| DC298 Fall 1922 Adjucation - untitled36 (Jun 10, 2010, 9:07 am) |
Hey all,
The war ends! Russia ends the game with 21(!) supply centers! I think we all knew the game would end this turn, but you all did a great job with a last ditch effort of trying to stop him. Thanks for sticking with it till the end. I'd love to see end of game summaries by everyone (not just the last remaining three players. I'm leaving on a week long trip come saturday, so I may have to send my EoG out after next week!
Thanks for a great game with a great group!
France:
F Edinburgh - North Sea (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Belgium
F Norwegian Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Picardy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Spain - Marseilles
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)
F Aegean Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Albania Supports A Trieste - Serbia
A Bulgaria - Constantinople
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Piedmont - Venice (*Fails*)
F Smyrna Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste - Serbia (*Fails*)
A Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)
Russia:
A Ankara Supports F Constantinople - Smyrna
F Belgium Hold
A Bohemia Supports A Tyrolia
A Budapest Supports A Serbia
A Burgundy - Paris
F Constantinople - Smyrna
A Denmark - London
A Kiel - Munich
F North Sea Convoys A Denmark - London
F Norway, no move received
A Paris - Brest
A Ruhr Supports F Belgium
A Rumania Supports A Serbia
A Serbia Hold
F Skagerrak Supports F North Sea
A Tyrolia Supports A Vienna
A Vienna Supports A Tyrolia
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| DC298 Fall 1922 Adjucation (Winter Blitz) DrSwordopolis Jun 10, 02:37 pm |
Wow! It's hard for me to believe this game has actually come to an end! It's definitely a bittersweet feeling for me - it's been the longest, most memorable and probably most enjoyable Dip game of my life, though I understand if the rest of you don't quite feel that way!
Alan, Clark - thanks for being such excellent adversaries. I really enjoyed matching wits with you; I'll play with you guys anytime.
Rob, Matt, Dale, GB - thanks for playing as well. And ummm, sorry for taking most of you out of the game... Yeah...
John (and Garry) - thanks for doing such a great job GMing. Like I said above, you can GM for me anytime... and maybe someday we'll get a chance to compete against each other.
I'll send out a proper EoG in the next couple of days. I just wanted to thank you all for such a great game.
-Nick
(Now to figure out if I have any chance at Rd1 champion under the tiebreaker rules...)
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:07 AM, John R <untitled36(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
The war ends! Russia ends the game with 21(!) supply centers! I think we all knew the game would end this turn, but you all did a great job with a last ditch effort of trying to stop him. Thanks for sticking with it till the end. I'd love to see end of game summaries by everyone (not just the last remaining three players. I'm leaving on a week long trip come saturday, so I may have to send my EoG out after next week!
Thanks for a great game with a great group!
France:
F Edinburgh - North Sea (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Belgium
F Norwegian Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Picardy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Spain - Marseilles
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)
F Aegean Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Albania Supports A Trieste - Serbia
A Bulgaria - Constantinople
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Piedmont - Venice (*Fails*)
F Smyrna Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste - Serbia (*Fails*)
A Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)
Russia:
A Ankara Supports F Constantinople - Smyrna
F Belgium Hold
A Bohemia Supports A Tyrolia
A Budapest Supports A Serbia
A Burgundy - Paris
F Constantinople - Smyrna
A Denmark - London
A Kiel - Munich
F North Sea Convoys A Denmark - London
F Norway, no move received
A Paris - Brest
A Ruhr Supports F Belgium
A Rumania Supports A Serbia
A Serbia Hold
F Skagerrak Supports F North Sea
A Tyrolia Supports A Vienna
A Vienna Supports A Tyrolia
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| DC298 Fall 1922 Adjucation (Winter Blitz) cl2849 Jun 10, 03:16 pm |
Thanks John for GMing! Congrats to Nick. EOG coming shortly.
CL
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:07 AM, John R <untitled36(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
Hey all,
The war ends! Russia ends the game with 21(!) supply centers! I think we all knew the game would end this turn, but you all did a great job with a last ditch effort of trying to stop him. Thanks for sticking with it till the end. I'd love to see end of game summaries by everyone (not just the last remaining three players. I'm leaving on a week long trip come saturday, so I may have to send my EoG out after next week!
Thanks for a great game with a great group!
France:
F Edinburgh - North Sea (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Belgium
F Norwegian Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Picardy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Spain - Marseilles
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)
F Aegean Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople
A Albania Supports A Trieste - Serbia
A Bulgaria - Constantinople
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Piedmont - Venice (*Fails*)
F Smyrna Supports A Bulgaria - Constantinople (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste - Serbia (*Fails*)
A Venice - Trieste (*Fails*)
Russia:
A Ankara Supports F Constantinople - Smyrna
F Belgium Hold
A Bohemia Supports A Tyrolia
A Budapest Supports A Serbia
A Burgundy - Paris
F Constantinople - Smyrna
A Denmark - London
A Kiel - Munich
F North Sea Convoys A Denmark - London
F Norway, no move received
A Paris - Brest
A Ruhr Supports F Belgium
A Rumania Supports A Serbia
A Serbia Hold
F Skagerrak Supports F North Sea
A Tyrolia Supports A Vienna
A Vienna Supports A Tyrolia
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| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting - FuzzyLogic (Jun 10, 2010, 7:17 am) |
Right, it wouldn't be Storytime w/o the ceremonial throwing up of arms by Hoffman.
I love your arguments Mike. Ogres take 2 centers and it's "securing their lines". Rogues take one center publicly stated, and it's "advanced".
What would you have me do? Do you want everyone to order Holds? I'm going to order my units, and you are going to order yours.
Oh yeah, and this message you post? It comes 10 minutes after you write me 4 paragraphs privately going over how you want me to suggest moves to stab the Trolls and Faeries and get a 2-way. Offer the world, give nothing, get someone to stab somoene. It is a good strategy Mike, tho now it's just boring and repetitive.
Once you refused the DIAS I suggested that we could have actually forced thru, I think this whole strategy of yours lost its impact.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 12:12 AM
To: Garry Bledsoe
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson[Reply] |
| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting - offdisc (Jun 10, 2010, 12:12 am) |
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
DIAS Proposal Fails
But Fret Not, There is a New DIAS Proposal for Spring 21
And, Since Slaughter is Officially Going to Be 21, I Guess It Can Drink Leprechaun Ale!
Undead and Faeries Lose a Center to the Ogres (Although in the Ogres Defense, One
WAS Previously an Ogre Center)
Some Confusion on the High Seas? (literally!)
Well there is little of note that actually occurred. The majority of the orders looked eerily familiar...
However, we do have the semi-annual excitement of the DIAS vote that fails again and the like 13th one is proposed anew. And we have confusion? on the High Seas as a Rogue ship gently bounces the Trolls out and thus they require a retreat.
The High Seas can retreat to any number of places so just let me know where they should go.
Pending the receipt of the retreat of the High Seas, let's set adjustments due by Friday June 11th at 6pm. Ironically I will be going to see Shrek that night...
Adjustments will be (assuming a Troll retreat in lieu of OTB):
Faeries remove 1
Rogues build 1
Ogres build 2
We will then move to Spring with a deadline of the 15th of June at 6pm CST.
GM NOTE: I had a late request to move the deadline. I decided not to because I did not get a requested date for the extension to end and I could not hold up any more. I did NOT look at orders prior to making that decision because I did not want my decision influenced.
Garry
Faeries:
A Llyr Hold
F Loxley Supports A Llyr
F Hundred Acre Wood Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Ivory Tower Supports F Myth Drannor
F Myth Drannor Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F Groves of Academe Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Elephant Graveyard Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Starkadh Supports A Eridu
A Eridu Supports A Starkadh
A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns (*Fails*)
A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
F CHURNING REACH Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - EAST MIRIANIC OCEAN
F RUGGED COAST Supports F RIFT CANYON
F RIFT CANYON Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F RAZORS EDGE Supports F RIFT CANYON
Ogres:
A Mount Nimro Hold
A Carpantha Supports A Khaz Modan
A Undermountain Supports A Yggdrasil
A Mordor Supports A Rohan
A Rohan Supports A Mordor
A Lindon Supports A Rohan
F Knockshegowna Supports F THE MAW
A Baldurs Gate Supports A Yuirwood
A Faerun - Waterdeep
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Great Glacier Supports F RIVER OF THE DAWN
A Zhentil Keep Supports F Great Glacier
A Merrow - Lubrick
F Allerleirauh Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
A Golgafrincham Supports A Lindon
A Brandywine Supports A Rohan
F Kara-Tur Supports A Baldurs Gate
A Yuirwood Supports A Mordor
A Dragon Coast Supports F Great Glacier
A Pwyll Supports F Great Glacier
A Khaz Modan Supports A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre
A Hidden Grotto Supports A Khaz Modan
A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
A Yggdrasil Supports A Hidden Grotto
A Hollow Earth Supports A Mount Nimro
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
F THE MAW Supports F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
F THUNDERHEAD Convoys A Necronomicon - Myrtle
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F Great Glacier
F ROARING RAPIDS - Caer
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Supports F Terabithia
Pirates:
F Fantastica Hold
F Riku Hold
A Pans Labyrinth Hold
F Travers Town Hold
A Slightly Gulch Hold
A Duloc Hold
F Rivendell Hold
F The High Way Hold
F RESTLESS WATERS Hold
F GULF OF LUHN Hold
Rogues:
A GuTanoth Hold
A Tumnus Hold
A To-Gai-Ru Hold
A The Silver city Hold
F Skullcap Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk (*Cut*)
A Everglot Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F Skellington - Necronomicon (*Fails*)
F Cathal Hold
F The Julianthes - ALL SAINTS BAY
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
F Darken Wood(sc) Hold
A Palmaris - Istar
F Timberlands Supports A Palmaris - Istar
A River Saeren Supports A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns
A Tymwyvenne Supports A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre
F SUNLESS SEA Hold
F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F MERMAIDS LAGOON Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington (*Fails*)
F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS Convoys A Palmaris - Istar
F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Terabithia (*Fails*)
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ZEBOIMS DEEP (*Fails*)
Trolls:
F Khemri Supports A Newa River
A Newa River Hold
A Sorrows End Supports A Cave of Ordeals
A Kahvi Hold
F Ansalon Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Never Never Land Supports F SEA OF FALLEN STARS
A Gwynir Hold
A Sleepy Hollow Supports A Gwynir
A Abby Normal Hold
A Sables Swamp Hold
F HIGH SEAS Hold (*Dislodged*)
F WAY THE HECK Supports F Ansalon
F RIVER STYX Supports F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington
F BABEL BEACH Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Hold
Undead:
A The Old Gristmill Supports A Pwyll
F Terabithia Supports A The Old Gristmill (*Cut*)
A Istar - Skullcap (*Disbanded*)
F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
A Necronomicon - Myrtle
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| DC-322 Winter 827 - TheWhiteWolf (Jun 09, 2010, 9:47 pm) |
Guys, Sorry this is coming out so late in the evening. Three fleets are scuttled, three more are commissioned, and three armies are raised.
Players:
Anglos Steve "BD" Emmert <steve.emmert(at)cox.net>Bretons Darren McAdam-OConnell <dmcaoc(at)gmail.com>Scots Mike Morris <mikemorris101(at)yahoo.com>Danes Frank Bielschowsky <dipcorp.player(at)gmail.com>Gaels Scott "Packrat"
Troemel <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>Norse Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>Swedes Chris "DQ" Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com>
Orders:
Gaels: Remove F North ChannelRemove F Manx Sea
Scots: Build F CircinnBuild F Cait
Bretons: Remove
F Dyfed
Norse: Build A Vestfold
Swedes: Build F Lappland(wc)Build A GotarBuild A Svear
Disposition (Units/SCs):
Gaels: (3/3)Armies - MerFleets - Ato, Cab
Scots: (8/ Armies - Cai, Cir, Con, Iom, StrFleets - Dal, Uls, Zet
Bretons: (4/4)Armies - Gwy, Ham, HwiFleets - Som(sc)
Norse: (5/5)Fleets - Lhm, Nth, Skg, Ves, Wfc
AngloSaxons: (4/4)Armies - Cor, ManFleets - Ech, Dei
Danes: (4/4)Armies - AusFleets - Arh, Jel(ec), Vib
Swedes: (9/9)Armies - Alv, Got, Rer, SveFleets - Bal, Bor, Lap(wc), Ros, Skn
Deadline:Spring 828 is due Wednesday, 16 June at 6pm EDT (10pm GMT).
