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DC 128 Winter 07 Results - derekthefeared2 at yah...   (Mar 18, 2008, 6:29 am)
Sorry I was slow to send out results. Late night at work and then my internet was out. Here are the results for winter. Spring 08 Moves will be due Friday at 5:00 pm. Additionally A vote has been proposed to give England the solo win. Everyone must agree so please send that either with your orders or in advance. You can reply to the group or just send it to me. Everyone needs to vote yes for it to pass. Otherwise the game continues as normal with moves on Friday.

Austria:
Remove A Galicia
Remove A Bohemia
England:
Build A Edinburgh
Build A London
Germany:
Defaults, removing A Livonia



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DC 128 07 Fall Results - derekthefeared2 at yah...   (Mar 13, 2008, 10:25 pm)
Thanks to everyone for sending orders in on time. Winter Builds/Disbands will be due on Monday at 5:00 pm. Spring moves on Thursday unless any has an objection and thinks that is too soon. Thanks.


Austria: Supp 6 Unit 8 Remove 2
England: Supp 17 Unit 15 Build 2
France: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Germany: Supp 2 Unit 3 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 8 Unit 5 Build 0
Russia: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0






Austria:
A Albania, no move received
A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Galicia - Warsaw (*Fails*)
F Rome - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Disbanded*)
A Rumania - Ukraine
A Serbia - Budapest
A Tuscany Supports A Piedmont (*Ordered to Move*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Munich
A Vienna - Bohemia
England:
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
A Denmark Supports A Ruhr - Kiel
F English Channel Hold
F Gulf of Lyon Supports A Marseilles - Piedmont
A Holland Supports A Ruhr - Kiel
A Marseilles - Piedmont
A Moscow - St Petersburg (*Bounce*)
F North Africa Hold
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Norway
A Picardy - Belgium
A Ruhr - Kiel
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Naples - Rome
A Warsaw - Moscow (*Bounce*)
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea
A Yorkshire - Norway
Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Kiel
A Kiel Hold (*Disbanded*)
A Livonia - St Petersburg (*Bounce*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Cut*)
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Greece Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Naples - Rome
A Piedmont - Venice
Russia:
A Sevastopol - Moscow (*Bounce*)


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DC 128 Italian EOG - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
My perspective is a little different. Keep in mind this is my perspective and I don't expect others to agree with me, but thought I'd offer it up as a counterpoint.

The critical points for the game for me actually came much earlier than Alex is portraying...
1. Taking Sweden - Germany was instrumental in taking this. Probably the first move that gave me an edge over other local players because it promptly allowed me to move into St Petersburg as well.
2. Getting a fleet into the Mid Atlantic Ocean. This was a gamble because it was the first overt move I made against France. This was also probably the most important move of the game for me. I had to carefully threaten France just enough to make him think that I'd go for Brest without being so obvious that he'd realize that losing Brest would pale in importance to me taking the MAO. Brest was only one SC...MAO opened up 2 SC's while denying them to France. I was strongly allied to Germany at this point with the full intention of splitting France up...giving Germany Northern France and me taking Southern. I was able to expand but Germany was hit with both Austria and Italy crippling his ability to expand at the same rate that I was. Because of this it created an imbalance that led to the stab in 4.
3. Italy, Austria, France allied - at this point this alliance was a very serious concern to me. Austria was expanding and seriously threatening my ability to hold the east. Italy's Lepanto against Turkey was also greatly concerning me and I seriously thought we were in big trouble. Germany and I were scrambling to keep his eastern border secure and there was one point where there was a combination of moves that would have completely collapsed the flank and probably led to an Austria victory. Fortunately, Germany was able to retreat to a strong position and we were able to keep his east alive while we set up a way to retake Munich. Losing Munich was probably the defining move for Germany's future at this point
4. Germany retaking Munich - This was the move that opened up the north of Germany for me and led to the stab. I had been edging on wanting to take some of the northern German territories like Denmark, but he was well-fortified. Even if he did collapse the A/F/I was way too strong for me to lose my only ally. There were a few times where I submitted moves that would have stabbed Germany only to pull them out. Usually, I pulled back due to guilt. I felt horrible stabbing Germany when he'd been so helpful for most of the game. When Germany finally re-took Munich and moved his armies more than a move away from the northern territories I saw an opportunity to end the game quick. This was also right after Austria stabbed Italy by taking Naples. If Austria had not done this I probably would not have stabbed Germany. Even with the loss of France Italy and Austria could have done some serious damage to us. Forcing Italy's fleets to come east took the pressure off of me in the Med. and allowed me to get a good hold on Marseilles. Once I did that and pushed Germany out of France the game was pretty much over.

