Dang it... I knew it would happen eventually, but I hoped it wouldn't. You guys have successfully poked a hole in the strait rule. Between South America's and Oceania's moves regarding the South China Sea, I ended up with a conundrum I haven't seen before. On the surface, it looks like F BEN and F Sia bounce in the SCS. But with that bounce, Oce controls the straight, restricting F BEN's movement. So perhaps F Sia moves into SCS... but then F Jak - Sia also works and leave the strait uncontrolled from the Jak side and we get the bounce all over again. Blech!

Fortunately, one of my friends who was involved in the testing was online and we were able to discuss the problem and came to a consensus about what we should do. We came up with this addition to the strait rule:

A unit that has control over a strait loses control over the straight if it moves to the same place as a unit moving through the strait in question.

In this situation, what that means is: SIA and BEN bounce in SCS. Because SIA moved to the same place as BEN, SIA no longer can stop BEN from moving through the strait. Had the support from HKG not been cut, BEN would've successfully gotten through the strait. I think this is the best way of resolving the current problem. If you have any questions about it, please ask. Now on with the adjudication:

North America:
A Winnipeg Supports F Pacific Ocean - Vancouver (*No such unit*)

Mexico:
F Darwin - Perth (*disbanded*)
F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
F Revillagigedo Sea Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
A Texas - Kansas
A Ontario Supports A Texas - Kansas
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Bermuda Triangle Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Canary Sea
A Iberia Holds
F Quebec Holds

South America:
F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Hong Kong Supports F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*cut*)
F Pretoria Holds
F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Sandwich Sea Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Recife Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Peru - Columbia (sc)
F Honolulu - Micronesian Sea
F Argentina - Falkland Sea
F Vancouver Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean

Russia:
F Alaska Supports F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean
F Baffin Sea - Nunavut
F Labrador Sea Holds
A London Holds
A Holland Supports F Paris
F Oslo - Arctic Ocean
F Murmansk - Kara Sea
A Caucasus Supports A Ankara - Tehran
A Xinjiang - Ulaanbaatar
A Beijing Supports A Tibet - Shanghai
A Vladivostok Holds
F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean (*fails*)
F Korea - East China Sea

West Africa:
F Cape Verde Sea - Gulf of Guinea
F Canary Sea - Morocco
A Algeria Supports F Egypt - Libya
F Egypt - Libya
A Ouagadougou - Lagos (*fails*)
A Niamey Supports F Egypt - Libya (*cut*)

South Africa:
F Nairobi - Somalia
A Congo - Nairobi
F Lagos - Ouagadougou (*fails*)
A Zambezi - Maputo
A Khartoum - Egypt
A N'Djamena - Niamey (*fails*)
A Libya Supports A N'Djamena - Niamey (*dislodged*)

Persia:
F Paris Holds
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Tehran
A Baghdad - Riyadh
A Muscat - Addis Ababa
F Pakistan - Arabian Sea
A Mumbai - Pakistan
A Delhi - Tibet
A Tibet - Shanghai

China:
F Riyadh - Muscat
F Persian Gulf Supports F Riyadh - Muscat
A Tehran Supports F Riyadh - Muscat (*dislodged*)
A Shanghai - Hong Kong (*disbanded*)
F Taiwan - Philippines Sea

Oceania:
F Tasman Sea - Sydney
F Great Australian Bight - Tasman Sea
F Perth - Darwin
F Arafura Sea Supports F Perth - Darwin
F Jakarta - Siam (*fails*)
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Cocos Sea Holds

Retreats:
SAf: A Libya may retreat to Tunis or OTB
China: A Tehran may retreat to Baghdad, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan or OTB

Next Deadline: Let's get those retreats in by Thursday, Jan 8, 2200GMT and look for Fall to be due next Tuesday.

Everyone please check this map. I've set it up now so I just have to move units instead of having to redo the map every time. So if it's right now, it'll be good for the rest of the game (I hope).

Dang it... I knew it would happen eventually, but I hoped it wouldn't. You guys have successfully poked a hole in the strait rule. Between South America's and Oceania's moves regarding the South China Sea, I ended up with a conundrum I haven't seen before. On the surface, it looks like F BEN and F Sia bounce in the SCS. But with that bounce, Oce controls the straight, restricting F BEN's movement. So perhaps F Sia moves into SCS... but then F Jak - Sia also works and leave the strait uncontrolled from the Jak side and we get the bounce all over again. Blech!

Fortunately, one of my friends who was involved in the testing was online and we were able to discuss the problem and came to a consensus about what we should do. We came up with this addition to the strait rule:

A unit that has control over a strait loses control over the straight if it moves to the same place as a unit moving through the strait in question.

