You are no doubt younger than me. In the game you referred to #179 I proposed the draw. France gave up early which skewed the game. Note Germany with (4) centers was included while Italy w/ (6) was not. Based on play and Italy voted for it. In #176 I was offered to be in the tie and refused based on the fact I had came to the game late and in my opinion those in the tie deserved it.

Don't know why your getting your dander up. You are correct that I'm a goner and you will, due to the forbearance of France and Germany, be part of the tie. All I have done is expressed an opinion.

-Matt-


--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DC 180: Winter 1911 Adjucation
To: kelly058(at)verizon.net
Cc: "Mike Cox" <mickstagman(at)aol.com>, dc180(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Mikael Johansson" <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com>, "Alex MacBain" <wharf.rats117(at)gmail.com>, "Jorge Saralegui" <jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net>, "Archer Smith" <archer280(at)gmail.com>, "Steve Caponigri" <scaponig(at)yahoo.com>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 2:45 PM

Matt,

You make a lot of assumptions: that I'm younger than you, have been playing for a much shorter time than you, and that I don't deserve to be in this draw. Here are some of mine. Based on your record at DC, you're an average player, and consequently probably have only a vague sense of what goes on behind the scenes on a winning side. In fact, you have exactly one draw to your credit - and in that draw, you and another player who each had ten SCs shared the draw with a player who had four. Sounds eerily familiar to me - and I wonder if that sour memory has anything to do with your gracelessness?


I say gracelessness because you already expressed your uninformed but still valid opinion as to why I don't deserve to be in this draw several turns ago. In doing so, you implicitly said that Alex and Mikael are blind to something that's obvious to you. I would have thought that would give you pause, especially since Mikael is one of the top players at DC - maybe, just maybe, you are missing something. Nevertheless, there was your opinion out in the open for all to read and take in. Clearly neither of those players agreed with you. So here you are, your situation so far gone that you'll be eliminated regardless, giving it one last shot with nothing to gain, and not even putting forth the semblance of an argument... just whining, in your courteous way, because the rest of the game - the part that will no longer involve you - isn't working out in a way that you can comprehend.


Jorge




On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Matthew Kelly <kelly058(at)verizon.net ([email]kelly058(at)verizon.net[/email])> wrote:
[quote:31e781b89d] Jorge,

From the tenor of your e-mail I have probably been playing this game a lot longer than you have. I'm not disputing your post. What I am saying is that your play in this game, which I have looked at prior to my joining it, does not warrant your inclusion in the tie. Since playing on this site I have turned down my inclusion in a tie because I didn't think my play was good enough and to be included would detract from the good play of others. That is how I look at end games. Not asking you to agree with it just understand it. It comes with age.

-Matt-

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:31e781b89d]From: Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Subject: Re: DC 180: Winter 1911 Adjucation
To: kelly058(at)verizon.net ([email]kelly058(at)verizon.net[/email])
Cc: "Mike Cox" <mickstagman(at)aol.com ([email]mickstagman(at)aol.com[/email])>, dc180(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc180(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]), "Mikael Johansson" <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com ([email]m_don_j(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Alex MacBain" <wharf.rats117(at)gmail.com ([email]wharf.rats117(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Jorge Saralegui" <jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net ([email]jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net[/email])>, "Archer Smith" <archer280(at)gmail.com ([email]archer280(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Steve Caponigri" <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 12:37 PM


Matt,

Has it crossed your mind that I have to agree with you and vote against my own interests for your draw proposal to pass? And that this is your last turn before elimination? Why are you wasting your time - just hoping that I'll get squeezed out after you're gone? Who knows - that's a really strong, well-laid out argument you made. France and Germany have clearly seen some value in my contribution so far, but maybe they'll be swayed by your irrefutable logic and ask me to step aside. Then again, maybe someone will explain to you how this game is really played in an EGS.


Jorge

On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Matthew Kelly <kelly058(at)verizon.net ([email]kelly058(at)verizon.net[/email])> wrote:
[quote:31e781b89d] I will again put forward the following end-game proposal: France/Germany.
I'm sorry but Austria has done nothing to warrant being included in the win.

-Matt-

--- On Sun, 1/25/09, Steve Caponigri <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:31e781b89d]From: Steve Caponigri <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Subject: DC 180: Winter 1911 Adjucation
To: "Mike Cox" <mickstagman(at)aol.com ([email]mickstagman(at)aol.com[/email])>, dc180(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc180(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]), "Mikael Johansson" <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com ([email]m_don_j(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "Matt Kelly" <kelly058(at)verizon.net ([email]kelly058(at)verizon.net[/email])>, "Alex MacBain" <wharf.rats117(at)gmail.com ([email]wharf.rats117(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Jorge Saralegui" <jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net ([email]jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net[/email])>, "Archer Smith" <archer280(at)gmail.com ([email]archer280(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Steve Lytton" <stevelytton(at)gmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Date: Sunday, January 25, 2009, 7:55 AM


Spring orders due on Friday, Jan 31, at 23:59 GMT

Thanks!

Steve

Austria:
Build A Vienna
France:
Build A Marseilles
Germany:
Build waived
Build waived
Build waived
Russia:
Remove A Rumania
Turkey:
Build A Ankara

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