So, I agree that Austria's taking Naples pretty much handed the game to me. If he had not done that I would have handed Paris and Brest over to Germany, per our agreement, and we'd still be submitting turns. Before Naples there were a few times where Italy and France could have worked together to throw me out of the Med, but that never came to pass. There was some obvious dissension between Italy and France that worked to my benefit greatly. I still believe it was my ability to get into the Mid-Atlantic that won the game for me, and at the time the only player that could have prevented that was France.

Again, thanks to all for one of the best Diplomacy games I've played (I'm not saying that because I won). There were several turns where the tension was great. I found myself sitting at work playing out turns in my mind and drawing up several what-ifs. Games that occupy my imagination like that are rare and Diplomacy doesn't always do this either. There was an obvious game fatigue at the end, I think we were ready to move on a turn or two before it ended and that's pretty typical of the games I have played and hard to avoid. My final turn was a complete fizzle. I won, but it was a very sloppy win. I apologize for this...it was due to a power failure from a snow storm (at the end of March!). I ended up having to enter moves using a friend's Blackberry and trying to read the Diplomacy map at diplomaticcorp.com for positions. You guys deserved better than this. My apologies.

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From: Alexander Schmidt ([email]wecanworkthisout(at)yahoo.com[/email])
To: Derek eyler ([email]derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com[/email]) ; dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]) ; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]) ; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]) ; kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com ([email]kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com[/email]) ; Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net ([email]Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net[/email]) ; jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email]) ; djdutcher(at)visi.com ([email]djdutcher(at)visi.com[/email]) ; Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com ([email]Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com[/email]) ; mircione2001(at)yahoo.com ([email]mircione2001(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 2:30 PM
Subject: DC 128 Italian EOG


This was my first Diplomaticcorp game and it certainly was an odd one. In the very beginning of the game I was not able to devout as much time to it as I wanted to because of a dip tournament I was in at another site. So Austria and I had an early partnership and I decided to keep France in check the best I knew how. However, that turned out to be a mistake because of the German/English alliance it facilitated and in the end France got run over while I was just getting started in Turkey. I thought my relationship with Austria was good, but I felt that he was too panicked as the game continued. He seemed to feel the game slipping away from him and rather then taking what was given to him, he continued to struggle against the waves. I feel his biggest problem in this game was lack of imagination.

Anyway, as I was finally able to start paying attention to this game, France was eliminated and I had to devise a way to continue pushing into Turkey while turning to face England's advances into the Med. Austria had told me to turn my fleet around and abandon my Turkish position. I did not want to do this for several reasons. The position as I remember it came up during a fall turn and I knew that if I made the right move and gambled a little bit I would be able to take two turkish centers and establish myself permanently in that area while building two new fleets on my home front with which to combat England. This also allowed me to then bring my fleet out of Turkey and act as a reinforcement rather then as a weak front line. Austria was furious about this. I believe it was because he did not want the units protecting Turkey, I believe he wanted the centers, and he wrote me a long mail about me making foolish moves instead of taking the "safe" strategy (again, a lack of imagination). I still think this was a diplomatic ploy because I remember thinking how logical and intuitive my moves were at the time and, low and behold, my moves were a success. It was culiminated, I thought, by allowing the Austrian fleet into Ionion, which would have totally plugged up the med and, had Austria decided to go with my suggestions as I had in the early game with his, I know we would have at least been able to put up a very valiant fight.