In this situation, what that means is: SIA and BEN bounce in SCS. Because SIA moved to the same place as BEN, SIA no longer can stop BEN from moving through the strait. Had the support from HKG not been cut, BEN would've successfully gotten through the strait. I think this is the best way of resolving the current problem. If you have any questions about it, please ask. Now on with the adjudication:

North America:
A Winnipeg Supports F Pacific Ocean - Vancouver (*No such unit*)

Mexico:
F Darwin - Perth (*disbanded*)
F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
F Revillagigedo Sea Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
A Texas - Kansas
A Ontario Supports A Texas - Kansas
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Bermuda Triangle Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Canary Sea
A Iberia Holds
F Quebec Holds

South America:
F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Hong Kong Supports F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*cut*)
F Pretoria Holds
F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Sandwich Sea Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Recife Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Peru - Columbia (sc)
F Honolulu - Micronesian Sea
F Argentina - Falkland Sea
F Vancouver Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean

Russia:
F Alaska Supports F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean
F Baffin Sea - Nunavut
F Labrador Sea Holds
A London Holds
A Holland Supports F Paris
F Oslo - Arctic Ocean
F Murmansk - Kara Sea
A Caucasus Supports A Ankara - Tehran
A Xinjiang - Ulaanbaatar
A Beijing Supports A Tibet - Shanghai
A Vladivostok Holds
F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean (*fails*)
F Korea - East China Sea

West Africa:
F Cape Verde Sea - Gulf of Guinea
F Canary Sea - Morocco
A Algeria Supports F Egypt - Libya
F Egypt - Libya
A Ouagadougou - Lagos (*fails*)
A Niamey Supports F Egypt - Libya (*cut*)

South Africa:
F Nairobi - Somalia
A Congo - Nairobi
F Lagos - Ouagadougou (*fails*)
A Zambezi - Maputo
A Khartoum - Egypt
A N'Djamena - Niamey (*fails*)
A Libya Supports A N'Djamena - Niamey (*dislodged*)

Persia:
F Paris Holds
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Tehran
A Baghdad - Riyadh
A Muscat - Addis Ababa
F Pakistan - Arabian Sea
A Mumbai - Pakistan
A Delhi - Tibet
A Tibet - Shanghai

China:
F Riyadh - Muscat
F Persian Gulf Supports F Riyadh - Muscat
A Tehran Supports F Riyadh - Muscat (*dislodged*)
A Shanghai - Hong Kong (*disbanded*)
F Taiwan - Philippines Sea

Oceania:
F Tasman Sea - Sydney
F Great Australian Bight - Tasman Sea
F Perth - Darwin
F Arafura Sea Supports F Perth - Darwin
F Jakarta - Siam (*fails*)
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Cocos Sea Holds

Retreats:
SAf: A Libya may retreat to Tunis or OTB
China: A Tehran may retreat to Baghdad, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan or OTB

Next Deadline: Let's get those retreats in by Thursday, Jan 8, 2200GMT and look for Fall to be due next Tuesday.

Everyone please check this map. I've set it up now so I just have to move units instead of having to redo the map every time. So if it's right now, it'll be good for the rest of the game (I hope).

Michael,

odd, I feel I have been denied something I'm entitled to but I can't disagree with your analysis and conclusion.

Now for this scenario:
in addition to the orders BEN - SCS, SIA - SCS, and JAK - SIA, a unit is ordered into JAK.
What would have been the outcome then? Which of the rules prevails in this case: the unit moving out of the strait-controlling center giving up its control, or the 2 units moving in to those centers?

Frank


2009/1/6 Diplomacy Gamemaster <worldwidegm(at)gmail.com ([email]worldwidegm(at)gmail.com[/email])>

[quote:4d27289ec1]Dang it... I knew it would happen eventually, but I hoped it wouldn't. You guys have successfully poked a hole in the strait rule. Between South America's and Oceania's moves regarding the South China Sea, I ended up with a conundrum I haven't seen before. On the surface, it looks like F BEN and F Sia bounce in the SCS. But with that bounce, Oce controls the straight, restricting F BEN's movement. So perhaps F Sia moves into SCS... but then F Jak - Sia also works and leave the strait uncontrolled from the Jak side and we get the bounce all over again. Blech!

Fortunately, one of my friends who was involved in the testing was online and we were able to discuss the problem and came to a consensus about what we should do. We came up with this addition to the strait rule:

A unit that has control over a strait loses control over the straight if it moves to the same place as a unit moving through the strait in question.

