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DC226 Summer Retreats and Press! - hapolley   (Feb 08, 2009, 3:42 am)
dc226 Standard\Summer/1902
============================
Map, Results Attached!
    
COMMENTARY AND RESULTS
======================
The Deadline for gunboat game dc226, Fall 1902, is Thursday Feb
12, at 2400 hrs MT!


NEW TURKEY!  Thanks go out to Turkey and France for getting in
retreats before deadline!
RULES FOR PRESS:
1. Press may be sent in at anytime!
2. Press sent in with orders will be published with orders.
3. Press sent in separate from orders may be published at
anytime between deadlines.
4. GM not responsible for publishing press ahead of orders when
press arrives separate from orders.  Even when directed to do
otherwise!
5. GM not responsible for not publishing press sent in with
orders when directed to do otherwise!
6. GM not responsible for not publishing press sent in with
orders when press precedes orders on same page!
7. When same press does not repeat with order change, previous
Press with orders,will not be published.
8. If you wish to change Press with orders, then resubmit
orders with press.
    
An attempt will be made to group press by Country it is
addressed to, then in order listed!  Black Press rules apply,
you may use any byline.
    
GM has right to edit or not publish press not related to game,
or is indecent by GM personal standards or in some other way is
hateful or personal.  GM does not always read press completely,
and can not be held responsible if some unacceptable press is
published.


Retreats: Su/1902
=================================================================
France    : Retreat: A mun - boh
Turkey    : Retreat: A sev - rum
=================================================================
Ownership
Su\02     |# SC|  [HOME SUPPLY CENTER] (BUILD CENTER)
=================================================================
Austria   |( 5)|[AUST,tri,vie,bud],gre,ser
England   |( 4)|[ENGL,lon,lvp,edi],nwy
France    |( 6)|[FRAN,mar,bre,par](mun),por,spa
Germany   |( 4)|[GERM,kie,ber],den,hol
Italy     |( 4)|[ITAL,rom,nap,ven],tun
Russia    |( 3)|[RUSS,war,mos,stp]
Turkey    |( 5)|[TURK,smy,ank,con](sev),bul
Madman    |( 3)|,bel,rum,swe
=================================================================
Total =    ( 34)


POSITIONS
Su\02     |
=================================================================
Austria   | A bud, A gal, N gre, A ser, A tyr
England   | N NTH, N SKA, N swe, A yor
France    | A boh, A bur, A mar, N MID, A pic, A spa
Germany   | A ber, N kie, A mun, A ruh
Italy     | A apu, N TYN, A ven, N WES
Russia    | N sev, A ukr, A war
Turkey    | A arm, N BLA, A bul, N con, A rum
Madman    | 
=================================================================


DIPYCORP PRESS RELEASES
    
New Turkey to Austria:
I can see from last seasons moves that you were friends with
the previous Turkish sultan.  I have no intention of breaking
this friendship since it appears to have work well for both of
our great nations in the past.  Please fill me in on the
details of your agreements with the previous Turkish sultan in
your next press.
    
    
From The Czar of Russia-
    Nations of Europe, I, Your Humble Czar, have been tried my
    hardest to refrain from violence, we Russians have always
    intended to use any military power we have to insure peace
    throughout our land. Unfortunately, Austria has felt that
    WE, WE pose a threat to you. For the longest time we have
    remained in our cities, watching our world fall apart, and
    desired to do nothing but assist in peace. We have
    endeavored to form a trust with each and every one of you,
    so we can all work toward mutual goals. Ladies and
    Gentlemen, Kings and Queens, Dukes and Duchesses, Prime
    Ministers and First ladies, Austria and Turkey have
    violated that trust! Thankfully, the turkish people have
    realized this, and have ejected their former leader and
    installed a new, more sensible one. However, the facts
    remain. Austria ordered attacks, by turkey, on us, your
    humble guardian-servant. Our City of Sevestpol is still
    burning, even after an entire season. Sevestpol has been
    left with its father's dead, mother's raped, and children
    kidnaped and pressed into Turkish service. ALL BECAUSE OF
    AUSTRIA! The time has come, Europe, to band together, and
    fight the forces that seek nothing but their own dominion.
    They'll invade our space, and we'll fall back. They'll take
    over entire supply centers, and we'll fall back. Well, not
    again, and never again. The line must be drawn HERE, and we
    will make them PAY for WHAT THEY HAVE DONE!  -Your
    Czar-protector
    
    
Germany to Austria: Archduke, there is still time to draw back
our two great Nations from the brink of disaster.  We are at a
loss as the cause of your enemity, Germany and Austria/Hungary
being traditional friends.  You will shortly be under serious
attack from three sides, why invite us to join your enemies?
Your presence in TYL and threatened support of the French will
bring you no gain, as France has his eyes firmly set on MUN
with no possibility of spoils for you.  I would hope that even
that this late stage you can see the storm clouds gathering
againt you in the Balkans,  the Aegean and GAL, why even VIE
could be under threat from the rogue French.  It is in these
circumstances that we ask you to desist from supporting the
French, and return your armies to base in VIE or TRI.  Should
you choose not to respond or to decline, then we will support
Italy in whatever endeavour she will do to remove your threat
to her from TYL.  We await your timely response.
The Kaiser


The King of France accepts the hospitality of the Archduke.
With your Tyrolian Army, would you be willing to support my
return to Mun?  I am eager to have my Army out of your
territories as quickly as possible and make the area safer for
both our countries.






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DC 236 Winter 1904 - former.trout   (Feb 07, 2009, 11:48 pm)
Hey folks,

Very, very sorry about the late Winter adjudication. Rachael is having computer troubles owing to her earlier-than-expected move, and your friendly TDs got caught with our pants down. Apologies everyone.


In any event, thanks to all players for getting their orders into the inbox. During Rachael's move, I'll step in and run the turns for her - so please send orders to me at former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]) (As always, please ensure you CC the orders inbox as well.)


Winter action is fast and furious. The retreats are to London and Syria. Italy builds two, France disbands two and the Russians launch a northern fleet.


You have till tomorrow night to notify me of any errors. Deadline for Spring 05 orders will be set for Monday, Feb 9th (11:59 PM GMT).


Cheers!


Trout




Retreat orders for Fall of 1904. (DC 236 04 WIN)


England: F North Sea - London.


Italy: F Eastern Mediterranean - Syria.




Adjustment orders for Winter of 1904. (DC 236 04 WIN)


France: Remove A Marseilles.
France: Remove A Gascony.


Italy: Build F Naples.
Italy: Build A Venice.


Russia: Build F St Petersburg(nc).


Unit locations:


England: F Edinburgh, A Liverpool, F London, A Paris, A Picardy.
France: A Tuscany.
Germany: F Belgium, A Denmark, A Kiel, A Munich, F North Sea, A Ruhr.
Italy: A Greece, F Ionian Sea, F Naples, A Piedmont, F Portugal, A Serbia,
A Spain, F Syria, A Venice.
Russia: F Black Sea, A Bulgaria, A Clyde, A Norway, F Norwegian Sea, A
Rumania, F St Petersburg(nc), A Sweden, A Ukraine.
Turkey: F Aegean Sea, A Constantinople, F Eastern Mediterranean, A
Sevastopol.


Ownership of supply centers:


England: Brest, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Paris.
France: Marseilles.
Germany: Belgium, Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Greece, Naples, Portugal, Rome, Serbia, Spain, Trieste, Tunis,
Venice.
Russia: Budapest, Bulgaria, Moscow, Norway, Rumania, St Petersburg, Sweden,
Vienna, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Sevastopol, Smyrna.


Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
England: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Germany: 6 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 0 units.
Italy: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.




NEXT DEADLINE: SPRING 05 ORDERS DUE MONDAY, FEB 9TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

[Reply]

Spring 365 Adjucation - scaponig   (Feb 07, 2009, 10:46 pm)
Yes, I am dumb!
I don't know how I thought that, but this was the fall adjucation.

Thanks!