But this is where the game turned for me. Austria instead moved Ionion - Naples, which I considered but then rejected because of how selfish and pointless a one center stab looked on paper. But he not only did it, but then sent me an email explaining that he'd return Naples once I complied with his demands. That's right - he was holding Naples hostage for me making a brilliant and effective order simply because it was not his suggested set. This, obviously, infuriated me and, obviously (but not to him) had me turning strongly against him and the rest from that point is history. It is niether effective nor diplomatic to try and win your demands by force, instead it just creates more force and I hope that the Austrian player now understands why the name of this game is "Diplomacy". Quiet frankly the best diplomat deserves to win and immediately after Austria made his Naples demands, England tapped me on the shoulder and made suggested moves that had me not worrying about the English invading force, had me placing "2nd" (although there is only 1 winner) and had me winning my position against Austria. Austria's play was nicely summed up in his last year NMR.

Moral of the story: You will not win this game if you set out only with aims of self glorification. It takes persistence, communion with your gamers, honor and integrity. England had it. Austria did not and in the end I decided to play Austria's game instead of my own and so I could even say I didn't have it.

I do feel responsible for the English position from early on. But Austria is the reason Austria lost.

Hope to meet you all again
Alexander


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DC 128 06 Autumn Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Builds/Disbands are due on Monday at 5:00.

Austria retreat to Vie
Germany retreat to Pru
Italy retreat OTB

Austria: Supp 9 Unit 9 Build 0
England: Supp 15 Unit 12 Build 3
France: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Germany: Supp 4 Unit 6 Remove 2
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Russia: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0



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DC 128 06 Fall Retreats Due - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Just a reminder that retreats are due today. Any retreats not received will be considered OTB. (off the board)




Derek eyler <derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

Sorry results are late.

Retreats due tomorrow. Builds due on Monday
Italty Tri can retreat to Alb or OTB
Germany Warsaw can retreat to Gal, Pru, Lvn, or OTB
Austria Boh can retreat to Vie, Gal, or OTB

Builds/Disbands
England Build 3
Italy Disband 1, 0 if OTB
Germany Disband 2, 1 if OTB
Austria Build 0, 1 if OTB
Russia No change



Austria:
A Bohemia - Silesia (*Dislodged*)
A Bulgaria - Greece (*Fails*)
A Galicia - Budapest
F Rome Hold
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol
A Serbia Supports A Vienna - Trieste
A Tyrolia Supports A Venice
A Venice Supports F Rome (*Cut*)
A Vienna - Trieste
England:
A Brest - Paris
F English Channel Convoys A London - Belgium
A Gascony Supports A Brest - Paris
F Gulf of Lyon Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean (*Fails*)
A London - Belgium
F Marseilles Supports F Gulf of Lyon
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean (*Fails*)
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine - Warsaw
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Holland
A Ukraine - Warsaw
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis (*Bounce*)
A Yorkshire - Holland
Germany:
A Berlin - Silesia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Silesia - Bohemia
A Warsaw Supports A Ukraine - Galicia (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Trieste Supports A Tuscany - Venice (*Dislodged*)
A Tuscany - Venice (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis (*Bounce*)
Russia:
A Sevastopol, Hold

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DC 128 06 Fall Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Sorry results are late.

Retreats due tomorrow. Builds due on Monday
Italty Tri can retreat to Alb or OTB
Germany Warsaw can retreat to Gal, Pru, Lvn, or OTB
Austria Boh can retreat to Vie, Gal, or OTB

Builds/Disbands
England Build 3
Italy Disband 1, 0 if OTB
Germany Disband 2, 1 if OTB
Austria Build 0, 1 if OTB
Russia No change



Austria:
A Bohemia - Silesia (*Dislodged*)
A Bulgaria - Greece (*Fails*)
A Galicia - Budapest
F Rome Hold
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol
A Serbia Supports A Vienna - Trieste
A Tyrolia Supports A Venice
A Venice Supports F Rome (*Cut*)
A Vienna - Trieste
England:
A Brest - Paris
F English Channel Convoys A London - Belgium
A Gascony Supports A Brest - Paris
F Gulf of Lyon Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean (*Fails*)
A London - Belgium
F Marseilles Supports F Gulf of Lyon
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean (*Fails*)
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine - Warsaw
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Holland
A Ukraine - Warsaw
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis (*Bounce*)
A Yorkshire - Holland
Germany:
A Berlin - Silesia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Silesia - Bohemia
A Warsaw Supports A Ukraine - Galicia (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Trieste Supports A Tuscany - Venice (*Dislodged*)
A Tuscany - Venice (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Tunis (*Bounce*)
Russia:
A Sevastopol, Hold


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DC 128 Fall 06 43 hour warning - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Fall 06 orders are due on Tuesday at 5:00 pm Us-Eastern time. Attached in an updated map with Austria and Italy's retreats to Boh and Tri respectively. If I have not responded to your orders I have not recieved them.