In this situation, what that means is: SIA and BEN bounce in SCS. Because SIA moved to the same place as BEN, SIA no longer can stop BEN from moving through the strait. Had the support from HKG not been cut, BEN would've successfully gotten through the strait. I think this is the best way of resolving the current problem. If you have any questions about it, please ask. Now on with the adjudication:

North America:
A Winnipeg Supports F Pacific Ocean - Vancouver (*No such unit*)

Mexico:
F Darwin - Perth (*disbanded*)
F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
F Revillagigedo Sea Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
A Texas - Kansas
A Ontario Supports A Texas - Kansas
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Bermuda Triangle Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Canary Sea
A Iberia Holds
F Quebec Holds

South America:
F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Hong Kong Supports F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*cut*)
F Pretoria Holds
F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Sandwich Sea Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Recife Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Peru - Columbia (sc)
F Honolulu - Micronesian Sea
F Argentina - Falkland Sea
F Vancouver Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean

Russia:
F Alaska Supports F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean
F Baffin Sea - Nunavut
F Labrador Sea Holds
A London Holds
A Holland Supports F Paris
F Oslo - Arctic Ocean
F Murmansk - Kara Sea
A Caucasus Supports A Ankara - Tehran
A Xinjiang - Ulaanbaatar
A Beijing Supports A Tibet - Shanghai
A Vladivostok Holds
F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean (*fails*)
F Korea - East China Sea

West Africa:
F Cape Verde Sea - Gulf of Guinea
F Canary Sea - Morocco
A Algeria Supports F Egypt - Libya
F Egypt - Libya
A Ouagadougou - Lagos (*fails*)
A Niamey Supports F Egypt - Libya (*cut*)

South Africa:
F Nairobi - Somalia
A Congo - Nairobi
F Lagos - Ouagadougou (*fails*)
A Zambezi - Maputo
A Khartoum - Egypt
A N'Djamena - Niamey (*fails*)
A Libya Supports A N'Djamena - Niamey (*dislodged*)

Persia:
F Paris Holds
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Tehran
A Baghdad - Riyadh
A Muscat - Addis Ababa
F Pakistan - Arabian Sea
A Mumbai - Pakistan
A Delhi - Tibet
A Tibet - Shanghai

China:
F Riyadh - Muscat
F Persian Gulf Supports F Riyadh - Muscat
A Tehran Supports F Riyadh - Muscat (*dislodged*)
A Shanghai - Hong Kong (*disbanded*)
F Taiwan - Philippines Sea

Oceania:
F Tasman Sea - Sydney
F Great Australian Bight - Tasman Sea
F Perth - Darwin
F Arafura Sea Supports F Perth - Darwin
F Jakarta - Siam (*fails*)
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Cocos Sea Holds

Retreats:
SAf: A Libya may retreat to Tunis or OTB
China: A Tehran may retreat to Baghdad, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan or OTB

Next Deadline: Let's get those retreats in by Thursday, Jan 8, 2200GMT and look for Fall to be due next Tuesday.

Everyone please check this map. I've set it up now so I just have to move units instead of having to redo the map every time. So if it's right now, it'll be good for the rest of the game (I hope).

subject says it all - 9 eastern

have orders from: England, France, Germany, Turkey, Italy, Russia

need orders from: Austria

Matt

Austria:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea
A Bohemia - Tyrolia
F Greece Supports F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw (*Cut*)
A Naples Supports A Rome
A Rome Supports A Naples
A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Tyrolia - Piedmont
A Ukraine - Sevastopol
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow


France:
A Belgium Supports A Yorkshire - Holland
F English Channel Supports F North Sea
F Helgoland Bight - Kiel (*Fails*)
A Marseilles Supports A Picardy - Burgundy
A North Africa - Tunis (*Fails*)
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Holland
F Norwegian Sea - Norway (*Fails*)
A Picardy - Burgundy
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Tunis - Ionian Sea
A Yorkshire - Holland


Germany:
F Denmark Hold
A Holland Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Kiel Supports F Denmark (*Cut*)
A Munich Hold
F Norway Hold
A Sweden Supports F Norway


Italy:
F Ionian Sea Supports F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Dislodged*)


Russia:
F Ankara Hold
A Livonia - Moscow (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg Supports A Livonia - Moscow


Turkey:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea
A Constantinople Hold
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea




German A Holland can retreat to Ruhr.
Italian F Ionian Sea can retreat to Apulia or Albania.


Orders due Thursday the 8th. 23:00 GMT.


