| DC 463, Game Over - alfdog (Apr 10, 2014, 4:33 pm) |
many thanks to everyone for a great game.
work commitments got in the way at times so sorry for missed emails and late orders
Italy is difficult at best of times but even harder if tur and fra are insufficiently pinned down
I'm afraid it is almost impossible to survive being in the middle of a Mediterranean sandwich
i had hopeful for greater success but ultimately i was unable to use diplomacy to shape the play in a favourable way.
my only surprise is that t and e did not try to go for a two way draw as confined f and r did not stand a chance
all the best
Alfred
Sent from Samsung Mobile
Jason 4747 wrote:
Austria EOG:
Now that it has been a while, the memory has faded a bit so please excuse any innaccuracies:
First, a big thanks to Warren - I always enjoy your GMing and playing as well.
As Austria, I believe I just sort of hosed it up at the beginning and pretty much paid for it like a normal Austria-out-first game. I do like Austria, it is like playing chess a queen down, but always fun.
Thanks to all of you for playing, stabbers included as that is the thrill of the game andwhy we play. I did like to watch from the sidelines as it finished out. Well done, hope to see you all again soon.
Jason
CC: LucasMayer1(at)gmx.de; jakewalters27(at)gmail.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk; jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch; jason4747(at)hotmail.com; dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com
From: slangers(at)me.com
Subject: Re: DC 463, Game Over
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 05:28:25 -0400
To: mrh(at)panix.com
Sleepless in Boston certainly lauds your efforts!
Simon Langley-Evans
Professor of Human Nutrition
Deputy Head of School of Biosciences
University of Nottingham
On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mike Hoffman wrote:
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be
carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!
Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer
wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take
Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria
and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as
the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working
E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France.
I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to
help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared
that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that
so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch"
, "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" ,
"lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" ,
"dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into
our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian
centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the
game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially
our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming
wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
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| DC 463, Game Over - jason4747 (Apr 09, 2014, 7:36 am) |
Austria EOG:
Now that it has been a while, the memory has faded a bit so please excuse any innaccuracies:
First, a big thanks to Warren - I always enjoy your GMing and playing as well.
As Austria, I believe I just sort of hosed it up at the beginning and pretty much paid for it like a normal Austria-out-first game. I do like Austria, it is like playing chess a queen down, but always fun.
Thanks to all of you for playing, stabbers included as that is the thrill of the game andwhy we play. I did like to watch from the sidelines as it finished out. Well done, hope to see you all again soon.
Jason
CC: LucasMayer1(at)gmx.de; jakewalters27(at)gmail.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk; jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch; jason4747(at)hotmail.com; dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com
From: slangers(at)me.com
Subject: Re: DC 463, Game Over
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 05:28:25 -0400
To: mrh(at)panix.com
Sleepless in Boston certainly lauds your efforts!
Simon Langley-EvansProfessor of Human NutritionDeputy Head of School of BiosciencesUniversity of Nottingham
On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mike Hoffman wrote:
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France. I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over - Slangers (Apr 09, 2014, 4:28 am) |
Sleepless in Boston certainly lauds your efforts!
Simon Langley-EvansProfessor of Human NutritionDeputy Head of School of BiosciencesUniversity of Nottingham
On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mike Hoffman wrote:
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France. I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over - offdisc (Apr 08, 2014, 6:07 pm) |
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France. I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
[Reply] |
| Aw: DC 463, Game Over - ProfessorMoriarty (Apr 07, 2014, 4:45 pm) |
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France. I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over - persuader (Apr 07, 2014, 8:09 am) |
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0[Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over - offdisc (Apr 06, 2014, 3:14 pm) |
Hi All,Thanks for allowing me to help bring the game to a close. It was fun discussing the game and trying to come up with a good conclusion.Must admit, dealing with Simon was confusing --- but only because he is GMing another game I'm in and I got the games flipped in my head at times. 
Good Job to everyone.
Light Brigade --- Charge!
Mike Hoffman
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0[Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over - Slangers (Apr 06, 2014, 2:06 am) |
England Game end statement
I am surprised that the draw proposal has gone through. I thought Lucas would push on for a bit longer to see if he could force a mistake from the coalition, or at least eliminate Alfred. I'm pleased with the outcome though as I feel everyone deserves to get something from the game. We have all played well and I've enjoyed every part of the game. Thanks for a good one, Jake, Lucas, Mike and Alfred.
It was an odd one in the early stages. Jake and I formed an alliance right from the beginning and I felt very comfortable working with him. this was a relief as I hate playing England and the slow growth and constant bickering with the neighbours unsettles me. We hit the Low Countries early but Germany fought back hard and it took us a long time to gain the upper hand, and it was really only the intervention of Archer as Russia that brought him down. Archer... Archer... I made lots of mistakes with Archer- he took a pounding early on and really should have fallen first, but I was persuaded by Italy that we needed Russia to survive in order to hold up the Turk. Accordingly, I held off attacking Russia and he rewarded me with a stab and a nuisance war in Scandinavia. We then went through several rounds of forming new E-R pacts, which we both ended up breaking at various points. I think on balance it was 2 stabs each. I could never understand why R didn't hit back at Turkey and why Turkey didn't ever go for the kill against Russia. I guess for a while it suited Lucas to use Archer as a buffer against the northern powers.
Italy looked like a front runner early on and everyone rallied around to peg him back. For a while I thought this gave me a chance of a win for myself, but I felt that Turkey always had better prospects so I decided to play for a draw from about 1905 onwards. The balance of power was shaping up to be E-I-F against the R-T alliance but then Jake hit Italy against all advice. That was then I felt I had to go for it and attack France- this was partly to explore whether I could engineer something for myself, but mainly to prevent Jake getting strong enough that he could partner with Russia to take me down. The downside was that I lost a good friend and Italy rather petulantly declared that because of MY actions (not French actions against him...) he would help Turkey win the game. I didn't understand this at all as in effect I was coming to his aid.