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DC 128 Spring 06 Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Thanks to everyone for getting their orders in on time.
Mun can retreat to Boh or OTB. Austria let me know if you would like to OTB, otherwise I will assume you retreat to Boh.
Fall 06 will be due next Tuesday at 5:00pm


Austria:
A Bohemia - Tyrolia
A Budapest - Serbia
A Bulgaria - Constantinople (*Bounce*)
A Galicia Supports A Ukraine - Warsaw (*Void*)
A Munich Supports A Bohemia - Tyrolia (*Dislodged*)
F Naples - Rome
A Rumania Supports A Sevastopol
A Trieste - Venice
A Vienna Supports A Bohemia - Tyrolia
England:
F Edinburgh - North Sea
F English Channel Hold
A Gascony Hold
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
A London Hold
F Marseilles Supports F Spain(sc) - Gulf of Lyon
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F Western Mediterranean
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine - Sevastopol
A Paris - Brest
F Spain(sc) - Gulf of Lyon
A Ukraine - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Spain(sc) - Gulf of Lyon
Germany:
A Belgium - Ruhr
A Berlin Supports A Kiel - Munich
A Burgundy Supports A Kiel - Munich
A Kiel - Munich
A Silesia Supports A Kiel - Munich
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia
Italy:
A Ankara - Constantinople (*Bounce*)
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
A Piedmont - Tuscany
F Tunis - Ionian Sea
A Tyrolia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Tunis - Ionian Sea
Russia:
A Sevastopol, no move received


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DC 128 Spring 06 26 Hour warning - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Moves for Spring 06 are due tomorrow at 5:00 pm. I haven't replied to your orders I do not have them.

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DC 128 - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Hey Dem, thanks for hanging in there till the end, hope to see you in the next one!

Kurt

----- Original Message -----
From: demian young ([email]demjyoung(at)yahoo.com[/email])
To: Derek eyler ([email]derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com[/email]) ; dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]) ; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]) ; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]) ; kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com ([email]kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com[/email]) ; Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net ([email]Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net[/email]) ; wecanworkthisout(at)yahoo.com ([email]wecanworkthisout(at)yahoo.com[/email]) ; jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email]) ; djdutcher(at)visi.com ([email]djdutcher(at)visi.com[/email]) ; Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com ([email]Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com[/email]) ; mircione2001(at)yahoo.com ([email]mircione2001(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:47 AM
Subject: DC 128


Thanks for the game guys!

Good luck!

Derek - can you remove me from the game e-mail list? - thx

D.


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From: Derek eyler <derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com ([email]derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); demjyoung(at)yahoo.com ([email]demjyoung(at)yahoo.com[/email]); kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com ([email]kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net ([email]Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net[/email]); wecanworkthisout(at)yahoo.com ([email]wecanworkthisout(at)yahoo.com[/email]); jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email]); djdutcher(at)visi.com ([email]djdutcher(at)visi.com[/email]); Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com ([email]Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com[/email]); mircione2001(at)yahoo.com ([email]mircione2001(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:35:35 PM
Subject: DC 128 Winter 05 Results

Moves for Spring 06 will be due Next Tuesday at 5:00 pm. The vote for a DIAS (draw with all remaining players having an equal share of victory failed)

Austria:
Build A Budapest
England:
Build F Edinburgh
Build A Liverpool
Build A London
France:
Remove A Picardy
Turkey:
Remove F Black Sea



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DC 128 - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Thanks for the game guys!

Good luck!

Derek - can you remove me from the game e-mail list? - thx

D.


