Ah yes - glad to have the expert here to declare what alliances can or cannot work. Shall I take notes? EGF or AIT can and do work in the standard game. In fact they are well-documented. But you say they can't so maybe 30 years of history and thousands of games were wrong. EGF (or in our case NHQ) alliances work if you make them work. If you discount any alliance as impossible, then you're simply playing with a smaller deck of options than the rest of the players. I will keep that in mind for future games! Perhaps you should consider that they dont work for you, cuz you think they dont work and so you preemptively break them. You also think that BC/Cali shouldn't work and one should stab the other, to the extent that you're whining that they should, yet it continues to work to your dismay.

They're simply choosing not to stab. Sorry. That probly hurts your eyes to read.

Now tell me who is handing the game over?

Oh, I don't think you alone caused the predicament that the whole northeast is in. However you were certainly an instigator in the happenings. I know that Heartland moved on me first, and I tried to work w the trio again after that, and then the two of you moved in, and I tried to work w HL yet again, and he still took a center on a retreat. But I chalk that up to inexperience, whereas I know you're a veteran who's supposedly been thru this before. I am pretty certain that without your prodding, if instead you and I had stood solid, HL would not have moved against us alone. As you put it, he probly could have been "manipulated" into sticking w us indefinitely, but you played that card to our destruction instead of our growth.

I'm guessing in dc136 you probly got hit from the other side, and so didnt have the chance to stab. No doubt if say Florida or Cuba had come up at you from the south, you'd have been all for our alliance. But when given the choice, well... it is a game of choices so we need not beat that one. Unfortunately there is no disputing that I gave both yourself and Heartland a huge effort to make this work, whereas your diploming was from the start of the alliance to get HL to stab me, since I outright told you I wouldn't stab him. That was truly my mistake in this game, when you asked me to stab Heartland so early, I should have realized you were playing that both ways, and Heartland wasn't as resistant to giving in.

What was the word... yes... perspective.
Or in your case, perspecttive.




From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wed 3/19/2008 3:05 PM
To: Michael Sims; Former Trout; dc138
Cc: Andrew Clarke; Andrew Tanner; Bruce Quinn; Bruce Ray; Jason K; Nathan Deily; Samuel Smith; Steve Lytton
Subject: Re: DC138 Winter Of Our Discontent - Spring 2006 - Hard On Equipment


Sims,

All in the perspective of the wronged. I have played this game long enough to know that a geographic situation like ours would not sustain a long term, successful 3 way alliance. In the same way a E/G/F alliance or a T/I/A alliance in Vanilla Dip cannot last. A wise friend of my tought me this valuable piece of advise (occasionally the hard way) in some FTF games. An ally is no longer an ally if they have a shot at 2 or more SC's. And in 8 years of actively playing this game I have found that theory to be true 95% of the time. Sooner or later our borders would have ended up establishing that exact status.

If you want to see whether I am capable of being a solid and secure ally, look at DC136 where I have worked with Germany from the start to both of our benefit. Germany unfortunately made a wrong guess one turn that hurt him significantly and is just climbing back up from that with the trusted help of yours truly. So yes it can be done. But more often than not, it falls apart.

Lastly before you go blaming me for my choice of adjustments, I suggest you look more at HL and him vacating his line and cooperating with BC dispite my continued support and petitioning to ensure he did not lose MIS to Cali 3 years ago. So don't point the finger on me for the advance of Cali and BC. The line that fell apart which will open the door for them was and is HL. Period. so cus him out too while you are putting the blame on me handing the game over to them. I did my level best to restore peace and support HL and he chose to side with BC. Now tell me who is handing the game over?

Perspective.

Rob


----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; dc138 <DC138(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: Andrew Clarke <a_c_2bcool(at)hotmail.com>; Andrew Tanner <damienthryn(at)gmail.com>; Bruce Quinn <coebq(at)yahoo.com>; Bruce Ray <raybrucea(at)aol.com>; Jason K <Githraine(at)yahoo.com>; Nathan Deily <ndeily(at)yahoo.com>; Samuel Smith <agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 3:38:05 PM
Subject: RE: DC138 Winter Of Our Discontent - Spring 2006 - Hard On Equipment

Please refrain from declaring my moods. I am not mad, or upset. Rather I've been enjoying the game since you (Rob) devoted an empire 4 times my size to eliminating me, and you have nothing to show for it... and in fact lost 2 centers last round. You're so worried about BC rounding that corner or me living to say "hah" that you are conceding the center of America to California and BC so as to ensure my demise. That is in a way the ultimate compliment that you are giving up your own game to take mine.