Attacking France and having my ongoing wars with Archer in Scandinavia made me very vulnerable. I was very afraid of a F-R alliance which could have destroyed me. Fortunately this was when Archer lost interest so this doom scenario never arose. When Mike joined the game the agenda was clear- Turkey would win if E-F-R couldn't work together. I think Jake took some persuading,but he bravely trusted me to behave myself and we were able to rapidly throw up a stalemate position. Thanks to Mike for stepping in and being the voice of reason.
Everyone played well, but I thought Lucas played especially well. The use of the Russian shield was excellent and his repeated attempts to goad me into attacking Russia at the end were well thought out. It's a shame we never got the chance for our units to stand toe to toe and fight it out. Maybe in another game we can battle it out.
Thanks to Warren for GMing. It is a tricky task at the best of times, but when RP blows up on you it gets really difficult.
Simon [Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over - Slangers (Apr 06, 2014, 2:05 am) |
England Game end statement
I am surprised that the draw proposal has gone through. I thought Lucas would push on for a bit longer to see if he could force a mistake from the coalition, or at least eliminate Alfred. I'm pleased with the outcome though as I feel everyone deserves to get something from the game. We have all played well and I've enjoyed every part of the game. Thanks for a good one, Jake, Lucas, Mike and Alfred.
It was an odd one in the early stages. Jake and I formed an alliance right from the beginning and I felt very comfortable working with him. this was a relief as I hate playing England and the slow growth and constant bickering with the neighbours unsettles me. We hit the Low Countries early but Germany fought back hard and it took us a long time to gain the upper hand, and it was really only the intervention of Archer as Russia that brought him down. Archer... Archer... I made lots of mistakes with Archer- he took a pounding early on and really should have fallen first, but I was persuaded by Italy that we needed Russia to survive in order to hold up the Turk. Accordingly, I held off attacking Russia and he rewarded me with a stab and a nuisance war in Scandinavia. We then went through several rounds of forming new E-R pacts, which we both ended up breaking at various points. I think on balance it was 2 stabs each. I could never understand why R didn't hit back at Turkey and why Turkey didn't ever go for the kill against Russia. I guess for a while it suited Lucas to use Archer as a buffer against the northern powers.
Italy looked like a front runner early on and everyone rallied around to peg him back. For a while I thought this gave me a chance of a win for myself, but I felt that Turkey always had better prospects so I decided to play for a draw from about 1905 onwards. The balance of power was shaping up to be E-I-F against the R-T alliance but then Jake hit Italy against all advice. That was then I felt I had to go for it and attack France- this was partly to explore whether I could engineer something for myself, but mainly to prevent Jake getting strong enough that he could partner with Russia to take me down. The downside was that I lost a good friend and Italy rather petulantly declared that because of MY actions (not French actions against him...) he would help Turkey win the game. I didn't understand this at all as in effect I was coming to his aid.
Attacking France and having my ongoing wars with Archer in Scandinavia made me very vulnerable. I was very afraid of a F-R alliance which could have destroyed me. Fortunately this was when Archer lost interest so this doom scenario never arose. When Mike joined the game the agenda was clear- Turkey would win if E-F-R couldn't work together. I think Jake took some persuading,but he bravely trusted me to behave myself and we were able to rapidly throw up a stalemate position. Thanks to Mike for stepping in and being the voice of reason.
Everyone played well, but I thought Lucas played especially well. The use of the Russian shield was excellent and his repeated attempts to goad me into attacking Russia at the end were well thought out. It's a shame we never got the chance for our units to stand toe to toe and fight it out. Maybe in another game we can battle it out.
Thanks to Warren for GMing. It is a tricky task at the best of times, but when RP blows up on you it gets really difficult.
Simon [Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over - alwayshunted (Apr 05, 2014, 6:34 pm) |
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0[Reply] |
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) Slangers Apr 06, 02:05 am |
England Game end statement
I am surprised that the draw proposal has gone through. I thought Lucas would push on for a bit longer to see if he could force a mistake from the coalition, or at least eliminate Alfred. I'm pleased with the outcome though as I feel everyone deserves to get something from the game. We have all played well and I've enjoyed every part of the game. Thanks for a good one, Jake, Lucas, Mike and Alfred.
It was an odd one in the early stages. Jake and I formed an alliance right from the beginning and I felt very comfortable working with him. this was a relief as I hate playing England and the slow growth and constant bickering with the neighbours unsettles me. We hit the Low Countries early but Germany fought back hard and it took us a long time to gain the upper hand, and it was really only the intervention of Archer as Russia that brought him down. Archer... Archer... I made lots of mistakes with Archer- he took a pounding early on and really should have fallen first, but I was persuaded by Italy that we needed Russia to survive in order to hold up the Turk. Accordingly, I held off attacking Russia and he rewarded me with a stab and a nuisance war in Scandinavia. We then went through several rounds of forming new E-R pacts, which we both ended up breaking at various points. I think on balance it was 2 stabs each. I could never understand why R didn't hit back at Turkey and why Turkey didn't ever go for the kill against Russia. I guess for a while it suited Lucas to use Archer as a buffer against the northern powers.
Italy looked like a front runner early on and everyone rallied around to peg him back. For a while I thought this gave me a chance of a win for myself, but I felt that Turkey always had better prospects so I decided to play for a draw from about 1905 onwards. The balance of power was shaping up to be E-I-F against the R-T alliance but then Jake hit Italy against all advice. That was then I felt I had to go for it and attack France- this was partly to explore whether I could engineer something for myself, but mainly to prevent Jake getting strong enough that he could partner with Russia to take me down. The downside was that I lost a good friend and Italy rather petulantly declared that because of MY actions (not French actions against him...) he would help Turkey win the game. I didn't understand this at all as in effect I was coming to his aid.
Attacking France and having my ongoing wars with Archer in Scandinavia made me very vulnerable. I was very afraid of a F-R alliance which could have destroyed me. Fortunately this was when Archer lost interest so this doom scenario never arose. When Mike joined the game the agenda was clear- Turkey would win if E-F-R couldn't work together. I think Jake took some persuading,but he bravely trusted me to behave myself and we were able to rapidly throw up a stalemate position. Thanks to Mike for stepping in and being the voice of reason.
Everyone played well, but I thought Lucas played especially well. The use of the Russian shield was excellent and his repeated attempts to goad me into attacking Russia at the end were well thought out. It's a shame we never got the chance for our units to stand toe to toe and fight it out. Maybe in another game we can battle it out.