Mainly just need to know if Germany retreats with this Army of disbands.
I'd like to thank Joe Payne (Italy) for sticking with us throughout the game. Feel free to send in a final order if you wish.

Warren

Forget that- I looked at the wrong map. You are of course correct.

Up the Russians!
Simon


Professor Simon Langley-Evans
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School of Biosciences
University of Nottingham
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From: Simon Langley-Evans [mailto:Simon.Langley-evans(at)nottingham.ac.uk ([email]Simon.Langley-evans(at)nottingham.ac.uk[/email])]
Sent: Tue 06/01/2009 20:21
To: Warren Fleming; 217 Austria; 217 Germany; 217 Russia `; 217 England; 217 France; 217 Turkey; 217 Italy; dc217(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc217(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Cc: Trout.; Stephen Lytton
Subject: RE: DC 217, Fall and Autumn 1903


Warren

There is an error in the adjudication. Germany is already on 3 units, so does not need to remove one (my friends and I had already done that for him- ha ha).

Simon


Professor Simon Langley-Evans
Chair in Human Nutrition
School of Biosciences
University of Nottingham
Sutton Bonington
Loughborough
LE12 5RD

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From: Warren Fleming [mailto:alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com ([email]alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Tue 06/01/2009 20:12
To: 217 Austria; 217 Germany; 217 Russia `; 217 England; 217 France; 217 Turkey; 217 Italy; dc217(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc217(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Cc: Trout.; Stephen Lytton; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com ([email]alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com[/email])
Subject: DC 217, Fall and Autumn 1903




Okay, finally, here we go.

We had one German retreat for autumn, and because there was only one option I have adjudicated that as well. Matt please let me know if you would have preferred retreating OTB, and I'll change things up.

Winter 1903 is now due in just over 2 days. Thursday, January 8, 22:00 MST.

Current status and build/disbands that are due are posted at the bottom of the adjudication.

Here it is:
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ORDERS RECEIVED

England:
F NTH - DEN
A BEL - BUR
F NWG - EDI
F PIC -BRE
F MAO - S F PIC -BRE

France:
A Burgundy - Munich
F Clyde - Edinburgh
A Gascony Supports A Paris - Burgundy
A Paris - Burgundy
A Spain Hold

Germany:
F BAL - BER,
A SWE- NWY
A MUN holds
A KIE S A MUN

Italy:
A Ser S F Ion -> Gre
F Alb S F Ion -> Gre
F Ion -> Gre
F Adr -> Ion
A Vie -> Tri
A Tyr S A Bur -> Mun (French)

Russia:
ASil S French ABur-Mun
AGal-Boh
ABud-Vie
ARum-Bul
FBLA S A Rum-Bul
FStpnc S FNwy
FNwy holds

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea Supports A Greece
A Ankara - Armenia
A Bulgaria Hold
A Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea
A Greece Hold

ADJUDICATION:
England:
A Belgium - Burgundy (*Fails*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F Picardy - Brest
F North Sea - Denmark
F Norwegian Sea - Edinburgh (*Bounce*)
F Picardy - Brest

France:
A Burgundy - Munich
F Clyde - Edinburgh (*Bounce*)
A Gascony Supports A Paris - Burgundy
A Paris - Burgundy
A Spain Hold

Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Berlin
A Kiel Supports A Munich
A Munich Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Sweden - Norway (*Fails*)

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
F Albania Supports F Ionian Sea - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Serbia Supports F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Tyrolia Supports A Burgundy - Munich
A Vienna - Trieste

Russia:
F Black Sea Supports A Rumania - Bulgaria
A Budapest - Vienna
A Galicia - Bohemia
F Norway Hold
A Rumania - Bulgaria (*Fails*)
A Silesia Supports A Burgundy - Munich
F St Petersburg(nc) Supports F Norway

Turkey:
F Aegean Sea Supports A Greece
A Ankara - Armenia
A Bulgaria Hold
A Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria
F Eastern Mediterranean - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
A Greece Hold (*Disbanded*)

STATUS:

Ownership:
England: Belgium, Brest, Denmark, Edinburgh, Holland, London.
France: Liverpool, Marseilles, Munich, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Berlin, Kiel, Sweden.
Italy: Greece, Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Budapest, Moscow, Norway, Rumania, Sevastopol, St
Petersburg, Vienna, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Smyrna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
England: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 3 Unit 4 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 7 Unit 6 Build 1
Russia: Supp 8 Unit 7 Build 1
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 5 Remove 1

Winter is due: Thursday January 8, 22:00 MST.
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Maps are attached. Check my work.

Enjoy.

Warren









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