Steve

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Spring 365 Adjucation
To: "Steve Caponigri" <scaponig(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com, DC207(at)diplomaticcorp.com, eduardo.kyono(at)hotmail.com, fimdoinicio(at)hotmail.com, ghostinashell_2000(at)yahoo.com, jrobfoster(at)gmail.com, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com, "Michael Sims" <mike(at)southwall.com>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 8:58 PM

Steve

wasn't this supposed to be a FALL adjduication? or is the site not up to date in this game?

Steve




2009/2/8 Steve Caponigri <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
[quote:406b4f0974] "Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
~Sun Tsu

Sorry for the delay guys, here she goes:
Ch'in moves units towards the front as the first real fleet action takes place with Chi taking Choson!

Chin A Hanchung can retreat to Pei Daiyeng or Ying.
Shu A Pengli can retreat to Tung Ying.
Lee, If you want to retreat OTB, just lemme know ASAP.
Jack, soon as you get me that retreat, we can move on to fall. Let's set the deadline at Tuesday, Feb 10, at 23:59

Chii:
A Lintse Supports A Sung
A Nan Tsechuan Supports A Sung
F North Choson Sea - Choson
F South Choson Sea Supports F North Choson Sea - Choson
A Sung Supports A Lintse
Chin:
A Chinyang - Wei
A Chou Supports A Chinyang - Wei
A Hanchung Supports A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Dislodged*)
A Handan Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Rong - Tung Cherchen
A Tung Chinyang Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Wuyuan - Hsianyang
A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Fails*)
Chu:
A Chen Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Nanchin - Hsi Yueh (*Fails*)
A Tung Yueh Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Ying - Pengli
Hsiung-Nu:
A Hsiangping - Choson (*Fails*)
A Nan Yubeiping Hold
A Yubeiping Supports A Nan Yubeiping
Shu:
A Ba Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Chang'an Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung (*Cut*)
A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Hsi Yueh Supports A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Cut*)
A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Dislodged*)





--
Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin,
Knight of the Rose

[/quote:406b4f0974]

[Reply]

Spring 365 Adjucation - stevelytton at gmail.com   (Feb 07, 2009, 8:59 pm)
Steve

wasn't this supposed to be a FALL adjduication? or is the site not up to date in this game?

Steve




2009/2/8 Steve Caponigri <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])>

"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
~Sun Tsu

Sorry for the delay guys, here she goes:
Ch'in moves units towards the front as the first real fleet action takes place with Chi taking Choson!

Chin A Hanchung can retreat to Pei Daiyeng or Ying.
Shu A Pengli can retreat to Tung Ying.
Lee, If you want to retreat OTB, just lemme know ASAP.
Jack, soon as you get me that retreat, we can move on to fall. Let's set the deadline at Tuesday, Feb 10, at 23:59

Chii:
A Lintse Supports A Sung
A Nan Tsechuan Supports A Sung
F North Choson Sea - Choson
F South Choson Sea Supports F North Choson Sea - Choson
A Sung Supports A Lintse
Chin:
A Chinyang - Wei
A Chou Supports A Chinyang - Wei
A Hanchung Supports A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Dislodged*)
A Handan Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Rong - Tung Cherchen
A Tung Chinyang Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Wuyuan - Hsianyang
A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Fails*)
Chu:
A Chen Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Nanchin - Hsi Yueh (*Fails*)
A Tung Yueh Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Ying - Pengli
Hsiung-Nu:
A Hsiangping - Choson (*Fails*)
A Nan Yubeiping Hold
A Yubeiping Supports A Nan Yubeiping
Shu:
A Ba Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Chang'an Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung (*Cut*)
A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Hsi Yueh Supports A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Cut*)
A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Dislodged*)





--
Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin,
Knight of the Rose

[Reply]

DC 180: Deadline Warning - scaponig   (Feb 07, 2009, 7:10 pm)
About 48 Hours til the deadline...Monday night!

Thanks!

Steve

[Reply]

Spring 365 Adjucation - scaponig   (Feb 07, 2009, 6:55 pm)
"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
~Sun Tsu

Sorry for the delay guys, here she goes:
Ch'in moves units towards the front as the first real fleet action takes place with Chi taking Choson!

Chin A Hanchung can retreat to Pei Daiyeng or Ying.
Shu A Pengli can retreat to Tung Ying.
Lee, If you want to retreat OTB, just lemme know ASAP.
Jack, soon as you get me that retreat, we can move on to fall. Let's set the deadline at Tuesday, Feb 10, at 23:59

Chii:
A Lintse Supports A Sung
A Nan Tsechuan Supports A Sung
F North Choson Sea - Choson
F South Choson Sea Supports F North Choson Sea - Choson
A Sung Supports A Lintse
Chin:
A Chinyang - Wei
A Chou Supports A Chinyang - Wei
A Hanchung Supports A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Dislodged*)
A Handan Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Rong - Tung Cherchen
A Tung Chinyang Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Wuyuan - Hsianyang
A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Fails*)
Chu:
A Chen Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Nanchin - Hsi Yueh (*Fails*)
A Tung Yueh Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Ying - Pengli
Hsiung-Nu:
A Hsiangping - Choson (*Fails*)
A Nan Yubeiping Hold
A Yubeiping Supports A Nan Yubeiping
Shu:
A Ba Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Chang'an Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung (*Cut*)
A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Hsi Yueh Supports A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Cut*)
A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Dislodged*)

[Reply]

Spring 365 Adjucation (dc207) stevelytton at gmail.com Feb 07, 08:59 pm
Steve

wasn't this supposed to be a FALL adjduication? or is the site not up to date in this game?

Steve




2009/2/8 Steve Caponigri <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])>

"Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
~Sun Tsu

Sorry for the delay guys, here she goes:
Ch'in moves units towards the front as the first real fleet action takes place with Chi taking Choson!

Chin A Hanchung can retreat to Pei Daiyeng or Ying.
Shu A Pengli can retreat to Tung Ying.
Lee, If you want to retreat OTB, just lemme know ASAP.
Jack, soon as you get me that retreat, we can move on to fall. Let's set the deadline at Tuesday, Feb 10, at 23:59

Chii:
A Lintse Supports A Sung
A Nan Tsechuan Supports A Sung
F North Choson Sea - Choson
F South Choson Sea Supports F North Choson Sea - Choson
A Sung Supports A Lintse
Chin:
A Chinyang - Wei
A Chou Supports A Chinyang - Wei
A Hanchung Supports A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Dislodged*)
A Handan Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Rong - Tung Cherchen
A Tung Chinyang Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Wuyuan - Hsianyang
A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Fails*)
Chu:
A Chen Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Nanchin - Hsi Yueh (*Fails*)
A Tung Yueh Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Ying - Pengli
Hsiung-Nu:
A Hsiangping - Choson (*Fails*)
A Nan Yubeiping Hold
A Yubeiping Supports A Nan Yubeiping
Shu:
A Ba Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Chang'an Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung (*Cut*)
A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Hsi Yueh Supports A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Cut*)
A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Dislodged*)





--
Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin,
Knight of the Rose
Spring 365 Adjucation (dc207) scaponig Feb 07, 10:46 pm
Yes, I am dumb!
I don't know how I thought that, but this was the fall adjucation.

Thanks!

Steve

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com> wrote:

From: Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Spring 365 Adjucation
To: "Steve Caponigri" <scaponig(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com, DC207(at)diplomaticcorp.com, eduardo.kyono(at)hotmail.com, fimdoinicio(at)hotmail.com, ghostinashell_2000(at)yahoo.com, jrobfoster(at)gmail.com, jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com, rodtheworm(at)hotmail.com, "Michael Sims" <mike(at)southwall.com>, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Date: Saturday, February 7, 2009, 8:58 PM

Steve

wasn't this supposed to be a FALL adjduication? or is the site not up to date in this game?

Steve




2009/2/8 Steve Caponigri <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
[quote:406b4f0974] "Regard your soldiers as your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.
Look on them as your own beloved sons, and they will stand by you even unto death!"
~Sun Tsu

Sorry for the delay guys, here she goes:
Ch'in moves units towards the front as the first real fleet action takes place with Chi taking Choson!