Thanks to Warren for GMing. It is a tricky task at the best of times, but when RP blows up on you it gets really difficult.
Simon |
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) Slangers Apr 06, 02:06 am |
England Game end statement
I am surprised that the draw proposal has gone through. I thought Lucas would push on for a bit longer to see if he could force a mistake from the coalition, or at least eliminate Alfred. I'm pleased with the outcome though as I feel everyone deserves to get something from the game. We have all played well and I've enjoyed every part of the game. Thanks for a good one, Jake, Lucas, Mike and Alfred.
It was an odd one in the early stages. Jake and I formed an alliance right from the beginning and I felt very comfortable working with him. this was a relief as I hate playing England and the slow growth and constant bickering with the neighbours unsettles me. We hit the Low Countries early but Germany fought back hard and it took us a long time to gain the upper hand, and it was really only the intervention of Archer as Russia that brought him down. Archer... Archer... I made lots of mistakes with Archer- he took a pounding early on and really should have fallen first, but I was persuaded by Italy that we needed Russia to survive in order to hold up the Turk. Accordingly, I held off attacking Russia and he rewarded me with a stab and a nuisance war in Scandinavia. We then went through several rounds of forming new E-R pacts, which we both ended up breaking at various points. I think on balance it was 2 stabs each. I could never understand why R didn't hit back at Turkey and why Turkey didn't ever go for the kill against Russia. I guess for a while it suited Lucas to use Archer as a buffer against the northern powers.
Italy looked like a front runner early on and everyone rallied around to peg him back. For a while I thought this gave me a chance of a win for myself, but I felt that Turkey always had better prospects so I decided to play for a draw from about 1905 onwards. The balance of power was shaping up to be E-I-F against the R-T alliance but then Jake hit Italy against all advice. That was then I felt I had to go for it and attack France- this was partly to explore whether I could engineer something for myself, but mainly to prevent Jake getting strong enough that he could partner with Russia to take me down. The downside was that I lost a good friend and Italy rather petulantly declared that because of MY actions (not French actions against him...) he would help Turkey win the game. I didn't understand this at all as in effect I was coming to his aid.
Attacking France and having my ongoing wars with Archer in Scandinavia made me very vulnerable. I was very afraid of a F-R alliance which could have destroyed me. Fortunately this was when Archer lost interest so this doom scenario never arose. When Mike joined the game the agenda was clear- Turkey would win if E-F-R couldn't work together. I think Jake took some persuading,but he bravely trusted me to behave myself and we were able to rapidly throw up a stalemate position. Thanks to Mike for stepping in and being the voice of reason.
Everyone played well, but I thought Lucas played especially well. The use of the Russian shield was excellent and his repeated attempts to goad me into attacking Russia at the end were well thought out. It's a shame we never got the chance for our units to stand toe to toe and fight it out. Maybe in another game we can battle it out.
Thanks to Warren for GMing. It is a tricky task at the best of times, but when RP blows up on you it gets really difficult.
Simon |
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) offdisc Apr 06, 03:14 pm |
Hi All,Thanks for allowing me to help bring the game to a close. It was fun discussing the game and trying to come up with a good conclusion.Must admit, dealing with Simon was confusing --- but only because he is GMing another game I'm in and I got the games flipped in my head at times.
Good Job to everyone.
Light Brigade --- Charge!
Mike Hoffman
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 6:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0 |
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) persuader Apr 07, 08:09 am |
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0 |
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) offdisc Apr 08, 06:07 pm |
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France. I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
|
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) Slangers Apr 09, 04:28 am |
Sleepless in Boston certainly lauds your efforts!
Simon Langley-EvansProfessor of Human NutritionDeputy Head of School of BiosciencesUniversity of Nottingham
On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mike Hoffman wrote:
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France. I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
|
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) jason4747 Apr 09, 07:36 am |
Austria EOG:
Now that it has been a while, the memory has faded a bit so please excuse any innaccuracies:
First, a big thanks to Warren - I always enjoy your GMing and playing as well.
As Austria, I believe I just sort of hosed it up at the beginning and pretty much paid for it like a normal Austria-out-first game. I do like Austria, it is like playing chess a queen down, but always fun.
Thanks to all of you for playing, stabbers included as that is the thrill of the game andwhy we play. I did like to watch from the sidelines as it finished out. Well done, hope to see you all again soon.
Jason
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From: slangers(at)me.com
Subject: Re: DC 463, Game Over
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 05:28:25 -0400
To: mrh(at)panix.com
Sleepless in Boston certainly lauds your efforts!
Simon Langley-EvansProfessor of Human NutritionDeputy Head of School of BiosciencesUniversity of Nottingham
On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mike Hoffman wrote:
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France. I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
|
| DC 463, Game Over (dc463) alfdog Apr 10, 04:33 pm |
many thanks to everyone for a great game.
work commitments got in the way at times so sorry for missed emails and late orders
Italy is difficult at best of times but even harder if tur and fra are insufficiently pinned down
I'm afraid it is almost impossible to survive being in the middle of a Mediterranean sandwich
i had hopeful for greater success but ultimately i was unable to use diplomacy to shape the play in a favourable way.
my only surprise is that t and e did not try to go for a two way draw as confined f and r did not stand a chance
all the best
Alfred
Sent from Samsung Mobile
Jason 4747 wrote:
Austria EOG:
Now that it has been a while, the memory has faded a bit so please excuse any innaccuracies:
First, a big thanks to Warren - I always enjoy your GMing and playing as well.
As Austria, I believe I just sort of hosed it up at the beginning and pretty much paid for it like a normal Austria-out-first game. I do like Austria, it is like playing chess a queen down, but always fun.
Thanks to all of you for playing, stabbers included as that is the thrill of the game andwhy we play. I did like to watch from the sidelines as it finished out. Well done, hope to see you all again soon.
Jason
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From: slangers(at)me.com
Subject: Re: DC 463, Game Over
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2014 05:28:25 -0400
To: mrh(at)panix.com
Sleepless in Boston certainly lauds your efforts!
