| DC215 Winter 1906 Results - MattTheLesser (Jan 28, 2009, 12:13 pm) |
And we move on to 1907 with diminished Turkish and French forces, a new
German army, and a trio of new units on the boot.
Spring 1907 will be due this coming Monday, February 2, at 9 pm eastern.
Matt
Adjustments:
France:
Remove A Gascony
Germany:
Build A Munich
Italy:
Build A Venice
Build F Rome
Build F Naples
Turkey:
Remove A Albania[Reply] |
| DC 164 - Arctic Warriors - Fall 1914 Results - Githraine (Jan 28, 2009, 10:58 am) |
Deadline Friday, Jan 30th
From: Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com>
To: coebq(at)yahoo.com; dc164(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Dominic DiPalantino <domdip(at)stanford.edu>; garry.bledsoe(at)alltel.com; jwhitlock(at)trojungbrannen.com; kielmarch(at)hotmail.com; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; samuel_buck(at)dalton.org; themaos(at)earthlink.net; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:55:32 AM
Subject: DC 164 - Arctic Warriors - Fall 1914 Results
1914 is not quite over, we have one retreat as England is Ejected from Norway.
I will take Builds with the Retreats though as England (and can only go to Finland or OTB) has 2 disbands, thanks to a very sneaky french Convoy on Italian ships to sack Liverpool.
We also have a call for a three way draw between Russia, Germany and Italy, with Survivorships for France and England.
As that is 29 SCs to 5, it sounds like a good deal 
Votes with the build orders, due Friday.
Germany and Russia each build one, England Disbands 2
Orders:
England:
F Helgoland Bight - Denmark (*Fails*)
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Dislodged*)
F Picardy - Brest (*Fails*)
France:
F Brest Hold
A Gascony - Liverpool
F Spain(sc) Hold
Germany:
A Belgium Supports A Holland
F Denmark - North Sea (*Bounce*)
A Holland Supports A Belgium
A Kiel Supports A Holland
F London - North Sea (*Bounce*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
A Warsaw - Silesia
Italy:
F Greece, no move received
F Ionian Sea - Adriatic Sea
F Irish Sea Convoys A Gascony - Liverpool
A Marseilles - Gascony
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Convoys A Gascony - Liverpool
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia
A Tyrolia Supports A Trieste
F Tyrrhenian Sea, no move received
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Vienna
A Galicia Hold
A Moscow - St Petersburg (*Bounce*)
A Rumania Hold
A Sevastopol - Ukraine
A Ukraine - Warsaw
A Vienna Supports A Budapest[Reply] |
| DC 164 - Arctic Warriors - Fall 1914 Results - Githraine (Jan 28, 2009, 10:56 am) |
1914 is not quite over, we have one retreat as England is Ejected from Norway.
I will take Builds with the Retreats though as England (and can only go to Finland or OTB) has 2 disbands, thanks to a very sneaky french Convoy on Italian ships to sack Liverpool.
We also have a call for a three way draw between Russia, Germany and Italy, with Survivorships for France and England.
As that is 29 SCs to 5, it sounds like a good deal
Votes with the build orders, due Friday.
Germany and Russia each build one, England Disbands 2
Orders:
England:
F Helgoland Bight - Denmark (*Fails*)
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Dislodged*)
F Picardy - Brest (*Fails*)
France:
F Brest Hold
A Gascony - Liverpool
F Spain(sc) Hold
Germany:
A Belgium Supports A Holland
F Denmark - North Sea (*Bounce*)
A Holland Supports A Belgium
A Kiel Supports A Holland
F London - North Sea (*Bounce*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
A Warsaw - Silesia
Italy:
F Greece, no move received
F Ionian Sea - Adriatic Sea
F Irish Sea Convoys A Gascony - Liverpool
A Marseilles - Gascony
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Convoys A Gascony - Liverpool
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia
A Tyrolia Supports A Trieste
F Tyrrhenian Sea, no move received
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Vienna
A Galicia Hold
A Moscow - St Petersburg (*Bounce*)
A Rumania Hold
A Sevastopol - Ukraine
A Ukraine - Warsaw
A Vienna Supports A Budapest[Reply] |
| DC 164 - Arctic Warriors - Fall 1914 Results (dc164) Githraine Jan 28, 10:58 am |
Deadline Friday, Jan 30th
From: Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com>
To: coebq(at)yahoo.com; dc164(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Dominic DiPalantino <domdip(at)stanford.edu>; garry.bledsoe(at)alltel.com; jwhitlock(at)trojungbrannen.com; kielmarch(at)hotmail.com; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; samuel_buck(at)dalton.org; themaos(at)earthlink.net; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 11:55:32 AM
Subject: DC 164 - Arctic Warriors - Fall 1914 Results
1914 is not quite over, we have one retreat as England is Ejected from Norway.
I will take Builds with the Retreats though as England (and can only go to Finland or OTB) has 2 disbands, thanks to a very sneaky french Convoy on Italian ships to sack Liverpool.
We also have a call for a three way draw between Russia, Germany and Italy, with Survivorships for France and England.
As that is 29 SCs to 5, it sounds like a good deal
Votes with the build orders, due Friday.
Germany and Russia each build one, England Disbands 2
Orders:
England:
F Helgoland Bight - Denmark (*Fails*)
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Dislodged*)
F Picardy - Brest (*Fails*)
France:
F Brest Hold
A Gascony - Liverpool
F Spain(sc) Hold
Germany:
A Belgium Supports A Holland
F Denmark - North Sea (*Bounce*)
A Holland Supports A Belgium
A Kiel Supports A Holland
F London - North Sea (*Bounce*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
A Warsaw - Silesia
Italy:
F Greece, no move received
F Ionian Sea - Adriatic Sea
F Irish Sea Convoys A Gascony - Liverpool
A Marseilles - Gascony
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Convoys A Gascony - Liverpool
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia
A Tyrolia Supports A Trieste
F Tyrrhenian Sea, no move received
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Russia:
A Budapest Supports A Vienna
A Galicia Hold
A Moscow - St Petersburg (*Bounce*)
A Rumania Hold
A Sevastopol - Ukraine
A Ukraine - Warsaw
A Vienna Supports A Budapest |
| DC 216 - WOT2 - Spring 1002 results - Githraine (Jan 28, 2009, 10:39 am) |
We have a sea folk NMR, that, due to support from the Westlands, and and attack by the southlands that cut the support on Illian yielded no losses.
