At 10:13 AM 10/4/2008, steve janecek wrote:

I'm hurt! No mention of the bastard Central Asia? <smile>

Hi everyone,

I know I am not dead yet, but the writing is on the proverbial wall
as they say. I thought I would take this time to reveal some some
characteristics of those around me...in hopes this can help those
other leaders around the world avoid the danger.

I could go into great detail, but I doubt you all will take the time
to read it, so I will do my best to make it short.

The way things were going early, I decided to work with Turkey, as
the game progressed and with the actions of India and Central Asia,
I actually felt it best to try to give my centers to Turkey. I
figured I'd rather him have them than these bastards to my east. So
for the past three game years I have been slowly giving my centers
to Turkey (maybe you noticed) this was all part of the plan. The
hope was that we could get him all of my centers with the exception
of SHI.. Things were going well, I was holding off India and Turkey
took Syr, was to tak BAG this year, TAB the next and maybe MEC and
OMA the year after - finally TEH if things went right, and I would
be eliminated, which was fine.

Of course Turkey agreed - it generally only took one army to take
centers and considering the possibility of 5-6 builds from the
sacrifice one at most 2 units, who could complain. Well apparently
that wasn't enough for Turkey - he decided to stab me this
season. So what does that tell me about him...well it tells me that
even the the most generous of offerings isnt enough for him. This
stab would only get him one more center a year earlier, doesn;t seem
like something that important, but to him it was. He broke a deal
entirely in his favor for the smallest of gains. Now ideally I
wouldn;t write this letter, but it seems so petty of him to do this
that it just annoys the Iranian people that it was necessary to make
this announcement. Beware of him, dont assume that because your
deal is equitable he wont stab you, dont assume that just because a
stab could yield him at best one center he wont do it. Even the
CLOSEST of alliances is a means to an end
for him..be very wary.

Some other opinions about other countries:

India - None responsive, poor communicator, lucky starting position,
tactically sound, but not an ally by any means. Use him for what
you can but dont consider him a friend

Thaliand - An amazing liar, treacherous and talented - be VERY
careful of him... even the most intricate of plans with him are
doomed to fail if you count on his trust

Kenya - Just doesnt follow through - lots of promises, no
commitment, even if it takes the smallest sacrifice

Malaysia - most trustworthy player on the board that i have dealt
with. The only one worth my time

there are others, but I do not feel sure enough about my opinion to
impose on you.

Good luck everyone,
Steve - Iran








--- On Sat, 10/4/08, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com> wrote:

[quote:793b1fe3a6]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Subject: WWIV f05 results!
To: ianxshaw(at)gmail.com, former.trout(at)gmail.com,

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Stefan.Krekeler(at)web.de, "Brutus" <kjb(at)wbhsi.net>

Date: Saturday, October 4, 2008, 9:54 AM
Lots of stuff for this winter as 3 players end their run
here in the 5th
year:

Australia is eliminated
Canada is eliminated - thanks John for taking up that
replacement spot
Egypt is eliminated

Stats are online, www.diplomaticcorp.com?game_id=dc195

8 players have a retreat!
25 players have a build or remove!

RETREATS:

Argentina: A Atacama(ata)
CentralAsia: A Urumqi(umq)
Cuba: A Miami(mia)
India: A Uzbekistan(uzb)
Kenya: A Ethiopia(eth)
Manchuria: A Vancouver(van)
Nigeria: F Angola Basin(anb), A Kinshasa(kin)
Turkey: A Rumania(rum)

BUILDS:

AmazonEmpire: Remove
Argentina: Build 2
Australia: Remove TMS (eliminated)
Brazil: Build
California: Build 2
Canada: Remove CAS (eliminated)
Catholica: Build
CentralAsia: Remove
Cuba: Remove
Egypt: Remove Izr, Alb (eliminated)
Illinois: Build 3
IncaEmpire: Remove 2
Iran: Remove
Japan: Remove
Kenya: Remove 2
Manchuria: Remove
Mexico: Build
Oceania: Build 2
Philippines: Build 2
Russia: Remove
SichuanEmpire: Build 2
SongEmpire: Build
SouthAfrica: Build 2
Texas: Remove 2
Thailand: Build
Turkey: Build 2
UnitedKingdom: Build 2
UnitedStates: Build

RETREATS and BUILDS are are due together, Wednesday 10/8,
10am Pacific!


Keep in mind you may take your retreat off the board, and
then build
instead, for those players who dont have to take a removal.
Also, it is
CHAOS builds - build in any open supply center that you
control.