Chin A Hanchung can retreat to Pei Daiyeng or Ying.
Shu A Pengli can retreat to Tung Ying.
Lee, If you want to retreat OTB, just lemme know ASAP.
Jack, soon as you get me that retreat, we can move on to fall. Let's set the deadline at Tuesday, Feb 10, at 23:59

Chii:
A Lintse Supports A Sung
A Nan Tsechuan Supports A Sung
F North Choson Sea - Choson
F South Choson Sea Supports F North Choson Sea - Choson
A Sung Supports A Lintse
Chin:
A Chinyang - Wei
A Chou Supports A Chinyang - Wei
A Hanchung Supports A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Dislodged*)
A Handan Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Rong - Tung Cherchen
A Tung Chinyang Supports A Nan Yubeiping
A Wuyuan - Hsianyang
A Yueyang - Chang'an (*Fails*)
Chu:
A Chen Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Nanchin - Hsi Yueh (*Fails*)
A Tung Yueh Supports A Ying - Pengli
A Ying - Pengli
Hsiung-Nu:
A Hsiangping - Choson (*Fails*)
A Nan Yubeiping Hold
A Yubeiping Supports A Nan Yubeiping
Shu:
A Ba Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Chang'an Supports A Daiyeng - Hanchung (*Cut*)
A Daiyeng - Hanchung
A Hsi Yueh Supports A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Cut*)
A Pengli - Tung Yueh (*Dislodged*)





--
Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin,
Knight of the Rose

[/quote:406b4f0974]
DC-239 House Rules - TheWhiteWolf   (Feb 07, 2009, 2:07 pm)
I've had a request to mail out my house rules. They are, of course, posted on the DC website, but here they are for your convenience.

Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

=========================================

House Rules, Simplified
24 Dec 2008

In no particular order:

1. All standard rules of Diplomacy apply. Specific version of the rulebook is insignificant; however, all GM rulings stand.

2. Delays will be kept at a minimum. Missing a deadline (even by a few minutes) will result in punitive action. The first missed deadline will earn a public warning and an NMR. The second missed deadline will result in immediate replacement.

2a. If a country stands at less than three Supply Centers at the time of the second missed deadline, the player will not be replaced. Instead, the country will be placed in Civil Disorder until all remaining SCs are captured by other powers.

3. Personal attacks against other players or the GM will not be tolerated. Any player known by the GM to have made an attack of this nature will be given one warning, and ejected from the game upon a second offense.

4. Extensions will be allowed or denied on a case-by-case basis by the GM. Extensions on the current turn are strongly frowned upon, but will still be granted if the GM deems it detrimental to the game to do otherwise. Do not dispute any GM ruling on an extension, as the GMs word is final in this matter.

5. Player or GM impersonation is strictly off limits, and will be cause for immediate ejection of the offender from the game.

6. All order sets should be emailed directly to the GM, and only the GM, with the following Subject Line template: "[Game Number] [Season and Year] [Country] [Version Number]". For instance, "DC 222 Spring 1901 Germany Version 1", or some semblance thereof. Any order sets not emailed directly and solely to the GM, or with an inappropriate Subject Line, are not guaranteed to be accepted.

6a. If a receipt of orders is not received for an order set in a reasonable amount of time, the player should assume that the orders were not received and resend. If an NMR is announced for a turn, and the player does not have an order receipt from the GM, the NMR will stand.

6b. Only one order per unit per season will be accepted. If the last received order set for a season contains more or less than one order for a given unit, that unit will remain unordered for that season.

6c. All order sets should contain a full set of orders. If a subsequent version of orders is sent (i.e., Version 2,) previously received orders will be completely disregarded, regardless of completeness of the most recently received order set. No assumptions will be made as to player intentions for a unit thus unordered.

7. In the case of a multi-coastal province, where a fleet is involved, a coast must always be specified. Failure to specify a coast in such a situation will result in the fleet remaining unordered. Again, no assumptions will be made as to player intentions in such a situation.

8. If an error exists in an adjudication, the mistake must be brought to the GMs attention before the subsequent deadline. If an error remains after the next deadline, it will stand.

9. Any End Game state may be proposed by any player at any time. Only proposals made directly and solely to the GM will be considered official proposals. All End Game proposals will be voted on by all remaining players. All proposals must be unanimously voted on by all remaining players to succeed. A player may vote no even to a proposal that player put forward.

9a. If multiple proposals all pass unanimously in the same turn, draws including fewer players or solos will take precedence over draws including more players.

9b. At no time can an eliminated player be part of a draw or have a vote in a draw. Only active players can vote in a any draw proposal.

9c. If a game appears to be stalemated, the GM may choose to declare the game a DIAS if there appears to be no substantial change to the board dynamics for 4 consecutive turns (2 game years.) This rule is most likely to apply where some power(s) have demonstrated a stalemate line that cannot be broken given a fixed set of defensive orders. If the No Substantial Change rule is to be invoked, the GM will notify the players after the 2nd season (1 game year) of effect, allowing the players at least one full year to consider the implications of a potential stalemate. Any declared stalemate will be a DIAS where all players in control of at least 1 supply center will share equally in a draw. Some things that may break a stalemate are: The capture of a supply center; Dislodging a unit; or Player request, with explanation of why the game is not stalemated (ultimately at the GMs discretion.)

10. In any situation not covered in these House Rules, the GM has final say. If a player remains unsatisfied by the GMs ruling, that player may request that the GM consult the DiplomaticCorp moderators. The GM will always honor this request, if made, regardless of the situation.

[Reply]

DC-239 Thanks! - TheWhiteWolf   (Feb 07, 2009, 2:03 pm)
Folks,
Darryl brought up a good point. There is no firm deadline yet, as I'm moving next week. However, expect the deadline to be sometime the week after next. Get your orders in accordingly, because I plan to set a deadline as soon as I have an internet connection at my new place. The deadline may be as short as a couple days at that point, because you will already have had ample time to negotiate.

The White Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:


Wolf,

I'm sorry, I may have missed it . . . but do we have a deadline set yet?

Thanks,
Darryl (Austria)

[Reply]

DC 225 Winter 1903 Results - AlanRFarrington   (Feb 07, 2009, 12:57 pm)
Hey Everyone,

I have completely recovered my struggle with the Captain last night and am ready to adjudicate this morning.

Orders
:
Austria:
Build A Budapest

Germany:
Build A Kiel

Turkey:
Remove A Ankara

Next Deadline:
I am tentatively scheduling Spring 1904 for Friday February 13th at Midnight GMT (7:00PM EST). This is subject to change as one of our members is having a rough schedule coming up. Let me know if this date doesn't work out for any of you.


Players:

Austria: Santiago Villamayor (svillamayor(at)mail.cl)
England: Mark Utterback (MDemagogue(at)gmail.com)
France: Anthony Stevens (AandTStevens(at)GMail.com)
Germany: Jyri Syrja (jyjusy(at)hotmail.com)
Italy: Eugene S. (icarusflier(at)gmail.com)
Russia: Rachael Jameson (verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com)
Turkey: Michael Holm (Zipholm(at)hotmail.com)


Ownership of Supply Centers:


Austria: Budapest, Bulgaria, Rumania, Serbia, Trieste, Vienna.
England: Denmark, Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway, Sweden.
France: Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Belgium, Berlin, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Greece, Naples, Rome, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Moscow, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Smyrna.

Your humble GM (who remembered the maps this time!),
Alan Farirngton
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Unknown - sgttodd   (Feb 07, 2009, 12:32 pm)
The deadline for stardate 2378.5 adjustments is: Tuesday, February 10th; 2359 UTC

Adjustments:

Borg: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Dominion: 12 Supply centers, 11 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Ferengi: 11 Supply centers, 11 Units: Builds 0 units.
Klingon: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Romulan: 10 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 1 unit.