2 retreats, lets get them in by Friday, Jan, 30th.
Retreats:
Borderlands:
A Cairhien,
Midlands:
A Baerlon,
Results:
Trollocs:
A Tarwin's Gap - Fal Dara (*Fails*)
SeaFolk:
F The Aryth Ocean Hold
F Sea of Storms Hold
F Ebou Dar Bay Hold
F Kabal Deep Hold
F Illian Hold
Borderlands:
A Fal Dara Hold
A Maradon - The Black Hills
A Shadar Logoth - Baerlon
A Caralain Grass - Tar Valon
A Almoren Supports A Caralain Grass - Tar Valon
A Cairhien - Braem Wood (*Dislodged*)
WestLands:
F Aile Dashar Sea Supports F The Aryth Ocean
A Dhagon, no move received
A Katar - Tarabon
A Tarabon - Elmora
A Elmora - Western Shadow Coast
A Emond's Field Supports A Shadar Logoth - Baerlon
Southlands:
F The Fingers of the Dragon - Kabal Deep (*Fails*)
A Plains of Maredo Supports A Tear - Far Madding
A Tear - Far Madding (*Fails*)
Midlands:
A Baerlon - Shadar Logoth (*Dislodged*)
A Tar Valon Supports A Aringill - Cairhien (*Disbanded*)
A Braem Wood Supports A Aringill - Cairhien
A Four Kings Supports A Whitebridge - Caralain Grass
A Whitebridge - Caralain Grass
A Lugard Supports A Far Madding
A Far Madding Supports A Salidar - Illian (*Cut*)
A Aringill - Cairhien
WhiteCloaks:
A Eastern Shadow Coast Supports A Ebou Dar
A Amadacia - Salidar (*Fails*)
A Salidar - Illian (*Fails*)
A Ebou Dar Supports A Amadacia - Salidar (*Fails*)
Seanchan:
F Northern Seanchen Sea - The Aryth Ocean (*Fails*)
F Southern Seanchen Sea Supports F Northern Seanchen Sea - The Aryth Ocean[Reply] |
| DC 233: F1903 Reminder - AceRimmer (Jan 28, 2009, 10:27 am) |
Orders due in about 24
Adam[Reply] |
| dc210 s07 results! - FuzzyLogic (Jan 28, 2009, 8:47 am) |
Hey guys, this deadline is pushed back to Friday 1/30.
Retreats & builds will then be due Monday.
-mike
From: Michael Sims
Sent: Sat 1/24/2009 11:24 AM
Subject: dc210 s07 results!
Hey all, France has correctly pointed out that he had 2 fleets in Bre, so the move to Gal does happen. He had one there, then built another! (these darn rules allowing screwy things like that)
NEXT: Fall 07, due Wed 1/28, 10am Pacific
Austria:
1) A Ven move Apus
2) A Vie move Tri
3) A Vie support A Tyr hold
4) A Rum support A Bul
5) A Bul support F Con
6) A War hold
7) A Tyr hold
 F Tri move Adr
9) F Adr move Ion
10) F Apu move Cal
11) F Con support A Bul
Britain:
A (Wal) - Wsx
F (Wsx) - ENC
F (NTH) s F (Wex) - ENC
F (ARC) s F (NTH) stand
F (Kie) s Russian A (Pru) - Ber
F (Den) s F Kie) stand
France:
F Bre - PSM
F Bre - Gal
F WMS - TyS
A Swi - Pie
A Lor - Swi
A Col -Swa
A Hol - Col
F Bel - Hol
F Eng - Bel
Germany:
F Berlin -> Kiel (*Disbanded*)
Italy:
A Bav to Boh
A Rom attack Ven
Russia:
A Cau - Sev
F Bla - Con (*Fails*)
F Mrm S F Bla - Con
A Pru - Ber
f SBS S A Pru - Ber
F Lvn - NBS[Reply] |
| DC234: Italy - GM and Players - mtodd0004 (Jan 28, 2009, 8:33 am) |
Sam, et. al.,
I live in Western Kentucky, and we had a pretty bad ice storm Monday night. The entire county I live in is without power. I have a gasoline powered generator, and about 10 gallons of gas. The generator is connected to a sump pump in the basement, and I turn it on to drain it every couple of hours.
I tell you all of this to say, I will be online, but in case you do not get a hold of me, then it is not because I am hostile to any of you. Write me, but know I am a bit out of pocket.
Hopefully, the power will be restored within a day or two.
Grace and Peace,
Michael[Reply] |
| DC222 Two Steps To Anarchy - Winter 03 - Ahh, Live... - former.trout (Jan 28, 2009, 12:52 am) |
Heya folks,
Got confirmation of both build orders so here they are. England sets a F Liverpool into the water while Italy raises troops in Venice.
Deadline for Spring 04 orders will be set for Monday, February 2nd (11:59 PM GMT).
Battle on!
Trout
Adjustment orders for Winter of 1903. (DC222 03 WIN)
England: Build F Liverpool.
Italy: Build A Venice.
Unit locations:
England: F Clyde, F Liverpool, F London.
France: A Belgium, F English Channel, A Gascony, F Irish Sea, F Mid-Atlantic
Ocean, A Wales.
Germany: F Denmark, A Holland, A Kiel, F North Sea, A Silesia, F Sweden.
Italy: A Albania, F Bulgaria(sc), F Ionian Sea, A Serbia, A Trieste, F
Tunis, F Tyrrhenian Sea, A Venice.
Russia: A Budapest, A Galicia, A Moscow, F Norway, A Rumania, F Sevastopol,
A St Petersburg.