**************************************************

AmazonEmpire:
F Cienfuegos(cie) - Santa Clara(snc) (*Fails*)
F Aruba(aru) - Maracaibo(mcb) (*Bounce*)
F Caracas(crc) Supports F Aruba(aru) - Maracaibo(mcb)
A Loreto(lor) - Bogota(bog) (*Bounce*)

Argentina:
A Atacama(ata) Supports A Sucre(suc) - La Paz(lpz)
(*Dislodged*)
F Bio Bio(bio) - Chile Basin(chb) (*Bounce*)
F Buenos-Aries(bue) - Uruguay(uru)
F Chile Basin(chb) - South Central Pacific Ocean(scp)
A Gran Chaco(gra) Supports A Santa Cruz(scz)
A Pampas(pam) - Patagonia(pat)
A Santa Cruz(scz) Supports A Sucre(suc) - La Paz(lpz)
A Sucre(suc) - La Paz(lpz)
A Valparaiso(val) Supports A Atacama(ata)

Australia:
F Timor Sea(tms) - Darwin(dwn) (*Bounce*)

Brazil:
F Western South Atlantic Ocean(wsa) - Guyana(guy)
A Curitiba(ctb) - Mato Grosso Do Sul(mgd)
A Guyana(guy) - Bolivar(blv)
A Manaus(man) - Roraima(ror)
A Mato Grosso(mgr) - Rondonia(ron)
F Mid South Atlantic Ocean(msa) - Western South Atlantic
Ocean(wsa)
A Para(pra) - Manaus(man)
F Recife(rec) Supports F Mid South Atlantic Ocean(msa) -
Western South
Atlantic Ocean(wsa)
F Rio De Janeiro(rio) Supports F South West Atlantic(swa) -
Mid South
Atlantic Ocean(msa)
A Suriname(snm) Supports F Western South Atlantic
Ocean(wsa) -
Guyana(guy)
F South West Atlantic(swa) - Mid South Atlantic Ocean(msa)

California:
A Arizona(arz) - Sonora(son)
F Hawaii(hi) - Midway Island(mdw) (*Bounce*)
F North East Pacific Ocean(nep) - Hawaii(hi) (*Fails*)
A New Mexico(nmx) Supports A Chihuahua(chu)
F Seattle(sea) Supports F San Francisco(sf) - Oregon(ore)
F San Francisco(sf) - Oregon(ore)

Canada:
A Oklahoma(okl) - Arkansas(ark) (*Disbanded*)
F Oregon(ore) - Cascadia Basin(cas)

Catholica:
F Egypt(egy) Hold
F Morocco(mor) Supports F Eastern North Atlantic Ocean(ena)
F Tripoli(tri) - Gulf of Sirte(sir)
F Tunisia(tun) - Tripoli(tri)
F Adriatic Sea(adr) Supports A Serbia(ser)
A Croatia(cro) - Budapest(bud) (*Fails*)
F Eastern North Atlantic Ocean(ena) Supports F Azores(azo)
F Ionian Sea(ion) Hold
A Prague(prg) Supports A Eastern Germany(egr) - Warsaw(war)
A Serbia(ser) Supports A Croatia(cro) - Budapest(bud)
(*Cut*)
F Spain(spa)(sc) Supports F Eastern North Atlantic
Ocean(ena)
F Western Mediterranean Sea(wmd) Supports F Eastern North
Atlantic
Ocean(ena)

CentralAsia:
A Omsk(oms) - Zapadno-Sibirskaya Ravnina(zap) (*Fails*)
A Ufa(ufa) - Perm'(prm)
A Aktyubinsk(akt) Supports A Xinjiang(xin) -
Uzbekistan(uzb)
A Almaty(alm) Supports A Xinjiang(xin) - Uzbekistan(uzb)
A Ashgabat(ash) Supports A Xinjiang(xin) - Uzbekistan(uzb)
A Khorasan(kho) - Shiraz(shi) (*Fails*)
A Urumqi(umq) Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Xinjiang(xin) - Uzbekistan(uzb)

Colombia:
A Acre(acr) Supports A Lima(lim)
A Amazon Basin(amz) - Bogota(bog) (*Bounce*)
F Barranquilla(brn) - Maracaibo(mcb) (*Bounce*)
F Golfo De Venezuela(gov) Supports F Maracaibo(mcb) -
Aruba(aru)
F Maracaibo(mcb) - Aruba(aru) (*Fails*)
A Santander(stn) Supports F Barranquilla(brn) -
Maracaibo(mcb)