Unit locations:

Borg: F 5725, A 5215, F Devore Imperium, F Vidiian Solidarity, F Kazon Collective, F 2825, F North-West Passage, F VaaDwaur.
Dominion: F Cardassia Prime, F Sol, A Bajor, F Nehru, F D06, F D07, F D09, F D11, F Torga, F Hurq, F Trialus.
Ferengi: F Amleth, A Thalos, F Irt, F Kalidar, F Trill, F Tezenketh, F Galen, F Gemulon, F Izar, F Megara, F Orellius.
Klingon: F Kelvas, F Capella, F Castor, F Paulsons Nebula, F Terra Nova, F Gorn, F Tholia, F Tybellia, F D12.
Romulan: F Badlands, F Tarrod, A Betazed, F Barradas II, F Bolarus, F Korniforous, F Antares, F Zakdorn, F Caldos.

Ownership of supply centers:

Borg: Borg Unicomplex, 3249, 4050, 5215, Devore Imperium, Bomar Soveriegnty, Vidiian Solidarity, Kazon Collective.
Dominion: Cardassia Prime, Idran, Korill Prime, Omarion, Sol, Bajor, Argratha, Breen, Gavara, Merik, New Bajor, Torga.
Ferengi: ChinToka, Lazon, Feringinar, Clarus, Thalos, Deneb, Kalidar, Kobheeria, Talar, Trill, Tezenketh.
Klingon: Archanis, Khitomer, Qonos, Vulcan, Gorn, Tholia, tessen, Zalkon.
Romulan: Romulus, Remus, Pretorian, Alpha Centauri, Betazed, Korniforous, Antares, FCG-J25, Zakdorn, Gamma Hydrae.

Movement results for stardate 2378.3

Borg: F 4762 - Kazon Collective.
Borg: A 5215 Hold.
Borg: F Devore Imperium - D08 (*Bounce*).
Borg: F 2825 - Devore Imperium (*Fails*).
Borg: F North-West Passage Supports F Kazon Collective - D12.
Borg: F The Swarm - Vidiian Solidarity.
Borg: F D01 - VaaDwaur.
Borg: F D04 - 5725.

Dominion: F Cardassia Prime Supports A Bajor.
Dominion: F Varala - Torga.
Dominion: F Sol - Alpha Centauri (*Bounce*).
Dominion: A Bajor Supports F Cardassia Prime.
Dominion: F Nehru - Korniforous (*Fails*).
Dominion: F D06 - D07 (*Fails*).
Dominion: F D07 - D08 (*Bounce*).
Dominion: F Torga - D09.
Dominion: F Black Cluster - Trialus.
Dominion: F Hurq - D12 (*Fails*).
Dominion: F Obatta Cluster - D11.

Ferengi: F ChinToka - Amleth.
Ferengi: F Olmerak - Tezenketh.
Ferengi: F Feringinar - Irt.
Ferengi: A Thalos Hold.
Ferengi: F Irt - Gemulon.
Ferengi: F Castor - Trill.
Ferengi: F Kalidar - Izar (*Bounce*).
Ferengi: F Galen Supports F Castor - Trill.
Ferengi: F Izar - Badlands (*Fails*).
Ferengi: F Megara Supports F Castor - Trill.
Ferengi: F Orellius Supports F Olmerak - Tezenketh.

Klingon: F Amleth - Kelvas.
Klingon: F Hatoria - Paulsons Nebula.
Klingon: F Briar Patch - Castor.
Klingon: F Terra Nova Supports F Trill - Capella.
Klingon: F Trill - Capella.
Klingon: F Gorn Supports F Tholia.
Klingon: F Tholia Supports F Briar Patch - Castor.
Klingon: F Tybellia Hold.
Klingon: F Kazon Collective - D12.

Romulan: F Badlands Supports F Tezenketh (*Cut*).
Romulan: F Pretorian - Caldos.
Romulan: F Belak - Barradas II.
Romulan: A Betazed Hold.
Romulan: F Bolarus - Alpha Centauri (*Bounce*).
Romulan: F Korniforous - Izar (*Bounce*).
Romulan: F Tezenketh Supports F Badlands (*Disbanded*).
Romulan: F FCG-J25 - Antares.
Romulan: F Zakdorn Hold.
Romulan: F Gamma Hydrae - Tarrod.

Deadline for stardate 2378.5 adjustments: Tuesday, February 10th; 2359 UTC
files: http://mainecav.org/diplomacy

Q

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DC-239 Thanks! - dipknight   (Feb 07, 2009, 8:05 am)
Wolf,

I'm sorry, I may have missed it . . . but do we have a deadline set yet?

Thanks,
Darryl (Austria)


On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:31 PM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Wow, you guys are really on the ball. I have seven confirmations already.

Now just don't NMR the whole game! Surprised)

The White Wolf

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http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

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DC 218 SHIFT LEFT: GAME ON HOLD - packrat   (Feb 07, 2009, 6:18 am)
No word from Germany so I am going to have to get a replacement for him.

Austria retreats to GOL and England retreats to VIE. I will update the map
later today.

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Dc212 Attention France/Russia - deathblade_penguin   (Feb 07, 2009, 3:00 am)
Dear Dc 212ers.

I have failed to receive moves from France (Patrick Canning) and Russia (Taylor McQuilliams)

I have emailed both parties separately with no response.

Both players have not yet NMRd in this game, so I will be VERY leient to them and give them until

Tuesday 10th February at 7pm (Australian EST) to send moves to me. At this day and time, if I do not have moves from them - they will suffer an NMR.

Also - if they send moves to Rachael instead of me, they will NOT be counted. Moves must be received by me at this or my gmail address.

Any other player is welcome to change their moves up until I adjudicate.

However I will adjudicate as soon as I have both sets of missing moves, or the deadline is reached - whichever happens first.


Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Inferno
Moderator of www.diplomaticcorp.com


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Dc 220 Attention Italy and Austria. - deathblade_penguin   (Feb 07, 2009, 2:54 am)
Dear Dc 220ers.

I have failed to receive moves form Italy (Kevin Deitz) and Austria (Jason Beck)

I have emailed both parties separately with no response.

Both players have not yet NMRd in this game, so I will be VERY leient to them and give them until

Tuesday 10th February at 7pm (Australian EST) to send moves to me. At this day and time, if I do not have moves from them - they will suffer an NMR.

Also - if they send moves to Rachael instead of me, they will NOT be counted. Moves must be received by me at this or my gmail address.

Any other player is welcome to change their moves up until I adjudicate.

However I will adjudicate as soon as I have both sets of missing moves, or the deadline is reacher - whichever happens first.


Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Inferno
Moderator of www.diplomaticcorp.com






Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 09:31:26 -0800
From: verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC 220 Temp Change of GM
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CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com

Folks,
As some of you know things have been pretty hectic in my house lately. The kids and I came down with a horrible stomach virus that I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. The kids and I are finally better but we just received word that my husband is being sent back to his home base a few days earlier. That leaves me little less then a week to get packed, find us a truck and an apartment in San Antonio. During this time Stephen Lytton will be taking over GMing for you go so all orders from now on are to be sent to stevelytton(at)hotmail.com.
As soon as we get into San Antonio and we get settled I will take back over. Stephen will be setting a new deadline I believe. Have fun guys and take care. I'll be back in about 2 -3 weeks.. ( hopefully 2! )

-Rachael

Combine your email accounts here! Want to marry your mail?

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DC 225: Short Extension - AlanRFarrington   (Feb 07, 2009, 12:45 am)
There will be a short deadline extension due to the fact that the GM had a small run in with a Captain...I believe his last name was Morgan. Anyway I'll try to get the winter adjudication out saturday "morning" and by morning I mean ~3pm.

Thanks for your patience,
Alan Farrington
Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. See how it works.

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DC-239 Thanks! - TheWhiteWolf   (Feb 06, 2009, 10:32 pm)
Wow, you guys are really on the ball. I have seven confirmations already.

Now just don't NMR the whole game! Surprised)

The White Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

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DC-239 Thanks! (dc239) dipknight Feb 07, 08:05 am
Wolf,

I'm sorry, I may have missed it . . . but do we have a deadline set yet?

Thanks,
Darryl (Austria)


On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 9:31 PM, The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com ([email]cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:

Wow, you guys are really on the ball. I have seven confirmations already.

