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Author:DamienThryn
Posted:Jan 07, 2009 at 10:46 am
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To stop the whole world from exploding, I think I'm going to graciously let Oceania have SCS next year.

Didn't think trying to raid Taiwan for RAM chips again would be so complex...

On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 8:42 AM, F Bielschowsky <bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com ([email]bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com[/email])> wrote:

Michael,

odd, I feel I have been denied something I'm entitled to but I can't disagree with your analysis and conclusion.

Now for this scenario:
in addition to the orders BEN - SCS, SIA - SCS, and JAK - SIA, a unit is ordered into JAK.
What would have been the outcome then? Which of the rules prevails in this case: the unit moving out of the strait-controlling center giving up its control, or the 2 units moving in to those centers?

Frank


2009/1/6 Diplomacy Gamemaster <worldwidegm(at)gmail.com ([email]worldwidegm(at)gmail.com[/email])>

[quote:4d27289ec1]Dang it... I knew it would happen eventually, but I hoped it wouldn't. You guys have successfully poked a hole in the strait rule. Between South America's and Oceania's moves regarding the South China Sea, I ended up with a conundrum I haven't seen before. On the surface, it looks like F BEN and F Sia bounce in the SCS. But with that bounce, Oce controls the straight, restricting F BEN's movement. So perhaps F Sia moves into SCS... but then F Jak - Sia also works and leave the strait uncontrolled from the Jak side and we get the bounce all over again. Blech!

Fortunately, one of my friends who was involved in the testing was online and we were able to discuss the problem and came to a consensus about what we should do. We came up with this addition to the strait rule:

A unit that has control over a strait loses control over the straight if it moves to the same place as a unit moving through the strait in question.

In this situation, what that means is: SIA and BEN bounce in SCS. Because SIA moved to the same place as BEN, SIA no longer can stop BEN from moving through the strait. Had the support from HKG not been cut, BEN would've successfully gotten through the strait. I think this is the best way of resolving the current problem. If you have any questions about it, please ask. Now on with the adjudication:

North America:
A Winnipeg Supports F Pacific Ocean - Vancouver (*No such unit*)

Mexico:
F Darwin - Perth (*disbanded*)
F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
F Revillagigedo Sea Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
A Texas - Kansas
A Ontario Supports A Texas - Kansas
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Bermuda Triangle Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Canary Sea
A Iberia Holds
F Quebec Holds

South America:
F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Hong Kong Supports F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*cut*)
F Pretoria Holds
F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Sandwich Sea Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Recife Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Peru - Columbia (sc)
F Honolulu - Micronesian Sea
F Argentina - Falkland Sea
F Vancouver Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean

Russia:
F Alaska Supports F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean
F Baffin Sea - Nunavut
F Labrador Sea Holds
A London Holds
A Holland Supports F Paris
F Oslo - Arctic Ocean
F Murmansk - Kara Sea
A Caucasus Supports A Ankara - Tehran
A Xinjiang - Ulaanbaatar
A Beijing Supports A Tibet - Shanghai
A Vladivostok Holds
F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean (*fails*)
F Korea - East China Sea

West Africa:
F Cape Verde Sea - Gulf of Guinea
F Canary Sea - Morocco
A Algeria Supports F Egypt - Libya
F Egypt - Libya
A Ouagadougou - Lagos (*fails*)
A Niamey Supports F Egypt - Libya (*cut*)

South Africa:
F Nairobi - Somalia
A Congo - Nairobi
F Lagos - Ouagadougou (*fails*)
A Zambezi - Maputo
A Khartoum - Egypt
A N'Djamena - Niamey (*fails*)
A Libya Supports A N'Djamena - Niamey (*dislodged*)

Persia:
F Paris Holds
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Tehran
A Baghdad - Riyadh
A Muscat - Addis Ababa
F Pakistan - Arabian Sea
A Mumbai - Pakistan
A Delhi - Tibet
A Tibet - Shanghai

China:
F Riyadh - Muscat
F Persian Gulf Supports F Riyadh - Muscat
A Tehran Supports F Riyadh - Muscat (*dislodged*)
A Shanghai - Hong Kong (*disbanded*)
F Taiwan - Philippines Sea

Oceania:
F Tasman Sea - Sydney
F Great Australian Bight - Tasman Sea
F Perth - Darwin
F Arafura Sea Supports F Perth - Darwin
F Jakarta - Siam (*fails*)
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Cocos Sea Holds

Retreats:
SAf: A Libya may retreat to Tunis or OTB
China: A Tehran may retreat to Baghdad, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan or OTB

Next Deadline: Let's get those retreats in by Thursday, Jan 8, 2200GMT and look for Fall to be due next Tuesday.