----- Original Message ----
From: Derek eyler <derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; demjyoung(at)yahoo.com; kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com; Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net; wecanworkthisout(at)yahoo.com; jrobfoster(at)gmail.com; djdutcher(at)visi.com; Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com; mircione2001(at)yahoo.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 8:35:35 PM
Subject: DC 128 Winter 05 Results

Moves for Spring 06 will be due Next Tuesday at 5:00 pm. The vote for a DIAS (draw with all remaining players having an equal share of victory failed)

Austria:
Build A Budapest
England:
Build F Edinburgh
Build A Liverpool
Build A London
France:
Remove A Picardy
Turkey:
Remove F Black Sea



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DC 128 Winter 05 Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Moves for Spring 06 will be due Next Tuesday at 5:00 pm. The vote for a DIAS (draw with all remaining players having an equal share of victory failed)

Austria:
Build A Budapest
England:
Build F Edinburgh
Build A Liverpool
Build A London
France:
Remove A Picardy
Turkey:
Remove F Black Sea



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DC 128 06 Winter Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Moves for Spring 07 are due this Friday at 5:00 pm Us-Eastern time.

England:
Build A London
Build A Edinburgh
Build A Liverpool
Germany:
Remove A Burgundy
Remove A Bohemia


Austria: Supp 9 Unit 9 Build 0
England: Supp 15 Unit 15 Build 0
France: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Germany: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Russia: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0


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DC 128 07 Spring 07 Moves 30 hour warning - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Moves for Dc 128 Spring 07 are due tomorrow Friday at 5:00 Pm US-Eastern Time.

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DC 128 Italian EOG - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
This was my first Diplomaticcorp game and it certainly was an odd one. In the very beginning of the game I was not able to devout as much time to it as I wanted to because of a dip tournament I was in at another site. So Austria and I had an early partnership and I decided to keep France in check the best I knew how. However, that turned out to be a mistake because of the German/English alliance it facilitated and in the end France got run over while I was just getting started in Turkey. I thought my relationship with Austria was good, but I felt that he was too panicked as the game continued. He seemed to feel the game slipping away from him and rather then taking what was given to him, he continued to struggle against the waves. I feel his biggest problem in this game was lack of imagination.

Anyway, as I was finally able to start paying attention to this game, France was eliminated and I had to devise a way to continue pushing into Turkey while turning to face England's advances into the Med. Austria had told me to turn my fleet around and abandon my Turkish position. I did not want to do this for several reasons. The position as I remember it came up during a fall turn and I knew that if I made the right move and gambled a little bit I would be able to take two turkish centers and establish myself permanently in that area while building two new fleets on my home front with which to combat England. This also allowed me to then bring my fleet out of Turkey and act as a reinforcement rather then as a weak front line. Austria was furious about this. I believe it was because he did not want the units protecting Turkey, I believe he wanted the centers, and he wrote me a long mail about me making foolish moves instead of taking the "safe" strategy (again, a lack of imagination). I still think this was a diplomatic ploy because I remember thinking how logical and intuitive my moves were at the time and, low and behold, my moves were a success. It was culiminated, I thought, by allowing the Austrian fleet into Ionion, which would have totally plugged up the med and, had Austria decided to go with my suggestions as I had in the early game with his, I know we would have at least been able to put up a very valiant fight.

But this is where the game turned for me. Austria instead moved Ionion - Naples, which I considered but then rejected because of how selfish and pointless a one center stab looked on paper. But he not only did it, but then sent me an email explaining that he'd return Naples once I complied with his demands. That's right - he was holding Naples hostage for me making a brilliant and effective order simply because it was not his suggested set. This, obviously, infuriated me and, obviously (but not to him) had me turning strongly against him and the rest from that point is history. It is niether effective nor diplomatic to try and win your demands by force, instead it just creates more force and I hope that the Austrian player now understands why the name of this game is "Diplomacy". Quiet frankly the best diplomat deserves to win and immediately after Austria made his Naples demands, England tapped me on the shoulder and made suggested moves that had me not worrying about the English invading force, had me placing "2nd" (although there is only 1 winner) and had me winning my position against Austria. Austria's play was nicely summed up in his last year NMR.