Now just don't NMR the whole game! Surprised)

The White Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

DC-239 Thanks! (dc239) TheWhiteWolf Feb 07, 02:03 pm
Folks,
Darryl brought up a good point. There is no firm deadline yet, as I'm moving next week. However, expect the deadline to be sometime the week after next. Get your orders in accordingly, because I plan to set a deadline as soon as I have an internet connection at my new place. The deadline may be as short as a couple days at that point, because you will already have had ample time to negotiate.

The White Wolf

I'm a Firefly fan and proud! Read my fiction:
http://www.fanfiction.net/u/1369632/

--- On Sat, 2/7/09, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:


Wolf,

I'm sorry, I may have missed it . . . but do we have a deadline set yet?

Thanks,
Darryl (Austria)

DC223 - Grey Press - bielf11   (Feb 06, 2009, 10:19 pm)
The Times reports the King's response to russians advances as "they're in Liverpool? Dont they realise they will leave with less than they arrived?"

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DC223 - Autumn 1904 adjudication - bielf11   (Feb 06, 2009, 10:12 pm)
Autumn 1904:
Austria: F Greece, no move received (*Disbanded*)
England: F Norway - Skagerrak
Italy: A Trieste - Venice
Thus ends the reign of the Austrian Emperor. Thanks for playing Jack.

And at the end of this fourth year of raging wars across Europe, the Russian Bear seems to have taken a strong lead amongst the Powers.
It is entitled to 4 extra units but has only 3 Home SC available for Builds. With the departure of Austria now also Turkey has started to expand its empire.
France and Germany are still locked in a stalemate along their border. Italy and more so England had to give up terrain to the Russians.

Adjustments:
---------------------
England: Supp 3 Unit 5 Remove 2
France: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Germany: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 5 Remove 1
Russia: Supp 11 Unit 7 Build 3
Turkey: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1

Deadline for Winter 1904 adjustments is Monday Feb 9 at 23:00 GMT.

Frank

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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD - vegas_iwish   (Feb 06, 2009, 8:47 pm)
I didn't think I'd see days like these either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue. Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7 moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS

[Reply]

DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) jason4747 Feb 09, 11:36 am
Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to drugs.

Jason





Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com; Githraine(at)yahoo.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; zeclient(at)hotmail.com; salexander37(at)gmail.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; mike(at)southwall.com
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com

I didn't think I'd see days like these either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue. Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7 moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS






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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) FuzzyLogic Feb 09, 11:46 am
MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the lettering could be read as either one.
-mike



From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to drugs.

Jason





Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com; Githraine(at)yahoo.com; former.trout(at)gmail.com; zeclient(at)hotmail.com; salexander37(at)gmail.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; mike(at)southwall.com
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com

I didn't think I'd see days like these either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue. Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7 moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS







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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) former.trout Feb 09, 01:21 pm
Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of the game that he was going to be taking a strict interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order disallowed because I didn't call the province the right name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the lettering could be read as either one.
-mike



From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD



Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to drugs.

Jason





[quote:ef5e740401]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]); former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]); salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]); mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue. Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7 moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS







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[/quote:ef5e740401]
DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) FuzzyLogic Feb 09, 01:27 pm
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST, or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the GM, then what can we rely on?


From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of the game that he was going to be taking a strict interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order disallowed because I didn't call the province the right name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the lettering could be read as either one.
-mike



From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD



Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to drugs.

Jason





[quote:80cdc766fe]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]); former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]); salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]); mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue. Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7 moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS







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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) vegas_iwish Feb 09, 01:50 pm
1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com> wrote:

From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





> Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
> From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com
> Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
> To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com; Githraine(at)yahoo.com;
former.trout(at)gmail.com; zeclient(at)hotmail.com;
salexander37(at)gmail.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca;
mike(at)southwall.com
> CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
>
> I didn't think I'd see days like these
either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
> or WTi or CJa(nc).
> Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.
>
> Indonesia:
> F And - Bur (*Fails*)
> F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
> F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
> F PHe - SIO
> F Jak Hold
> F Med Hold
> A Sab - Kuc
> A Kuc - WKa
>
> Malaysia:
> F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
> A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)
>
> Philippines:
> F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
> F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
> F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
> F Ara - BaS
> F Ceb - SSe
> A Luz - Man
> F Tai Supports F SCS
>
> Thailand:
> F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
> F MSe - Jav
> F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
> F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
> F SpI - MSe
> F Ked - MSt
> A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
> A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
> A Bur Hold
>
> Vietnam:
> F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
> F SSe - SpI
> F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
> F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
> A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
> F Fuj - SCS
> F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS
>
>
>
>
>



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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) roback80 Feb 09, 01:52 pm
Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:60e743da9e]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) FuzzyLogic Feb 09, 02:04 pm
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:4603e17e2c]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) roback80 Feb 09, 02:07 pm
I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:875da8a92c]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) vegas_iwish Feb 09, 02:16 pm
A warning for Hed vs Med had come before. Malaysian sea looks the exact same as far as H vs M. This late in game there is no excuse to even put forward. Looking at & reading the map there is no room for question.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com> wrote:

From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:59 AM
So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael
does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the
map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which
are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like
HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if
you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on
it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is
silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map
that's sent out.
-mike


________________________________

From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia
Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts;
DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a
lot less work too!


________________________________

From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Michael
Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>;
158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>;
209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts
<salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley
<rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton
<stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters
in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier
errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white
flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
wrote:

[quote:6c8e327307]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout"

<former.trout(at)gmail.com>

Cc: "Jason 4747"

<jason4747(at)hotmail.com>, "209GM MICHAEL
BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>,
"158NewArchersJason Longbow"
<githraine(at)yahoo.com>, "209Australia Nick
Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>, "209China
(tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com>,
"209Vietnam Rob Ackerley"
<rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>, "DC101tGMStephen
Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>,
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com

Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like

HST,

or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we

cant rely

on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving

from the

GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT;

158NewArchersJason

Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby)

Jacob

Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen

Lytton;

dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However,

to be

fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the

beginning of

the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an

order

disallowed because I didn't call the province the

right

name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation

in

brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to

make. =)


T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are

we not

allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason

Longbow;

209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick

Cherrier;

209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob

Ackerley;

Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton;

dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com

Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen,

but it is

no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a

lesson to

you - multitasking just does not work. And just say

no to

drugs.

Jason





[quote:6c8e327307]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com;

[/quote:6c8e327307]Githraine(at)yahoo.com;

former.trout(at)gmail.com; zeclient(at)hotmail.com;
salexander37(at)gmail.com; rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca;
mike(at)southwall.com
[quote:6c8e327307]CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com;

[/quote:6c8e327307]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com

[quote:6c8e327307]
I didn't think I'd see days like

[/quote:6c8e327307]these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map

but it

is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map

issue.

Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3.

Only 7

moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given

but F

Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi
[quote:6c8e327307]or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) former.trout Feb 09, 02:29 pm
Its not actually a debate. Whatever our opinions are, Michael made his ruling. =)

T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])> wrote:

I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>

To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM

Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD




So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:a55c227f58]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:a55c227f58]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) FuzzyLogic Feb 09, 02:31 pm
I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:cebe04216c]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) former.trout Feb 09, 03:02 pm
I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...

What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:f6b157ea3e]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:f6b157ea3e]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) FuzzyLogic Feb 09, 03:12 pm
Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.


From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...

What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:4f6bf6e59e]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:4f6bf6e59e]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) former.trout Feb 09, 03:35 pm
I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.

Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:


As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not


What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.


For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.


Trout




On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.


From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...

What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f8412ebb61] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:f8412ebb61]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:f8412ebb61]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) FuzzyLogic Feb 09, 03:47 pm
Are you serious??

The rule ALSO says:

The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. However if an order is unclear and not clarified by the deadline, the order will be declared void and the unit will hold. Abbreviations that could be applied to more than one space on the map (such as NOR and LIV) should be avoided. EG Lvp or Liverpool for Liverpool and Lvn or Livonia or Livonia.

"The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations". That is blatantly clear!

