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dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:25 pm)

What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
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dc 197 Winter 1905 - kevinokelly (Dec 17, 2008, 10:24 pm)

Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.

In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:24 pm)

Right on. Because if the unit in Syria was a fleet then the alphabetical part of the calculation comes in... Norwegian (N) before Syria (S)...

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 10:22 pm)

yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:19 pm)

Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.

Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that c

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 10:15 pm)

so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
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dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 10:01 pm)

None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.

i.e.

The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 9:54 pm)

Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.

But I am curious - given the three editions that have come o

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - former.trout (Dec 17, 2008, 9:48 pm)

Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.

Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals a

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - kevinokelly (Dec 17, 2008, 9:46 pm)

There have been 3 editions since that edition of the rules... and on top of that, we have our own set of house rules.
We'll have to see what the GM says.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Pac

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 9:43 pm)

2nd edition, Feb 82

pg 9, item 4 - Civil-Disorder removals
unit furthest from home is removed first,(more distant from the nearest home supply center
as computed by the shortest available route,

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - kevinokelly (Dec 17, 2008, 9:25 pm)

Which rules are you referencing?

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:3ed77131c9] I believe the rules say HOME su

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WWIV s09 retreats! (map tweak) - FuzzyLogic (Dec 17, 2008, 8:27 pm)

A little tweak to the Turkish flag, so we can tell the red Turks from the red Chinese.
-mike

From: Michael Sims
Sent: Tuesday,

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - packrat (Dec 17, 2008, 8:15 pm)

I believe the rules say HOME supply center.

The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equi

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - kevinokelly (Dec 17, 2008, 8:12 pm)

Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.

The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.

The rules specifically state that the fi

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DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication - bielf11 (Dec 17, 2008, 8:02 pm)

Austria army Munich retreats to Bohemia.
Italy sees its units increase by 2 and Austria has to disband one.
What was that again about an alliance between Italy and Austria?

Ownership:
Austria:

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DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication (dc223) simon.gwilliam at baes... Dec 18, 02:47 am

I'm fine with the dates - I doubt I'd get much access to a computer over xmas anyway.

Durdatha whye

Simon H Gwilliam
Surface Ship Command Systems
simon.gwilliam(at)baesystems.com
Tel: 02083295

DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication (dc223) simon.gwilliam at baes... Dec 18, 02:47 am

I'm fine with the dates - I doubt I'd get much access to a computer over xmas anyway.

Durdatha whye

Simon H Gwilliam
Surface Ship Command Systems
simon.gwilliam(at)baesystems.com
Tel: 02083295

DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication (dc223) FlapJack Dec 18, 10:48 am

dates are fine with me..i'm working half days on both dec 24th and Dec 26th (i'm off both days but i work two jobs and each one is dec 24 and one is off dec 26)...so i'm on if you need me.

DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication (dc223) sanjat312 Dec 18, 10:59 am

I'm good, of course (no builds). Have a great holiday season!
Thanks,
Josh

--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>

Eastern World 901-Comments Requested - david_e_cohen (Dec 17, 2008, 7:46 pm)

This is the eastern counterpart to the Western World 901 subvariant/precursor to my very large Known World 901 variant, with the changes being near the western, southern and northern edges of the map

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dc 197 Winter 1905 - Kai (Dec 17, 2008, 7:05 pm)

Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest

England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire

France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest

Germany:
Remove A Boh

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dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 08:12 pm

Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.

The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.

The rules specifically state that the fi

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 08:15 pm

I believe the rules say HOME supply center.

The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equi

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 09:25 pm

Which rules are you referencing?

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:3ed77131c9] I believe the rules say HOME su

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 09:43 pm

2nd edition, Feb 82

pg 9, item 4 - Civil-Disorder removals
unit furthest from home is removed first,(more distant from the nearest home supply center
as computed by the shortest available route,

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 09:46 pm

There have been 3 editions since that edition of the rules... and on top of that, we have our own set of house rules.
We'll have to see what the GM says.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Pac

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 09:48 pm

Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.

Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals a

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 09:54 pm

Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.

But I am curious - given the three editions that have come o

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:01 pm

None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.

i.e.

The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:15 pm

so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
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dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:19 pm

Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.

Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that c

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:22 pm

yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:24 pm

Right on. Because if the unit in Syria was a fleet then the alphabetical part of the calculation comes in... Norwegian (N) before Syria (S)...

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 10:24 pm

Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.

In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:25 pm

What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
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dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:27 pm

No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.

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dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) kevinokelly Dec 17, 10:29 pm

I believe convoys don't count. It is per unit, not per route.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
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dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:30 pm

Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:31 pm

They counted in the 82 edition

From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
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dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:32 pm

nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"

From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:33 pm

Here's a simpler way of putting it:

The number of spaces are counted using the shortest path - regardless of whether a unit can move there or not.

