, 03:13 pm

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 (FlapJack) Dec 22, 04:32 pm

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 (gman) Dec 22, 04:34 pm

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 (FlapJack) Dec 22, 05:21 pm

DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: Reiterate: I'm out of this 1 (packrat) Dec 22, 05:35 pm

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