Is this a "reasonable abbreviation"? Well it's on the map, it looks like HST to me. I would say it counts as "reasonable", as in it can be reasoned that that space would be HST by the writing on the map.

Is the order unclear? Well could HST be anything else on the map? Let's look at the map. Nope... there it is. Right there, one space. Even labeled HST (or is it MST? I cant tell)

If you're going to suggest we follow the rules, then I think there is absolutely no grounded case to say HST should fail!

I am not trying to pressure anyone. Tho you seem to think we should not even discuss it like gentlemen. Other players were even joking about it. I would say there is no pressure, just bewilderment as to why the above rule is not being applied, when it seems very appropriate that HST is not ambiguous, can not be mistaken for anywhere else, and it's LABELED ON THE MAP as such, in such a bad font, that one cant possibly tell if it's HST or MST. And the rules of the game clearly state The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. So it fails???

Come on Trout you usually stand up for following the rules... this is a weird position for you to take.

-mike



From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:34 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.

Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:


As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not


What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.


For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.


Trout




On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.


From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...

What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b67ee9c41f] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:b67ee9c41f]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:b67ee9c41f]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) former.trout Feb 09, 04:08 pm
What is 'reasonable' is defined by the GM. Not just in this game, but in any PBEM game. Obviously in this case, Michael (the GM) feels differently about it then you do.

Anyways, I apologize to my fellow players for the public argument. I'll just shut up now. =P


Trout

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

Are you serious??

The rule ALSO says:

The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. However if an order is unclear and not clarified by the deadline, the order will be declared void and the unit will hold. Abbreviations that could be applied to more than one space on the map (such as NOR and LIV) should be avoided. EG Lvp or Liverpool for Liverpool and Lvn or Livonia or Livonia.

"The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations". That is blatantly clear!

Is this a "reasonable abbreviation"? Well it's on the map, it looks like HST to me. I would say it counts as "reasonable", as in it can be reasoned that that space would be HST by the writing on the map.

Is the order unclear? Well could HST be anything else on the map? Let's look at the map. Nope... there it is. Right there, one space. Even labeled HST (or is it MST? I cant tell)

If you're going to suggest we follow the rules, then I think there is absolutely no grounded case to say HST should fail!

I am not trying to pressure anyone. Tho you seem to think we should not even discuss it like gentlemen. Other players were even joking about it. I would say there is no pressure, just bewilderment as to why the above rule is not being applied, when it seems very appropriate that HST is not ambiguous, can not be mistaken for anywhere else, and it's LABELED ON THE MAP as such, in such a bad font, that one cant possibly tell if it's HST or MST. And the rules of the game clearly state The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. So it fails???

Come on Trout you usually stand up for following the rules... this is a weird position for you to take.

-mike



From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:34 PM

To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.

Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:


As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not


What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.


For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.


Trout




On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:95b76770da] Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.


From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...

What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:95b76770da] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:95b76770da]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
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Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:95b76770da]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
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I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) FuzzyLogic Feb 09, 04:28 pm
That's fine, I dont really care it's just a game... and an inactive one where 2 players aren't even diploming at that. I only brought up the rule cuz you brought up a rule first. And the rule I brought up clearly states that the abbreviation "will be accepted" unless you're going to argue that abbreviations printed on the map are not reasonable. (it seems you're making that argument?)

But what's done is done, I wouldnt mind having the map have clear abbreviations added, since the ones printed on the map are not reasonable to use. I have been going along this game, just guessing at the spots, under the premise that if an H was swapped for an M, it would be accepted, since they look the same. If that's not the case, then the map needs to be clarified, cuz that's all we have to go on.




From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 4:07 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


What is 'reasonable' is defined by the GM. Not just in this game, but in any PBEM game. Obviously in this case, Michael (the GM) feels differently about it then you do.

Anyways, I apologize to my fellow players for the public argument. I'll just shut up now. =P


Trout

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

Are you serious??

The rule ALSO says:

The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. However if an order is unclear and not clarified by the deadline, the order will be declared void and the unit will hold. Abbreviations that could be applied to more than one space on the map (such as NOR and LIV) should be avoided. EG Lvp or Liverpool for Liverpool and Lvn or Livonia or Livonia.

"The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations". That is blatantly clear!

Is this a "reasonable abbreviation"? Well it's on the map, it looks like HST to me. I would say it counts as "reasonable", as in it can be reasoned that that space would be HST by the writing on the map.

Is the order unclear? Well could HST be anything else on the map? Let's look at the map. Nope... there it is. Right there, one space. Even labeled HST (or is it MST? I cant tell)

If you're going to suggest we follow the rules, then I think there is absolutely no grounded case to say HST should fail!

I am not trying to pressure anyone. Tho you seem to think we should not even discuss it like gentlemen. Other players were even joking about it. I would say there is no pressure, just bewilderment as to why the above rule is not being applied, when it seems very appropriate that HST is not ambiguous, can not be mistaken for anywhere else, and it's LABELED ON THE MAP as such, in such a bad font, that one cant possibly tell if it's HST or MST. And the rules of the game clearly state The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. So it fails???

Come on Trout you usually stand up for following the rules... this is a weird position for you to take.

-mike



From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:34 PM

To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.

Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:


As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not


What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.


For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.


Trout




On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:76315721ce] Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.


From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...

What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:76315721ce] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:76315721ce]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:76315721ce]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
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mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

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I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD (dc209) jason4747 Feb 11, 03:59 pm
Mike and Mike,

I do appreciate your argument on my behalf - for what it's worth I agree, but, Vegas is kind enough to be the GM and what the GM says, goes.

I also have to agree that someone did successfully reach the spot and I have gotten it correct in the past. Just too hurried this round. For whatever reason this last two weeks has been a buzzsaw at work for several of us who usually do pay good, close attention.

For what it's worth, the space in Australia's west Coast is hard to distinguish for the same reason so if anyone is able to fix it eventually it might be worth addressing for other provinces. The whole RP and other file types are beyond my technical capacity.

Anyway, lets play on, I think we are reaching critical mass anyway.

Jason







Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 14:27:33 -0800
From: mike(at)southwall.com
To: former.trout(at)gmail.com
CC: rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; jason4747(at)hotmail.com; githraine(at)yahoo.com; zeclient(at)hotmail.com; salexander37(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com


That's fine, I dont really care it's just a game... and an inactive one where 2 players aren't even diploming at that. I only brought up the rule cuz you brought up a rule first. And the rule I brought up clearly states that the abbreviation "will be accepted" unless you're going to argue that abbreviations printed on the map are not reasonable. (it seems you're making that argument?)

But what's done is done, I wouldnt mind having the map have clear abbreviations added, since the ones printed on the map are not reasonable to use. I have been going along this game, just guessing at the spots, under the premise that if an H was swapped for an M, it would be accepted, since they look the same. If that's not the case, then the map needs to be clarified, cuz that's all we have to go on.




From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 4:07 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


What is 'reasonable' is defined by the GM. Not just in this game, but in any PBEM game. Obviously in this case, Michael (the GM) feels differently about it then you do.

Anyways, I apologize to my fellow players for the public argument. I'll just shut up now. =P


Trout

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

Are you serious??

The rule ALSO says:

The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. However if an order is unclear and not clarified by the deadline, the order will be declared void and the unit will hold. Abbreviations that could be applied to more than one space on the map (such as NOR and LIV) should be avoided. EG Lvp or Liverpool for Liverpool and Lvn or Livonia or Livonia.

"The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations". That is blatantly clear!

Is this a "reasonable abbreviation"? Well it's on the map, it looks like HST to me. I would say it counts as "reasonable", as in it can be reasoned that that space would be HST by the writing on the map.

Is the order unclear? Well could HST be anything else on the map? Let's look at the map. Nope... there it is. Right there, one space. Even labeled HST (or is it MST? I cant tell)

If you're going to suggest we follow the rules, then I think there is absolutely no grounded case to say HST should fail!

