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Post:	< 10894
Subject:	< DC-212 England Debacle >
Topic:	< dc212 >
Category:	< Closed Games
Author:	TheWhiteWolf
Posted:	May 15, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Viewed:	789 times

TheWhiteWolf

Captain of the Watch

Farsightedness: The Butterfly Effect states that a butterfly that flaps its wings in Malaysia could cause a typhoon in British Columbia. So too could minor variations in one part of the board affect play across the board. The Captain of Watch asesses the board for all possible impacts - both immediate and long-term.

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Greg,
I'm going to quote a few things you said and then argue them. I will do so in as dispassionate a tone as possible, since there are still over 20 emails about this situation that I have yet to read. I am only replying to this because I find fault with a few points, and personal attack in one.

"I asked politely to go back into the game and was told NO."
- I've seen the emails you sent to Rachael. There was nothing polite about them.

"For the record, I am sorry for offending and if my spirited discussion was taken personally."
- Spirited discussion? The use of caps lock in email correspondence generally indicates a raised voice. By that merit, quite a bit of what you call spirited discussion was actually interpreted (not just by me, I'm sure) as shouting. That's beyond discussion, and well above spirited, at least in my book.

"I think Racheal can speak for herself."
- I'm well aware that she can, when she wishes to. I do live in the same house with her, after all.

"I have yet to hear a peep."
- This is only true if you mean 'since my last abrasive email'. I know she's had plenty to say since this whole situation cropped up.

"And by the way, I tried to reserve Fignorant(at)rocketmail.com for myself, but it was taken. Maybe you have it?"
- Now you're attacking my character. I don't appreciate the label 'ignorant'. That label implies a non-understanding of a situation, a lack of knowledge or awareness, etc. You know nothing about me personally, except that I have complained about your treatment by your GM, who I happen to be married to. If that leads you to conclusions about me, then perhaps I'm not the ignorant one in this equation.

More replies forthcoming, I'm sure,
Andy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
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--- On Fri, 5/15/09, Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>

Oh Please the game has gone on. I asked politely to go back into the game and was told NO. Insofar as my language is coming out of my ass, that is where I took it.

If someone makes a mistake, they should admit and move on. That is character in my book. I didn't deserve my punishment and when you start a game you expect to finish not be eliminated on a whim.

I have been involved in countless games with worse language.

Ban me, insult me- but don't tell me I deserved what I got.

For the record, I am sorry for offending and if my spirited discussion was taken personally. But yes I am pissed and I think any other person in my shoes would be pissed.

Andy, I think Racheal can speak for herself. I have yet to hear a peep. And by the way, I tried to reserve Fignorant(at)rocketmail.com for myself, but it was taken. Maybe you have it?

This message is in reply to post 10875:

Moderators and players of 212,
As an upstanding member of the community and Rachael's husband, I hereby officially request that Greg, the player causing the huge problem for this game, be removed from the community.
Mods, let me explain myself:

- If a player NMRs, for whatever reason, it is the GMs decision whether to keep the player or not. Knowing how to correctly spell the work "challenged" is, while commendable on Greg's part, immaterial to the case at hand. That is not how it's spelled in Rachael's email addres, so he screwed up. Plain and simple. Going as far over the deadline as he did, and with no communication with the GM, adverselt affects the game and the other players, and is thus justification for replacement.
- On that note, replacing a player is the GMs decision. There are several good and justifiable reasons to replace a player. Being that overdue on orders, and holding up the game, is one of them.

However, neither of these points is justification for removing someone from the site. Let's get into that.

- Greg personally insulted Rachael. I would have been offended even were she not my wife. Personal attacks are beyond the pale. "fugly(at)rocketmail.com", "the GM is being a baby", "your integrity is pathetic" ... I think Greg's integrity is what should be under the microscope here, but I wouldn't go so far as to say pathetic in a public forum. That would be a personal attack, which I would like to think I'm mature enough to keep out of the Dip community.
- Greg complained that he had put up with countless delays and inconsistencies. He is now the cause of the delay, while the whole game is paused to listen to his rant. He is continuing to be a detriment to the game, even though he's no longer a part of it. He is also becoming a detriment to the site, by showing every party involved how childish he is, and by affecting opinions about the GM.

Mods, if you don't feel Greg's removal is warranted, please let me know privately. I made this call public to spur immediate action. If that action is refused, I'd like to know as soon as possible so that I can take appropriate personal action. That may range from blacklisting the offender, which will be done anyway, to leaving the site myself. I don't wish to be part of a site that allows or encourages this behavior.

Andy

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

There are 3 Messages in this Thread:

DC-212 England Debacle (TheWhiteWolf) May 15, 06:57 am

DC-212 England Debacle (yeeha77) May 15, 08:49 am

DC-212 England Debacle (TheWhiteWolf) May 15, 05:08 pm

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