Turkey: F Aegean Sea, F Constantinople, A Greece, A Smyrna.
Ownership of supply centers:
England: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich, Sweden.
Italy: Bulgaria, Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice, Vienna.
Russia: Budapest, Moscow, Norway, Rumania, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Greece, Smyrna.
Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
England: 3 Supply centers, 3 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 6 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 0 units.
Germany: 6 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 0 units.
Italy: 8 Supply centers, 8 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
NEXT DEADLINE: SPRING 04 ORDERS DUE MONDAY, FEBRUARY 2ND (11:59 PM GMT)!![Reply] |
| No Title - sam_buck_productions a... (Jan 27, 2009, 10:37 pm) |
Sorry I'm late. I was out of contact since 3 today and I don't think
Trout ever got my request for his help.
Austria goes to Silesia
New Orders due 7CT on thursday, December 29. Maps to follow.[Reply] |
| DC223 - 24hr Reminder Spring 1904 - bielf11 (Jan 27, 2009, 7:30 pm) |
Tomorrow at 23:00 GMT is the deadline for Spring 1904 orders.I haven't received any orders from you yet.
Please send them in before it's too late. Feel free to submit Prelim's.
Frank[Reply] |
| DC-222 Two Steps To Anarchy - Early Winter 1903 -... - former.trout (Jan 27, 2009, 1:54 pm) |
Heya folks,
Germany slips into the salty waves of the North Sea. As this may have an effect on the choice of Winter builds, deadline for Winter 03 will be set for tomorrow night - Wednesday, Jan 28th (11:59 PM GMT). However, I do have both builds in hand already and if both players identify that these are final I will adjudicate tonight.
Cheers!
Trout
Retreat orders for Fall of 1903. (DC222 03 EW)
Germany: F Norway - North Sea.
Unit locations:
England: F Clyde, F London.
France: A Belgium, F English Channel, A Gascony, F Irish Sea, F Mid-Atlantic
Ocean, A Wales.
Germany: F Denmark, A Holland, A Kiel, F North Sea, A Silesia, F Sweden.
Italy: A Albania, F Bulgaria(sc), F Ionian Sea, A Serbia, A Trieste, F
Tunis, F Tyrrhenian Sea.
Russia: A Budapest, A Galicia, A Moscow, F Norway, A Rumania, F Sevastopol,
A St Petersburg.
Turkey: F Aegean Sea, F Constantinople, A Greece, A Smyrna.
Ownership of supply centers:
England: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich, Sweden.
Italy: Bulgaria, Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice, Vienna.
Russia: Budapest, Moscow, Norway, Rumania, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Constantinople, Greece, Smyrna.
Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
England: 3 Supply centers, 2 Units: Builds 1 unit.
France: 6 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 0 units.
Germany: 6 Supply centers, 6 Units: Builds 0 units.
Italy: 8 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Russia: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1903 ADJUSTMENTS DUE WEDNESDAY, JANUARY 28TH (11:59 PM GMT)!![Reply] |
| DC 212 Spring 06 Results- time out - agwopa (Jan 27, 2009, 1:44 pm) |
I am bored and there for I throw my 2 cents in.
Good luck sorting this all out, and take your time, lots of time if you want or need, the longer you take the longer Turkey gets to stick around!!!!
From: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
To: "Ghostine, Jimmy" <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com>; DC 212 Forum <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>; Patrick Canning DC 212 France <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com>; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:22:51 AM
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results- time out
Folks- FYI
I raised an issue with Rachel, which could impact the results and retreat decisions.
--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
To: "Ghostine, Jimmy" <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Cc: "Rachael Jameson" <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com>, "DC 212 Forum" <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Charles Kim DC 212 Austria" <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>, "Greg Neilsen DC 212 England" <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>, "Patrick Canning DC 212 France" <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>, "Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia" <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com>, "Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey" <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>, "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:00 AM
Jimmy,
The disband rule you're quoting is of more importance if two different players order retreats to the same province or territory. (i.e. if both France and Germany had a retreat and ordered it to Ruhr.) It is also used sometimes by players to disband units if they can gain strategic advantage by doing so. (i.e. disbanding two units in order to gain a build somewhere more useful.)
But as a player ALWAYS has the choice of where to retreat, and OTB is ALWAYS an option for a retreating unit then there is no necessity at all for both units to disband in this case. It is completely up to the player ordering the units.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:190c7f9afc] Given that I don't have to spend many a sleepless nights pondering how best to orchestrate the moves of my lone fleet which has been at port since I can remember, I have had some time to ponder this particular situation. The situation is clearly spelled out in the 1992 rule book, mirroring exactly what Trout outlines. It's just that the 2000 rule update muddies the water with unclear language. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for either army to disband on site, and the other to withdraw to Ruhr.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 21:42
To: Ghostine, Jimmy
Cc: Rachael Jameson; DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.
HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.
I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:190c7f9afc] I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.
I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.
Sincerely
Jimmy
From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael
[/quote:190c7f9afc]
[/quote:190c7f9afc][Reply] |
| Eternal Sunshine #25 Released - February 2009 Issu... - diplomacyworld (Jan 27, 2009, 12:04 pm) |
Just released: the new February 2009 issue of Eternal Sunshine, my Diplomacy subzine, filled with all manner of foolishness. Included in this issue:
Jack McHugh patting himself on the back for his Super Bowl prediction
Andy York wondering why I intercept all his letters
Diplomacy results
The first turn of our Bourse game
By Popular Demand
Letters
Book and Movie Reviews
Heather’s Latest Mis-Step
Part One of Halfway Home to the Halfway House
And other crap.
You can check it out in pdf and html format on my personal Diplomacy page at:
http://www.whiningkentpigs.com/DW/
or in the Eternal Sunshine Yahoo group at
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/eternal_sunshine_diplomacy/
Happy stabbing![Reply] |
| DC 212 Spring 06 Results- time out - yeeha77 (Jan 27, 2009, 11:23 am) |
Folks- FYI
I raised an issue with Rachel, which could impact the results and retreat decisions.