I am not trying to pressure anyone. Tho you seem to think we should not even discuss it like gentlemen. Other players were even joking about it. I would say there is no pressure, just bewilderment as to why the above rule is not being applied, when it seems very appropriate that HST is not ambiguous, can not be mistaken for anywhere else, and it's LABELED ON THE MAP as such, in such a bad font, that one cant possibly tell if it's HST or MST. And the rules of the game clearly state The GM will accept all reasonable abbreviations. So it fails???

Come on Trout you usually stand up for following the rules... this is a weird position for you to take.

-mike



From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:34 PM

To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I'll ignore the inflammatory stuff in this email and just focus on the pertinent detail.

Michael uses the default DC house rules, according to the game page. Point 4 of those HRs - (which YOU helped write might I add) state:


As always in all DC games, the GM of the game has the final say and final decision on all matters relating to the game, whether they are covered in the rules or not


What I think of the decision, or what you think of the decision is frankly irrelevent. Michael made the call, based on player questions reconsidered it, and then kept with the original ruling.


For the record, I would have had no problem bouncing in MST if Michael had reversed his decision. BUT - I DO have a problem with a player attempting to loudly pressure the GM into doing so. Especially when that player knows better.


Trout




On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:11 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:da3e25679a] Point? That a player wrote an order, using the letters printed on the map, which as best I can tell by actually looking at the map the M and the H are indistinguishable, yet it was misordered. The order was not ambiguous - if there was another space nearby that was HST, then MST and HST need to be different. But given that's how it's labeled, I see no reason not to accept it. But I guess there's no point, and it's in your best interest to see to it that nothing is changed, but I did want to voice that it was a challengeable ruling, and so I challenged it. Er seconded Jason's challenge rather. Am I not entitled to challenge a ruling? Michael has made his statement, doesnt mean I cant point out that a player used the abbreviation printed on the map, and that was misordered cuz apparently we're supposed to make up our own abbreviation based on the textual wording which only exists on some of the provinces. Because you did get it right, I'll give you a pat on the back for that. I never suggested invalidating your order.


From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 3:01 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Rob Ackerley; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I don't know if I buy that argument. I used the same map that the GM sent out and ordered to the same spot. Somehow I managed to get the correct abbreviation...

What exactly is the point of all of this, Mike? Again - I don't know if I agree with the call made by the GM, but it is definitely HIS call to make...


T.

On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:da3e25679a] I know you were, and it was amusing, and it does exemplify the fact that using an unrelated 3rd party app we'd be correct, but using the maps our gm sends out, we'd get misorders. (it was also nice to get an email from you Rob, I think this conversation has resulted in us doubling our total communique in this game thus far! :-p)


From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]

Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 2:07 PM
To: Michael Sims; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout

Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD





I was just trying to interject some humour... I am torn and we all have probably been on both sides of choices like this... Sucks yes, but part of the game and part of the duty of the GM's who graciously grant us their time to manage our games.

I jumping out of this debate now...


From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
To: Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:59:35 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

So we need to rely on a 3rd-party program, which Michael does not send out the .dpy files for, instead of using the map he does send, which does have abbreviations on it which are supposedly to be accepted? It definitely looks like HST, irrelevant of what the actual text name is.

Can you at least pls take the abbreviations off the map, if you're not going to allow the ones that are printed on it?

I guess I didnt look at the error initially, but this is silly to not accept an abbrev that's on the map that's sent out.
-mike



From: Rob Ackerley [mailto:rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:51 PM
To: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email]); Former Trout; Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 158NewArchersJason Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Cut and paste from RP Smile Saves all the problems and is a lot less work too!


From: MICHAEL BOUTOT <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Cc: Jason 4747 <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 158NewArchersJason Longbow <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; 209Australia Nick Cherrier <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; 209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>; DC101tGMStephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Monday, February 9, 2009 1:49:43 PM
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD

1 can clearly read Malacca Strait underneath the 3 letters in dispute. That alone makes it clear. The other earlier errors had the same conflict that should have raised a white flag.


--- On Mon, 2/9/09, Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:

[quote:da3e25679a]From: Michael Sims <mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])>
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: "Former Trout" <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: "Jason 4747" <jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT" <vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "158NewArchersJason Longbow" <githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email])>, "209Australia Nick Cherrier" <zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, "209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts" <salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email])>, "209Vietnam Rob Ackerley" <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email])>, "DC101tGMStephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>, dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Date: Monday, February 9, 2009, 11:24 AM
Yeah but you have to agree the map clearly looks like HST,
or certainly could be read that way. I mean if we cant rely
on the abbreviations on the map we're receiving from the
GM, then what can we rely on?

________________________________

From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 1:20 PM
To: Michael Sims
Cc: Jason 4747; 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason
Longbow; 209Australia Nick Cherrier; 209China (tubby) Jacob
Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley; DC101tGMStephen Lytton;
dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: Re: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Personally I would allow the move as well. However, to be
fair to Michael, he identified WAY early at the beginning of
the game that he was going to be taking a strict
interpretation of the abbreviations. I almost had an order
disallowed because I didn't call the province the right
name - but luckily I included the correct abbreviation in
brackets...

Long story short, I'd say its the GMs call to make. =)

T.


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Michael Sims
<mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])> wrote:


MST and HST look identical in that font. Why are we not
allowing that move? It's not ambiguous, and the
lettering could be read as either one.
-mike


________________________________

From: Jason 4747 [mailto:jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Mon 2/9/2009 11:35 AM
To: 209GM MICHAEL BOUTOT; 158NewArchersJason Longbow;
209Thailand Trout former.trout; 209Australia Nick Cherrier;
209China (tubby) Jacob Roberts; 209Vietnam Rob Ackerley;
Michael Sims
Cc: DC101tGMStephen Lytton; dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Subject: RE: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD


Mike,

To be fair, MSt almost equals HSt on my screen, but it is
no excuse for goegraphy stupidity on my part....

As for that and other error, kids, let it be a lesson to
you - multitasking just does not work. And just say no to
drugs.

Jason





[quote:da3e25679a]Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2009 18:46:41 -0800
From: vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com ([email]vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: DC209 F08 STRANGE DAYS AHEAD
To: jason4747(at)hotmail.com ([email]jason4747(at)hotmail.com[/email]); Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]);

former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); zeclient(at)hotmail.com ([email]zeclient(at)hotmail.com[/email]);
salexander37(at)gmail.com ([email]salexander37(at)gmail.com[/email]); rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca ([email]rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca[/email]);
mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])

CC: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc209(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])

I didn't think I'd see days like these

either. John Lennon. P was on the road away from map but it
is I's moves which are the show. 1. Malacca Strait
clearly can't be HST so not a reading the map issue.
Hold. 2. F jak move to Cjak has no coast. Hold. 3. Only 7
moves - none for F Jav. Hold. The 1 P ret is a given but F
Jav can go many places. Mon due. Indonesian F Jav can
retreat to NIO or Bal or SlS or Slw or ETi

or WTi or CJa(nc).
Philippine F SCS can retreat to Luz.

Indonesia:
F And - Bur (*Fails*)
F TiS Supports F PHe - SIO
F Jav, no move received (*Dislodged*)
F PHe - SIO
F Jak Hold
F Med Hold
A Sab - Kuc
A Kuc - WKa

Malaysia:
F Bru Supports A Sab - Kuc
A Pah - KLu (*Fails*)

Philippines:
F NPS - ECS (*Fails*)
F SCS Supports F NPS - ECS (*Dislodged*)
F SuS Supports F Ceb - SSe
F Ara - BaS
F Ceb - SSe
A Luz - Man
F Tai Supports F SCS

Thailand:
F GTh - Tha(ec) (*Bounce*)
F MSe - Jav
F Sur Supports F MSe - Jav
F Sin Supports F MSe - Jav
F SpI - MSe
F Ked - MSt
A KBh - Tha (*Bounce*)
A KLu Supports F Sin (*Cut*)
A Bur Hold

Vietnam:
F ECS - NPS (*Fails*)
F SSe - SpI
F ViS Supports F Fuj - SCS
F Sai Supports F SpI - MSe
A HKo - Dav (*Fails*)
F Fuj - SCS
F Guz Supports F Fuj - SCS








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DC201 (Viking) - Fall 962 adjudication - bielf11   (Feb 06, 2009, 6:58 pm)
Fall 962: Winter is near and even on the island of Palermo the Norse Fleet starts to feel a chill.
Wait a minute! Since when are the Norse bothered with a bit of cold wind, especially in the heart of the Mediterranean? That would be a first. Hmm, perhaps it's then the advancing Roman fleets that gave them the shivers.
So guess what the Norse did? Like anyone else would do: warm themselves at a cozy fire of Palermo wood ! Until the Roman fleet from the Libyan Sea with support from the neighbouring Romans on the island of Syracuse, finish any Norse they can find.

