| DC 212 Deadline - Verticallychallangedcutie (Dec 19, 2008, 10:22 am) |
Folks,
I am still missing one set of orders. An email is being to the player to remind them of the deadline. IF I do not hear from him by tonight's deadline I may extend the deadline until tomorrow morning since I forgot to send out a deadline reminder last night.
-Rachael[Reply] |
| DC196 - Spring 09 Deadline Reminder - former.trout (Dec 19, 2008, 10:20 am) |
Heya Heroes and Villains,
Just sending a short deadline reminder here. Spring 09 orders are due in approximately 8 hours or so. I believe I have all but one set in hand so we're not looking too bad here.
Keep up the fight - for good or for bad! =P
Intrepid Sidekick Trout[Reply] |
| DC191 Study In Baltic - Spring 1912 - The Three St... - former.trout (Dec 19, 2008, 10:05 am) |
Heya folks of the Baltic,
The war has shifted to a narrow front - yet exciting breakthroughs continue to occur. This time it is the Swedes who with Finnish support bull their way into the South Baltic. And as the three-way draw is voted down, the battle continues. =)
A retreat is owed from the Polish fleet in SBA. We'll set the deadline for after the weekend, on Monday December 22nd (11:59 PM GMT). If I receive it earlier and marked FINAL though, I will adjudicate sooner.
Cheers folks! Let me know if you spot any errors.
Headmaster Trout
Movement results for Spring of 1912. (DC191 12 SPR)
Finland: A Konigsberg Supports A Riga - Narew.
Finland: A Riga - Narew (*Fails*).
Finland: F Tallinn Supports A West Dvina.
Finland: A West Dvina Supports A Riga - Narew.
Finland: A Helsingfors - Riga (*Fails*).
Finland: F Mid Baltic Supports F Hano Bay - South Baltic.
Finland: F North Baltic Convoys A Helsingfors - Riga.
Finland: F Gulf of Riga Supports A Helsingfors - Riga (*Fails*).
Finland: F Gulf of Finland Supports A West Dvina.
Poland: F Strulsund Supports F Kattegat.
Poland: A Wkra Supports A Narew.
Poland: A Narew Hold.
Poland: F Malmo Supports F Ronne - Hano Bay (*Cut*).
Poland: F Kattegat Supports F Malmo (*Cut*).
Poland: F South Baltic Supports F Ronne - Hano Bay (*Dislodged*).
Poland: F Ronne - Hano Bay.
Russia: A Minsk Supports A Narew.
Sweden: F Goteborg Supports F Skaggarak - Kattegat.
Sweden: F Bolmen(ec) - Malmo (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Skaggarak - Kattegat (*Fails*).
Sweden: F Hano Bay - South Baltic.
Sweden: F Slite - Gulf of Stockholm.
The following units were dislodged:
Polish F South Baltic can retreat to Danzig or Ronne.
Unit locations:
Finland: A Konigsberg, A Riga, F Tallinn, A West Dvina, A Helsingfors, F Mid
Baltic, F North Baltic, F Gulf of Riga, F Gulf of Finland.
Poland: F Strulsund, A Wkra, A Narew, F Malmo, F Kattegat, F South Baltic, F
Hano Bay.
Russia: A Minsk.
Sweden: F Goteborg, F Bolmen(ec), F Skaggarak, F South Baltic, F Gulf of
Stockholm.
Ownership of supply centers:
Finland: Konigsberg, Riga, Tallinn, St Petersburg, Kuopio, Helsingfors, Vasa,
Tornio, Saaremaa Island.
Poland: Strulsund, Danzig, Warsaw, Brest, Malmo, Copenhagen, Ronne.
Russia: Minsk.
Sweden: Sundsvall, Stockholm, Goteborg, Slite, Alaand Island.
Finland: 9 Supply centers, 9 Units: Builds 0 units.
Poland: 7 Supply centers, 7 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 1 Supply center, 1 Unit: Builds 0 units.
Sweden: 5 Supply centers, 5 Units: Builds 0 units.
