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Author:txurce
Posted:May 20, 2009 at 4:31 pm
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Thanks again, Jason, for a second round of a variant where your interest shines though so clearly.  You've made both my forays a lot of fun.

I think Alan's analysis is excellent, and a great jumping-off point.  He is a good player who was totally stymied by Eduardo Kyono, the original Sea Folk leader.  (I had similar issues with Eric Shum, playing Southlands.)  The major drawback to this otherwise very enjoyable variant is that geography limits the diplomatic options of almost every player.  Borderlands and Midlands have to fight.  Westlands and Whitecloaks almost certainly have to fight.  Southlands has two options - Whitecloaks or Midlands - and the Sea Folk have three.  This sense of being locked in continues throughout the game; it's almost impossible to for most of the powers to solo.  It may be telling that the two tests so far have resulted in two large draws.


I would recommend taking the same beautiful map and adding more provinces, with more ways around the all-too-limiting impassable spaces.  (This applies to the sea as well: two Sea Folk fleets can seal off a Westlands armada from touching either the Sea Folk homeland or making the turn to attack the Whitecloaks or Southlands.)


On a personal note playing Borderlands, I wound up pretty frustrated by the too-frequent appearances of Men In Black.  I mis-ordered once vs Midlands well before Bruce took over, and that may have made a difference - but that one instance aside, every time I had a head of steam going, I had to deal with an attack from behind.  To be clear, I'm not saying that the game is unbalanced in this way - more that it's not a lot of fun to have such frequent random elements in a game designed to have none (no dice, simultaneous moves, etc.).  Or not fun for me, anyway!


Jorge

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Alan Farrington <alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com ([email]alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:

Hello again everybody,

I dont have a whole lot to say about this game so this should be a relatively short EoG.  First of all let me say thank you to Jason who ran this game.  He did a great job at GM and I know he's really put a lot of time into making this Wheel of Time diplomacy idea work.

As for the actual game, the whole time I felt like a caged mouse.  My biggest success of the game was taking Ghealdan.  I built an army in the fall and figured it was time to get down to business.  Boy was I wrong.  Expanding West was a poor option for me because of the Mountains of Mist.  Likewise expanding north was equally as challenging.  I set my sights to the East and hoped to take Illian from the Soutlanders with some Seafolk help.  I still curse the seafolk name, as far as I'm concerned it was one of the worst diplomacy experiences I've ever had.

The seafolk just could nto be reached.  I tried to negotiate me taking Illian in exchange for my help with him taking Tear.  Tear Gordon and Mayene would have all been his I would have been happy with Far madding and Illian.  The relationship with seafolk never really got off the board so I tried to set my sights on the Ocean.  Maybe With some cunning strategy I could get some fleets out to see and cause some real problems for the Sea Folk.  The West seemed on board so around spring 1002 I believe I planned to move on Illian with support from the Soutlanders.  After taking Illian I would then allow my army to be popped for a Southland army.  This would give me a build, in which I could raise a Fleet to take on the Sea Folk.  It was a desperate time and a desperate measure, but the plan never sunk in with anyone else and ended up being a flop.

Shortly after the West and the Midlands took me out of the game quite handily.  A painful game with a painful end.

Thank you all for playing, If I were to play this board again i would enjoy to see some changes.  The impassable territories in the West make the game very difficult for The Whitecloaks and the West.  If Ghaeldon touched more provinces it would have made my lfe a lot easier as well.  Only one outlet into Emonds field made negotiating above me very difficult.

Thanks,
Alan Farrington

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This message is in reply to post 10978:

Hello again everybody,

I dont have a whole lot to say about this game so this should be a relatively short EoG. First of all let me say thank you to Jason who ran this game. He did a great job at GM and I know he's really put a lot of time into making this Wheel of Time diplomacy idea work.

As for the actual game, the whole time I felt like a caged mouse. My biggest success of the game was taking Ghealdan. I built an army in the fall and figured it was time to get down to business. Boy was I wrong. Expanding West was a poor option for me because of the Mountains of Mist. Likewise expanding north was equally as challenging. I set my sights to the East and hoped to take Illian from the Soutlanders with some Seafolk help. I still curse the seafolk name, as far as I'm concerned it was one of the worst diplomacy experiences I've ever had.

The seafolk just could nto be reached. I tried to negotiate me taking Illian in exchange for my help with him taking Tear. Tear Gordon and Mayene would have all been his I would have been happy with Far madding and Illian. The relationship with seafolk never really got off the board so I tried to set my sights on the Ocean. Maybe With some cunning strategy I could get some fleets out to see and cause some real problems for the Sea Folk. The West seemed on board so around spring 1002 I believe I planned to move on Illian with support from the Soutlanders. After taking Illian I would then allow my army to be popped for a Southland army. This would give me a build, in which I could raise a Fleet to take on the Sea Folk. It was a desperate time and a desperate measure, but the plan never sunk in with anyone else and ended up being a flop.

Shortly after the West and the Midlands took me out of the game quite handily. A painful game with a painful end.

Thank you all for playing, If I were to play this board again i would enjoy to see some changes. The impassable territories in the West make the game very difficult for The Whitecloaks and the West. If Ghaeldon touched more provinces it would have made my lfe a lot easier as well. Only one outlet into Emonds field made negotiating above me very difficult.

Thanks,
Alan Farrington
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.

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DC 216 Children of the Light EoG (AlanRFarrington) May 20, 02:23 pm

DC 216 Children of the Light EoG (txurce) May 20, 04:31 pm

DC 216 Children of the Light EoG (coebq) May 21, 03:16 am

DC 216 Children of the Light EoG (Lothar) May 27, 08:49 am

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