Any questions or complaints, bring them to my attention as soon as possible.Maps and RealPolitik file are attached.
Cheers, Andy I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/[Reply] |
| DC-322 Winter 827 (dc322) TheWhiteWolf Jun 14, 07:47 pm |
Guys, It's just been pointed out to me that I made a minor oversight in this adjudication. I listed the Scots builds correctly in the Orders section as two fleets, but I placed those two units, in the Disposition section, under the Armies heading. The Builds section is right, the Disposition is wrong. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused, and I'm glad it was brought to my attention so I could clear it up.
Andy
I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/
From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
To: Andrew Jameson <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Ben Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com>; Darren McAdam-OConnell <dmcaoc(at)gmail.com>; DC322 Forum <dc322(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; Frank Bielschowsky <dipcorp.player(at)gmail.com>; Mike Morris <mikemorris101(at)yahoo.com>; Scott Troemel <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Emmert <steve.emmert(at)cox.net>
Sent: Wed, June 9, 2010 10:47:20 PM
Subject: DC-322 Winter 827
Guys, Sorry this is coming out so late in the evening. Three fleets are scuttled, three more are commissioned, and three armies are raised.
Players:
Anglos Steve "BD" Emmert
<steve.emmert(at)cox.net>Bretons Darren McAdam-OConnell <dmcaoc(at)gmail.com>Scots Mike Morris <mikemorris101(at)yahoo.com>Danes Frank Bielschowsky <dipcorp.player(at)gmail.com>Gaels Scott "Packrat"
Troemel <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>Norse Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>Swedes Chris "DQ" Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com>
Orders:
Gaels: Remove F North ChannelRemove F Manx Sea
Scots: Build F CircinnBuild F Cait
Bretons: Remove
F Dyfed
Norse: Build A Vestfold
Swedes: Build F Lappland(wc)Build A GotarBuild A Svear
Disposition (Units/SCs):
Gaels: (3/3)Armies - MerFleets - Ato, Cab
Scots: (8/Armies - Cai, Cir, Con, Iom, StrFleets - Dal, Uls, Zet
Bretons: (4/4)Armies - Gwy, Ham, HwiFleets - Som(sc)
Norse: (5/5)Fleets - Lhm, Nth,
Skg, Ves, Wfc
AngloSaxons: (4/4)Armies - Cor, ManFleets - Ech, Dei
Danes: (4/4)Armies - AusFleets -
Arh, Jel(ec), Vib
Swedes: (9/9)Armies - Alv, Got, Rer, SveFleets - Bal, Bor, Lap(wc), Ros, Skn
Deadline:Spring 828 is due Wednesday, 16 June at 6pm EDT (10pm GMT).
Any questions or complaints, bring them to my attention as soon as possible.Maps and RealPolitik file are attached.
Cheers, Andy I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/ |
| 1648 091010: Winter 1659 Retreats/Adjustments - charlesf (Jun 09, 2010, 9:29 pm) |
Hallo zusammen,
let me start with the first order of business: All draw proposals failed.
I'm glad we're on track. In recent days I've had a friendly and
enlightening conversation with Mike Sims and Mike Hoffman about various aspects
of house rules and GMing policy. While not too long after having started this
game I recognised that my policy on NMRs was too strict, I was reluctant to
change it mid-stream since players had signed up having considered the house
rules I had at that point provided. Mike Sims' view however that a GM ought
not have scruples about unilaterally altering his GMing policy during
a game and I've now warmed to that idea. While I don't think one ought to
alter a policy once an acute issue arises (as was the case last Friday),
freed of a particular case being at hand:
I'm now according each player two
six-hour grace periods for the remainder of the game that may be made use
of if a deadline's missed.
This actually is how I handle things in my 1936 game I'm
running. While I do want to avoid NMRs as I consider them a bane of the
game (especially playtests) rather than a legitimate part of the game (here
Mike Sims and I differ), a more lenient standard serves both the players and the
game better. Not like I felt happy about replacing a generally very
reliable player.
As I gain more experience in running games, my thinking on how to
do stuff and how best to avoid certain pitfalls evolves. Live and learn.
Okay, 'nuff of this GM-navel-gazing...
Note the below French press. If ole Henri IV once said that "Paris was
worth a mass", his present successor plainly seems to be of the opinion that
"Aachen's worth getting rid of mass!" A Protestant on the French and Imperial
thrones? Hell has officially frozen over... No wonder the Holy Inquisition's
confused...
The Spring 1660 Moves due Monday, 14 June 6 PM
CET. So prelims please on Saturday. I trust that the shift back to a
Monday/Wednesday routine works for you all. If not, let me know.
Liebe Grüsse,
Charles
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PLAYERS:
AUSTRIA: Nick Powell <nick.s.powell(at)gmail.com>
DENMARK-NORWAY: Marc
Ellinger <mellinger(at)blitzbardgett.com> (eliminated Winter
1653)
ENGLAND: Harvey Morris <hmtucaz(at)gmail.com>
FRANCE: Nigel Phillips <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com>
POLAND-LITHUANIA: Jorge
Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>
RUSSIA: Mikael Johansson <m_don_j(at)hotmail.com> (eliminated Winter 1650)
SPAIN: Dirk Knemeyer <dirk(at)knemeyer.com>
SWEDEN: Matthew Kelly
<kelly058(at)verizon.net> (joined Winter 1652, eliminated Fall
165
TURKEY: Aidan
Slattery <AiSlattery(at)aol.com>
PROCLAMATIONS:
o RETREATING TURKISH AND AUSTRIAN FORCES RUN INTO
ANOTHER IN SILESIA, BOTH FORCES DISINTEGRATE IN ALL CONFUSION AND DISASTER
FRENCH PRESS:
Louis moves capital to Aachen (Rhineland-Westphalia) and renames the nation
the Empire of all the Franks and Germans. Accepts Protestant faith, due to the
complicity of the Pope with the Sultan.
Charles II of Scotland, Prince of Wales tries to reach accommodation with
the Commonwealth of England and Lordship of Ireland.
Sons of William Tell resistance group vow to fight the Hapsburgs - they may
have started in Switzerland, but they have no role their now.
Pope living in peace under the Sultan - Inquisition very confused.
RETREATS:
Austria:
A Saxony - Silesia (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
A Greater Poland - Silesia (*Bounce*)
ADJUSTMENTS:
Austria:
Build A Vienna
England:
Remove A Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Rhineland-Westphalia
Poland-Lithuania:
Build A Prussia
Build A Warsaw
Turkey:
Build A Belgrade
Build A Damascus
SUPPLY CENTER OWNERSHIP
(Winter 1659):
Austria(7+1-1=7): Bavaria, Brandenburg, Prague, -Saxony-,
+Switzerland+, Trieste, Venice, Vienna.
England(5+1-2=4): Abo,
-Christiania-, +Flanders+, Ireland, London, -Stockholm-.
France(15+1-3=13):
Brest, Bristol, Copenhagen, -Flanders-, Holstein, Lorraine, Lower Saxony,
Mecklenburg, Paris, Rhineland-Westphalia, -Savoy-, +Saxony+, Scotland,
Swabia, -Switzerland-, United Provinces.
Poland-Lithuania(11+2=13):
+Christiania+, Courland, Cracow, Moscow, Novgorod, Prussia, Riga, Stettin,
+Stockholm+, Turkestan, Vilna, Voronezh,
Warsaw.
Spain(7+1-1=7): Algiers, Madrid, Marseilles, Morocco, Portugal,
+Savoy+, Seville, -Tunis-.
Turkey(13+1=14): Belgrade, Candia,
Constantinople, Crimea, Damascus, Moldavia, Naples, Papal States, Persia,
Transylvania, +Tunis+, Tuscany, Ukraine, Wallachia.
DEADLINE SCHEDULE:
(all orders are due NLT 6PM CET (i.e. GMT+1)...not local
time)
o Spring 1660 Moves: (12) 14
ORDERS MAP:[Reply] |
| (DC 324) A Stab in the Dark - Autumn 1906 Results - Corrino (Jun 09, 2010, 9:10 pm) |
Hi Players,
This year we say "Good-bye" to our second player. Germany has been eliminated, as most of you probably surmised from yesterday's results. Good luck to our Kaiser in his new career in scrap metal!
As always, your individual reports have retreat and adjustment info that you need. Here are the current SC counts for all countries at the end of 1906.
COUNTRY SC
Austria 0 ... eliminated 1903
England 10
France 7
Germany 0 ... eliminated 1906
Italy 4
Russia 2
Turkey 11
==================================================
NEXT DEADLINE:
Winter 1906/Spring 1907 are due Friday, June 11, at 8 pm Eastern
time. If all orders are in and marked Final I may adjudicate 24 hours earlier.
HOWEVER... If I do not receive orders from Italy I will not NMR him again but will instead seek a replacement. One NMR can have a significant effect on the game. Two in a row would damage it severely, in my opinion.
Cheers,
Chris[Reply] |
| DC319: Winter 1939 Retreats/Adjustments - charlesf (Jun 09, 2010, 8:09 pm) |
Hallo zusammen,
I'm afraid I managed to mislabel the past season's adjucation. Apparently
nobody noticed though - or at least didn't point out that goof-up of mine.
Clearly my brain had already moved on to retreats/adjustments in the fall.
:p
Of course, now you're getting the real deal!
Apparently it's a rather good time to be a navy contractor. For three grand
new battleships were baptised with great fanfare, while army generals seem to
have had less success clamouring for more war matériel. Quite a different
picture from say Winter 1936, when a mere 9% of new armaments investment went
into naval buildup (one fleet, ten armies). Nowadays the admirals have their
hands on 60% of naval expenditure, obviously with a mind to catching up with the
terrestrial services armaments head-start... I wonder how it's being financed...
In Germany, prior to WW1 a tax on champagne was introduced to help finance
Tirpitz's naval armaments programme. Yep, drinking sparkling wine was a most
patriotic endeavour back then.
We now also have our first draw proposal on the table:
- a British-German-Italian-Polish-Turkish five-way draw
The deadline for voting on it will coincide with the coming spring
deadline.
As I trust some of you know, there's now also a second 1936 game afoot
(DC330). Dirk's trying his hand at GMing and yours truly has entered the fray
championing the Fatherland. Hooray, I actually get to play one of my variants!
 If you want to observe the game, I suggest you drop our Duce a
note.
Anyway, I've taken the liberty of adding DC330's players to the observer
list of this game. Guys, let me know if you don't want to see what these DC319
blokes are up to!
The Spring 1940 Moves are due NLT 6PM CET on Monday, 14
June. So please send my your prelims no later than
Saturday.
Liebe Grüsse,
Charles
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PLAYERS:
BRITAIN: Michael Thompson
<psychosis(at)sky.com>
FRANCE: Joao Queiros
<jlqueiros3(at)hotmail.com>
GERMANY: Ghostine, Jimmy
<Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
ITALY & NAT. SPAIN: Dirk Knemeyer
dirk(at)knemeyer.com
POLAND: Kyle Overby-Lee
<tomjnkns.IL(at)gmail.com>
SOVIET UNION & REP. SPAIN: Nigel
Phillips <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com> (eliminated
Winter 193
TURKEY: Repu Maoni
<wesaq(at)list.ru>
HEADLINES:
o ADMIRALS GET GREATER PIECE OF THE
CAKE
PRESS:
PIC OF THE DAY: Finnish machine gun crew in the
Winter War 1939-40.
QUOTE OF THE DAY: "War is the
province of uncertainty; three-fourths of the things on which action in war is
based lie hidden in the fog of uncertainty." -Karl von Clausewitz
RETREATS:
Turkey:
disband A Croatia
A Rumania - Dobruja
Portugal:
disband F Portugal
ADJUSTMENTS:
Italy:
Build A Milan
Poland:
Build A Cracow
Build F Latvia
Turkey:
Build F Izmir
Nationalist_Spain:
Build F Valencia
SUPPLY CENTER OWNERSHIP (Winter 1939):
Britain(6+1-1=6): Belgium,
+Brest+, -Edinburgh-, Liverpool, London, Netherlands,
Tripoli.