--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
To: "Ghostine, Jimmy" <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Cc: "Rachael Jameson" <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com>, "DC 212 Forum" <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Charles Kim DC 212 Austria" <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>, "Greg Neilsen DC 212 England" <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>, "Patrick Canning DC 212 France" <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>, "Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia" <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com>, "Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey" <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>, "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:00 AM
Jimmy,
The disband rule you're quoting is of more importance if two different players order retreats to the same province or territory. (i.e. if both France and Germany had a retreat and ordered it to Ruhr.) It is also used sometimes by players to disband units if they can gain strategic advantage by doing so. (i.e. disbanding two units in order to gain a build somewhere more useful.)
But as a player ALWAYS has the choice of where to retreat, and OTB is ALWAYS an option for a retreating unit then there is no necessity at all for both units to disband in this case. It is completely up to the player ordering the units.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:3c66d32bed] Given that I don't have to spend many a sleepless nights pondering how best to orchestrate the moves of my lone fleet which has been at port since I can remember, I have had some time to ponder this particular situation. The situation is clearly spelled out in the 1992 rule book, mirroring exactly what Trout outlines. It's just that the 2000 rule update muddies the water with unclear language. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for either army to disband on site, and the other to withdraw to Ruhr.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 21:42
To: Ghostine, Jimmy
Cc: Rachael Jameson; DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.
HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.
I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:3c66d32bed] I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.
I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.
Sincerely
Jimmy
From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael
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| DC 212 Spring 06 Results- time out (dc212) agwopa Jan 27, 01:44 pm |
I am bored and there for I throw my 2 cents in.
Good luck sorting this all out, and take your time, lots of time if you want or need, the longer you take the longer Turkey gets to stick around!!!!
From: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
To: "Ghostine, Jimmy" <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Cc: Rachael Jameson <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com>; DC 212 Forum <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>; Patrick Canning DC 212 France <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com>; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2009 9:22:51 AM
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results- time out
Folks- FYI
I raised an issue with Rachel, which could impact the results and retreat decisions.
--- On Tue, 1/27/09, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
To: "Ghostine, Jimmy" <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Cc: "Rachael Jameson" <verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com>, "DC 212 Forum" <dc212(at)diplomaticcorp.com>, "Charles Kim DC 212 Austria" <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>, "Greg Neilsen DC 212 England" <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>, "Patrick Canning DC 212 France" <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>, "Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia" <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com>, "Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey" <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>, "Stephen Lytton" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 27, 2009, 12:00 AM
Jimmy,
The disband rule you're quoting is of more importance if two different players order retreats to the same province or territory. (i.e. if both France and Germany had a retreat and ordered it to Ruhr.) It is also used sometimes by players to disband units if they can gain strategic advantage by doing so. (i.e. disbanding two units in order to gain a build somewhere more useful.)
But as a player ALWAYS has the choice of where to retreat, and OTB is ALWAYS an option for a retreating unit then there is no necessity at all for both units to disband in this case. It is completely up to the player ordering the units.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:190c7f9afc] Given that I don't have to spend many a sleepless nights pondering how best to orchestrate the moves of my lone fleet which has been at port since I can remember, I have had some time to ponder this particular situation. The situation is clearly spelled out in the 1992 rule book, mirroring exactly what Trout outlines. It's just that the 2000 rule update muddies the water with unclear language. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for either army to disband on site, and the other to withdraw to Ruhr.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 21:42
To: Ghostine, Jimmy
Cc: Rachael Jameson; DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.
HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.
I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:190c7f9afc] I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.
I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.
Sincerely
Jimmy
From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael
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| dc231 Summer Retreat - notasb (Jan 27, 2009, 8:12 am) |
I want to remind you all to CC your orders to the tournament confirm address
I probably won't send a Fall reminder since the deadline is only 2 days from now.
Map:
http://www.geocities.com/dawench2/23103Summer.gif
Deadline:
Fall '03 is due thursday Jan 29th 8 AM CST (GMT -6) 1400 GMT
Retreat:
Austria:
A Trieste - Albania
---------
I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by.
Douglas Adams[Reply] |
| No Title - bunwarpgazoo (Jan 27, 2009, 6:25 am) |
| Wow! This game has moxie! [Reply] |
| DC224 Slaughter At StoryTime - Spring 03 - Lawn Mo... - former.trout (Jan 26, 2009, 11:47 pm) |
Triumph Elvish, pointed ears
Through Leprechaun lands do tromp
Yet do splendid secret
Eastern victories wane
Samurai's message doth be
Come get some - Ginsu steel
-----------------------------------------------
Now granted, it ain't over till its over - but for some it truly seems as though the fat lady is practicing her arpeggios. =P
The Spring action is, well, dizzying. Thats what I love about this map - you never really know from which direction the next danger will arrive. Coloring the results were a couple of misorders - my apologies but after scratching my head for twenty minutes I could not for the life of me figure out where 'TWF' was supposed to be...
Four retreats result from the din of battle. Deadline for Summer 03 retreats will be set for Wednesday, Jan 28th (11:59 PM GMT).
As always, give me a holler if you spot any errors. Cheers!
Head-Scratching Trout
Movement results for Spring of 3. (DC 224 03 SPR)
Archers: F Llyr - Horned Bay.
Archers: A Loxley - Westmark.
Archers: A Prydain Supports A Loxley - Westmark.
Archers: A Fantastica - Maze Of Regrets.
Archers: F Kingdom Of Hearts Hold.
Archers: F Rugged Coast - Rift Canyon (*Fails*).
Barbarians: A Brennin Hold.
Centaurs: F Anvard - Crystal Lake (*Bounce*).
Centaurs: A Tumnus - Dancing Lawn.
Centaurs: A Calormen Supports A Immoren - Tumnus (*Disbanded*).
Centaurs: A Immoren - Tumnus.
Dwarves: F Mt Nimro Supports F The Julianthes - West Mirianic Ocean.
Dwarves: A Carpantha - Khaz Modan.