Least, that's the way I've always

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:34 pm

Right on. So we agree. =)

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:786ef15e2b] nope - the 82 rules say "as computed

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:38 pm

A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.

Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.

From: Former Trout

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 10:46 pm

Dude - I'm pretty sure that I've seen you auto-disband using the shortest route approach. Why are we debating this? =)

I've never seen anyone calculate an auto-disband based on the rout

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) klynch427 Dec 17, 10:50 pm

Wow - lots of emails in my inbox tonight. 2 comments.

1) I actually requested a Fleet in Trieste. I've re-sent that email to the GM, not sure how I ended up with an Army in TRI instead.

2) I'm n

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 10:55 pm

Actually, I think I have only actually run into this scenario a couple of times and then
I the route wasn't an issue.

Also, given the latest rulebook reference I would have to agree with you 100%

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) former.trout Dec 17, 11:02 pm

Guys,

Having taken part in creating the default HRs I can assure everyone that it was never the intention to create a set of rules that conflicted with the Standard Diplomacy rules.

The quote

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) packrat Dec 17, 11:07 pm

FWIW - I agree. On all points.

You might also want to consider something at the top of the houserules
stating what edition was used in drafting the rules. The URL you had
in the other email woul

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 18, 02:12 pm

Hey guys,

The ruling stands as is. I interpreted it as farthest away from the home centers, as did RealPolitik. There was a mess up on my part however, Austria is right and it should be a Fleet in

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) klynch427 Dec 18, 02:25 pm

Thanks Kai, I appreciate the clarification on my fleet in TRI. The map you attached still seems to show an army in TRI though.

I'm ok with the deadline though it does seem a long way off. I at leas

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 19, 03:48 pm

That map is still wrong. I will send out the new one when I get home tonight. Sorry all, it is an Austrian fleet in TRI jsut to remind everyone.

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Jackson Foster &lt

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 20, 03:41 pm

Right map+
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:47 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:caa09ac68a] That map is still wrong. I will send out the n

dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 26, 12:05 pm

Reminder guys- Orders are due by 23:00 GMT Today. Missing some still.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 4:40 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
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dc 197 Winter 1905 (dc197) Kai Dec 28, 05:31 pm

Hey all aorry for the delay. Will be out tomorrow.

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:2325ca5ae6] Aus

DC223 - Fall 1902 Adjudication - bielf11 (Dec 17, 2008, 6:33 pm)

Fall 1902: a reporter from The Gazette is quoted saying that the Austrian Emperor for sure will show his displeasure with this Fall's result. Perhaps the taking of Greece may make up for the loss

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DC223 - Fall 1902 Adjudication (dc223) pieandmash Dec 18, 02:27 am

Dates good with me. Merry Christmas chaps. Have a great break and enjoy finest English beef and scotch whisky courtesy of the royal navy

Sent from my iPhone

On 18 Dec 2008, at 00:32, "F Bielsc

Unknown - david_e_cohen (Dec 17, 2008, 5:25 pm)

I don't see anything.

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DC 207: Summer 366 Map - scaponig (Dec 17, 2008, 4:34 pm)

Here she is.

Thanks!

Steve

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Unknown (dc207) david_e_cohen Dec 17, 05:25 pm

I don't see anything.

Unknown (dc207) scaponig Dec 18, 07:10 am

Did you get the email, or just the post?
I'm pretty sure I attached it to the email.

Unknown (dc207) david_e_cohen Dec 18, 09:01 am

I do not believe I am on your email list for adjudications. I would love to be, though. The email address to use is zendip18 AT optonline DOT net.

DC219, Spring 03 - m_don_j (Dec 17, 2008, 2:43 pm)

And here are the results!

Austria:
A Budapest - Serbia
F Bulgaria(sc), no move received
A Greece Supports F Bulgaria(sc)
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Venice
A Tyrolia - Venice (*Fails*)
A

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DC219, All orders in - m_don_j (Dec 17, 2008, 2:23 pm)

Heya folks!

All orders are in, commencing Adjudication.

/ Mikael
Höststäda med nya dammsugarpåsar. www.Dammsugarpåsar.Nu

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DC 220 Delay - Verticallychallangedcutie (Dec 17, 2008, 12:27 pm)

Folks,
I just received a 2 day extension request and I've granted it. The new deadline is Friday Dec 19th at 7pm EST.

-Rachael

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DC 211: (Ctrl-Z... Undo) - AceRimmer (Dec 17, 2008, 9:24 am)

Reverse conga line! Let’s back up the other way! But, for fun, let’s go through Kiel instead of Denmark. You guys are very entertaining, you know. And I like the way you are resurrecting the t

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