However in the same breath, you're bitching about how Cali and BC wont stab each other, when you're bailing on the center of the map in favor of retaining an army in Gas is just handing them more centers and growth w/o having to stab the other. You are feeding the monster that you're complaining about, while getting very unlucky in the battles agaisnt me.

"You're just mad and upset that you were jumped on first - before you got yourself established enough to turn on HL or I."

I think Andrew's comments are right on, and this edifies them. For had you (and Heartland) not stabbed our trio, we would be in the 3 power positions, and everyone else on the map would be encouraging us to stab the other. See this is where your logic falls apart, for you ASSUME that an alliance wont work, and that someone will stab it. However we can see that if players stick to it, then it works. You didnt give ours a chance. You basically stabbed, admittedly so that I couldnt stab you first, and anyone who approaches an alliance like that, will find themselves often alliance-less, facing those who are stronger, urging them disappointedly to stab the other.

"Your in a position to lose both your SC's this turn "

Are you proud of this? You've spent your whole game trying to elim one player, I've survived way longer than I should have, and you're coming up on the short end of the alliance stick after our trio had the best opening possible in this game. Andrew would be toast if you hadn't turned, and Heartland and myself would now be beating on the door of California (sorry Ray!). However, yes, I am in a position to lose my SC's, so kudos to you for a great start well squandered.





From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Wed 3/19/2008 12:08 PM
To: Michael Sims; Former Trout; dc138
Cc: Andrew Clarke; Andrew Tanner; Bruce Quinn; Bruce Ray; Jason K; Nathan Deily; Samuel Smith; Steve Lytton
Subject: Re: DC138 Winter Of Our Discontent - Spring 2006 - Hard On Equipment



Aw Sims... in this game there was no disconnect between my words and my orders to anyone until HL decided to fudge a foolproof (or so I thought) plan to take MON and QUE from you. And not since I sought retribtution for his actions has there been disconnect. Twice HL screwed me since (justifably) and for several turns BC has spoken great things towards peace in the NE, yet his rush of units to the region paint an entirely contrasting picture.

You're just mad and upset that you were jumped on first - before you got yourself established enough to turn on HL or I. I'm just mad because I had too much confidence in the compotence of HL. I put too much trust in BC when clearly he didn't deserve any, and at present you are just an extension of him.

The fact of the matter is HL will lose his centers before he gains anything significant from me. Your in a position to lose both your SC's this turn and surprisingly even after my misorder, I am not in terrible position in the short term.

In the long term, unless BC and Cali crack or Mexico makes immediate moves to flex some naval muscle in the Pacific, then the game is over. Not one to throw in the towel, but another season or two on the current course and our little love triangle in the NE will be a distant thought.

Rob

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; dc138 <DC138(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: Andrew Clarke <a_c_2bcool(at)hotmail.com>; Andrew Tanner <damienthryn(at)gmail.com>; Bruce Quinn <coebq(at)yahoo.com>; Bruce Ray <raybrucea(at)aol.com>; Jason K <Githraine(at)yahoo.com>; Nathan Deily <ndeily(at)yahoo.com>; Samuel Smith <agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2008 12:13:49 PM
Subject: RE: DC138 Winter Of Our Discontent - Spring 2006 - Hard On Equipment


Ya know if you’d stop dropping your front line units maybe you could stop those huge empires in the west. I’m sure you’ll keep going at me tho, the little guy with two measly fleets just trying to stay alive, and Cali/BC will keep expanding. But of course you prefer me as your enemy, you’ve made that clear.

guess I have swallowed my words eh Sims

I didn’t know you used words. Based on the complete disconnect between what you’ve said this game and what you’ve ordered, I figured you were just speaking gibberish.

Fuck... Fuck.... Fuckitty Fuck Fuck Fuck!!!

…pretty much confirms that.