Dwarves: A Zhentil Keep - Pwyll.
Dwarves: F The Julianthes - West Mirianic Ocean.
Dwarves: A Brandywine - Two Towers (*Dislodged*).
Dwarves: A Caverns Of The Snow Witch - Nowwhat (*Bounce*).
Elves: A Garthim Supports F Auryn - City Of Splednors.
Elves: A Lubrick - Knockshegowna.
Elves: F Auryn - City Of Splednors (*Dislodged*).
Elves: A Great Steppes - Gollerus.
Elves: F Thunderhead - Tuatha.
Elves: F South Rainbow Lake Supports A Great Steppes - Gollerus.
Faeries: F Vinyaya - Chocolate River.
Faeries: A Ella - Port Ghaast (*Bounce*).
Faeries: A Spiral Castle - Strawberry Fields.
Faeries: F Land Of Sweets Hold.
Faeries: A Dragons Teeth Mtns Supports A Spiral Castle - Strawberry Fields.
Faeries: F East Mirianic Ocean Convoys A Ella - Port Ghaast.
Faeries: F North Mirianic Ocean Convoys A Ella - Port Ghaast.
Gnomes: A Khemri - Newa River (*Fails*).
Gnomes: A Avalon - Hundred Acre Wood.
Gnomes: A Gwynir - Sleepy Hollow.
Gnomes: F Andarien Plain Hold.
Gnomes: F Grief Reef Supports A Khemri - Newa River (*Cut*).
Hobbits: A Rohan - Brandywine.
Hobbits: A Krikkit - Nowwhat (*Bounce*).
Hobbits: A Two Towers Supports A Rohan - Brandywine.
Hobbits: F High Seas Hold (*Dislodged*).
Hobbits: F Restless Waters - Rift Canyon.
Hobbits: F Sea Of Fallen Stars - Lindon.
Knights: F Gu'Tanoth - Arctic Barrens.
Knights: A Paras Derval - Brennin (*Fails*).
Knights: A Wing Hove - Heavens Well.
Knights: F Arborlon - Crystal Lake (*Bounce*).
Knights: A Grimpen Ward - Aslan.
Knights: F Telmar Supports A The Silver City - Calormen.
Knights: A Heavens Well - Gu'Tanoth.
Knights: F Mist Marsh - Archenland.
Leprechauns: F Myrtle - Gollerus (*Fails*).
Leprechauns: A Hoarluk - Uuno.
Magicians: F Skellington - The Maw.
Magicians: F Sable's Swamp - Ergoth.
Magicians: A Darken Wood - Cyriss (*Bounce*).
Magicians: F River Styx - Krynn.
Ogres: F Gollerus Supports F Myrtle (*Dislodged*).
Ogres: A Horborixen - Fafhrd.
Ogres: A Nehwon - Heresh.
Ogres: A Forbidden City Supports F Ilthmar - Auryn.
Ogres: A Uuno - Whoville.
Ogres: F Ilthmar - Auryn.
Pirates: F Riku - Grief Reef (*Fails*).
Pirates: F Never Never Land Supports F High Seas - Way The Heck Out There
(*Void*).
Pirates: F Traverse Town Supports F Restless Waters - Rift Canyon.
Pirates: A Far Far Away - Parcel Pass.
Pirates: F Mermaids Lagoon Convoys A Far Far Away - Parcel Pass.
Rogues: A Grissel Supports A The Silver City - Calormen.
Rogues: A The Silver City - Calormen.
Rogues: F Ashan - Tilva Strait.
Rogues: F Orboros Supports A Grissel.
Rogues: A Corona - Dargaard Keep.
Rogues: F Sunless Sea Convoys A The Silver City - Calormen.
Rogues: F Beaversdam Convoys A The Silver City - Calormen.
Rogues: F East Sea Of Shadows Supports A Corona - Dargaard Keep.
Samurai: F City Of Splednors Supports A Shining Stream - Thirsty Desert
(*Fails*).
Samurai: A Anhondo Plain Supports F City Of Splednors.
Samurai: A Shining Stream - Thirsty Desert (*Bounce*).
Samurai: F Way The Heck Out There - Enchanted Isles.
Trolls: F Newa River Supports F Riku - Grief Reef (*Cut*).
Trolls: F Tarsis Supports F Grendel - High Seas.
Trolls: F Sorrow's End - Thon-Thalas.
Trolls: A Kahvi - Grendel.
Trolls: F Grendel - High Seas.
Trolls: F Cave Of Ordeals Supports F Newa River.
Trolls: A Plains Of Dust - Cyriss (*Bounce*).
Undead: A To-Gai-Ru - Timber Lands.
Undead: A Skullcap - Uhl Belk.
Undead: F Everglot - Skellington.
Undead: F The Old Gristmill - Terabithia.
Undead: F Ithin'Carthia(wc) - Ansalon.
Wizards: F Baldurs Gate - Yuirwood.
Wizards: A Candlekeep - Mordor.
Wizards: F Myth Drannor - Port Ghaast (*Bounce*).
Wizards: F Great Glacier - Churning Reach.
Wizards: A Valley Of Lost Honor - Thirsty Desert (*Bounce*).
Wizards: F River Of Dawn - Razors Edge.
The following units were dislodged:
Ogre F Gollerus can retreat to Fitzgibbon.
Elven F Auryn can retreat to Marshes of Morva or Three River Lake.
Dwarf A Brandywine can retreat to Golgafrincham.
Hobbit F High Seas can retreat to Far Far Away or Way The Heck Out There or
Ithin'Carthia(wc) or West Sea Of Shadows or Sable's Swamp or Kahvi or Abby Normal.
Unit locations:
Archers: A Prydain, F Kingdom Of Hearts, A Maze Of Regrets, A Westmark, F
Rugged Coast, F Horned Bay.
Barbarians: A Brennin.
Centaurs: F Anvard, A Tumnus, A Dancing Lawn, A Calormen.
Dwarves: F Mt Nimro, A Brandywine, A Pwyll, A Khaz Modan, A Caverns Of The
Snow Witch, F West Mirianic Ocean.