France(2+1-1=2): -Brest-, +Edinburgh+,
Paris.
Germany(: Austria, Berlin,
Czechia, Denmark, Hamburg, Hungary, Munich, Sweden.
Italy(5+1=6): Algiers, +Croatia+, Milan, Naples, Rome,
Switzerland.
Poland(8+2=10): Cracow, Finland, Gdynia,
Latvia, Leningrad, Lithuania, Moscow, +Norway+, +Rumania+,
Warsaw.
Turkey(13-2=11): Ankara, Beirut, Bulgaria,
-Croatia-, Greece, Iraq, Istanbul, Izmir, Persia, -Rumania-, Serbia, Stalingrad,
Suez.
Nationalist Spain(4+1=5):
Burgos, Madrid, Marseille, +Portugal+, Valencia.
Neutrals(4-2=2): Egypt, Morocco, -Norway-, -Portugal-.
DEADLINE SCHEDULE: (all orders are due NLT 6PM
CET (GMT+1)...not local time)
o Spring 1940 Moves: (12) 14 June
o Summer 1940 Retreats: 16 June
o Fall 1940 Moves: (19) 21
June
o Winter 1940 Retreats/Adjustments: 23
June
MAP:[Reply] |
| (DC 326) Gumball - Spring 1903 Results - Corrino (Jun 09, 2010, 8:07 pm) |
Hey there, Gumballers!
Thanks to all for getting their orders in on time. So far we're perfect with zero NMR's. Keep it up!
Spring 1903 saw an interesting mix of daggers and dancing. My personal favorite moments were:
. Russia forcing the Turkish fleet in Rumania to retreat to one of his home Supply Centers.
. Solid defense by the English and the Turks succeeds in saving Denmark and Bulgaria, respectively.
. French and Italian fleets prepare, perhaps, to call at exotic foreign ports; and
. France and Russia meet unexpectedly in the Italian Alps and exchange small talk whilst their Italian hosts are nowhere to be seen.
We have only one retreat required (Turkish F Rumania) and only one spot available for its retreat (Sevastopol) so that
retreat has been made automatically. If the Sultan would prefer to retreat his unit off the board instead, he need only contact me within 24 hours and I will relay his decision to everyone.
Our next deadline is Fall 1903 on Wednesday, June 16, at 8 pm Eastern US time.
Please check the adjudication below and let me know promptly if there are any errors.
Cheers,
Chris
Orders as resolved:
============================================
Austria:
A Budapest Supports A Vienna
A Serbia - Bulgaria (*Bounce*)
F Trieste Hold
A Vienna Supports A Budapest
England:
F Denmark Supports F London - North Sea (*Cut*)
F English Channel Supports A Paris - Belgium (*Void*)
F Liverpool - North Atlantic Ocean
F London - North Sea
F Skagerrak Supports F London - North Sea
A Sweden Supports F Denmark
France:
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Irish Sea
A Paris -
Brest
A Portugal - Spain
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany:
F Baltic Sea Supports F Helgoland Bight - Denmark
F Helgoland Bight - Denmark (*Fails*)
A Holland - Belgium
A Munich Supports A Ruhr - Kiel
A Ruhr - Kiel
Italy:
A Albania Supports F Greece
F Greece Supports A Serbia - Bulgaria (*Cut*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Western Mediterranean
F Ionian Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
F Naples - Ionian Sea
Russia:
F Black Sea - Rumania
A Bohemia - Tyrolia
A Galicia Supports F Black Sea - Rumania
A Ukraine Supports F Black Sea - Rumania
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Fails*)
F Ankara Supports F Rumania - Black Sea
A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Bounce*)
F Rumania - Black Sea (*Dislodged*)
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| DC327 - Spring 2 adjudication - bielf11 (Jun 09, 2010, 6:24 pm) |
Well, that went much quicker than anticipated. The error was mine, not RP's.
So here it is. Spring 2 brings bad news for Messenia and Aetolia who face retreats.
Notice the deadline change to the early hours (at least mine) on Saturday.
Adjudication
-------------------
Aetolia:
A arcania - proschium
A callium - anticyra (*Bounce*)
F calydon - prian rhium
A doris - anticyra (*Bounce*)
F phocis Hold (*Dislodged*)
Boeotia:
A corsea Supports A opus - phocis
A delion - opus
A helicon Supports A opus - phocis
F locris - sinus corinthiucus
A opus - phocis
Attica:
A athenae - eleusis
F byzantium - marmora sinus
F caria - rhodius sinus
F laconicus sinus Hold
A megara - thebae
Arcolia:
F argulicus sinus Supports F laconicus sinus
A corinth - orchenenus
F epidaurus(sc) Supports A mycenae - argos
A mycenae - argos (*Bounce*)
A pellea Supports A corinth - orchenenus
Laconia:
A cyn. - argos (*Bounce*)
F koidaunas Supports F prastos - laconicus sinus
F prastos - laconicus sinus (*Fails*)
A sparta Supports A tegea
A tegea Supports A cyn. - argos
Messenia:
F cypurissius sinus Hold (*Dislodged*)
A ira - lycaion
A maniana Supports A megalopolis
A megalopolis Supports A ira - lycaion
A messena - ira
Elia:
A achaia - kaphyae
F italus sinus Supports F pisatis - cypurissius sinus
F pisatis - cypurissius sinus
A protilae Supports A achaia - kaphyae
Retreats
------------
Messenian F cypurissius sinus can retreat to pylos or khora or
triphylia or messeniacus sinus or zazynthus sinus. Or OTB.
Aetolian F phocis can retreat to locris. Or OTB.
Summer retreats deadline is Saturday Jun 12 at 8AM GMT.
If I receive the retreat orders earlier as final I will run the adjudication rightaway.
Frank[Reply] |
| DC327 - S2 adjudication delayed - bielf11 (Jun 09, 2010, 6:06 pm) |
Gentlemen,
the adjudication of S2 will be delayed by 48 hrs as I found another error in the map's adjacent areas.
Need to correct that first before running the adjudication.
Frank[Reply] |
| dc325 Imterra - S03 Russian Generosity - garry.bledsoe (Jun 09, 2010, 5:47 pm) |
Russia Helps Austria to the Two Remaining Turk Centers Italy Convoys to GreeceEngland/Germany Destroy a Russian Fleet
All,We have only two retreats - F Con can go to AEG or OTB and A Smy can go to Syr or Arm. I will give until Friday the 11th at 6pm for those and we will have a Fall 03 deadline for next Tuesday at 6pm CST.
Garry
Austria: F Aegean Sea - SmyrnaA Bohemia - Silesia (*Fails*)A Bulgaria - ConstantinopleA Serbia - Trieste (*Fails*)A Trieste - Vienna (*Fails*)A Vienna - Bohemia (*Fails*)
England: F London - North SeaF North Sea - SkagerrakF Norway Supports F North Sea - SkagerrakF Norwegian Sea Supports F Norway
France: A Belgium Supports A BurgundyF Brest - Mid-Atlantic OceanA Burgundy Supports A MunichA Gascony - MarseillesF Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western MediterraneanA Picardy Supports A Belgium
Germany: A Berlin - SilesiaF Denmark Supports F North Sea - SkagerrakA Holland - RuhrF Kiel - Baltic Sea (*Bounce*)A Munich Supports A Berlin - Silesia
Italy: A Apulia - GreeceF Ionian Sea Convoys A Apulia - GreeceA Tyrolia - PiedmontF Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
Russia: A Ankara Supports F Aegean Sea - SmyrnaF Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - ConstantinopleA Finland - SwedenF Gulf of Bothnia - Baltic Sea (*Bounce*)F Skagerrak Supports A Finland - Sweden (*Disbanded*)A St Petersburg - LivoniaA Warsaw - Prussia
Turkey: F Constantinople Hold (*Dislodged*)A Smyrna Hold (*Dislodged*)
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| Balkans 1860 Revisions - Stage 1 (Long Version) - Kenshi777 (Jun 09, 2010, 2:38 pm) |
Hi Allen and all, please see comments inserted below with ***
I think some of this is going too far.
1 - Does the new Austrian position in Kolosvar force Austrian/Romanian
conflict too much, or can it also help them attack Serbia together?
Too much, and Romania has almost the same advantage, just needs to
drive AH out of Kolosvar. Also may weaken AH so Serbia attacks with
Italy almost inevitably. My temptation as AH would be to cede Kol to
Rumania and elicit a juggernaut.
***Hm. That would be undesirable. I was fairly convinced the Turkish
F Sev was a good thing, but not so much about Austria gaining
Kolosvar. So okay, Austrian A Kolosvar will be removed. Instead, I
will consolidate Budapest and Pecs to give the Austrians more freedom
to swing forces from east to west rapidly.***
2 - Does the new Turkish position in Sevastopol allow the Turks the
option to work with or against the Romanians? (ideally, DMZing BeC
and Ode is a good option, and R/T could attack B together?) Or the
Turks could join in a dogpile on the Romanians.
This I actually like, but I think encourages Ottoman-Rumania alliance
and reduces the chance of Bulgaria surviving. Maybe I was wrong about
this, now that I look at this map, Sev seems like an open center.
***Hm - perhaps. But aren't the Bulgarians pretty strong now? They
were weak before, granted - but they stand a very strong chance of
gaining three SCs in the first year in either of the two openings
below:
F Brg - Var
A Plo - Edi
A Sof - Rus
or
F Brg S A Plo - Edi
A Plo - Edi
A Sof - Rus
We also have yet to see a real Bulgarian/Ottoman alliance, but I think
it would be a powerhouse, and the Ottomans have a lot of really good
reasons to help the Bulgarians against Romania with F Sev in exchange
for support against Greece. All that to say - I think B/O is every
bit as much of a good juggernaut as R/O would be with the addition of
F Sev. B/G should work well too, a strong threat to Ottoman survival,
though by design Greece should favor going after Italy unless Bulgaria
is committed to their cause against the Ottomans.***
3 - Are Austria and Serbia now somewhat more inclined to work together
with SC Sarajevo removed, and the new opportunities against Romania
(offset slightly by increased tension over Agram). Concerned that I
hurt Serbia too much by removing Sarajevo - should I restore it and
remove something else?
Without SC Sarajevo Serbia has no easy task and could face a 6 center
Austria...is there a way to divide Agram a little by cutting of it's
southern jut and making that part either a territory or SC? Agram
would still touch the sea, but there'd be something between Agram and
Cetinje. Maybe that alone would reduce the tensions. Leave Sarajevo
as a SC.
***That's the way it was in Rev1 - for this draft, I removed Spalato,
which separated Cetinje from Agram, but virtually guaranteed Agram
went to the Austrians. That was the problem though - if the Austrians
usually guarantee Agram, and the Serbs usually guarantee Sarajevo,
that leaves them staring each other down at the beginning of the
second year.
Another option is to go back to the first draft and make Nis an open
SC, but detach the bottom part to make a buffer (non SC) territory
between Nis and Sofia (called Vranje). Then the question becomes
whether Nis or Kragujevac should be the Serb home SC. I'm thinking
Nis - to allow an option to play for the new Craiova SC. I'm trying
to achieve the dynamic where Austria and Serbia can bounce each other
with fleets in Agram at least in the Spring, and Serbia isn't pushed
right up to the Austrian border in Sarajevo. *That* is a big part of
what leads to the forced conflict I think.
One more wild option - Cetinje was actually the capital of independent
Montenegro, a Serbian ally. I could make *that* an open SC, and house
the Serbs in Nis (split as above), Kragujevac, and Beograd. But that
leaves the Serbs without any sea port home SC - so I then need to
either switch the variant to chaos builds (which I don't want to do)
or accept that Serbia will be completely removed from the fight in
Italy (which I don't want either). Or I could drastically (and
ahistorically) redraw the borders to give Serbia another seaport.
Thoughts on both these options? (the last is reflected on the new
draft map, along with a new SC in Prizren and a move of SC Agram to
Spalato (with redraw)***
Maybe Mike's right, the map needs another playtest before this serious
of an edit. Putting units in Sev and Kol may be too much.