But that's not the only thing worth mentioning. For the first time in years there seems to be a change, or at least a little shift, in the balance of Powers.
Nowhere along the Praha, Graz and Venezia borders has fighting erupted between Romans and Burgundians. Is this just clever deployment of the Burgundian units or could this be a sign of an upcoming truce? The attack on Pisa and Tyrrhenian Sea however seem to contradict this. A surprise is further east in the Roman empire that the Slavs take Kaffa from the Romans. Seems to contradict the pact the Slavs and Romans demonstrate in Breslau to keep it out of the hands of the Swedes. Thus the Slavs can deploy their units to force the Swedes out of Gdansk. The Swedes are successful against Slavs elsewhere though: they force the Slavs out of Karelia. Almost a one for one trade except that Gdansk is a SC whereas Karelia is not.

Retreats are required for 3 Powers at the end of Fall 962. See below.

Adjudication:
--------------------
Burgundy:
A Bavaria Supports A Tirol
F Cagliari Supports F Strait of Sicily - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Genova Supports A Lombardy - Pisa
F Gulf of Lyons - Western Mediterranean Sea
A Hessen Supports A Brandenburg
A Lombardy - Pisa (*Fails*)
A Mainz - Zurich (*Fails*)
A Marseilles Supports A Genova
A St. Gallen Supports A Tirol
F Strait of Sicily - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Tirol Supports A Zurich - Lombardy (*Fails*)
F Western Mediterranean Sea - Strait of Sicily
A Zurich - Lombardy (*Bounce*)

EasternRomanEmpire:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
A Ancona Supports A Pisa
A Barca - Tunis (*Bounce*)
A Buda Supports A Graz
F Cherson Bight Hold
F Eastern Mediterranean Sea - Libyan Sea (*Bounce*)
A Graz Supports A Praha
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Fails*)
F Libyan Sea - Palermo
A Macedonia - Ragusa
A Pest Supports A Praha
A Pisa Supports A Venezia (*Cut*)
A Praha Supports A Przemysl - Breslau
F Roma Supports F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea (*Cut*)
A Ruthenia Supports A Przemysl - Breslau
A Spalato Supports A Venezia
F Syracuse Supports F Libyan Sea - Palermo
A Trebizond Hold
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Strait of Sicily (*Dislodged*)
A Venezia Supports A Pisa

SlavicNations:
A Breslau - Gdansk
A Cumaniya - Kaffa
F Holmgard Supports A Karelia - Aldeigjuborg
A Karelia - Aldeigjuborg (*Dislodged*)
A Muscovy - Karelia (*Fails*)
A Prussia Supports A Breslau - Gdansk
A Przemysl - Breslau
A Vitebsk - Memel (*Fails*)


Norge:
F Berber Coast - Tunis (*Bounce*)
F English Channel Hold
A Helsingjaland - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
A Hordaland - Skiringssal
A Lapland - Kvenland (*Bounce*)
F Ligurian Sea - Roma (*Fails*)
A Maine Hold
F North Sea Hold
F Palermo DES Palermo (*Disbanded*)
A Savoie - Lombardy (*Bounce*)
F Sea of England Hold
A Serkland Supports F Berber Coast - Tunis (*Fails*)
A Tiundaland - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
F Tunis - Libyan Sea (*Bounce*)

Sverige:
A Aldeigjuborg Supports A Kvenland - Karelia
F Baltic Sea Supports A Memel
A Brandenburg Supports A Jomsborg - Breslau
A Gdansk - Prussia (*Dislodged*)
F Ingermannland Supports A Aldeigjuborg
A Jomsborg - Breslau (*Fails*)
A Kvenland - Karelia
A Mecklenburg - Jomsborg (*Fails*)
A Memel Supports A Gdansk - Prussia (*Cut*)
F Reval Supports A Memel
A Uppsala Hold


With the destruction of Palermo, the number of SCs has again decreased; it's now at 68.

Retreats:
--------------
Swedish A Gdansk can retreat to Pommern. Or OTB.
Slavic A Karelia can retreat to Bjarmaland or Arkhangelsk or Rostov. Or OTB.
Roman F Tyrrhenian Sea can retreat to Napoli. Or OTB.
Deadline for retreats is Sunday Feb 8, 23:00 GMT but I will adjudicate once all retreats are received.

Winter deadline will follow on Tuesday Feb 10 at 23:00 GMT.
Uptodate RP files will be included with the Autumn 962 adjudication.

Proposals up for voting with Spring 963 deadline:
1) Draw ERE/NOR
2) DIAS
3) Draw ERE/NOR/SLAV
You can send these in anytime before the S963 deadline.

Message from DC: Would you like to GM a game? Improve your skills and help out the club. We are always in need of new GMs. If you think you can help, please email Mike at mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email]) or Trout at former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])

Frank

[Reply]

DC232 autumn and winter 1904 results! - coryfucius   (Feb 06, 2009, 5:35 pm)
For the autumn retreats, the French fleet steams into Yorkshire, while the Italian army stays on the board and goes to Prussia.

In the winter, France builds two fleets plus an army in Paris, while Turkey raises an army in Ankara. Both powers with removals due fail to submit orders, so Russia's army in Ukraine is removed, as is Italy's recently retreated army in Prussia -- the army is 4 spaces away from Italy, while the fleet in Syria is only 3 spaces away.

Spring 1905 orders will be due Monday 2/9 at 3pm Central (US) / 21:00 GMT.

Cory

-----

Autumn 1904 retreats:

France:
F North Sea - Yorkshire

Italy:
A Berlin - Prussia

-----

Winter 1904 adjustments:

France:
Build F Marseilles
Build F Brest
Build A Paris

Italy: (GM applies CD rule)
Remove A Prussia

Russia: (GM applies CD rule)
Remove A Ukraine

Turkey:
Build A Ankara

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dc210 w07 builds! - FuzzyLogic   (Feb 06, 2009, 4:59 pm)
Russia builds an army in St.Petes, and Austria another fleet in Trieste. Those formalities out of the way, we sail along to Spring 08, due Thursday 2/12, 10am Pacific!

Enjoy,
-mike

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dc231 w04 builds! - FuzzyLogic   (Feb 06, 2009, 4:53 pm)
A very uneventful turn, as I have a whopping one order to report for my first stint as GM...

Russia:
Build A Moscow

Whew. Now how 'bout some real turns, spring 05 due Monday 6pm Central / midnight GMT.
Enjoy,
-mike

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DC234 Winter '04 Adjudication - Samnuva   (Feb 06, 2009, 4:41 pm)
And with the snow falling around our cities, it is time to reveal the
winter orders!
We had a retreat NMR by Austria, which is okay, since they both
disband anyway. He does get 2 NMR credits, however. Germany did get
his retreat in, and that sends Marseilles to Gascony. Our Spring 1905
deadline will be exactly what you think: Monday the 9th at 4:00 ET.

Anyway, The Builds:
Germany Disbands Munich
Italy: NMR
Russia: Builds Armies in Warsaw and Sevastopol.


-Sam Buck
Your GM

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DC 233: W1904 - AceRimmer   (Feb 06, 2009, 11:34 am)
The adjustments are in:

France:
Build A Brest

Germany:
Remove A Burgundy

Italy:
Build F Naples

Russia:
Build waived

Turkey:
Remove F Smyrna

Deadline Monday at 1000 CST. Please remember that there is a draw proposal on the table for AIR and no others. Any negative or absentee votes shall kill the proposal.

Adam

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