Elves: A Garthim, A Knockshegowna, A Gollerus, F Auryn, F Tuatha, F South
Rainbow Lake.
Faeries: A Ella, F Land Of Sweets, A Dragons Teeth Mtns, A Strawberry
Fields, F East Mirianic Ocean, F North Mirianic Ocean, F Chocolate
River.
Gnomes: A Hundred Acre Wood, A Khemri, A Sleepy Hollow, F Andarien Plain,
F Grief Reef.
Hobbits: F Lindon, A Krikkit, A Two Towers, A Brandywine, F High Seas, F
Rift Canyon.
Knights: A Gu'Tanoth, A Paras Derval, F Arborlon, F Archenland, F Telmar, A
Aslan, F Arctic Barrens, A Heavens Well.
Leprechauns: F Myrtle, A Uuno.
Magicians: F Ergoth, F Krynn, A Darken Wood, F The Maw.
Ogres: F Gollerus, F Auryn, A Fafhrd, A Whoville, A Forbidden City, A
Heresh.
Pirates: F Riku, F Never Never Land, F Traverse Town, A Parcel Pass, F
Mermaids Lagoon.
Rogues: A Grissel, F Orboros, A Dargaard Keep, A Calormen, F Sunless Sea,
F Beaversdam, F Tilva Strait, F East Sea Of Shadows.
Samurai: F City Of Splednors, F Enchanted Isles, A Anhondo Plain, A Shining
Stream.
Trolls: F Newa River, F Tarsis, A Grendel, F Cave Of Ordeals, A Plains Of
Dust, F Thon-Thalas, F High Seas.
Undead: F Skellington, F Ansalon, F Terabithia, A Timber Lands, A Uhl Belk.
Wizards: A Mordor, F Myth Drannor, A Valley Of Lost Honor, F Yuirwood, F
Churning Reach, F Razors Edge.
Ownership of supply centers:
Archers: Llyr, Loxley, Prydain, Fantastica, Duloc, Kingdom Of Hearts.
Barbarians: Brennin.
Centaurs: Anvard, Tumnus, Sleepy Hollow, Cathal.
Dwarves: Mt Nimro, Carpantha, Undermountain, Zhentil Keep, The Julianthes,
Spirit Pond.
Elves: Garthim, Gelfling, Prekkandorran Heights, Lubrick, Auryn, Caer.
Faeries: Vinyaya, Oz, Ella, Spiral Castle, Land Of Sweets, Gurgi, Gumdrop
Isle.
Gnomes: Hundred Acre Wood, Khemri, Slightly Gulch, Avalon, Gwynir.
Hobbits: Mordor, Rohan, Lindon, Krikkit, Two Towers, Land Ho.
Knights: Gu'Tanoth, Paras Derval, Wing Hove, Arborlon, Grimpen Ward,
Archenland, Telmar, Icereach.
Leprechauns: Knockshegowna, Tuatha.
Magicians: Ergoth, Krynn, Skellington, Cyriss.
Ogres: Gollerus, Horborixen, Nehwon, Lankhmar, Fafhrd, Forbidden City.
Pirates: Riku, The Neverwood, Pans Labyrinth, Never Never Land, Traverse
Town.
Rogues: Grissel, Grimheim, The Silver City, Ashan, Orboros, Dargaard Keep,
Corona, Dimmsdale.
Samurai: Traal, Magrathea, Fjord, City Of Splednors.
Trolls: Newa River, Tarsis, Sorrow's End, Niflheim, Kahvi, Troldhaugen,
Grendel.
Undead: To-Gai-Ru, Skullcap, Everglot, Ansalon, The Old Gristmill,
Terabithia.
Wizards: Baldurs Gate, Waterdeep, Faerun, Candlekeep, Myth Drannor, Great
Glacier.
Unowned: Whoville, Devils Canyon, Enchanted Isles, Neverpeak Mountain,
Ivory Tower.
NEXT DEADLINE: SUMMER 03 RETREAT DUE WEDNESDAY, JAN 28TH (11:59 PM GMT)!![Reply] |
| DC 212 Spring 06 Results - former.trout (Jan 26, 2009, 11:01 pm) |
Jimmy,
The disband rule you're quoting is of more importance if two different players order retreats to the same province or territory. (i.e. if both France and Germany had a retreat and ordered it to Ruhr.) It is also used sometimes by players to disband units if they can gain strategic advantage by doing so. (i.e. disbanding two units in order to gain a build somewhere more useful.)
But as a player ALWAYS has the choice of where to retreat, and OTB is ALWAYS an option for a retreating unit then there is no necessity at all for both units to disband in this case. It is completely up to the player ordering the units.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
Given that I don't have to spend many a sleepless nights pondering how best to orchestrate the moves of my lone fleet which has been at port since I can remember, I have had some time to ponder this particular situation. The situation is clearly spelled out in the 1992 rule book, mirroring exactly what Trout outlines. It's just that the 2000 rule update muddies the water with unclear language. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for either army to disband on site, and the other to withdraw to Ruhr.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 21:42
To: Ghostine, Jimmy
Cc: Rachael Jameson; DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.
HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.
I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:390c7d7e52] I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.
I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.
Sincerely
Jimmy
From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael
[/quote:390c7d7e52][Reply] |
| DC 217, Winter 1904 - alwayshunted (Jan 26, 2009, 9:23 pm) |
France gets his builds in early, so we move on to spring 1905. Deadline in one week, Monday, February 2, 22:00 MST.
-----------------
France:
Build A Paris
Build F Marseilles
-----------------
Maps are attached.
Warren[Reply] |
| DC235 Dirkfell - S1903 Results - No Retreats Neede... - alwayshunted (Jan 26, 2009, 9:00 pm) |
Nope. Sitting here waiting for the turn, having apparently only sent orders in my tiny little mind.....
Sorry all.