***I disagree - I gleaned a lot of useful information out of this
playtest, and am convinced there are some glaring flaws that need to
be addressed. Besides - this variant is young by most standards -
only born in 2008, and only been through one revision so far. Ancient
Med went through 9 full revisions, with other minor tweaks in between
- and that's what makes it one of the best and most balanced variants
out there today.
That said - I think you and Mike have talked me out of the Austrian
addition of Kolosvar as a starting SC. Still looking at the Serbian
thing - hope to hear some good feedback on the changes shown on the
attached map. Includes some revisions that almost made the cut for
Rev1, but were removed at the last second. It can be prettied up
later, but just trying to show the new SC tweaks and border redraws
for now.
One more miscellaneous change (not yet shown on the draft map) -
Myrtoan Sea - does anyone think that serves a good purpose? Or should
I just consolidate it with Ionian Sea?
Also - just for your amusement, I attached a list of thoughts I had
after the Spring 1860 opening moves in this game. Most of my
predictions were off, but it makes for an interesting read...
And for Nigel - just found out Spalato (Split), which is now an SC,
was also a Greek colony - so you can add it to your target list next
time ***
Thanks!
B.
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| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting - LadyDay (Jun 09, 2010, 2:08 pm) |
I will be away for a day and a half (tomorrow afternoon and Friday). As I have no adjustments to
make, that shouldn't change any deadlines.
Garry Bledsoe a ?crit :
*DIAS Proposal Fails*
*But Fret Not, There is a New DIAS Proposal for Spring 21*
*And, Since Slaughter is Officially Going to Be 21, I Guess It Can Drink
Leprechaun Ale!*
*Undead and Faeries Lose a Center to the Ogres (Although in the Ogres
Defense, One*
* WAS Previously an Ogre Center)*
*Some Confusion on the High Seas? (literally!)*
Well there is little of note that actually occurred. The majority of the
orders looked eerily familiar...
However, we do have the semi-annual excitement of the DIAS vote that
fails again and the like 13th one is proposed anew. And we
have confusion? on the High Seas as a Rogue ship gently bounces the
Trolls out and thus they require a *retreat*.
The High Seas can retreat to any number of places so just let me know
where they should go.
*Pending the receipt of the retreat of the High Seas, let's set
adjustments due by Friday June 11th at 6pm*. Ironically I will be going
to see Shrek that night...
Adjustments will be (assuming a Troll retreat in lieu of OTB):
Faeries remove 1
Rogues build 1
Ogres build 2
We will then move to *Spring with a deadline of the 15th of June at 6pm
CST.*
**
GM NOTE: I had a late request to move the deadline. I decided not to
because I did not get a requested date for the extension to end and I
could not hold up any more. I did NOT look at orders prior to making
that decision because I did not want my decision influenced.
Garry
Faeries:
A Llyr Hold
F Loxley Supports A Llyr
F Hundred Acre Wood Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Ivory Tower Supports F Myth Drannor
F Myth Drannor Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F Groves of Academe Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Elephant Graveyard Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Starkadh Supports A Eridu
A Eridu Supports A Starkadh
A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns (*Fails*)
A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
F CHURNING REACH Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - EAST MIRIANIC OCEAN
F RUGGED COAST Supports F RIFT CANYON
F RIFT CANYON Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F RAZORS EDGE Supports F RIFT CANYON
Ogres:
A Mount Nimro Hold
A Carpantha Supports A Khaz Modan
A Undermountain Supports A Yggdrasil
A Mordor Supports A Rohan
A Rohan Supports A Mordor
A Lindon Supports A Rohan
F Knockshegowna Supports F THE MAW
A Baldurs Gate Supports A Yuirwood
A Faerun - Waterdeep
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Great Glacier Supports F RIVER OF THE DAWN
A Zhentil Keep Supports F Great Glacier
A Merrow - Lubrick
F Allerleirauh Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
A Golgafrincham Supports A Lindon
A Brandywine Supports A Rohan
F Kara-Tur Supports A Baldurs Gate
A Yuirwood Supports A Mordor
A Dragon Coast Supports F Great Glacier
A Pwyll Supports F Great Glacier
A Khaz Modan Supports A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre
A Hidden Grotto Supports A Khaz Modan
A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
A Yggdrasil Supports A Hidden Grotto
A Hollow Earth Supports A Mount Nimro
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
F THE MAW Supports F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
F THUNDERHEAD Convoys A Necronomicon - Myrtle
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F Great Glacier
F ROARING RAPIDS - Caer
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Supports F Terabithia
Pirates:
F Fantastica Hold
F Riku Hold
A Pans Labyrinth Hold
F Travers Town Hold
A Slightly Gulch Hold
A Duloc Hold
F Rivendell Hold
F The High Way Hold
F RESTLESS WATERS Hold
F GULF OF LUHN Hold
Rogues:
A GuTanoth Hold
A Tumnus Hold
A To-Gai-Ru Hold
A The Silver city Hold
F Skullcap Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk (*Cut*)
A Everglot Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F Skellington - Necronomicon (*Fails*)
F Cathal Hold
F The Julianthes - ALL SAINTS BAY
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
F Darken Wood(sc) Hold
A Palmaris - Istar
F Timberlands Supports A Palmaris - Istar
A River Saeren Supports A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns
A Tymwyvenne Supports A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre
F SUNLESS SEA Hold
F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F MERMAIDS LAGOON Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington (*Fails*)
F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS Convoys A Palmaris - Istar
F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Terabithia (*Fails*)
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ZEBOIMS DEEP (*Fails*)
Trolls:
F Khemri Supports A Newa River
A Newa River Hold
A Sorrows End Supports A Cave of Ordeals
A Kahvi Hold
F Ansalon Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Never Never Land Supports F SEA OF FALLEN STARS
A Gwynir Hold
A Sleepy Hollow Supports A Gwynir
A Abby Normal Hold
A Sables Swamp Hold
F HIGH SEAS Hold (*Dislodged*)
F WAY THE HECK Supports F Ansalon
F RIVER STYX Supports F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington
F BABEL BEACH Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Hold
Undead:
A The Old Gristmill Supports A Pwyll
F Terabithia Supports A The Old Gristmill (*Cut*)
A Istar - Skullcap (*Disbanded*)
F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
A Necronomicon - Myrtle
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| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting - garry.bledsoe (Jun 09, 2010, 1:42 pm) |
DIAS Proposal Fails
But Fret Not, There is a New DIAS Proposal for Spring 21
And, Since Slaughter is Officially Going to Be 21, I Guess It Can Drink Leprechaun Ale!
Undead and Faeries Lose a Center to the Ogres (Although in the Ogres Defense, One
WAS Previously an Ogre Center)
Some Confusion on the High Seas? (literally!)
Well there is little of note that actually occurred. The majority of the orders looked eerily familiar...
However, we do have the semi-annual excitement of the DIAS vote that fails again and the like 13th one is proposed anew. And we have confusion? on the High Seas as a Rogue ship gently bounces the Trolls out and thus they require a retreat.
The High Seas can retreat to any number of places so just let me know where they should go.
Pending the receipt of the retreat of the High Seas, let's set adjustments due by Friday June 11th at 6pm. Ironically I will be going to see Shrek that night...
Adjustments will be (assuming a Troll retreat in lieu of OTB):
Faeries remove 1
Rogues build 1
Ogres build 2
We will then move to Spring with a deadline of the 15th of June at 6pm CST.
GM NOTE: I had a late request to move the deadline. I decided not to because I did not get a requested date for the extension to end and I could not hold up any more. I did NOT look at orders prior to making that decision because I did not want my decision influenced.
Garry
Faeries:
A Llyr Hold
F Loxley Supports A Llyr
F Hundred Acre Wood Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Ivory Tower Supports F Myth Drannor
F Myth Drannor Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F Groves of Academe Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Elephant Graveyard Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Starkadh Supports A Eridu
A Eridu Supports A Starkadh
A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns (*Fails*)
A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
F CHURNING REACH Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - EAST MIRIANIC OCEAN
F RUGGED COAST Supports F RIFT CANYON
F RIFT CANYON Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F RAZORS EDGE Supports F RIFT CANYON
Ogres:
A Mount Nimro Hold
A Carpantha Supports A Khaz Modan
A Undermountain Supports A Yggdrasil
A Mordor Supports A Rohan
A Rohan Supports A Mordor
A Lindon Supports A Rohan
F Knockshegowna Supports F THE MAW
A Baldurs Gate Supports A Yuirwood
A Faerun - Waterdeep
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Great Glacier Supports F RIVER OF THE DAWN
A Zhentil Keep Supports F Great Glacier
A Merrow - Lubrick
F Allerleirauh Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
A Golgafrincham Supports A Lindon
A Brandywine Supports A Rohan
F Kara-Tur Supports A Baldurs Gate
A Yuirwood Supports A Mordor
A Dragon Coast Supports F Great Glacier
A Pwyll Supports F Great Glacier
A Khaz Modan Supports A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre
A Hidden Grotto Supports A Khaz Modan
A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
A Yggdrasil Supports A Hidden Grotto
A Hollow Earth Supports A Mount Nimro
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
F THE MAW Supports F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
F THUNDERHEAD Convoys A Necronomicon - Myrtle
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F Great Glacier
F ROARING RAPIDS - Caer
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Supports F Terabithia
Pirates:
F Fantastica Hold
F Riku Hold
A Pans Labyrinth Hold
F Travers Town Hold
A Slightly Gulch Hold
A Duloc Hold
F Rivendell Hold
F The High Way Hold
F RESTLESS WATERS Hold
F GULF OF LUHN Hold
Rogues:
A GuTanoth Hold
A Tumnus Hold
A To-Gai-Ru Hold
A The Silver city Hold
F Skullcap Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk (*Cut*)
A Everglot Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F Skellington - Necronomicon (*Fails*)
F Cathal Hold
F The Julianthes - ALL SAINTS BAY
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
F Darken Wood(sc) Hold
A Palmaris - Istar
F Timberlands Supports A Palmaris - Istar
A River Saeren Supports A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns
A Tymwyvenne Supports A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre
F SUNLESS SEA Hold
F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F MERMAIDS LAGOON Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington (*Fails*)
F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS Convoys A Palmaris - Istar
F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Terabithia (*Fails*)
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ZEBOIMS DEEP (*Fails*)
Trolls:
F Khemri Supports A Newa River
A Newa River Hold
A Sorrows End Supports A Cave of Ordeals
A Kahvi Hold
F Ansalon Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Never Never Land Supports F SEA OF FALLEN STARS
A Gwynir Hold
A Sleepy Hollow Supports A Gwynir
A Abby Normal Hold
A Sables Swamp Hold
F HIGH SEAS Hold (*Dislodged*)
F WAY THE HECK Supports F Ansalon
F RIVER STYX Supports F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington
F BABEL BEACH Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Hold
Undead:
A The Old Gristmill Supports A Pwyll
F Terabithia Supports A The Old Gristmill (*Cut*)
A Istar - Skullcap (*Disbanded*)
F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
A Necronomicon - Myrtle
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| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) LadyDay Jun 09, 02:08 pm |
I will be away for a day and a half (tomorrow afternoon and Friday). As I have no adjustments to
make, that shouldn't change any deadlines.
Garry Bledsoe a ?crit :
*DIAS Proposal Fails*
*But Fret Not, There is a New DIAS Proposal for Spring 21*
*And, Since Slaughter is Officially Going to Be 21, I Guess It Can Drink
Leprechaun Ale!*
*Undead and Faeries Lose a Center to the Ogres (Although in the Ogres
Defense, One*
* WAS Previously an Ogre Center)*
*Some Confusion on the High Seas? (literally!)*
Well there is little of note that actually occurred. The majority of the
orders looked eerily familiar...
However, we do have the semi-annual excitement of the DIAS vote that
fails again and the like 13th one is proposed anew. And we
have confusion? on the High Seas as a Rogue ship gently bounces the
Trolls out and thus they require a *retreat*.
The High Seas can retreat to any number of places so just let me know
where they should go.
*Pending the receipt of the retreat of the High Seas, let's set
adjustments due by Friday June 11th at 6pm*. Ironically I will be going
to see Shrek that night...