Moral of the story: You will not win this game if you set out only with aims of self glorification. It takes persistence, communion with your gamers, honor and integrity. England had it. Austria did not and in the end I decided to play Austria's game instead of my own and so I could even say I didn't have it.

I do feel responsible for the English position from early on. But Austria is the reason Austria lost.

Hope to meet you all again
Alexander


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DC 128 Fall 08 Results Game End, Solo for England - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Yep..

Congratulations England for his solo victory!

I didn't sent my orders because the game was already lost so it was no use.
I suggested thatEngland should be declare solo winner at the end of the previous year.

All the best
Mircea

sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net wrote:

Thank you all for the great game! My sincerest apologies to Mr. Dutcher for the stab. I know it's part of the game, but you were a great ally and it's never an easy decision to pull such a dastardly move. Thanks Derek for running the game; my apologies for the confused last turn. My circumstances were pretty messed up. If y'all get a chance to enter your moves with a Blackberry I strongly suggest against it.

See you all in the next game!

Kurt

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From: Derek eyler <derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com>
A little bit of a shame to end the game without everyone submitting orders. I guess it wouldn't have changed the results. But here are the results. England wins at the end of 08 with 18 supply centers. Italy finishes with 9, Austria with 3, Germany with 2, and Russia remains in the game with a single supply center. Thanks to everyone for playing. I would enjoy hearing everyone's thoughts on the game. It was my first time running a game in Dc and we had some rough spots but I think over all it went very well and I enjoyed it. Congrats to England!


Austria:
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
A Trieste, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Tyrolia, no move received
A Ukraine, no move received (*Disbanded*)
England:
A Belgium - Ruhr (*Fails*)
A Burgundy Supports A Ruhr - Munich
A Denmark Supports A Kiel
A Edinburgh - Brest
F English Channel Convoys A Edinburgh - Brest
A Holland Hold
A Kiel Supports A Munich - Berlin (*Void*)
A Moscow - Ukraine
F North Sea Convoys A Edinburgh - Brest
A Piedmont Supports A Venice
A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg - Moscow
F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Tuscany, no move received
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Tuscany - Rome (*Void*)
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow - Ukraine
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Berlin (*Cut*)
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Albania - Trieste
F Albania - Trieste
A Bulgaria - Serbia (*Fails*)
F Rome - Naples
A Venice Supports F Albania - Trieste
Russia:
A Sevastopol, no move received

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From: Derek eyler <derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com>
To: Derek eyler <derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com>, dc128(at)diplomaticcorp.com, stevelytton(at)hotmail.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com, kevinleb94(at)hotmail.com, Sturmkraehe(at)comcast.net, wecanworkthisout(at)yahoo.com, jrobfoster(at)gmail.com, djdutcher(at)visi.com, Hank_Kingsley(at)hotmail.com, mircione2001(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC 128 Fall 08 Results Game End, Solo for England
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:16:50 +0000

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DC 128 Fall 08 Results Game End, Solo for England - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Thank you all for the great game! My sincerest apologies to Mr. Dutcher for the stab. I know it's part of the game, but you were a great ally and it's never an easy decision to pull such a dastardly move. Thanks Derek for running the game; my apologies for the confused last turn. My circumstances were pretty messed up. If y'all get a chance to enter your moves with a Blackberry I strongly suggest against it.

See you all in the next game!

Kurt

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From: Derek eyler <derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com>

A little bit of a shame to end the game without everyone submitting orders. I guess it wouldn't have changed the results. But here are the results. England wins at the end of 08 with 18 supply centers. Italy finishes with 9, Austria with 3, Germany with 2, and Russia remains in the game with a single supply center. Thanks to everyone for playing. I would enjoy hearing everyone's thoughts on the game. It was my first time running a game in Dc and we had some rough spots but I think over all it went very well and I enjoyed it. Congrats to England!