Everyone please check this map. I've set it up now so I just have to move units instead of having to redo the map every time. So if it's right now, it'll be good for the rest of the game (I hope).





[/quote:4d27289ec1]

This message is in reply to post 8393:

Dang it... I knew it would happen eventually, but I hoped it wouldn't. You guys have successfully poked a hole in the strait rule. Between South America's and Oceania's moves regarding the South China Sea, I ended up with a conundrum I haven't seen before. On the surface, it looks like F BEN and F Sia bounce in the SCS. But with that bounce, Oce controls the straight, restricting F BEN's movement. So perhaps F Sia moves into SCS... but then F Jak - Sia also works and leave the strait uncontrolled from the Jak side and we get the bounce all over again. Blech!

Fortunately, one of my friends who was involved in the testing was online and we were able to discuss the problem and came to a consensus about what we should do. We came up with this addition to the strait rule:

A unit that has control over a strait loses control over the straight if it moves to the same place as a unit moving through the strait in question.

In this situation, what that means is: SIA and BEN bounce in SCS. Because SIA moved to the same place as BEN, SIA no longer can stop BEN from moving through the strait. Had the support from HKG not been cut, BEN would've successfully gotten through the strait. I think this is the best way of resolving the current problem. If you have any questions about it, please ask. Now on with the adjudication:

North America:
A Winnipeg Supports F Pacific Ocean - Vancouver (*No such unit*)

Mexico:
F Darwin - Perth (*disbanded*)
F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
F Revillagigedo Sea Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean
A Texas - Kansas
A Ontario Supports A Texas - Kansas
F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Bermuda Triangle Supports F Florida - Atlantic Ocean
F Atlantic Ocean - Canary Sea
A Iberia Holds
F Quebec Holds

South America:
F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Hong Kong Supports F Bay of Bengal - South China Sea (*cut*)
F Pretoria Holds
F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Sandwich Sea Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Recife Supports F Rio de Janeiro - Cape Verde Sea
F Caribbean Sea - Trinidad & Tobago
F Peru - Columbia (sc)
F Honolulu - Micronesian Sea
F Argentina - Falkland Sea
F Vancouver Supports F Arizona - Pacific Ocean

Russia:
F Alaska Supports F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean
F Baffin Sea - Nunavut
F Labrador Sea Holds
A London Holds
A Holland Supports F Paris
F Oslo - Arctic Ocean
F Murmansk - Kara Sea
A Caucasus Supports A Ankara - Tehran
A Xinjiang - Ulaanbaatar
A Beijing Supports A Tibet - Shanghai
A Vladivostok Holds
F Bering Sea - Pacific Ocean (*fails*)
F Korea - East China Sea

West Africa:
F Cape Verde Sea - Gulf of Guinea
F Canary Sea - Morocco
A Algeria Supports F Egypt - Libya
F Egypt - Libya
A Ouagadougou - Lagos (*fails*)
A Niamey Supports F Egypt - Libya (*cut*)

South Africa:
F Nairobi - Somalia
A Congo - Nairobi
F Lagos - Ouagadougou (*fails*)
A Zambezi - Maputo
A Khartoum - Egypt
A N'Djamena - Niamey (*fails*)
A Libya Supports A N'Djamena - Niamey (*dislodged*)

Persia:
F Paris Holds
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Tehran
A Baghdad - Riyadh
A Muscat - Addis Ababa
F Pakistan - Arabian Sea
A Mumbai - Pakistan
A Delhi - Tibet
A Tibet - Shanghai

China:
F Riyadh - Muscat
F Persian Gulf Supports F Riyadh - Muscat
A Tehran Supports F Riyadh - Muscat (*dislodged*)
A Shanghai - Hong Kong (*disbanded*)
F Taiwan - Philippines Sea

Oceania:
F Tasman Sea - Sydney
F Great Australian Bight - Tasman Sea
F Perth - Darwin
F Arafura Sea Supports F Perth - Darwin
F Jakarta - Siam (*fails*)
F Siam - South China Sea (*bounce*)
F Cocos Sea Holds

Retreats:
SAf: A Libya may retreat to Tunis or OTB
China: A Tehran may retreat to Baghdad, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan or OTB

Next Deadline: Let's get those retreats in by Thursday, Jan 8, 2200GMT and look for Fall to be due next Tuesday.

Everyone please check this map. I've set it up now so I just have to move units instead of having to redo the map every time. So if it's right now, it'll be good for the rest of the game (I hope).

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DC190 - Spring 2008 (worldwidegm at gmail.com) Jan 06, 10:17 pm

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