Adjustments will be (assuming a Troll retreat in lieu of OTB):
Faeries remove 1
Rogues build 1
Ogres build 2
We will then move to *Spring with a deadline of the 15th of June at 6pm
CST.*
**
GM NOTE: I had a late request to move the deadline. I decided not to
because I did not get a requested date for the extension to end and I
could not hold up any more. I did NOT look at orders prior to making
that decision because I did not want my decision influenced.
Garry
Faeries:
A Llyr Hold
F Loxley Supports A Llyr
F Hundred Acre Wood Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Ivory Tower Supports F Myth Drannor
F Myth Drannor Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F Groves of Academe Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Elephant Graveyard Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Starkadh Supports A Eridu
A Eridu Supports A Starkadh
A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns (*Fails*)
A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
F CHURNING REACH Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - EAST MIRIANIC OCEAN
F RUGGED COAST Supports F RIFT CANYON
F RIFT CANYON Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F RAZORS EDGE Supports F RIFT CANYON
Ogres:
A Mount Nimro Hold
A Carpantha Supports A Khaz Modan
A Undermountain Supports A Yggdrasil
A Mordor Supports A Rohan
A Rohan Supports A Mordor
A Lindon Supports A Rohan
F Knockshegowna Supports F THE MAW
A Baldurs Gate Supports A Yuirwood
A Faerun - Waterdeep
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Great Glacier Supports F RIVER OF THE DAWN
A Zhentil Keep Supports F Great Glacier
A Merrow - Lubrick
F Allerleirauh Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
A Golgafrincham Supports A Lindon
A Brandywine Supports A Rohan
F Kara-Tur Supports A Baldurs Gate
A Yuirwood Supports A Mordor
A Dragon Coast Supports F Great Glacier
A Pwyll Supports F Great Glacier
A Khaz Modan Supports A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre
A Hidden Grotto Supports A Khaz Modan
A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
A Yggdrasil Supports A Hidden Grotto
A Hollow Earth Supports A Mount Nimro
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
F THE MAW Supports F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
F THUNDERHEAD Convoys A Necronomicon - Myrtle
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F Great Glacier
F ROARING RAPIDS - Caer
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Supports F Terabithia
Pirates:
F Fantastica Hold
F Riku Hold
A Pans Labyrinth Hold
F Travers Town Hold
A Slightly Gulch Hold
A Duloc Hold
F Rivendell Hold
F The High Way Hold
F RESTLESS WATERS Hold
F GULF OF LUHN Hold
Rogues:
A GuTanoth Hold
A Tumnus Hold
A To-Gai-Ru Hold
A The Silver city Hold
F Skullcap Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk (*Cut*)
A Everglot Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F Skellington - Necronomicon (*Fails*)
F Cathal Hold
F The Julianthes - ALL SAINTS BAY
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
F Darken Wood(sc) Hold
A Palmaris - Istar
F Timberlands Supports A Palmaris - Istar
A River Saeren Supports A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns
A Tymwyvenne Supports A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre
F SUNLESS SEA Hold
F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F MERMAIDS LAGOON Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington (*Fails*)
F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS Convoys A Palmaris - Istar
F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Terabithia (*Fails*)
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ZEBOIMS DEEP (*Fails*)
Trolls:
F Khemri Supports A Newa River
A Newa River Hold
A Sorrows End Supports A Cave of Ordeals
A Kahvi Hold
F Ansalon Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Never Never Land Supports F SEA OF FALLEN STARS
A Gwynir Hold
A Sleepy Hollow Supports A Gwynir
A Abby Normal Hold
A Sables Swamp Hold
F HIGH SEAS Hold (*Dislodged*)
F WAY THE HECK Supports F Ansalon
F RIVER STYX Supports F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington
F BABEL BEACH Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Hold
Undead:
A The Old Gristmill Supports A Pwyll
F Terabithia Supports A The Old Gristmill (*Cut*)
A Istar - Skullcap (*Disbanded*)
F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
A Necronomicon - Myrtle
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| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) offdisc Jun 10, 12:12 am |
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
DIAS Proposal Fails
But Fret Not, There is a New DIAS Proposal for Spring 21
And, Since Slaughter is Officially Going to Be 21, I Guess It Can Drink Leprechaun Ale!
Undead and Faeries Lose a Center to the Ogres (Although in the Ogres Defense, One
WAS Previously an Ogre Center)
Some Confusion on the High Seas? (literally!)
Well there is little of note that actually occurred. The majority of the orders looked eerily familiar...
However, we do have the semi-annual excitement of the DIAS vote that fails again and the like 13th one is proposed anew. And we have confusion? on the High Seas as a Rogue ship gently bounces the Trolls out and thus they require a retreat.
The High Seas can retreat to any number of places so just let me know where they should go.
Pending the receipt of the retreat of the High Seas, let's set adjustments due by Friday June 11th at 6pm. Ironically I will be going to see Shrek that night...
Adjustments will be (assuming a Troll retreat in lieu of OTB):
Faeries remove 1
Rogues build 1
Ogres build 2
We will then move to Spring with a deadline of the 15th of June at 6pm CST.
GM NOTE: I had a late request to move the deadline. I decided not to because I did not get a requested date for the extension to end and I could not hold up any more. I did NOT look at orders prior to making that decision because I did not want my decision influenced.
Garry
Faeries:
A Llyr Hold
F Loxley Supports A Llyr
F Hundred Acre Wood Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Ivory Tower Supports F Myth Drannor
F Myth Drannor Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F Groves of Academe Supports A Elephant Graveyard
A Elephant Graveyard Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Starkadh Supports A Eridu
A Eridu Supports A Starkadh
A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns (*Fails*)
A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
F CHURNING REACH Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - EAST MIRIANIC OCEAN
F RUGGED COAST Supports F RIFT CANYON
F RIFT CANYON Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F RAZORS EDGE Supports F RIFT CANYON
Ogres:
A Mount Nimro Hold
A Carpantha Supports A Khaz Modan
A Undermountain Supports A Yggdrasil
A Mordor Supports A Rohan
A Rohan Supports A Mordor
A Lindon Supports A Rohan
F Knockshegowna Supports F THE MAW
A Baldurs Gate Supports A Yuirwood
A Faerun - Waterdeep
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Great Glacier Supports F RIVER OF THE DAWN
A Zhentil Keep Supports F Great Glacier
A Merrow - Lubrick
F Allerleirauh Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
A Golgafrincham Supports A Lindon
A Brandywine Supports A Rohan
F Kara-Tur Supports A Baldurs Gate
A Yuirwood Supports A Mordor
A Dragon Coast Supports F Great Glacier
A Pwyll Supports F Great Glacier
A Khaz Modan Supports A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre
A Hidden Grotto Supports A Khaz Modan
A Diamond Mines - Knurremurre (*Bounce*)
A Yggdrasil Supports A Hidden Grotto
A Hollow Earth Supports A Mount Nimro
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
F THE MAW Supports F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
F THUNDERHEAD Convoys A Necronomicon - Myrtle
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F Great Glacier
F ROARING RAPIDS - Caer
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Supports F Terabithia
Pirates:
F Fantastica Hold
F Riku Hold
A Pans Labyrinth Hold
F Travers Town Hold
A Slightly Gulch Hold
A Duloc Hold
F Rivendell Hold
F The High Way Hold
F RESTLESS WATERS Hold
F GULF OF LUHN Hold
Rogues:
A GuTanoth Hold
A Tumnus Hold
A To-Gai-Ru Hold
A The Silver city Hold
F Skullcap Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk (*Cut*)
A Everglot Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F Skellington - Necronomicon (*Fails*)
F Cathal Hold
F The Julianthes - ALL SAINTS BAY
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
F Darken Wood(sc) Hold
A Palmaris - Istar
F Timberlands Supports A Palmaris - Istar
A River Saeren Supports A Fionavar - Dragons Teeth Mtns
A Tymwyvenne Supports A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Knurremurre
F SUNLESS SEA Hold
F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F MERMAIDS LAGOON Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington (*Fails*)
F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS Convoys A Palmaris - Istar
F SAVAGE SEA - Uhl Belk
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Terabithia (*Fails*)
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ZEBOIMS DEEP (*Fails*)
Trolls:
F Khemri Supports A Newa River
A Newa River Hold
A Sorrows End Supports A Cave of Ordeals
A Kahvi Hold
F Ansalon Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F Never Never Land Supports F SEA OF FALLEN STARS
A Gwynir Hold
A Sleepy Hollow Supports A Gwynir
A Abby Normal Hold
A Sables Swamp Hold
F HIGH SEAS Hold (*Dislodged*)
F WAY THE HECK Supports F Ansalon
F RIVER STYX Supports F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - Skellington
F BABEL BEACH Supports F Enchanted Isles - BIKINI BOTTOM
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Hold
Undead:
A The Old Gristmill Supports A Pwyll
F Terabithia Supports A The Old Gristmill (*Cut*)
A Istar - Skullcap (*Disbanded*)
F Uhl Belk - Necronomicon
A Necronomicon - Myrtle
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| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) FuzzyLogic Jun 10, 07:17 am |
Right, it wouldn't be Storytime w/o the ceremonial throwing up of arms by Hoffman.
I love your arguments Mike. Ogres take 2 centers and it's "securing their lines". Rogues take one center publicly stated, and it's "advanced".
What would you have me do? Do you want everyone to order Holds? I'm going to order my units, and you are going to order yours.
Oh yeah, and this message you post? It comes 10 minutes after you write me 4 paragraphs privately going over how you want me to suggest moves to stab the Trolls and Faeries and get a 2-way. Offer the world, give nothing, get someone to stab somoene. It is a good strategy Mike, tho now it's just boring and repetitive.
Once you refused the DIAS I suggested that we could have actually forced thru, I think this whole strategy of yours lost its impact.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 12:12 AM
To: Garry Bledsoe
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson |
| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) offdisc Jun 10, 11:43 am |
Still trying to recall when I dismissed this proposed DIAS you suggested. I seem to recall something about giving up GGL, letting Faerie fleets sail down into RoD, give up any claims to the Underworld, and possibly throw in my first-born child. Not sure what surprised you when I said that wasn't so much a plan for a DIAS but a plan for the "death of the Ogres".
Anyway, I never suggested that your "advance" had anything to do with the center you gained. It didn't. But an unexpected attack on the High Seas? Now that *IS* aggressive.
I also never asked you to stab either the Trolls or the Faeries --- at least not this time. I said I was perfectly happy with the current 6-way, but if you came up with a plan for a 2-way or 3-way that didn't involve me inviting everyone to tea in my home centers, I'd be willing to listen. You don't want to give away your strategies, so no plan will be made.
So just Vote YES already and let's put this game into the history books.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net> wrote:
Right, it wouldn't be Storytime w/o the ceremonial throwing up of arms by Hoffman.
I love your arguments Mike. Ogres take 2 centers and it's "securing their lines". Rogues take one center publicly stated, and it's "advanced".
What would you have me do? Do you want everyone to order Holds? I'm going to order my units, and you are going to order yours.
Oh yeah, and this message you post? It comes 10 minutes after you write me 4 paragraphs privately going over how you want me to suggest moves to stab the Trolls and Faeries and get a 2-way. Offer the world, give nothing, get someone to stab somoene. It is a good strategy Mike, tho now it's just boring and repetitive.
Once you refused the DIAS I suggested that we could have actually forced thru, I think this whole strategy of yours lost its impact.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 12:12 AM
To: Garry Bledsoe
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson |
| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) FuzzyLogic Jun 10, 12:25 pm |
Mike, go back and read it, this is a waste of time. Email, titled "an idea". You replied something along the lines of "what kind of plan is that" even tho it would have involved me *not* taking Suzanne's last home center, you not taking more from the Faeries, and us forcing a DIAS thru in 2 years flat. 2 more turns now and we'd be there if you had wanted it, and nothing could have prevented it.
You scoffed it away and went back to pointing fingers.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 11:43 AM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Garry Bledsoe; sandiegosmith(at)hotmail.com; mvpenner(at)yahoo.com; suzanne castagne; Dirkfell Warren; dc224
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Still trying to recall when I dismissed this proposed DIAS you suggested. I seem to recall something about giving up GGL, letting Faerie fleets sail down into RoD, give up any claims to the Underworld, and possibly throw in my first-born child. Not sure what surprised you when I said that wasn't so much a plan for a DIAS but a plan for the "death of the Ogres".