From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2008 12:37 PM
To: Former Trout; dc138
Cc: Andrew Clarke; Andrew Tanner; Bruce Quinn; Bruce Ray; Jason K; Michael Sims ; Nathan Deily; Samuel Smith; Steve Lytton
Subject: Re: DC138 Winter Of Our Discontent - Spring 2006 - Hard On Equipment


Fucking coasts... Fucking internet troubles... Fuck... Fuck.... Fuckitty Fuck Fuck Fuck!!!

NY/BC joint victory proposed...

You Got luckly this time Sims... Net problems kept me from checking my orders thoroughly... Fucking 3rd world inter-fucking-net... anyways... guess I have swallowed my words eh Sims... Hopefully, my stretch of 3 days without net will end today... too little too late for this game though...

Oh well... It doesn't matter much anyway....

----- Original Message ----
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: dc138 <DC138(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: Andrew Clarke <a_c_2bcool(at)hotmail.com>; Andrew Tanner <damienthryn(at)gmail.com>; Bruce Quinn <coebq(at)yahoo.com>; Bruce Ray <raybrucea(at)aol.com>; Jason K <Githraine(at)yahoo.com>; Mike Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>; Nathan Deily < ndeily(at)yahoo.com >; Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; Samuel Smith <agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 8:43:52 PM
Subject: DC138 Winter Of Our Discontent - Spring 2006 - Hard On Equipment

Our sage guru of all guru-ness plucks this from his Spring 2006 Fortune Cookie: You will soon be more aware of your growing awareness.

Course, we're all aware of hind-sight. Mexico puts on an eye-patch and peg-leg, moving into Carribean waters. New York continues to struggle against the wrath of the previously-stabbed and the weather channels split in disagreement over the coming Canadian cold front or Sunny Californian glow...

One retreat required after all of that - the New York fleet in the Gulf of St Lawrence finds itself finding a new port. Either Newfoundland or Quebec , the American sailors will soon find themselves in a land with strange-speaking people. Deadline for the Summer 2006 retreat will be set for Sunday, March 16th (11:59 PM GMT).

Cheers all. Please just let me know if you spot any mistakes.

Trout
DC-138
A Diplomaticcorp Game
Fall of the American Empire 4 Variant
Game Started:





Current Turn:
Spring 2006

Next Deadline:
Summer 2006 Retreats
Sunday, March 16th (11:59 PM GMT)



The Rowdy Cast

British Columbia
Andrew Tanner
damienthryn AT gmail DOT com
California
Bruce Ray
Raybrucea AT aol DOT com
Cuba
Jason K.
Githraine AT yahoo DOT com
Florida
Lee Moore
agenbite DOT lee AT gmail DOT com
Heartland
Andy Ski
a_c_2bcool AT hotmail DOT com
Mexico
Bruce Quinn
coebq AT yahoo DOT com
New York
Rob Ackerley
rob_ackerley AT yahoo DOT ca
Peru
Alex Schmidt
wecanworkthisout AT yahoo DOT com
Quebec
Mike Sims
mike AT southwall DOT com
Texas
Nathan Deily
nedily AT yahoo DOT com



Humble GM:
Former Trout
former DOT trout AT gmail DOT com




CURRENT SEASON:



SPRING 2006 ORDERS:



BRITISH COLUMBIA :

F MPO H
OK
F Van - Anc
OK
F Anc - ARO
OK
F Gre - NAO
[BOUNCE with NAO 1:1]
F SOL s ( Quebec ) F NSC - GSL
OK
A Min s (HL) A Chi-Mil
VOID (No Such Order)
A Won s (HL) A Ont
OK
A Man - Non
OK
A Non - Abi
OK
A Mon - Bea
OK


CALIFORNIA :

North Pacific - WCO (West Coast?)
OK
Baja - Gulf of California
[BOUNCE with GUA 1:1]
Oklahoma - Missouri
OK
Kansas s Oklahoma - Missouri
OK
Nebraska s Oklahoma - Missouri
OK
San Antonio - Houston
[BOUNCE with HOU 2:2]
Dallas s San Antonio - Houston
OK
West Texas s Dallas
OK
New Mexico s Dallas
OK
Arizona - Colorado
OK


CUBA :