Simon Langley-Evans
Professor of Human Nutrition
Deputy Head of School of Biosciences
University of Nottingham
On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:07 PM, Mike Hoffman wrote:
Lucas makes a good point about me changing the game. I have taken over MANY positions in my Dip life -- a couple years ago, I was invited to play the Annual Dip Invitational based on taking the most active Light Brigader.
One thing I have always desired was the ability to read all past correspondence from the original player, and step into their shoes. Literally, method-act as the replaced player. Whatever strategies were apparant from the conversations would continue to be
carried out; all alliances stand, all enemies stay enemies -- even if personally, I'd choose to take a different path.
But there is no way to capture and publish all email communications unless the GM is in the loop. Even then, the moral questions of reading personal emails arise.
So, we deal with replacements who come in with their own agendas, and disrupt the game flow. Sometimes we are lauded for our efforts, other times we are loathed.
Such is the lot of ---- The Light Brigade!
Ride On!
Michael
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:45 PM, Lucas Mayer
wrote:
End of game statement Turkey:
This was my first game on DC but I played about 90 games on German sides. I was very happy to play Turkey. Because Turkey is a country that in the beginning needs no close ally so I was sure that I could play it well in a foreign language.
The start was a bit strange. Archer offered Austria and me an Eastern triple. I didn`t believed him and I decided to ally with Austria and to attack Russia from the start. Archer took it very good and offered me an alliance again when I would only take
Sev and Rum and leave Mos and War to him. This was really good agreement and so I accepted it. The start of the west was very confuse. There was no clear leading alliance. E/F came out 1902, I think.
I became more and more worried about my first ally Austria. The moves were played like a Trieste treaty. So I said that to Jason and Alfred. Alfred said yes there was such a treaty declared and Jason said no. So I expected an attack on me from Austria
and negotiated very hard with Italy. Italy and I found a solution and so we attacked Austria together and it was the typical Austrian first-out. At this point everybody warned me because Italy became so strong but I think the Turkish position was as good as
the Italian position. One center less is not so unusual for an early Turkey. I decided to push further on with Italy as my main ally and Russia as my junior partner.
But then the point came that Italy didn`t answer anymore because of private reasons. I thought it was to dangerous to play with a silent ally and attacked him. The stab beated him very hard and made me to the leader. The situation was now: good working
E/F-alliance with small I against big T with small R/G. In this situation I expected a 3-way-draw because the stalemate was safe and talked to Jake and Simon about that. Now France attacked Italy to end the game and because of that England attacked France.
I think it was well played from France but a mistake from England. E/F was as strong as T and the French actions had forced me in a 3-way-draw but after the English stab there was a real possibility for a Turkish solo victory. France and Italy declared to
help me to win. Russia was still my ally.
Then Archer went out of the game and this was the moment were everything changed. Mike came in as a good player and I had no possibility to convince him to work against England like Archer did. France declared that he is now against me. Italy declared
that he is now neutral. All because of the change in Russia that rescued the English position. I would be very interested how the game had ended with Archer.
Under this circumstances I played for a 3-way-draw. If I look at the end position the logical result is a E/F/T-draw. England can take Russia out very easily. There is no danger for a Turkish solo victory but Simon signaled me that he wouldn`t do that
so I accepted the draw. I again don`t understand Englands point of view. Was it a gap of courage? Was it not having the diplomatic control alone? Maybe you can explain it to me, Simon. If I had played England I had taken Russia out.
All in all it was a very interesting game and definitly not my last one on DC. Thanky to everybody especially to Warren for GMing.
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 07. April 2014 um 15:09 Uhr
Von: "Jacob Walters"
An: "Warren Fleming"
Cc: "amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch"
, "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" ,
"lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "slangers(at)me.com" ,
"dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com" , "Mike Hoffman"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Game Over
This was a fun, frustrating and also interesting game. I had an alliance with England and good relations with Italy. IF we had been able to subdue Germany more quickly who knows how this might have turned out - I swear Germany had esp or hacked into
our computers because he seemed to know our every strategy and countered them all quite nicely. By the time Germany was conquered a stalemate had set in - and with that frustration comes the usual disagreement as to how to proceed. I made a grab for Italian
centers which caused England to attack me. Around that same time Archer
(Russia) lost interest or got too busy to play and that hurt us all. Had Russia declared for someone or some strategy things might have been different. Mike's stepping in to play Russia was great, he was a voice of reason and breathed some new life into the
game. Too bad he is a Mets fan! I thought everyone played well, Simon stabbed me twice but did so politely and always stayed in touch. Lucas took advantage of his opportunities and might have gotten the win had he been bolder. Thanks to everyone - especially
our esteemed game master Warren. Well done.
Jake
On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 7:34 PM, Warren Fleming
wrote:
It seems just in time, as interest in this game has clearly waned. The four way draw has passed. Italy has managed a survival.
End of game statements are welcome of course. I always enjoy reading them.
Well played all of you.
Cheers,
Warren
-----------------------------------
Ownership:
England: Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Liverpool, London,
Norway, Paris, Portugal, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Munich, Spain, Tunis, Venice.
Italy: Naples, Rome.
Russia: Berlin, Edinburgh, Moscow, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece,
Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Trieste, Vienna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 10 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
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| DC 463, Spring 1908 Correction - alwayshunted (Mar 30, 2014, 6:20 pm) |
Hey folks,
Simon has pointed out to me that I made an error in the adjudication. Whoops. I had his fleet in North Sea supporting a move it should have been convoying, which means that there is now an English army in Denmark instead of Yorkshire.
I've attached new maps, sorry for the mix-up. Fall is still due on Friday barring any objections.
Warren
From: alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com
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Subject: DC 463, Spring 1908
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 19:03:14 -0600
Hi gang,
Here is the spring turn.
First of all, there has been a 4 way draw proposed. Turkey-England-Russia-France. Please vote on this with your FALL orders.
Second, we needed one retreat following spring, for the Russian army in Warsaw. It had one option, Livonia, so I took the liberty of retreating it. If OTB is preferred, please let me know.
We are now on to Fall 1908, due in one week, Friday April 4, 18:00 MDT.
Maps attached, have fun.