Anyway, I never suggested that your "advance" had anything to do with the center you gained. It didn't. But an unexpected attack on the High Seas? Now that *IS* aggressive.
I also never asked you to stab either the Trolls or the Faeries --- at least not this time. I said I was perfectly happy with the current 6-way, but if you came up with a plan for a 2-way or 3-way that didn't involve me inviting everyone to tea in my home centers, I'd be willing to listen. You don't want to give away your strategies, so no plan will be made.
So just Vote YES already and let's put this game into the history books.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net> wrote:
Right, it wouldn't be Storytime w/o the ceremonial throwing up of arms by Hoffman.
I love your arguments Mike. Ogres take 2 centers and it's "securing their lines". Rogues take one center publicly stated, and it's "advanced".
What would you have me do? Do you want everyone to order Holds? I'm going to order my units, and you are going to order yours.
Oh yeah, and this message you post? It comes 10 minutes after you write me 4 paragraphs privately going over how you want me to suggest moves to stab the Trolls and Faeries and get a 2-way. Offer the world, give nothing, get someone to stab somoene. It is a good strategy Mike, tho now it's just boring and repetitive.
Once you refused the DIAS I suggested that we could have actually forced thru, I think this whole strategy of yours lost its impact.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 12:12 AM
To: Garry Bledsoe
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson |
| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) offdisc Jun 10, 12:34 pm |
And I will reiterate: if you had ever come up with a plan that didn't involve me allowing every other country to run rampant across my home centers, I'd have approved it. You didn't -- you came up with a plan that left both Suzanne and I vulnerable to your good graces and trusting you on your word. HA!
So, I did what I said I would: I moved Pwyll over to GGL and never attack Raz again. My line is drawn, and Pwyll is safe.
On the other hand, you also did exactly what you said you would do: you attacked Skel and now sit there and Uhl.
Are we just as safe now as we would have been if I had pulled Pwyll? NO.... but we're safer. Everyone is. So why can't we force that same draw you talked about?
I don't see how it can "force" a draw, and I never did. That's why I suggested just voting YES right then and there. Same as I'm suggesting right now.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net> wrote:
Mike, go back and read it, this is a waste of time. Email, titled "an idea". You replied something along the lines of "what kind of plan is that" even tho it would have involved me *not* taking Suzanne's last home center, you not taking more from the Faeries, and us forcing a DIAS thru in 2 years flat. 2 more turns now and we'd be there if you had wanted it, and nothing could have prevented it.
You scoffed it away and went back to pointing fingers.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 11:43 AM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Garry Bledsoe; sandiegosmith(at)hotmail.com; mvpenner(at)yahoo.com; suzanne castagne; Dirkfell Warren; dc224
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Still trying to recall when I dismissed this proposed DIAS you suggested. I seem to recall something about giving up GGL, letting Faerie fleets sail down into RoD, give up any claims to the Underworld, and possibly throw in my first-born child. Not sure what surprised you when I said that wasn't so much a plan for a DIAS but a plan for the "death of the Ogres".
Anyway, I never suggested that your "advance" had anything to do with the center you gained. It didn't. But an unexpected attack on the High Seas? Now that *IS* aggressive.
I also never asked you to stab either the Trolls or the Faeries --- at least not this time. I said I was perfectly happy with the current 6-way, but if you came up with a plan for a 2-way or 3-way that didn't involve me inviting everyone to tea in my home centers, I'd be willing to listen. You don't want to give away your strategies, so no plan will be made.
So just Vote YES already and let's put this game into the history books.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net> wrote:
Right, it wouldn't be Storytime w/o the ceremonial throwing up of arms by Hoffman.
I love your arguments Mike. Ogres take 2 centers and it's "securing their lines". Rogues take one center publicly stated, and it's "advanced".
What would you have me do? Do you want everyone to order Holds? I'm going to order my units, and you are going to order yours.
Oh yeah, and this message you post? It comes 10 minutes after you write me 4 paragraphs privately going over how you want me to suggest moves to stab the Trolls and Faeries and get a 2-way. Offer the world, give nothing, get someone to stab somoene. It is a good strategy Mike, tho now it's just boring and repetitive.
Once you refused the DIAS I suggested that we could have actually forced thru, I think this whole strategy of yours lost its impact.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 12:12 AM
To: Garry Bledsoe
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson |
| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) FuzzyLogic Jun 10, 12:46 pm |
"HA". Right.
Mike, I'm sure you understand the voting process. Whatever you say here (whatever I say) clealry doesn't matter, thus I came up w a way to prove you would not go for a DIAS if one were presented in a way that the voting could be taken out of the picture.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 12:34 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Garry Bledsoe; sandiegosmith(at)hotmail.com; mvpenner(at)yahoo.com; suzanne castagne; Dirkfell Warren; dc224
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
And I will reiterate: if you had ever come up with a plan that didn't involve me allowing every other country to run rampant across my home centers, I'd have approved it. You didn't -- you came up with a plan that left both Suzanne and I vulnerable to your good graces and trusting you on your word. HA!
So, I did what I said I would: I moved Pwyll over to GGL and never attack Raz again. My line is drawn, and Pwyll is safe.
On the other hand, you also did exactly what you said you would do: you attacked Skel and now sit there and Uhl.
Are we just as safe now as we would have been if I had pulled Pwyll? NO.... but we're safer. Everyone is. So why can't we force that same draw you talked about?
I don't see how it can "force" a draw, and I never did. That's why I suggested just voting YES right then and there. Same as I'm suggesting right now.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net> wrote:
Mike, go back and read it, this is a waste of time. Email, titled "an idea". You replied something along the lines of "what kind of plan is that" even tho it would have involved me *not* taking Suzanne's last home center, you not taking more from the Faeries, and us forcing a DIAS thru in 2 years flat. 2 more turns now and we'd be there if you had wanted it, and nothing could have prevented it.
You scoffed it away and went back to pointing fingers.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 11:43 AM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Garry Bledsoe; sandiegosmith(at)hotmail.com; mvpenner(at)yahoo.com; suzanne castagne; Dirkfell Warren; dc224
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Still trying to recall when I dismissed this proposed DIAS you suggested. I seem to recall something about giving up GGL, letting Faerie fleets sail down into RoD, give up any claims to the Underworld, and possibly throw in my first-born child. Not sure what surprised you when I said that wasn't so much a plan for a DIAS but a plan for the "death of the Ogres".
Anyway, I never suggested that your "advance" had anything to do with the center you gained. It didn't. But an unexpected attack on the High Seas? Now that *IS* aggressive.
I also never asked you to stab either the Trolls or the Faeries --- at least not this time. I said I was perfectly happy with the current 6-way, but if you came up with a plan for a 2-way or 3-way that didn't involve me inviting everyone to tea in my home centers, I'd be willing to listen. You don't want to give away your strategies, so no plan will be made.
So just Vote YES already and let's put this game into the history books.
Mike
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 6:17 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net> wrote:
Right, it wouldn't be Storytime w/o the ceremonial throwing up of arms by Hoffman.
I love your arguments Mike. Ogres take 2 centers and it's "securing their lines". Rogues take one center publicly stated, and it's "advanced".
What would you have me do? Do you want everyone to order Holds? I'm going to order my units, and you are going to order yours.
Oh yeah, and this message you post? It comes 10 minutes after you write me 4 paragraphs privately going over how you want me to suggest moves to stab the Trolls and Faeries and get a 2-way. Offer the world, give nothing, get someone to stab somoene. It is a good strategy Mike, tho now it's just boring and repetitive.
Once you refused the DIAS I suggested that we could have actually forced thru, I think this whole strategy of yours lost its impact.
-mike
From: offdisc(at)gmail.com on behalf of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Thu 6/10/2010 12:12 AM
To: Garry Bledsoe
Subject: Re: dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting
Interesting! Faeries basically hold, Pirates *actually* hold, Trolls secure their line but get hit, Undead retreats behind Ogre lines, and Ogres secure their lines. Who advanced this turn??? I wonder who's voting NO to the DIAS!
(Oh, and Suzanne gave me full permission to take Caer)
DIAS resubmitted, and YES vote attached. Hope we can now all follow suit and end this game already.
Mike
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| dc224 F20 - Twenty Strong and Counting (dc224) Viper Jun 13, 10:12 pm |
For the record, I might not have held across the board if I'd had time to actually put in orders. I was on my way out the door to spend a week away from home when I realize that if I NMR'd that my vote would be a no... so I at least got that in.
As for the other two Mikes, I don't think either of you will change any of our opinions any more. I wouldn't bother to hazard a guess as to which one is voting down the DIAS, but I don't care any more... and any number of emails to everyone won't make me care an ounce higher. For the sake of everyone's sanity and time, let's please end it now.
Cap'n Penner the Pirate
Tamer of the Neverwood |
| dc307 ~ Orient Express - sgttodd (Jun 09, 2010, 12:39 pm) |
Don't forget...
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| DC290 spring 1906 deadline extension - bobbarkerfan1 (Jun 09, 2010, 11:47 am) |
whoops, sorry I haven't been ableto read these until now.
Thank you for letting me know in advance Matthew! I will move the deadline to June 17. Is that alright?
If there are any other issues just let me know. And enjoy the extra week or so! butdon't forget to send me your orders.
Thanks,
Joey
On Jun 7, 2010, at 11:36 PM, Kyle Rudge <krudge(at)goldenwestradio.com> wrote:
No issues here.
Kyle Rudge
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Ross Yaggy <ross826(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Kaiser,
Don't sweat it a bit.
Just email me your orders and I promise I will get them to Joey. I swear.
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:22 PM, <kangaroohp(at)aol.com> wrote:
that's good with me.
Joe
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To: Joey Pedicini <bobbarkerfan1ped(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: Blueraider0(at)gmail.com <Blueraider0(at)gmail.com>; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>; krudge(at)goldenwestradio.com <krudge(at)goldenwestradio.com>; justin(at)darkenedpath.com <justin(at)darkenedpath.com>; kangaroohp(at)aol.com <kangaroohp(at)aol.com>; ross826(at)gmail.com <ross826(at)gmail.com>; michael.alan.walters(at)gmail.com <michael.alan.walters(at)gmail.com>; dc290(at)diplomaticcorp.com <dc290(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Sent: Mon, Jun 7, 2010 6:22 pm
Subject: Re: DC290 spring 1906 deadline extension
Hi Folks,
I'm out of town this week with sporadic e-mail contact. Can we postpone the
deadline to next Thursday?
Matthew=
--
Ross[Reply] |
| Fwd: Greetings from Californian Britian - sunchung (Jun 09, 2010, 11:33 am) |
* Note - I sent this to the wrong email alias earlier this week. Apologies! It is posted on the DC site, but I'm not too sure everyone has read the community portion there recently.
Below is my introduction.
Hello,
Greetings - I look forward to playing with everyone in this game. A bit about my Diplomacy history. I just started playing Diplomacy again after about a +7 year hiatus. Back when I did play in my first go around, it was off of the email newsgroup called Cat23. It's since morphed, I believe, into www.diplomaticcorp.com. A friend of mine who used to also play on Cat23 forwarded an invite for the Winterblitz 2010 and that's how I got re-acquainted with Diplomacy and the DC site. I played my first game earlier this year, and was fortunate enough to play in a game with our GM Dirk. It was this connection that has brought me to this game. I've never played a variant of Diplomacy other than Colonial Diplomacy and Gunboat, so I look forward to this game. I love the idea of the connected map plus the balanced nature of the powers and struggles. And I look forward to having a very dynamic map where each player needs to contact every other player - not just be focused on a particular theater. To be frank, the complexity of this variant both excite me and worry me - I hope I have the intellectual horsepower to keep up with all of the moving parts!
A bit about me. I'm in the San Francisco bay area with two young kids, so hopefully they won't tire me out too much (and allow me to think straight!). I don't know any of the other players other than our GM. Just one last note of thanks to Charles for creating this variant and Dirk for hosting the game. I've shied away from other Diplomacy sites that use judges as I think they tend to attract more casual players that are less committed to the game. Thanks you for the volunteer work and service to the DC community/players.