Warren
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CC: speedybunny(at)orange.fr; landru428(at)aol.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk; screwtape777(at)gmail.com; untitled36(at)hotmail.com; ordewin(at)aol.com; mike(at)southwall.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Subject: DC235 Dirkfell - S1903 Results - No Retreats Needed
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:23:21 -0500
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Austria NMR's at What Could Be a Crucial Moment!
Shifts of Units ALL Over the Board
Your GM is Still Dying to Know What Is Going On...
An Italian Reverse of Direction?
Only one retreat occurred and that one had nowhere to go so it was disbanded. We continue our fray with our deadline coming Thursday at 5pm CST again.
Warren - if you have a confirmation from me OR sent something to the orders box let me know ASAP.
LotM
Austria:
A Bohemia, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Galicia, no move received
F Greece, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A St Petersburg
F Belgium - North Sea
A Edinburgh Hold
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
F Norway Supports A St Petersburg
A St Petersburg Supports A Berlin - Livonia (*Cut*)
France:
A Burgundy Supports A Munich (*Ordered to Move*)
A Gascony Supports F Portugal - Spain(sc)
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - North Africa
F Portugal - Spain(sc)
Germany:
F Baltic Sea Convoys A Berlin - Livonia
A Berlin - Livonia (*Bounce*)
A Munich - Silesia
A Ruhr - Munich
A Silesia - Prussia
F Sweden - Gulf of Bothnia (*Fails*)
Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Piedmont - Venice
A Trieste - Tyrolia
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Naples - Ionian Sea
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
Russia:
A Finland - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Gulf of Bothnia - Livonia (*Bounce*)
A Moscow - Warsaw
F Rumania Hold
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Bulgaria(sc)
A Ankara - Smyrna
F Constantinople Supports F Aegean Sea - Bulgaria(sc)
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| DC235 Dirkfell - S1903 Results - No Retreats Neede... - alwayshunted (Jan 26, 2009, 9:00 pm) |
Nope. Sitting here waiting for the turn, having apparently only sent orders in my tiny little mind.....
Sorry all.
Warren
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To: former.trout(at)gmail.com; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; untitled36(at)yahoo.com
CC: speedybunny(at)orange.fr; landru428(at)aol.com; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk; screwtape777(at)gmail.com; untitled36(at)hotmail.com; ordewin(at)aol.com; mike(at)southwall.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com
Subject: DC235 Dirkfell - S1903 Results - No Retreats Needed
Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2009 20:23:21 -0500
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass body.EC_hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Verdana;} Austria NMR's at What Could Be a Crucial Moment!
Shifts of Units ALL Over the Board
Your GM is Still Dying to Know What Is Going On...
An Italian Reverse of Direction?
Only one retreat occurred and that one had nowhere to go so it was disbanded. We continue our fray with our deadline coming Thursday at 5pm CST again.
Warren - if you have a confirmation from me OR sent something to the orders box let me know ASAP.
LotM
Austria:
A Bohemia, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Galicia, no move received
F Greece, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A St Petersburg
F Belgium - North Sea
A Edinburgh Hold
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
F Norway Supports A St Petersburg
A St Petersburg Supports A Berlin - Livonia (*Cut*)
France:
A Burgundy Supports A Munich (*Ordered to Move*)
A Gascony Supports F Portugal - Spain(sc)
A Marseilles - Piedmont
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - North Africa
F Portugal - Spain(sc)
Germany:
F Baltic Sea Convoys A Berlin - Livonia
A Berlin - Livonia (*Bounce*)
A Munich - Silesia
A Ruhr - Munich
A Silesia - Prussia
F Sweden - Gulf of Bothnia (*Fails*)
Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Piedmont - Venice
A Trieste - Tyrolia
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Naples - Ionian Sea
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis
Russia:
A Finland - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Gulf of Bothnia - Livonia (*Bounce*)
A Moscow - Warsaw
F Rumania Hold
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Bulgaria(sc)
A Ankara - Smyrna
F Constantinople Supports F Aegean Sea - Bulgaria(sc)
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| DC226 Gunboat Winter 1901 results! Deadline 03 Feb... - hapolley (Jan 26, 2009, 8:46 pm) |
The Deadline for gunboat game dc226, Spring 1902, is Tuesday
Feb 03, at 2400 hrs MT!
FIND MAP AND RESULTS ATTACHED!
Retreats & Builds: Wt/1901
=========================================
Austria : Build: A bud, A vie
England : Build: N lon
France : Build: A par, A mar, A bre
Germany : Build: A ber
Italy : Build: N nap
Russia : Remove: N BOT
Turkey : Build: N ank, A smy
=========================================
DIPYCORP PRESS RELEASES
Turkey to Austria:
I think we may have come to an agreement in the Balkans that
can lead to a lasting peace. My building of an army in SMY is
indicative of the fact that I do not plan to challenge for
power in the Med. We have both expressed a desire for peace
with Italy, which means that we can focus our new alliance
against the Russian. Will you support my A BUL into RUM?
MUNICH FALLS! French troops march into Munich in a move
condemned by many European leaders. The Italian premier has
already vowed support for the Kaiser as Venetian troops are
reportedly sighted marching North to Tyrolia, on the road to
the German city. The British prime minister is yet to comment.
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| DC 212 Spring 06 Results - former.trout (Jan 26, 2009, 8:42 pm) |
Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.
HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.
I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.
I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.
Sincerely
Jimmy
From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael
[Reply] |
| WWIV w10 builds! - FuzzyLogic (Jan 26, 2009, 8:40 pm) |
NEXT: Spring 11, due Monday 2/2, 10am Pacific!