A Bogota - Vichada
OK
F Cali (nc) - South Caribbean Sea
[BOUNCE with WES 1:1]
F East Caribbean Sea - Venezuela
OK


FLORIDA :

A Hou holds
OK
A in Lou supports A in Hou holding
OK
A Ark holds
OK
A Ten supports A Ark holding
OK
A Dos supports A Ark Holding
OK
A Geo supports A Ten supporting A Ark
OK
A Hav to Cam
OK
F Mia to Sof
OK
F Sof to GoM
OK
F Kin to ECS
OK
F Les supports F Kin to ECS
OK
F WeS to Scs
[BOUNCE with CAL 1:1]


HEARTLAND:

A Chicago - Indiana
[BOUNCE with IND 1:1]
A Milwaukee - Upper Peninsula
[BOUNCE with MIC 1:1]
A Missouri - Kentucky
OK
A Ontario Supports A Montreal
VOID (Unit Ordered To Move)


MEXICO :

A Pot - Mex
OK
F Gua - GCa
[BOUNCE with BAJ 1:1]
F Ver - GoC
OK
F Gut - CoM
OK
F GoF - CoB
OK
A Nic holds
OK
A Yuc holds
OK
A NLe holds
OK
F Pan - GMo
OK
F Lima - Gal
OK


NEW YORK :

A Beauce - Gaspesie
OK
F Gulf of St-Lawrence - New Brunswick (sc)
VOID [DISLODGED by NSC 2:1]
A Indiana Supports A Tennessee - Kentucky
[CUT by CHI]
F Massachusetts Bay Supports F Gulf of St-Lawrence - New Brunswick (sc)
VOID
A Michigan - Upper Peninsula
[BOUNCE with MIL 1:1]
F North Atlantic Ocean - Nova Scotia
[BOUNCE with NBR 1:1]
A New York State - Ontario
[BOUNCE with ONT 1:2]


QUEBEC :

F NSc-GSL
OK
F NBr/nc-NSc
[BOUNCE with NAO 1:1]


SUMMER 2006 RETREATS:

New York F Gulf of St-Lawrence may retreat to Nfl, Lab, Cot, Que or OTB





UNIT / SUPPLY CENTER BREAKDOWN

------------------------------



BRITISH COLUMBIA :

10 Supply Centers - Anc, Van, Cgy, Was, Haw,

Man, Min, Ung, Gre, Mon

5 Armies - Min, Bea, Abi, Won, Non

5 Fleets - Mpo, Sol, Gre, Aro, Anc



CALIFORNIA :

10 Supply Centers - Sfr, Los, Sdi, Ore , Ari , Col ,

Chh , Kan , San, Dal

8 Armies - Mis, Dal, Wte, San, Kan , Neb , Nme , Col

2 Fleets - Baj, Wco



CUBA :

3 Supply Centers - Ven , Cal , Bog

1 Army - Vic

2 Fleets - Cal(nc), Ven



FLORIDA :

12 Supply Centers - Jac, Tam, Mia, Ten, Geo, Nca,

Lou, Hou, Hol, Dom, Hav, Kin

7 Armies - Ten, Hou , Ark , Lou, Cam , Geo, Dso

5 Fleets - Les, Wcs, Ecs, Gom, Sof



HEARTLAND:

4 Supply Centers - Mil, Mis, Chi, Ont

4 Armies - Chi, Ont, Ken, Mil

0 Fleets -



MEXICO :

10 Supply Centers - Gua, Mex, Ver, Gut, Dur, Nle,

Nic, Lim, Pan, Yuc

4 Armies - Nic, Mex, Nle, Yuc

6 Fleets - Cob, Gal, Gmo, Com, Goc, Gua



NEW YORK :

7 Supply Centers - Nyc, Nje, Phi, Mas, Ohi, Wdc,

Mic

4 Armies - Bea, Mic, Ind , Nys

3 Fleets - Mab, [Gsl], Nao



QUEBEC :

2 Supply Centers - Que, Nsc

0 Armies -

2 Fleets - Gsl, Nbr(nc)





TEXAS - ELIMINATED 2004



PERU - ELIMINATED 2005




NEXT DEADLINE: SUMMER 2006 RETREATS DUE SUNDAY, MARCH 16TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!















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