Austria:
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
A Trieste, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Tyrolia, no move received
A Ukraine, no move received (*Disbanded*)
England:
A Belgium - Ruhr (*Fails*)
A Burgundy Supports A Ruhr - Munich
A Denmark Supports A Kiel
A Edinburgh - Brest
F English Channel Convoys A Edinburgh - Brest
A Holland Hold
A Kiel Supports A Munich - Berlin (*Void*)
A Moscow - Ukraine
F North Sea Convoys A Edinburgh - Brest
A Piedmont Supports A Venice
A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg - Moscow
F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Tuscany, no move received
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Tuscany - Rome (*Void*)
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow - Ukraine
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Berlin (*Cut*)
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Albania - Trieste
F Albania - Trieste
A Bulgaria - Serbia (*Fails*)
F Rome - Naples
A Venice Supports F Albania - Trieste
Russia:
A Sevastopol, no move received



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DC 128 Fall 08 Results Game End, Solo for England - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
A little bit of a shame to end the game without everyone submitting orders. I guess it wouldn't have changed the results. But here are the results. England wins at the end of 08 with 18 supply centers. Italy finishes with 9, Austria with 3, Germany with 2, and Russia remains in the game with a single supply center. Thanks to everyone for playing. I would enjoy hearing everyone's thoughts on the game. It was my first time running a game in Dc and we had some rough spots but I think over all it went very well and I enjoyed it. Congrats to England!


Austria:
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
A Trieste, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Tyrolia, no move received
A Ukraine, no move received (*Disbanded*)
England:
A Belgium - Ruhr (*Fails*)
A Burgundy Supports A Ruhr - Munich
A Denmark Supports A Kiel
A Edinburgh - Brest
F English Channel Convoys A Edinburgh - Brest
A Holland Hold
A Kiel Supports A Munich - Berlin (*Void*)
A Moscow - Ukraine
F North Sea Convoys A Edinburgh - Brest
A Piedmont Supports A Venice
A Ruhr - Munich (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg - Moscow
F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Tuscany, no move received
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Tuscany - Rome (*Void*)
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow - Ukraine
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Berlin (*Cut*)
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Albania - Trieste
F Albania - Trieste
A Bulgaria - Serbia (*Fails*)
F Rome - Naples
A Venice Supports F Albania - Trieste
Russia:
A Sevastopol, no move received


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DC 128 Spring 08 Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Thanks again to everyone for sending in their orders. Vote Fails, No official solo for England yet. Fall moves will be due next Thursday at 5pm us-eastern time.



Austria:
A Albania - Serbia
A Budapest - Trieste
A Rumania Supports A Ukraine - Sevastopol (*Cut*)
A Tuscany - Venice (*Disbanded*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Tuscany - Venice
A Ukraine - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
England:
A Belgium - Ruhr
A Burgundy Supports A Kiel - Munich
A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Edinburgh, no move received
F English Channel Convoys A London - Belgium
F Gulf of Lyon - Tuscany
A Holland Supports A Denmark - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Kiel - Munich (*Fails*)
A London - Belgium
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw
F North Africa - Tunis
F North Sea - Denmark (*Fails*)
A Norway - St Petersburg
A Piedmont Supports A Venice
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Gulf of Lyon - Tuscany
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Tunis
Germany:
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Berlin (*Cut*)
Italy:
A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Fails*)
F Greece - Albania
F Ionian Sea - Adriatic Sea
F Rome, no move received
A Venice, no move received
Russia:
A Sevastopol Hold


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DC 128 Spring 08 44 Hour warning - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Spring 08 Moves are Due Friday at 5:00pm

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DC 128 07 Fall Moves 26 Hour warning - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Fall moves are due tomorrow, Thursday at 5:00 pm us-eastern time. I believe I have orders from everyone but if you want to update them you have until tomorrow at 5:00. Thanks.

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DC 128 07 Spring 07 Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Italy retreats A Tus - Pied and F Tys - Nap

Alexander

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Sent: Saturday, March 8, 2008 8:15:50 AM
Subject: DC 128 07 Spring 07 Results

Thanks to everyone for sending their orders in on time. Retreats are due on Monday at 5:00 pm. Please send earlier if you can.
Fall Moves will be due next Thursday at 5:00. If everyone submits moves marked final before then. I can send out early.
Italy Tys can retreat to Tun, Ion, Nap or OTB. Tus can retreat to Pie or OTB.