Warren
-------------------------
England:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Berlin - Prussia
F Denmark - Skagerrak
F English Channel Convoys A London - Belgium
A Holland - Ruhr (*Fails*)
F Kiel - Helgoland Bight
A London - Belgium
F North Sea Supports A Yorkshire - Denmark
A Paris Hold
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Yorkshire - Denmark (*Fails*)
France:
A Burgundy Supports A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean
A Munich - Silesia (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
F Spain(sc) Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean
A Venice, no move received
Italy:
F Apulia - Naples
F Rome Supports F Apulia - Naples
Russia:
F Barents Sea Hold
A Berlin - Prussia
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw (*Cut*)
A St Petersburg Supports A Moscow
A Warsaw Supports A Munich - Silesia (*Dislodged*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea - Constantinople
A Bohemia - Silesia (*Bounce*)
A Galicia Supports A Ukraine - Warsaw
F Greece - Ionian Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
A Rumania - Ukraine
A Sevastopol - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Ukraine - Warsaw
A Vienna - Tyrolia[Reply] |
| DC 463, Spring 1908 - alwayshunted (Mar 28, 2014, 8:03 pm) |
Hi gang,
Here is the spring turn.
First of all, there has been a 4 way draw proposed. Turkey-England-Russia-France. Please vote on this with your FALL orders.
Second, we needed one retreat following spring, for the Russian army in Warsaw. It had one option, Livonia, so I took the liberty of retreating it. If OTB is preferred, please let me know.
We are now on to Fall 1908, due in one week, Friday April 4, 18:00 MDT.
Maps attached, have fun.
Warren
-------------------------
England:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Berlin - Prussia
F Denmark - Skagerrak
F English Channel Convoys A London - Belgium
A Holland - Ruhr (*Fails*)
F Kiel - Helgoland Bight
A London - Belgium
F North Sea Supports A Yorkshire - Denmark
A Paris Hold
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Yorkshire - Denmark (*Fails*)
France:
A Burgundy Supports A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean
A Munich - Silesia (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
F Spain(sc) Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean
A Venice, no move received
Italy:
F Apulia - Naples
F Rome Supports F Apulia - Naples
Russia:
F Barents Sea Hold
A Berlin - Prussia
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw (*Cut*)
A St Petersburg Supports A Moscow
A Warsaw Supports A Munich - Silesia (*Dislodged*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea - Constantinople
A Bohemia - Silesia (*Bounce*)
A Galicia Supports A Ukraine - Warsaw
F Greece - Ionian Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
A Rumania - Ukraine
A Sevastopol - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Ukraine - Warsaw
A Vienna - Tyrolia[Reply] |
| DC 463, Winter 1907 - alwayshunted (Mar 22, 2014, 10:59 am) |
Thanks to some help from people smarter than me, I can start sending Realpolitik files again. Here is the Winter 07 turn. I mistakenly said England was building two, however as Simon pointed out to me, he only builds one.
Let's make Spring due next Friday, March 28, at 18:00 Mountain.
Warren
------------------------------
England:
Build A London
Russia:
Build A Moscow
------------------------------[Reply] |
| DC 463, Autumn 1907 results - Slangers (Mar 20, 2014, 2:30 am) |
Warren
That should be England builds one not two. I have 9 units in play.
Simon
Simon Langley-EvansProfessor of Human NutritionDeputy Head of School of BiosciencesUniversity of Nottingham
On Mar 20, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Warren Fleming wrote:
Hi gang,
So I got an order from Russia, and Baltic Sea goes Off the Board.
You don't get maps this turn, and I'm giving you a build/disband list that I'm editing manually. It's a bit of a story, but the "edit map" function in Realpolitik is limited. I will, hopefully, have a fully restored RP file for the spring turn. I still don't know what happened to the original file, but I can't open either the spring or fall turns since I closed them. Fortunately for me I created bitmap images of them before I closed them.
So, the .gif I sent last is the current map, with the exception that the Russian fleet in Baltic is now gone. I've attached it again.
Winter due Friday, 18:00 MDT.
Here is the build/disband list. Please check it to make sure I've got it right, and let me know if you see any problems.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 8 Build 2
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
Cheers,
Warren
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Autumn 1907 results - alwayshunted (Mar 19, 2014, 7:08 pm) |
Hi gang,
So I got an order from Russia, and Baltic Sea goes Off the Board.
You don't get maps this turn, and I'm giving you a build/disband list that I'm editing manually. It's a bit of a story, but the "edit map" function in Realpolitik is limited. I will, hopefully, have a fully restored RP file for the spring turn. I still don't know what happened to the original file, but I can't open either the spring or fall turns since I closed them. Fortunately for me I created bitmap images of them before I closed them.
So, the .gif I sent last is the current map, with the exception that the Russian fleet in Baltic is now gone. I've attached it again.
Winter due Friday, 18:00 MDT.
Here is the build/disband list. Please check it to make sure I've got it right, and let me know if you see any problems.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 8 Build 2
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
Cheers,
Warren
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Autumn 1907 results (dc463) Slangers Mar 20, 02:30 am |
Warren
That should be England builds one not two. I have 9 units in play.
Simon
Simon Langley-EvansProfessor of Human NutritionDeputy Head of School of BiosciencesUniversity of Nottingham
On Mar 20, 2014, at 12:08 AM, Warren Fleming wrote:
Hi gang,
So I got an order from Russia, and Baltic Sea goes Off the Board.
You don't get maps this turn, and I'm giving you a build/disband list that I'm editing manually. It's a bit of a story, but the "edit map" function in Realpolitik is limited. I will, hopefully, have a fully restored RP file for the spring turn. I still don't know what happened to the original file, but I can't open either the spring or fall turns since I closed them. Fortunately for me I created bitmap images of them before I closed them.
So, the .gif I sent last is the current map, with the exception that the Russian fleet in Baltic is now gone. I've attached it again.
Winter due Friday, 18:00 MDT.
Here is the build/disband list. Please check it to make sure I've got it right, and let me know if you see any problems.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 10 Unit 8 Build 2
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Turkey: Supp 11 Unit 11 Build 0
Cheers,
Warren
|
| DC 463, Fall 1907 - alwayshunted (Mar 17, 2014, 6:57 pm) |
This is the adjudication I did on the weekend. I've attached the .gif map, but the RP file still is not working.