Congo:
A Kisangani(kis) Supports A Kinshasa(kin)

Cuba:
F Bahamas(bhm) Supports A Miami(mia) (*Cut*)
F Eastern Gulf of Mexico(egm) - Havana(hav)
A Guantanamo(gno) - Cienfuegos(cie) (*Fails*)
F Jamaica(jam) - Yucatan Basin(yub)
F Puerto Rico(pr) Supports F Trinidad & Tobago(trd) -
Eastern Caribbean
Sea(ecb)
F Trinidad & Tobago(trd) - Eastern Caribbean Sea(ecb)
A Miami(mia) Hold (*Dislodged*)

Egypt:
F Albania(alb) - Serbia(ser) (*Fails*)
A Israel(isr) - Egypt(egy) (*Fails*)

Illinois:
A Alabama(ala) Supports F South East Coast(sec) -
Miami(mia)
A Calgary(clg) Supports A Edmonton(edm) - Vancouver(van)
A Denver(dnv) Supports A Kansas(kan) - Oklahoma(okl)
A Edmonton(edm) - Vancouver(van)
F Hudson Bay(hud) - Labrador(lbr)
A Kansas(kan) - Oklahoma(okl)
A Memphis(mem) Supports A St Louis(stl) - Arkansas(ark)
A Missouri(miz) Supports A St Louis(stl) - Arkansas(ark)
F Montreal(mtl) - Hudson Bay(hud)
A New Orleans(no) Supports A Alabama(ala)
A Peninsule D' Ungava(pdu) - Quebec(qbc) (*Bounce*)
A St Louis(stl) - Arkansas(ark)
A Yukon(yuk) - North West Territory(nwt) (*Bounce*)

IncaEmpire:
F Arequipa(arq) Supports A La Paz(lpz) - Atacama(ata)
A Beni(bni) - La Paz(lpz) (*Fails*)
F Galapagos(glp) - Chile Basin(chb) (*Bounce*)
A Lima(lim) Supports A La Paz(lpz) - Atacama(ata)
A La Paz(lpz) - Atacama(ata)

India:
F Arabian Sea(ara) - Gulf of Aden(gad)
F Bombay(bom) - Arabian Sea(ara)
F Madras(mdr) Supports F Bombay(bom) - Arabian Sea(ara)
F North Indian Ocean(nio) - Diego Garcia(die) (*Fails*)
F Rajasthan(raj) - Karachi(kar)
A Afghanistan(afg) Supports A Shiraz(shi)
A Baluchestan(blc) Supports A Shiraz(shi)
A Kashmir(kas) Supports A Uzbekistan(uzb)
A Shiraz(shi) Supports A Afghanistan(afg) (*Cut*)
A Uzbekistan(uzb) Hold (*Dislodged*)

Indonesia:
F Jakarta(jak) Supports F Palembang(plm) - Java Sea(jav)
F Perth(per) - Darwin(dwn) (*Disbanded*)
F Palembang(plm) - Java Sea(jav)
F Strait of Malacca(stm) - Medan(mdn)

Iran:
A Mecca(mec) Hold
F Oman(oma) - Arabian Sea(ara) (*Fails*)
F Persian Gulf(peg) Supports A Tehran(teh)
A Tehran(teh) Supports A Khorasan(kho) - Shiraz(shi)

Japan:
F Kyoto(kyo) Supports F Tokyo(tok)
F North Central Pacific Ocean(ncp) - Midway Island(mdw)
(*Bounce*)
F Sakhalinsk(sak) Supports F Sapporo(sap) (*Cut*)
F Sapporo(sap) Supports F Sakhalinsk(sak)
F Tokyo(tok) Supports F Kyoto(kyo)

Kenya:
A Bujumbura(buj) - Tanzania(tan) (*Fails*)
A Ethiopia(eth) Supports A Nairobi(nai) (*Dislodged*)
A Kivu(kiv) Supports A Angola(ang) - Kinshasa(kin)
F Mombasa(mom) Supports A Nairobi(nai) (*Fails*)
A Nairobi(nai) Supports A Ethiopia(eth) (*Cut*)
A Rwanda(rwa) - Uganda(uga) (*Fails*)
F Somali Basin(sob) - Diego Garcia(die)