Austria:
A Budapest - Galicia
A Bulgaria, no move received
F Rome Supports A Venice - Tuscany
A Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Serbia Supports A Bulgaria
A Trieste - Albania
A Tyrolia - Munich (*Fails*)
A Venice - Tuscany
A Vienna Supports A Budapest - Galicia
England:
A Belgium - Ruhr
A Edinburgh - Denmark
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Holland Supports A Belgium - Ruhr
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
A London - Picardy
F Marseilles - Gulf of Lyon
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - North Africa
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw
F North Sea Convoys A Edinburgh - Denmark
A Paris - Burgundy
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
Germany:
A Munich Supports A Ruhr - Kiel (*Cut*)
A Prussia - Livonia
A Ruhr - Kiel
A Silesia - Berlin
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Greece
A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
F Greece Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Tuscany - Rome (*Dislodged*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports A Tuscany - Rome (*Dislodged*)
Russia:
A Sevastopol Hold


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DC 128 07 Spring 07 Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Thanks to everyone for sending their orders in on time. Retreats are due on Monday at 5:00 pm. Please send earlier if you can.
Fall Moves will be due next Thursday at 5:00. If everyone submits moves marked final before then. I can send out early.
Italy Tys can retreat to Tun, Ion, Nap or OTB. Tus can retreat to Pie or OTB.


Austria:
A Budapest - Galicia
A Bulgaria, no move received
F Rome Supports A Venice - Tuscany
A Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Serbia Supports A Bulgaria
A Trieste - Albania
A Tyrolia - Munich (*Fails*)
A Venice - Tuscany
A Vienna Supports A Budapest - Galicia
England:
A Belgium - Ruhr
A Edinburgh - Denmark
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Holland Supports A Belgium - Ruhr
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
A London - Picardy
F Marseilles - Gulf of Lyon
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - North Africa
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw
F North Sea Convoys A Edinburgh - Denmark
A Paris - Burgundy
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
Germany:
A Munich Supports A Ruhr - Kiel (*Cut*)
A Prussia - Livonia
A Ruhr - Kiel
A Silesia - Berlin
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Greece
A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
F Greece Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Tuscany - Rome (*Dislodged*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports A Tuscany - Rome (*Dislodged*)
Russia:
A Sevastopol Hold


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DC 128 Fall 05 Results - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
Thanks to everyone for being timely again. We lost our first players this round. I would like to thank Turkey and France for playing, especially France who stuck it out until the end.
Winter builds/disbands will be due on tuesday at 5:00 pm There has also been a DIAS proposed. Please vote yes or no with your builds/disbands. Unless everyone says yes the vote will fail..


Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 9 Unit 8 Build 1
England: Supp 12 Unit 9 Build 3
France: Supp 0 Unit 1 Remove 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Russia: Supp 1 Unit 1 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 0 Unit 1 Remove 1

Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Munich
A Budapest - Vienna
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Galicia, no move received
F Ionian Sea - Naples
A Munich, no move received
A Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Serbia - Trieste
England:
A Brest - Paris
F English Channel Hold
A Gascony Supports A Brest - Paris
F Irish Sea - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Livonia - Moscow
F Marseilles Supports F Spain(sc) - Gulf of Lyon (*Cut*)
A Moscow - Ukraine
F Spain(sc) - Gulf of Lyon (*Bounce*)
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis (*Fails*)
France:
A Picardy - Paris (*Fails*)
Germany:
A Belgium Hold
A Berlin Supports A Kiel - Munich
A Burgundy Supports A Kiel - Munich
A Kiel - Munich (*Fails*)
A Prussia - Silesia
A Warsaw Supports A Prussia - Silesia
Italy:
A Constantinople - Ankara
A Piedmont - Marseilles (*Fails*)
F Smyrna - Constantinople
F Tunis - Western Mediterranean (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Munich
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon (*Bounce*)
Russia:
A Stp -> Mos (Not a legal Move)
Sev (no moves so hold)
Turkey:
F Black Sea, no move received




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DC 128 24 Hour warning Fall 05 orders due - test_gm   (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am)
I think the deadline was 5:00 today but since I forgot to send out a reminder this week, I will extend the deadline until 5:00 pm tomorrow.
If you haven't gotten a reply from me then I did not recieve your orders.

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