Invalid variant name? Has anyone ever seen this before? I will get it working soon, and send it on when I do.
I've had a request to delay a couple of days because someone is travelling. Retreat will be run as soon as I get it, but it won't be due until Thursday.
W
----------------------------------------------
Okay,
One retreat needed from Russia:
Russian F Baltic Sea can retreat to Livonia or Prussia or Gulf
of Bothnia or OTB.
Let's make that due on Tuesday, but I can run it sooner if I get it. On and off all weekend.
People are travelling so Winter will be probably Wednesday or Thursday depending on when the retreat gets run.
Maps attached. I had trouble with the RP file from spring so had to re-do the adjudication. Hope this one works.
Warren
-----------------------------
England:
F English Channel Supports F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Holland Supports A Yorkshire - Belgium
F Kiel Supports F Sweden - Baltic Sea
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Belgium
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak - Denmark
F Sweden - Baltic Sea
A Yorkshire - Belgium (*Bounce*)
France:
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Bounce*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal (*Fails*)
A Munich Supports F Baltic Sea - Kiel (*Void*)
A Ruhr Supports A Burgundy - Belgium
F Spain(sc) Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Venice Hold
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea - Apulia
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Rome
Russia:
F Baltic Sea - Berlin (*Dislodged*)
F Barents Sea Hold
A Berlin - Munich (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A St Petersburg - Moscow
Turkey:
F Black Sea Hold
A Budapest - Vienna
A Bulgaria - Rumania
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea
F Greece Supports F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rumania - Galicia
A Sevastopol - Moscow (*Bounce*)
A Trieste - Venice (*Fails*)
A Ukraine Supports A Sevastopol - Moscow
A Vienna - Bohemia[Reply] |
| DC 463, Spring 1907 - alwayshunted (Mar 17, 2014, 9:51 am) |
Hi gang,
So I actually did find some time this weekend to run the turn. Much to my chagrin, the RP file was corrupt somehow. I have never had this happen before, but I went back to the one form two turns ago and re-ran the last turn. It opened no problem, I entered all the moves from last turn, saved it again.....and the RP file was AGAIN corrupt. It says something about a "bad extension". I have no explanation for this..... anyone? Maybe it doesn't like one of your strategies.....
Regardless, I will have to re-create the RP file and I just didn't have the time. Maybe tonight though.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Spring 1907
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 13:44:17 -0700
Hi gang,
Spring 1907, the draw proposal fails.
No retreats necessary, so on to Fall.
Let's make it due in one week, on Wednesday March 12, 18:00 MDT. Note the time change this weekend.
Maps are attached. Have fun.
Warren
The turn:
----------------------------
England:
F Denmark - Kiel
A Holland Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - English Channel
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Sweden Hold
France:
A Munich - Burgundy
A Ruhr Supports A Munich - Burgundy
F Spain(sc) Supports F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Tyrolia - Munich
A Venice Hold
F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy:
F Albania - Adriatic Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Barents Sea Supports A Finland - St Petersburg
A Berlin Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Finland - St Petersburg
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Budapest - Galicia (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Greece Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Serbia - Rumania
A Trieste Hold
A Vienna Supports A Trieste
----------------------------
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Spring 1907 - alwayshunted (Mar 14, 2014, 7:15 pm) |
Sorry folks, I've been swamped at work and also trying to run a winter blitz game. I will get to this either late tonight or sometime tomorrow.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Spring 1907
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 13:44:17 -0700
Hi gang,
Spring 1907, the draw proposal fails.
No retreats necessary, so on to Fall.
Let's make it due in one week, on Wednesday March 12, 18:00 MDT. Note the time change this weekend.
Maps are attached. Have fun.
Warren
The turn:
----------------------------
England:
F Denmark - Kiel
A Holland Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - English Channel
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Sweden Hold
France:
A Munich - Burgundy
A Ruhr Supports A Munich - Burgundy
F Spain(sc) Supports F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Tyrolia - Munich
A Venice Hold
F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy:
F Albania - Adriatic Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Barents Sea Supports A Finland - St Petersburg
A Berlin Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Finland - St Petersburg
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Budapest - Galicia (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Greece Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Serbia - Rumania
A Trieste Hold
A Vienna Supports A Trieste
----------------------------
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Spring 1907 - alwayshunted (Mar 05, 2014, 2:44 pm) |
Hi gang,
Spring 1907, the draw proposal fails.
No retreats necessary, so on to Fall.
Let's make it due in one week, on Wednesday March 12, 18:00 MDT. Note the time change this weekend.
Maps are attached. Have fun.
Warren
The turn:
----------------------------
England:
F Denmark - Kiel
A Holland Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - English Channel
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Sweden Hold
France:
A Munich - Burgundy
A Ruhr Supports A Munich - Burgundy
F Spain(sc) Supports F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Tyrolia - Munich
A Venice Hold
F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy:
F Albania - Adriatic Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Barents Sea Supports A Finland - St Petersburg
A Berlin Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Finland - St Petersburg
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Budapest - Galicia (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Greece Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Serbia - Rumania
A Trieste Hold
A Vienna Supports A Trieste
----------------------------
[Reply] |
| DC 463, Spring 1907 (dc463) alwayshunted Mar 14, 07:15 pm |
Sorry folks, I've been swamped at work and also trying to run a winter blitz game. I will get to this either late tonight or sometime tomorrow.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Spring 1907
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 13:44:17 -0700
Hi gang,
Spring 1907, the draw proposal fails.
No retreats necessary, so on to Fall.
Let's make it due in one week, on Wednesday March 12, 18:00 MDT. Note the time change this weekend.
Maps are attached. Have fun.