Manchuria:
A Khabarovsk(khb) - Sakhalinsk(sak) (*Fails*)
F Sea of Japan(soj) Supports A Khabarovsk(khb) -
Sakhalinsk(sak) (*Cut*)
F Vladivostok(vla) - Khabarovsk(khb) (*Disbanded*)
A Vancouver(van) - North West Territory(nwt) (*Dislodged*)

Mexico:
A Chihuahua(chu) Supports A Coahuila(coa)
A Coahuila(coa) Supports A Monterey(mon)
A Guatamala(gml) Hold
A Monterey(mon) Supports A Coahuila(coa)
F Western Gulf of Mexico(wgm) Supports A Monterey(mon)
A Zacatcas(zac) Supports A Arizona(arz) - Sonora(son)

Nigeria:
F Angola Basin(anb) Supports F St Helena(sth) (*Dislodged*)
A Bangui(ban) - Sudan(sud)
F Cape Verde Islands(cpv) Supports F Eastern South Atlantic
Ocean(esa)
F Dakar(dak) Supports F Eastern South Atlantic Ocean(esa)
A Equateur(equ) Supports A Bangui(ban) - Sudan(sud)
F Eastern South Atlantic Ocean(esa) Supports F Angola
Basin(anb)
A Khartoum(kha) Supports A Sudan(sud) - Ethiopia(eth)
A Kinshasa(kin) Supports A Kisangani(kis) (*Dislodged*)
A Libya(lib) Supports A Khartoum(kha)
A Niger(ngr) - Chad(cha)
A Sudan(sud) - Ethiopia(eth)

Oceania:
F Great Australian Bight(gab) Supports F South
Australia(soz) -
Perth(per)
F Nauru(nau) Supports F Central Pacific Ocean(cpo)
F Papua New Guinea(pap) - Coral Sea(crl) (*Bounce*)
F Queensland(que) - Darwin(dwn)
F Soloman Islands(sol) - Coral Sea(crl) (*Bounce*)
F South Australia(soz) - Perth(per)
F Tasman Sea(tas) Supports F Great Australian Bight(gab)
F Central Pacific Ocean(cpo) Supports F West Central
Pacific Ocean(wcp)
- Midway Island(mdw)
F Pitcairn Island(pit) Supports F Tahiti(tah)
F Tahiti(tah) Supports F Pitcairn Island(pit)

Philippines:
F Northern Philippine Sea(nps) Hold
F Saipan(sai) - West Central Pacific Ocean(wcp)
F West Central Pacific Ocean(wcp) - Midway Island(mdw)
F Arafura Sea(arf) Supports F Queensland(que) - Darwin(dwn)
F Banda Sea(bnd) - Ambon(amb)
F Banjarmasin(bnj) - Java Sea(jav) (*Fails*)
F Celebes Sea(cel) - Makassar Strait(mak)
F Micronesia(mic) Supports F Saipan(sai) - West Central
Pacific
Ocean(wcp)
F Southern Philippine Sea(sps) Supports F Northern
Philippine Sea(nps)

Quebec:
A New Brunswick(nb) - Quebec(qbc) (*Bounce*)

Russia:
F Black Sea(bla) Convoys A Donets'k(don) - Rumania(rum)
A Budapest(bud) - Warsaw(war) (*Fails*)
A Donets'k(don) - Rumania(rum)
A Finland(fin) - Murmansk(mur)
A Kiev(kie) - Minsk(msk)
A L'viv(lvi) Supports A Budapest(bud) - Warsaw(war)
(*Cut*)
A Moldova(mol) Supports A Donets'k(don) - Rumania(rum)
A Moscow(mos) - Lithuania(lit)
A Volgograd(vol) - Moscow(mos)

SichuanEmpire:
A Harbin(har) - Khabarovsk(khb) (*Bounce*)
A Jilin(jil) Supports A Korea(kor) - Vladivostok(vla)
A Korea(kor) - Vladivostok(vla)
A Northern Inner Mongolia(nin) - Siberia(sib)
A Qinghai(qng) Supports A Tibet(tib) - Xinjiang(xin)
A Shenyang(she) - Northern Inner Mongolia(nin)
A Siberia(sib) - Srednesibirskoye Ploskogor'ye(srd)
A Mongolia(mgl) - Urumqi(umq)
A Tyva(tyv) Supports A Mongolia(mgl) - Urumqi(umq)
A Zapadno-Sibirskaya Ravnina(zap) - Omsk(oms) (*Fails*)