NEXT DEADLINE: SUMMER 1912 RETREATS DUE MONDAY, DECEMBER 22ND (11:59 PM GMT)!![Reply] |
| DC 216 - WOT2 - Fall 1000 Results - Githraine (Dec 19, 2008, 10:01 am) |
Again the Great Captains seem to be reading from the same playbooks.
The only Army to successfully move was the Aiel, assisted in their sack of Cairhien by the Midlands.
3 Major battles took place. One around Emonds field involving 6 armies, one around Bream Wood and Tar Valon involving 6 armies, and one around Illian involving 8 units.
The Seafolk and Borderlanders both get One build, the Southlands and Midlands both must disband one each.
Orders in by Tuesday, Dec 23rd please.
If anyone has timing issues around the Holidays please let me know so we can accommodate them. I will keep the game going straight through if I can.
Orders:
Trollocs:
A Tarwin's Gap - Fal Dara (*Fails*)
SeaFolk:
F Sea of Storms - The Fingers of the Dragon (*Bounce*)
F Ebou Dar Bay - Kabal Deep
F Aile Dashar Hold
F Illian Supports F Sea of Storms - The Fingers of the Dragon (*Cut*)
Borderlands:
A Fal Dara Hold
A Arafel - Kandor
A Baerlon Supports A Mist Pass - Emond's Field (*Cut*)
A Shadar Logoth Supports A Baerlon
A Almoren - Cairhien (*Fails*)
A Tar Valon Supports A Cairhien - Braem Wood (*Cut*)
A Cairhien - Braem Wood (*Disbanded*)
WestLands:
F Aile Dashar Sea Hold
A Dhagon Supports A Shadar Logoth
A Tarabon Supports A Elmora
A Elmora Supports A Tarabon
A Mist Pass - Emond's Field (*Fails*)
Southlands:
A Plains of Maredo - Illian (*Bounce*)
A Far Madding Supports A Plains of Maredo - Illian
A Tear, no move received
F Godon - The Fingers of the Dragon (*Bounce*)
A Mayene - Godon (*Fails*)
Midlands:
A Emond's Field - Mist Pass (*Fails*)
A Caralain Grass - Tar Valon (*Fails*)
A Braem Wood Supports A Caralain Grass - Tar Valon (*Cut*)
A Whitebridge - Baerlon (*Fails*)
A Lugard Supports A Salidar - Illian
A Hills of Kintara Hold
A Aringill Supports A Jangai Pass - Cairhien
WhiteCloaks:
A Eastern Shadow Coast Supports A Amadacia - Eastern Shadow Coast (*Fails*) (*Invalid Order!!!*)
A Amadacia Supports A Eastern Shadow Coast - Amadacia (*Fails*) (*Invalid Order!!!*)
A Salidar - Illian (*Bounce*)
A Ebou Dar - Salidar (*Fails*)
Aiel:
A Jangai Pass - Cairhien[Reply] |
| DC 164 - Arctic Warriors - Spring 1913 Results - Githraine (Dec 19, 2008, 9:49 am) |
Quite a bit of movement as the course of the war continues to shift.
England and Germany manage to trade Sweden for Belgium, but the Germans capture the North Sea and Italy pushes deep into the west.
Sweden (German) can retreat to the Baltic, Gulf of Bothnia, or the Skagerrak.
The North Sea (English) can retreat to the Norwegian sea, the Skagerrak, the Helgoland Bight, the Channel, London, Yorkshire, or Edinburgh.
Retreat orders on Tuesday, Dec 23rd please.
If anyone has timing issues around the Holidays please let me know so we can accommodate them. I will keep the game going straight through if I can.