Sun[Reply] |
| Test - dknemeyer (Jun 09, 2010, 11:23 am) |
Hi Everyone,
I'm writing to make sure people are getting all of the emails sent to
this alias. I understand at least one email may have been sent that
others haven't seen.
Here are the emails I'm aware of that were sent to the game alias:
June 3 - email from me testing the alias and sending game info
June 4 - email from Karsten confirming his participation in the game
June 4 - email from me confirming the game is ready and with some
updates to the schedule
June 6 - email from me with power assignments
June 6 - Robert's introduction
June 6 - Nick's introduction
June 6 - Wladimir's introduction
June 7 - Charles' introduction
June 7 - Karsten's introduction
If any of you have not received one or more of these emails, please
let me know.
If any of you have received emails FROM the dc330(at)knemeyer.com alias
that are not on the above list, please let me know.
If any of you have sent emails to the alias that are not included on
this list, please forward them to me.
I'm hopeful there is not any issue but, as they say, "we shall see"!
Dirk[Reply] |
| Balkans 1860 Revisions - Stage 1 (Long Version) - Kenshi777 (Jun 09, 2010, 11:14 am) |
Greece can throw a wrench in Italy's plans no (as we saw in DC 28?
Palermo can be guaranteed in the first year with good follow on
options. (of course
they do need either Austria or Serbia to help). Greece is intended to
be the big playmaker between Italy and the Turks - they can guarantee
either Palermo or Heraklion, but not both. Typically, I expect they
will choose to guarantee one of those two using both fleets, and
continue their drive in that direction (against either the Turks or
Italians).
Thanks!
B.
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| -DC 328- Fall 1901 Adjudication? - dreamsynergy (Jun 09, 2010, 9:18 am) |
From: dreamsynergy(at)hotmail.com
To: hac.diplomacy(at)gmail.com; s.morris777(at)shaw.ca; dennischandc(at)gmail.com; buckhamil(at)yahoo.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; lucasoshman(at)gmail.com; eloisant(at)gmail.com
Subject: -DC 328- Fall 1901 Adjudication?
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:16:50 +0800
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English forces land on the shores of Holland, thus securing a beachfront for themselves.
French forces march into Belgium with good support, while the army at Marseilles claims Spain.
German fleets in Denmark watch as Russia sails into Sweden unopposed.
Italy sneaks into Venice from the back while Austrian forces look elsewhere.
Turkish ground forces march into Greece, only to be stopped by a larger Austrian force.
Turkey tries once more for the Black Sea, and finds it this time.
Fall 1901 orders
Austria:
F Albania - Greece
A Serbia Supports F Albania - Greece
A Trieste Hold
England:
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Holland
F Norwegian Sea - Norway
A Yorkshire - Holland
France:
A Burgundy - Belgium
A Marseilles - Spain
F Picardy Supports A Burgundy - Belgium
Germany:
F Denmark Hold
A Kiel - Munich
A Ruhr Supports A Kiel - Munich
Italy:
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Venice - Tyrolia
Russia:
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
F Sevastopol - Rumania
A St Petersburg - Finland
A Ukraine Supports F Sevastopol - Rumania
Turkey:
F Ankara - Black Sea
A Bulgaria - Greece (*Fails*)
A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
Once again, no retreats required.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1
England: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 2
France: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 2
Germany: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 2
Russia: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1
Deadline for builds is Friday, June 11 at 13:00 GMT. If no build orders are received, it will result in a NBR for that Power. If you decide not to build on purpose, I need to know that to distinguish between a NBR and a decision not-to-build.
Looking ahead at Spring 1902: orders are due on Wednesday, June 16 at 13:00 GMT.
Your GM,
Ben
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| -DC 328- Fall 1901 Adjudication? (dc328) dreamsynergy Jun 11, 03:21 pm |
Hi all,
I am still missing one set of build orders. To the individual in question, I will give you a grace period of another 48 hours. Failure to submit a set of builds, will look bad on your DC record, and not to mention, have a dramatic impact on the game.
Deadline for next Spring will be revised once the 48 hours are up.
Regards,
Ben
|
| Camel Spotting w08 builds! - FuzzyLogic (Jun 09, 2010, 8:59 am) |
Hey guys,
Since I've managed to schedule myself 3 games all due at the same time today, I'm gonna knock this one out early.
Rome: Remove F Adriatic Sea, A Tarraconensis
Carthage: Build A Thapsus, F Carthage
Persia: Build A Damascus
Egypt: Build F Alexandria
Standings are updated online, www.diplomaticcorp.com?game=dc304
NEXT: Spring of year 9 due next Monday 6/14, 3pm Central!
Enjoy,
-mike
[Reply] |
| (DC 324) A Stab in the Dark - Fall 1906 Results - Corrino (Jun 08, 2010, 11:02 pm) |
Hello Stabbers,
Sorry for the late posting, but unfortunately we have our first NMR of the game as Italy has failed to submit orders for this season. Hate to do it, but as I said when we started, I can be flexible if you let me know there's a problem, but if I don't hear anything you get a couple of hours grace and then I'm going to go ahead and adjudicate.
What is the price of the NMR? Well, the loss of Tyrrhenian Sea is the only visible consequence. We'll have to wait until the Autumn report to find out whether it cost him in the SC department.
The rest of the map shows surprising little activity compared to Fall seasons past. We have Russia and England bouncing in what used to be Germany, and what could be called a token bounce in Portugal
between France and England.
RETREAT REQUIRED: Italian fleet Tyrrhenian Sea. Due by 8:00 pm Eastern time tomorrow, June 9.
The Autumn report will be out tomorrow with SC totals.
Chris
Orders as resolved:
=====================================
England:
F Baltic Sea - Berlin (*Bounce*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
F Holland Supports * (*Cut*)
F Kiel Supports * (*Cut*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal (*Bounce*)
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
France:
F Spain(sc) - Portugal (*Bounce*)
Germany:
F Helgoland Bight - Holland (*Fails*)
Italy:
A Trieste Hold
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold (*Dislodged*)
Russia:
A Prussia - Berlin (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr - Kiel (*Fails*)
Turkey:
F Albania - Trieste (*Fails*)
==================================================[Reply] |
| Balkans 1860 Revisions - Stage 1 (Long Version) - FuzzyLogic (Jun 08, 2010, 6:48 pm) |
Turkey starts w 4 and a F Sev? And Austria is right behind Romaina?
Wow. Glad I didn't get Romania in this version! Italy is way too
isolated. One of the problems of the map, Italy gets that whole
peninsula to himself. A starting next to I was needed. Now it's too
easy to split Salz/Ven, call a DMZ, and Italy grows to 7 unincumbered.
-mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Benjamin Hester [mailto:screwtape777(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 5:23 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Nigel PHILLIPS; dc288; Garry Bledsoe; rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com;
alevy(at)arubanetworks.com; allen.york(at)cchmc.org; gregory nomads;
brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; kelly058(at)verizon.net
Subject: Re: Balkans 1860 Revisions - Stage 1 (Long Version)
Ultimately these are your decisions. It's your variant.
***Well, yeah, but the point of the playtest is to solicit your opinions
As I'm learning in DC 322 (Dark Ages) you never really see all the
cracks in the design until you play yourself. Second best is to listen
closely to feedback from others who have played.***
As the map is now, it does play well. It would probly play well after
some of the changes too. It would just be different. I dunno if that's
better, I'd have to play it.
You've definitely got a good start, and I'm pretty happy w how the
play went from the Romanian pov.
***It's arguably the strongest position on the map right now
If anything stood out as blaringly problematic, I'd mention it. I
think mid-game, I mentioned the difficulty Ross and I had in invading
Ottoman.
But in hindsight, that was appropriate.
***Now this is interesting - you had me sold on the whole north
Anatolian coast argument. But I suppose you're right - when Turkey is
invaded by A/R, there are only three points of entry - Constantinople,
Ankara, and Armenia. Balkans has three (Istanbul, Ankara, and Bursa)
plus a questionable fourth option - forcing the Bosporus and Sea of
Marmara. So perhaps that is okay.***
For even in Standard, if AR try to > invade T, but Italy is propping him
up, AR are going to have an insanely > difficult time w that.
Same thing here, it took BR forever to break down > Ottoman cuz Greece,
the needed 3rd angle, was working to prop him up. So
really it wasnt a map flaw, rather an annoying Nigel. So really what
we > need to be looking at here is not how to fix the map but how to
fix Nigs. >
***Good luck with that re: Nigs But please (all of you) take a look
at the attached map, and be particularly critical in your review of it.
If I have gone too far in my revisions, or not considered second order
effects of the changes, please let me know...
List of changes:
1 - Skopje/Bitola combined - Bitola no longer an SC.
2 - Agram/Spalato combined - Agram remains an SC.
3 - Sarajevo is no longer an SC. (considering canceling this)
4 - Brasov is an open SC. (considering Calarasi or Tiraspol as
alternatives)
5 - Craiova is an open SC.
6 - Kolosvar is an Austrian starting SC (Army).
7 - Sevastopol is a Turkish starting SC (Fleet).
8 - Istanbul now has a Turkish army instead of a fleet.
Specific questions I would like your answers to:
1 - Does the new Austrian position in Kolosvar force Austrian/Romanian
conflict too much, or can it also help them attack Serbia together?
2 - Does the new Turkish position in Sevastopol allow the Turks the
option to work with or against the Romanians? (ideally, DMZing BeC and
Ode is a good option, and R/T could attack B together?) Or the Turks
could join in a dogpile on the Romanians.
3 - Are Austria and Serbia now somewhat more inclined to work together
with SC Sarajevo removed, and the new opportunities against Romania
(offset slightly by increased tension over Agram). Concerned that I
hurt Serbia too much by removing Sarajevo - should I restore it and
remove something else?
4 - simply - is Romania too disadvantaged now, or does their corner
position compensate them for the new slower growth opportunities and
external threats? I chose Brasov for now to give them one guaranteed SC
at least, but I think this, coupled with Craiova, promotes conflict with
Serbia too much.
5 - finally - please examine the specific Turkish opening of:
F Sev - Bla
A Ist - Sak
A Ank - Ist
F Izm - Bursa
Salonika is now safe even against a concerted Bulgarian/Greek attack (F
Brg - Edi, A Plo - Ser, A Lar - Koz) - but does it make the Turks too
strong?
Notes - the intent here is to make both Austria and the Ottomans (the
true regional level powers in this variant) like Russia in Standard:
strong to start, but with slower growth, and burdened by having their
fingers in lots of pies, and with more vulnerabilities.
Please let me know what you all think!
Thanks!
B.
> Then, the ideas that I am considering (a mix of Allen's and my
own)...
>
> 1 - Move either SC Agram or SC Sarajevo. This would likely be done
> in conjunction with Allen's idea to add SCs in between Austria and
> Romania. Downside - removing Agram makes F Ven a no-brainer opening
> for F Trieste. Removing Sarajevo gives Serbia an undesirable
> incentive to send A Kragujevac after Bulgaria, or send more than just
> F Cetinje against Greece - also undesirable. So for this to work, we
> need to give A Kragujevac a good option against Rumania. Which leads
> to the next idea...
>
> 2 - Add SC Craiova. With a bit of negotiations with Bulgaria to
> secure uncontested passage through Nis, Serbia could reasonably
> guarantee Craiova. However, I'm still trading the only guaranteed
> dot for Serbia (Sarajevo) for a definite maybe in Craiova.
>
> 3 - Change F Trieste to A Trieste. Contrary to my intentions, that
> Fleet in Trieste seems to be a constant point of tension with the
> Serbs. If it were only a build option rather than a starting unit,
> this could improve Austrian/Serbian relations...?
>
> 4 - Split Beograd? Increasing the buffer between Austria and Serbia
> would help perhaps...though the main Austria/Serbia flash point seems
> to be along the Adriatic coast. (alternate idea - disconnect
> Temesvar from Beograd somehow with a border redraw?)
>
> ...and moving into the twilight zone of major revisions (which may
> nonetheless be necessary)...