Warren
The turn:
----------------------------
England:
F Denmark - Kiel
A Holland Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - English Channel
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Sweden Hold
France:
A Munich - Burgundy
A Ruhr Supports A Munich - Burgundy
F Spain(sc) Supports F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Tyrolia - Munich
A Venice Hold
F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy:
F Albania - Adriatic Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Barents Sea Supports A Finland - St Petersburg
A Berlin Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Finland - St Petersburg
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Budapest - Galicia (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Greece Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Serbia - Rumania
A Trieste Hold
A Vienna Supports A Trieste
----------------------------
|
| DC 463, Spring 1907 (dc463) alwayshunted Mar 17, 09:51 am |
Hi gang,
So I actually did find some time this weekend to run the turn. Much to my chagrin, the RP file was corrupt somehow. I have never had this happen before, but I went back to the one form two turns ago and re-ran the last turn. It opened no problem, I entered all the moves from last turn, saved it again.....and the RP file was AGAIN corrupt. It says something about a "bad extension". I have no explanation for this..... anyone? Maybe it doesn't like one of your strategies.....
Regardless, I will have to re-create the RP file and I just didn't have the time. Maybe tonight though.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Spring 1907
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 13:44:17 -0700
Hi gang,
Spring 1907, the draw proposal fails.
No retreats necessary, so on to Fall.
Let's make it due in one week, on Wednesday March 12, 18:00 MDT. Note the time change this weekend.
Maps are attached. Have fun.
Warren
The turn:
----------------------------
England:
F Denmark - Kiel
A Holland Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
F London - English Channel
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Sweden Hold
France:
A Munich - Burgundy
A Ruhr Supports A Munich - Burgundy
F Spain(sc) Supports F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Tyrolia - Munich
A Venice Hold
F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Italy:
F Albania - Adriatic Sea
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
Russia:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F Barents Sea Supports A Finland - St Petersburg
A Berlin Supports F Denmark - Kiel
A Finland - St Petersburg
A Warsaw - Galicia (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Budapest - Galicia (*Bounce*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Galicia - Ukraine
F Greece Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Serbia - Rumania
A Trieste Hold
A Vienna Supports A Trieste
----------------------------
|
| DC 463, Winter 1906 for Mike, and... GAME ON. - alwayshunted (Feb 24, 2014, 7:26 pm) |
Okay group, here's the deal. There has been a draw officially proposed in this game, a four way actually, although no-one has actually stated the four countries?? Or did I miss that? Regardless, I could figure it out, but that's not my job.
As of now the game carries on, however since there has been a draw proposed please vote on that with your SPRING 1907 orders. I'm guessing that Italy is the one not included? Let's make those due in one week, on Monday March 3rd, at 18:00 MST. I'd make it quicker but I'm actually in the "field" for work from Thursday onward, so Monday works well for me too.
Does this work for everyone? Let me know if you have any issues with it.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Winter 1906
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:50:22 -0700
Hi gang,
Here is the winter turn, no order received from Russia, so RP disbanded the fleet in Edinburgh as a default.
Maps are attached. Spring 1907 will be due in one week, Friday Feb 21, 18:00 MST.
Warren
Adjustments
-------------------------
England:
Build A Liverpool
Build F London
France:
Remove F Tunis
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove A Ukraine
Russia:
Defaults, removing F Edinburgh
Turkey:
Build A Constantinople
Build A Ankara[Reply] |
| DC 463, Update - offdisc (Feb 24, 2014, 11:44 am) |
Hi All,Glad to join you, and help bring this game to its end.I will start making contact later tonight, or earlier if you contact me first --- I have the same issue as Warren: no work access to the dip site.
Thanks,Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Warren Fleming wrote:
Hi Group,
Mike Hoffman has kindly agreed to take over the Russian position. I will send maps and stuff later this evening and propose a new deadline for the upcoming turn. Until then, feel free to start communication and plotting, but note (MIke) that you will have to get the players names and countries from the DC site until I get home. My work won't even allow me to go to DC.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Update
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:17:23 -0700
Hi gang,
So, some developments. Archer has had to drop out, but considering the circumstances I am going to seek a replacement player. There has been a draw, sort of proposed, but not officially if you will. If I get five e-mails from five players, including Archer at this point, to end the game with a four way draw, then that is what will happen. Otherwise the game goes on.
The game is currently on hold until a replacement is found. I'll put out the call to the Light Brigade.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Winter 1906
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:50:22 -0700
Hi gang,
Here is the winter turn, no order received from Russia, so RP disbanded the fleet in Edinburgh as a default.
Maps are attached. Spring 1907 will be due in one week, Friday Feb 21, 18:00 MST.
Warren
Adjustments
-------------------------
England:
Build A Liverpool
Build F London
France:
Remove F Tunis
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove A Ukraine
Russia:
Defaults, removing F Edinburgh
Turkey:
Build A Constantinople
Build A Ankara[Reply] |
| DC 463, Update - Slangers (Feb 24, 2014, 11:39 am) |
Welcome to the game Mike. Looking forward to some great negotiations with you as you join the Stop-Turkey Coalition!
Best wishesSimon
On 24 Feb 2014, at 16:42, Warren Fleming wrote:
Hi Group,
Mike Hoffman has kindly agreed to take over the Russian position. I will send maps and stuff later this evening and propose a new deadline for the upcoming turn. Until then, feel free to start communication and plotting, but note (MIke) that you will have to get the players names and countries from the DC site until I get home. My work won't even allow me to go to DC.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Update
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:17:23 -0700
Hi gang,
So, some developments. Archer has had to drop out, but considering the circumstances I am going to seek a replacement player. There has been a draw, sort of proposed, but not officially if you will. If I get five e-mails from five players, including Archer at this point, to end the game with a four way draw, then that is what will happen. Otherwise the game goes on.
The game is currently on hold until a replacement is found. I'll put out the call to the Light Brigade.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Winter 1906
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:50:22 -0700
Hi gang,
Here is the winter turn, no order received from Russia, so RP disbanded the fleet in Edinburgh as a default.
Maps are attached. Spring 1907 will be due in one week, Friday Feb 21, 18:00 MST.
Warren
Adjustments
-------------------------
England:
Build A Liverpool
Build F London
France:
Remove F Tunis
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove A Ukraine
Russia:
Defaults, removing F Edinburgh
Turkey:
Build A Constantinople
Build A Ankara[Reply] |
| DC 463, Update - alwayshunted (Feb 24, 2014, 10:42 am) |
Hi Group,
Mike Hoffman has kindly agreed to take over the Russian position. I will send maps and stuff later this evening and propose a new deadline for the upcoming turn. Until then, feel free to start communication and plotting, but note (MIke) that you will have to get the players names and countries from the DC site until I get home. My work won't even allow me to go to DC.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Update
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2014 19:17:23 -0700
Hi gang,
So, some developments. Archer has had to drop out, but considering the circumstances I am going to seek a replacement player. There has been a draw, sort of proposed, but not officially if you will. If I get five e-mails from five players, including Archer at this point, to end the game with a four way draw, then that is what will happen. Otherwise the game goes on.