**************************************************
RETREATS:
Mexico:
A Mexico City(mxc) - Michoacan(mch)
Oceania:
F Micronesia(mic) - Nauru(nau)
Philippines:
disband F Bering Sea(brg)
SongEmpire:
F Akita(aki) - Nagano(ngn)
A Anhui(anh) - Nanchang(nan)
UnitedKingdom:
A St Petersburg(stp) - Komi(kom)
**************************************************
BUILDS:
Brazil:
Remove A Loreto(lor)
California:
Build waived
Catholica:
Build F Spain(spa)(sc)
Build waived
Illinois:
Build F Havana(hav)
Build F Anchorage(anc)
Build F Winnipeg(win)
Build waived
Build waived
India:
Build F Bombay(bom)
Build A Dhaka(dha)
Mexico:
Remove A Arizona(arz)
Remove A Michoacan(mch)
Remove A Zacatcas(zac)
Oceania:
Remove F South Central Pacific Ocean(scp)
Philippines:
Build F Cebu(ceb)
Build F Banjarmasin(bnj)
Build F Ujungpandang(uju)
SichuanEmpire:
Build F Seoul(seo)
SongEmpire:
Remove F Shanghai(sha)
Remove F Kyoto(kyo)
Remove F Nagano(ngn)
SouthAfrica:
Build F Madagascar(mds)
Thailand:
Remove A Ho Chi Minh(ho)
Turkey:
Build F Baghdad(bag)
Build F Mecca(mec)
UnitedKingdom:
Build F Norway(nwy)
Build F Edinburgh(edi)
Build A Hamburg(ham)
UnitedStates:
Build F Washington(was)
Build F Santa Clara(snc)[Reply] |
| DC 212 Spring 06 Results - Verticallychallangedcutie (Jan 26, 2009, 7:54 pm) |
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael[Reply] |
| DC 212 Spring 06 Results (dc212) former.trout Jan 26, 08:42 pm |
Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.
HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.
I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.
I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.
Sincerely
Jimmy
From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael
|
| DC 212 Spring 06 Results (dc212) former.trout Jan 26, 11:01 pm |
Jimmy,
The disband rule you're quoting is of more importance if two different players order retreats to the same province or territory. (i.e. if both France and Germany had a retreat and ordered it to Ruhr.) It is also used sometimes by players to disband units if they can gain strategic advantage by doing so. (i.e. disbanding two units in order to gain a build somewhere more useful.)
But as a player ALWAYS has the choice of where to retreat, and OTB is ALWAYS an option for a retreating unit then there is no necessity at all for both units to disband in this case. It is completely up to the player ordering the units.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
Given that I don't have to spend many a sleepless nights pondering how best to orchestrate the moves of my lone fleet which has been at port since I can remember, I have had some time to ponder this particular situation. The situation is clearly spelled out in the 1992 rule book, mirroring exactly what Trout outlines. It's just that the 2000 rule update muddies the water with unclear language. I think it would be perfectly reasonable for either army to disband on site, and the other to withdraw to Ruhr.
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 21:42
To: Ghostine, Jimmy
Cc: Rachael Jameson; DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: Re: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Yes - that is correct if I order BOTH units to retreat to Ruhr. In that case, the retreats bounce and both units disband.
HOWEVER - I have two retreats to order and two options for both - either Ruhr or OTB (Off The Board). If I order one of the units to
Ruhr and the second unit to retreat OTB then the problem is avoided.
I fail to see why BOTH units would have to be disbanded when I clearly have that choice.
Trout
On Mon, Jan 26, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Ghostine, Jimmy <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org ([email]Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org[/email])> wrote:
[quote:390c7d7e52] I haven't confirmed with realpolitik yet, but according to rule orthodoxy, both german units may need to be disbanded given that they can both only withdraw to ruhr. Alternatively one of the 2 can be disbanded and the other retreated to ruhr. Check page 17 of the attached 4th edition diplomacy rulebook under disbandment.
I don't know how this group deals with the tricky situation arising from a lack of clarity in the 2000 rule update. The 1992 rulebook was clearer when it came to this particular.
Sincerely
Jimmy
From: Rachael Jameson [mailto:verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com ([email]verticallychallangedcutie(at)yahoo.com[/email])]
Sent: Monday, January 26, 2009 20:54
To: DC 212 Forum; Charles Kim DC 212 Austria; Greg Neilsen DC 212 England; DC 212 Forum; Patrick Canning DC 212 France; Former Trout DC 212 Germany; Ghostine, Jimmy; Taylor McQuilliams DC 212 Russia; Andrew Ott DC 212 Turkey; Stephen Lytton
Subject: DC 212 Spring 06 Results
Folks,
Sorry this took so long in getting out. Since returning from trip up North my household came down with a horrible stomach bug that landed me in the hospital. I am not better but my two young kids are still suffering and life has been nonstop cleaning up after them and sleeping. Hopefully soon things will be back to normal and back on track. Thank you everyone for getting your orders in on time! If anyone sees any errors please let me know. I won't keep you waiting anymore, here's the turn.
Players:
Austria: Charles Kim <closed.sunday(at)gmail.com>
England: Greg Neilsen <yeeha77(at)yahoo.com>
France: Patrick Canning <patrick.t.canning(at)gmail.com>
Germany: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
Italy: Jimmy Ghostine <Jimmy.Ghostine(at)vtmednet.org>
Russia: Taylor McQuilliams <joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com ([email]joejoe7896(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Turkey: Andrew Ott <drew3739o(at)yahoo.com>
Orders:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Vienna - Galicia
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Constantinople - Ankara
F Greece - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Naples - Greece
A Naples - Greece
A Rome Hold
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Galicia
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Burgundy Supports A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
F Denmark Supports A Holland - Kiel
F English Channel Convoys A London - Picardy
A Holland - Kiel
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London - Picardy
F Norway - Norwegian Sea
F Sweden - Norway
France:
A Gascony - Brest (*Fails*)
A Paris, no move received
F Piedmont - Marseilles
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
A Tunis Hold
Germany:
A Kiel Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Munich Supports A Kiel (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F Smyrna Hold
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Munich
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria - Rumania (*Void*)
Retreats and Deadline:
We have two retreats due this turn. German A Kiel can retreat to Ruhr.
German A Munich can retreat to Ruhr.
Let's set the Summer retreats for tomorrow evening Jan 27th at 7pm EST ( 11:59GMT ). Map and dpy file are attached for your viewing pleasure.
-Rachael
[/quote:390c7d7e52] |