>
> ! - Leave Kolosvar as it is and make it an Austrian Home SC. To
> understand the idea here, take the map and rotate it 90 degrees
> clockwise. Now try to picture Austria in Balkans1860 like Russia in
> Standard. I'm not proposing to give Austria a Black Sea port
> (completely ahistorical) but this could give Austria a good option to
> move against the Serbs, or with them against Romania. Here I would
> need to add Allen's idea of SC Tiraspol to balance out Romanian
> options. I would also pull another SC off the map to retain balance
> (perhaps Bitola, and redraw that to be a single territory with
> Skopje?)
>
> !! - Add another Ottoman SC in Sevastopol? Strange and irrelevant as
> this may sound - if Serbia had a stronger partner in the SE corner,
> one that also had options to engage Romania directly (rather than
> just
> Bulgaria) - then perhaps Austria/Serbia could join the Ottomans
> and/or Bulgarians in a dogpile heading east. Sevastopol could not be
> made Rumanian with any semblance of historical accuracy. It *could*
> however be made Turkish, if I were willing to make this a "what if?"
> or to use the academic term, counterfactual scenario.
>
> Here we assume a different settlement after the Crimean War -
> historically, the Ottomans did not much real receive territorial
> compensation following Russia's defeat in the Crimean war. In this
> case, I would suggest that the British, French, and Ottomans could
> have achieved their objective of removing the Russian naval presence
> from the Black Sea by restoring the old Ottoman claim to the Crimea
> (it had only been lost in 1783) and allowing their retention of
> territory gained in the Caucasus.
>
> What the hell...I've already really made it a counterfactual scenario
> by removing Russia from the Crimea and cutting French influence out
> of Italian unification. Most Diplomacy variants also permit some
> degree of historical inaccuracy, Standard included...lest anyone
> believes Italy or Turkey was truly a major player in WW1?
>
> Anyway, if I give the Ottomans Sevastopol or the Austrians Kolosvar -
> Allen's idea of adding SC Tiraspol would be needed, as Romania would
> then have *no* reasonably guaranteed opening SC. The Ottomans would
> also have F Istanbul changed to A Istanbul if they gained F
> Sevastopol. And we would have to very closely examine the new
> Romanian situation to ensure they aren't forced into conflict with
> Austria or the Ottomans - I think not, and could work with either one
> still, but I don't want to see them always ignore the Bulgarians.
>
> Ultimately though, I keep coming back to what I said above...the path
> to a solo victory lies in the heart of the Balkans. Austria has to
> have a working long-term plan to get to 19 SCs without hitting Serbia
> until their solo bid in the endgame. It's *possible* to do so by
> joining Serbia to hit Italy and then Romania on the current map - but
> I think that's even more unlikely than the B/R naval alliance we saw
> here. Serbia would have to tolerate a *large* Austrian navy pushing
> down the Adriatic. So what I *really* need is a southeast option for
> Austria, one that bypasses Serbia altogether to hit Romania and
> Bulgaria, *while* A/S presumably contain Italy or aid Greece in
> attacking them. Because Italy simply cannot be ignored - and it is
> very difficult to divide between Austria and Serbia as well.
>
> Please let me know your thoughts on all this. Nothing is decided at
> all yet.
>
> B.
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| FLWC public service announcement - FuzzyLogic (Jun 08, 2010, 6:29 pm) |
The Gnomes CAN retreat Sleepy
Hollow too! My mistake. If they do this, then something else has to come off
instead.
-mike
From: Michael Sims
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 4:33 PM
Subject: FLWC public service
announcement
PRESS
STATEMENT FROM THE WIZARD OFFICE OF PUBLIC AFFAIRS
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Today the Supreme Wizard Council announced its intention to cease all acts
of hostile expansion and declared itself open to peaceful vassalization by
any neighboring nation willing to grant the Wizard nation permanent control
over Faerun and Waterdeep, or even one of the two. The Wizard Council
plans to redirect its energies toward the peaceful development of magical
energy production.
"It's quite clear that this whole idea of conquering the central island
was a huge mistake," stated Wizzie McWizzarton, chief spokesman for the
Council in a prepared statement. "The Council cannot fully account
for the
events in the Spring of 01, at which moment the entire planet collectively
and simultaneously declared war on one another without any real
justification. The Council now regrets its decision to participate in
this
global spasm of imperial violence.
"It is our intention to fully comply with the demands of the Magic
Non-Proliferation Treaty and utilize our enriched magic only for peaceful
energy purposes," the statement concluded.
The Wizard Council will consider any and all offers from foreign powers to
vassalize the Wizard nation, allowing a suitable partner full control over
Wizard foreign and military policies.
The Council also noted that it has officially abandoned its
previously-stated mission to "wreak fiery vengeance on any nation which
has
violated the trust of the Wizard nation," having concluded it lacks
sufficient fiery vengeance to spread among the relevant trust-violators.
###
This is truly the year for epic battles as forces clash in huge
numbers all across the world... The Pirates and Trolls trade volleys over the
High Seas, Ogre warships bombard the Elven defenses as the Undead clamber up
the shores at Terabithia, and the last Faerie home center falls to the
Archers...
All this while yet more units pile into the
Underworld, the Centaurs barely hold on to Mount Nimro, and our Wizards
look... inward, to more practical uses for their skills.
PLEASE
CHECK MY WORK! This was a pretty complex turn, w units ordering across
the map, either via the underworld or the wrap around the edges. Makes
for a spiderweb of criss-crossing orders...
Lots
of retreats and builds!
RETREATS:
Faeries:
A Vinyaya, A Oz
Nomads:
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN
Trolls:
F HIGH SEAS
Wizards:
A Caer
BUILDS:
Archers:
Build 2
Centaurs: Build 2
Elves: Remove 2
Faeries: Remove 1
Nomads:
Build 1
Ogres:
Build 2
Samurai: Build 2
Trolls: Build 1 (or 2, pending Troll retreat)
Undead:
Build 2 (or 1, pending Troll retreat)
Wizards: Remove 3
RETREATS
and BUILDS are due together! Wed 6/9, 3pm Central. Those ppl
who have a pending build should be sure to consider both possibilities of
retreats, and use conditional orders if need be.
Archers:
A Prydain Supports F Kingdom of Hearts
A Fantastica Hold
F Kingdom of Hearts Supports F Andarien Plain
A Spiral Castle - Dragons Teeth Mtns
F Land of Sweets - Vinyaya
F Myth Drannor Hold
A Elephant Graveyard Supports F Khemri - Newa River (*Void*)
A Strawberry Fields Supports F Land of Sweets - Vinyaya
F CHOCOLATE RIVER - Oz
F RUGGED COAST - Gumdrop Isle
F HORNED BAY - CHOCOLATE RIVER
Centaurs:
A Tumnus - Immoren
A Mount Nimro Supports A Diamond Mines - Carpantha (*Cut*)
A Cathal Supports A Immoren - Sleepy Hollow
A Owlwood Hold
A Immoren - Sleepy Hollow
A Cave of Ordeals Supports F Newa River (*Ordered to Move*)
A Eridu - Gwynir (*Fails*)
F CELESTIAL DELTA Hold
F BEAVERSDAM - TILVA STRAIT
Elves:
F The Old Gristmill Supports A Uhl Belk - Terabithia
A Uhl Belk - Terabithia (*Fails*)
A Thra - Zhentil Keep
F Dhunia Supports A Uhl Belk - Terabithia
Faeries:
A Vinyaya Supports A Oz (*Dislodged*)
A Oz Supports A Vinyaya (*Dislodged*)
A Gurgi - Land of Sweets
F Dimmsdale - NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN
A Diamond Mines - Carpantha (*Fails*)
Gnomes:
A Hundred Acre Wood, no move received
F Khemri, no move received
A Gwynir, no move received
A Sleepy Hollow, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Starkadh, no move received
F Andarien Plain, no move received
Knights:
A GuTanoth - Paras Derval (*Fails*)
A Paras Derval - Andarien Plain (*Fails*)
A Brennin Supports A Paras Derval - Andarien Plain
F Walk of Clouds Supports F TILVA STRAIT - WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN
F Heavens Well - River Saeren
A River Saeren - Fionavar
A Shady Vale Supports A Gurgi - Land of Sweets
F TILVA STRAIT - WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN
Nomads:
A Carpantha Supports F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - Mount Nimro (*Cut*)
F Ella Supports F CHOCOLATE RIVER - Oz
F Great Glacier Hold
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - Mount Nimro (*Dislodged*)
Ogres:
A Gelfling Hold
A Knockshegowna Hold
A Myrtle Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia
A Florin - Caer
A Hoarluk - Twisted Tunnels (*Fails*)
A Hall of Echoes - Ancient Necropolis
A Twisted Tunnels - Undermountain (*Bounce*)
A Temple of Doom Supports A Carpantha (*Cut*)
F THUNDERHEAD Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia
F ROARING RAPIDS Supports A Florin - Caer
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Convoys A Florin - Caer
Pirates:
F Riku Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
A Baldurs Gate Supports A Two Towers - Candlekeep
A Never Never Land Supports A The High Way - Far Far Away
A Travers Town Hold
A The High Way - Far Far Away
F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F MERMAIDS LAGOON Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F RESTLESS WATERS Supports A Baldurs Gate
Samurai:
A
City of Splendors - Valley of Lost Honor (*Fails*)
A Two Towers - Candlekeep
F Ithin'Carthia(wc) Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
A France - Shining Stream
A Cormyr - Garthim
A Thirsty Desert Supports A Two Towers - Candlekeep (*Cut*)
A Hollow Earth Supports A Carpantha - Mount Nimro (*Void*)
A Venatori Umbrarum - Temple of Doom (*Fails*)
F WAY THE HECK Supports F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F BIKINI BOTTOM Hold
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Supports A Never Never Land
Trolls:
F Newa River - GRIEF REEF
F Kahvi Supports F HIGH SEAS
A Grendel Hold
F Abby Normal Supports F Newa River - GRIEF REEF
A Sables Swamp Hold
A Far Far Away Hold (*Disbanded*)
A Yggdrasil - Undermountain (*Bounce*)
F THON THALAS Supports F Newa River - GRIEF REEF
F HIGH SEAS Supports F Newa River - GRIEF REEF (*Dislodged*)
Undead:
A To-Gai-Ru Supports F Walk of Clouds
A Skullcap - Uhl Belk (*Fails*)
F Everglot - Skellington (*Bounce*)
A Corona Supports F Walk of Clouds
F THE MAW - Skellington (*Bounce*)
F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia
F ZEBOIMS DEEP Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia
Wizards:
A Waterdeep - Faerun
A Caer Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Valley of Lost Honor - Thirsty Desert (*Fails*)
A Kara-Tur - Waterdeep
F RAZORS EDGE - RIVER OF THE DAWN
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| DC 306: Sengoku Rev6DP - Winter 1573 Adjustments - Kenshi777 (Jun 08, 2010, 5:51 pm) |
Oops - sorry about the last message - accidental send click.
***PLAYERS:
Shimazu Yoshihisa - Isaac Zinner (*eliminated 1573*)
Mori Motonari - Jim Atkins
Chosokabe Motochika - Jean-Luc Lefebvre
Asakura Yoshikage - Garry Bledsoe
Oda Nobunaga - Joe Babinsack
Takeda Shingen - Nathan Deily (*eliminated 1572*)
Uesugi Kenshin - Fredrik Blom
Hojo Ujiyasu - Michael Thompson
***HAIKU!!!
Stone cold grind ahead
Wings of err harbinger flies
Takeda greets chaff
***NEXT DEADLINE:
Tuesday, June 15, 1700 EST will be Spring 1574. I'm all out of player
daimyo for the historical blurbs, so if any of you are still reading
along we'll be moving on to some of the more important minor
non-player daimyo. Otomo Sorin and Ryuzoji Takanobu will likely make
an appearance from Kyushu, Miyoshi Chokei and Amago Yoshihisa from
southern Honshu, and of course, Date Masamune from the far northern
Mutsu region.
***ORDERS:
Shimazu:
Remove F South Sea of Japan
Mori:
Build A Bingo
Chosokabe:
Build A Bizen
Build F Tosa
Oda:
Build A Owari
Uesugi:
Build F Mutsu
Thanks!
B.
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