The game is currently on hold until a replacement is found. I'll put out the call to the Light Brigade.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Winter 1906
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:50:22 -0700
Hi gang,
Here is the winter turn, no order received from Russia, so RP disbanded the fleet in Edinburgh as a default.
Maps are attached. Spring 1907 will be due in one week, Friday Feb 21, 18:00 MST.
Warren
Adjustments
-------------------------
England:
Build A Liverpool
Build F London
France:
Remove F Tunis
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove A Ukraine
Russia:
Defaults, removing F Edinburgh
Turkey:
Build A Constantinople
Build A Ankara[Reply] |
| DC 463, Update - Slangers (Feb 24, 2014, 7:54 am) |
That's a shame as I think you are doing Archer a disservice. If we are playing on then I think Alfred (and Jake's) stated position that they are going to help you win needs to be reconsidered as this will be unfair on the replacement who steps in.
Simon
On 24 Feb 2014, at 11:04, Lucas Mayer wrote:
Hi,
I think the game is not finished yet. Why should we stop it? Let`s play. There is something to proove especially for you, Simon.
Cheers
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 24. Februar 2014 um 10:25 Uhr
Von: "Simon Langley-Evans"
An: "Archer.L.Smith(at)gmail.com"
Cc: "NICOL, Alfred (AMN)" , "Warren Fleming" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "jakewalters27(at)gmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Update
Lucas? What do you say? Everyone else is willing to accept the DIAS result.
Simon
On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:36, "Archer.L.Smith(at)gmail.com" wrote:
I will support a draw if you guys feel like that's an acceptable resolution.
Archer
-----Original message-----
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Sent: Sat, Feb 22, 2014 04:27:19 EST
Subject: RE: DC 463, Update
I propose a four way draw, please archer can you support this.
Alfred
From: Warren Fleming [mailto:alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 February 2014 02:17
To: NICOL, Alfred (AMN); Archer.L.Smith(at)gmail.com; jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch; jason4747(at)hotmail.com; jakewalters27(at)gmail.com; lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de; slangers(at)me.com; dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Warren Fleming
Subject: DC 463, Update
Hi gang,
So, some developments. Archer has had to drop out, but considering the circumstances I am going to seek a replacement player. There has been a draw, sort of proposed, but not officially if you will. If I get five e-mails from five players, including Archer at this point, to end the game with a four way draw, then that is what will happen. Otherwise the game goes on.
The game is currently on hold until a replacement is found. I'll put out the call to the Light Brigade.
Warren
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Subject: DC 463, Winter 1906
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:50:22 -0700
Hi gang,
Here is the winter turn, no order received from Russia, so RP disbanded the fleet in Edinburgh as a default.
Maps are attached. Spring 1907 will be due in one week, Friday Feb 21, 18:00 MST.
Warren
Adjustments
-------------------------
England:
Build A Liverpool
Build F London
France:
Remove F Tunis
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove A Ukraine
Russia:
Defaults, removing F Edinburgh
Turkey:
Build A Constantinople
Build A Ankara
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| Aw: DC 463, Update - ProfessorMoriarty (Feb 24, 2014, 5:04 am) |
Hi,
I think the game is not finished yet. Why should we stop it? Let`s play. There is something to proove especially for you, Simon.
Cheers
Lucas
Gesendet: Montag, 24. Februar 2014 um 10:25 Uhr
Von: "Simon Langley-Evans"
An: "Archer.L.Smith(at)gmail.com"
Cc: "NICOL, Alfred (AMN)" , "Warren Fleming" , "jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch" , "jason4747(at)hotmail.com" , "jakewalters27(at)gmail.com" , "lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de" , "dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com"
Betreff: Re: DC 463, Update
Lucas? What do you say? Everyone else is willing to accept the DIAS result.
Simon
On 24 Feb 2014, at 03:36, "Archer.L.Smith(at)gmail.com" wrote:
I will support a draw if you guys feel like that's an acceptable resolution.
Archer
-----Original message-----
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Subject: RE: DC 463, Update
I propose a four way draw, please archer can you support this.
Alfred
From: Warren Fleming [mailto:alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: 22 February 2014 02:17
To: NICOL, Alfred (AMN); Archer.L.Smith(at)gmail.com; jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch; jason4747(at)hotmail.com; jakewalters27(at)gmail.com; lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de; slangers(at)me.com; dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Warren Fleming
Subject: DC 463, Update
Hi gang,
So, some developments. Archer has had to drop out, but considering the circumstances I am going to seek a replacement player. There has been a draw, sort of proposed, but not officially if you will. If I get five e-mails from five players, including Archer at this point, to end the game with a four way draw, then that is what will happen. Otherwise the game goes on.
The game is currently on hold until a replacement is found. I'll put out the call to the Light Brigade.
Warren
From: alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com
To: amn(at)benenden.kent.sch.uk; archer.l.smith(at)gmail.com;jakobworldpeace(at)bluewin.ch; jason4747(at)hotmail.com; jakewalters27(at)gmail.com;lucasmayer1(at)gmx.de; slangers(at)me.com; dc463(at)diplomaticcorp.com;alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com
Subject: DC 463, Winter 1906
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2014 18:50:22 -0700
Hi gang,
Here is the winter turn, no order received from Russia, so RP disbanded the fleet in Edinburgh as a default.
Maps are attached. Spring 1907 will be due in one week, Friday Feb 21, 18:00 MST.
Warren
Adjustments
-------------------------
England:
Build A Liverpool
Build F London
France:
Remove F Tunis
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove A Ukraine
Russia:
Defaults, removing F Edinburgh
Turkey:
Build A Constantinople
Build A Ankara
Please consider the environment - do you really need to print this email?
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