Given that I don't have to spend many a sleepless nights pondering how best to orchestrate the moves of my lone fleet which has been at port since I can remember, I have had some time to ponder this particular situation. The situation is clearly spelled out in the 1992 rule book, mirroring exactly what Trout outlines. It's just that the 2000 rule update muddies the water with unclear language. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for either army to disband on site, and the other to withdraw to Ruhr.

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 21:42
To: Ghostine, Jimmy
Cc: Rachael Jameson; DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results




Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.

HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.


I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.


Trout

On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:390c7d7e52] I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.


I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.



Sincerely
Jimmy

From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results




Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.

Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>


Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia

England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway

France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold

Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)

Italy:
F Smyrna Hold

Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)


Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.

Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.

-Rachael