SongEmpire:
F East China Sea(ecs) - Seoul(seo)
F Fuzhou(fuz) Supports F Shanghai(sha) - East China
Sea(ecs)
F Nanjing(njg) - Shanghai(sha)
F Sea of Okhotsk(okh) - Sea of Japan(soj) (*Fails*)
F South China Sea North(scn) Supports F Shanghai(sha) -
East China
Sea(ecs)
F Shanghai(sha) - East China Sea(ecs)
A Wuhan(wuh) Hold
F Yellow Sea(yel) Supports F East China Sea(ecs) -
Seoul(seo)
A Zhengzhou(zhe) Hold

SouthAfrica:
A Angola(ang) - Kinshasa(kin)
A Dar Es Salaam(dar) - Zambia(zam)
A Katanga(kat) Supports A Angola(ang) - Kinshasa(kin)
F Lubango(lub) - Angola Basin(anb)
F Madagascar(mds) - Somali Basin(sob)
F St Helena(sth) Supports F Lubango(lub) - Angola
Basin(anb)
A Tanzania(tan) - Rwanda(rwa) (*Fails*)
A Uganda(uga) - Nairobi(nai) (*Fails*)
F Central Indian Ocean(cio) Supports F Somali Basin(sob) -
Diego
Garcia(die)
F Southern Indian Ocean(sio), no move received
F South West Indian Ocean(swi) Supports F Southern Indian
Ocean(sio)
F South Atlantic Ocean(sat) Supports F Lubango(lub) -
Angola Basin(anb)

Texas:
A Sonora(son) - Baja(baj)
F Corpus Christi(ccr) Supports A Houston(hou)
A Dallas(dal) Supports A San Antonio(san)
A Houston(hou), no move received
A San Antonio(san) Supports F Corpus Christi(ccr)
A West Texas(wtx) Supports A Dallas(dal)

Thailand:
F Brunei(bru), no move received
F Gulf of Thailand(got) Convoys A Isthmus of Kra(kra) -
Riau(ria)
F Ho Chi Minh(ho), no move received
A Isthmus of Kra(kra) - Riau(ria)
F Kuala Lumpur(kua) Supports F Singapore(sng)
F Natuna Sea(ntu) Convoys A Isthmus of Kra(kra) - Riau(ria)
F Singapore(sng) Convoys A Isthmus of Kra(kra) - Riau(ria)
A Tibet(tib) - Xinjiang(xin)

Turkey:
F Armenia(arm) - Black Sea(bla) (*Fails*)
F Crete(cre) - Aegean Sea(aeg)
F Greece(gre) Supports F Crete(cre) - Aegean Sea(aeg)
A Izmir(izm) - Syria(syr)
A Rumania(rum) - L'viv(lvi) (*Dislodged*)
A Azerbaijan(aze) - Tabriz(tab)
A Baghdad(bag) Supports A Izmir(izm) - Syria(syr)

UnitedKingdom:
F Antilles(ant) Supports F Sargasso Sea(sar) - Mid North
Atlantic
Ocean(mna) (*Void*)
F Azores(azo) Supports F Antilles(ant) - Mid North Atlantic
Ocean(mna)
(*Void*)
F Baltic Sea(bal) Supports A Eastern Germany(egr) -
Warsaw(war)
F Denmark(den) - Eastern North Sea(ens)
A Eastern Germany(egr) - Warsaw(war)
F Iceland(ice) Supports F North Atlantic Ocean(nat) -
Norwegian Sea(nwg)
(*Void*)
F North Atlantic Ocean(nat) Supports F Labrador Sea(lab) -
Norwegian
Sea(nwg)
F Norway(nwy) - Barents Sea(bar)
F Sweden(swe) - Norway(nwy)
F Labrador Sea(lab) - Norwegian Sea(nwg)

UnitedStates:
F Sargasso Sea(sar) - Bahamas(bhm) (*Fails*)
F Norwegian Sea(nwg) - Western North Sea(wns)
A Atlanta(atl) Supports F South East Coast(sec) -
Miami(mia)
A Boston(bos) - New Brunswick(nb) (*Fails*)
F Carolinas(car) - South East Coast(sec)
F Halifax(hal) - Gulf of St Lawrence(gsl)
F Mid North Atlantic Ocean(mna) Hold
F North East Coast(nec) Supports F Carolinas(car) - South
East
Coast(sec)
F Newfoundland(nwf) Supports F Halifax(hal) - Gulf of St
Lawrence(gsl)
F South East Coast(sec) - Miami(mia)

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