Moves:
England:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Finland - Sweden
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Brest
F North Sea Supports F English Channel - Belgium (*Dislodged*)
A Norway Supports A Finland - Sweden
France:
F Gulf of Lyon - Spain(sc)
A Marseilles - Gascony
F Western Mediterranean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany:
A Berlin - Munich
A Burgundy - Picardy
F Denmark Supports F Holland - North Sea
F Holland - North Sea
A Kiel - Ruhr
A Munich - Burgundy
A St Petersburg - Finland
F Sweden Supports A St Petersburg - Finland (*Dislodged*)
A Warsaw Hold
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Trieste
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Rome - Venice
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia
F Tuscany Supports A Venice - Piedmont
A Tyrolia Supports A Venice - Piedmont
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Western Mediterranean
A Venice - Piedmont
Russia:
F Albania - Ionian Sea
A Budapest Hold
A Moscow Hold
A Rumania Hold
A Sevastopol Hold
A Ukraine Hold
A Vienna Hold[Reply] |
| DC190 - Problem Solved (Winter 2007 reminder) - worldwidegm at gmail.com (Dec 18, 2008, 10:19 pm) |
Well... after some fairly lengthy work the map is back and better than ever. I think I've even managed to improve the colors a bit and the strait between London and Holland no longer looks like it involves Paris. AND I've put the units in as an extra layer so they won't get lost any more and adjudication will become a whole lot easier. Good news all around!
That is, except that I'm still missing two adjustments. I give you until Saturday, December 20, 1600GMT to get those in or I will have to waive the build/auto-disband.
mvp[Reply] |
| DC224 Slaughter At StoryTime - Fall 1901 - Aghast... - former.trout (Dec 18, 2008, 10:04 pm) |
Twas a full bar in Lubrick in search of some stew
Wandered a fierce warrior by name of Groo
The place was a gong show - a Leprechaun zoo.
A short little green fellow he sat down beside
Belching and burping his babbles with pride
The Leprechaun - in many beers he had cried
Seeing beside him a new friendly face
A tale of woe out from within him did race
Groo struggled hard just to try to keep pace
One thing the green fellow was not was terse
Spinning stories of how it was all going worse
Our warrior managed to hear ONE of FIVE letters o' verse
"Take those wee gutsy elves, who cut a trim treat
Yet a grim taste o' grist lies beneath edgy ear elite
In those verb' prove it will be a cruel heat"
What are you babbling - Groo cut off his rant
Then thought 'Did I err' as leprechaun started to pant
"What are you some kind of dumb mendicant?!"
Then Groo found fray - and oh what a fray.
Many leprechauns met their end that gloomy day.
For one thing Groo does is Slay, slay and SLAY!
The lesson, the moral, the lay of the land.
Is that while it may seem Groo's heads full of sand
NEVER call him a word he might not understand...
-----------------------------------------
Apologies to Matt as I slightly picked on him for my first Groo epic. He can take comfort in the fact that Groo wanders - and all of you other players will have the joy of meeting our muddle-headed warrior at some time or another. =P
Lots of action in the Fall turn but I'll leave it all to you to decipher what it means or doesn't mean. Congratulations to Captain Penner for picking up the first No-Prize - making the score Pirates:1, Everyone Else: 0. Be the first on your block to decipher the secret message in this adjudication and win your very own No-Prize!
Two retreats are needed before the Winter adjustments though. (Yes! Retreats in the first game-year... What a board!) Our friends the Archers need to find a new home for their fleet in Kingdom of Hearts and the mysterious Nomads must retreat from the City of Splendours. Deadline for the Early Winter 01 retreats will be set for Friday, December 19th (11:59 PM GMT). Yeah, I know that's tomorrow..
Winter adjustments deadline will then be set for Monday. Following that - I don't know. My preference would be to play through the holiday season BUT I need to hear whether or not any of you folks are going to have issues with that. Let me know if you have any dates where we cannot have an adjudication, please.
Also, please let me know if you spot any errors in the adjudication. Cheers everyone!
Rufferto Trout
Movement results for Fall of 1. (DC224 01 FALL)
Archers: F Koh Hold (*Dislodged*).
Archers: A Crc - Dul.
Archers: F Coi - Myt (*Bounce*).
Barbarians: A Par - Koh.
Barbarians: A Eri - Gwy (*Bounce*).
Barbarians: F Sae Supports A Par - Koh.
Centaurs: F Cat Supports F CRY - Bar (*Void*).
Centaurs: A Imm - Sle.
Centaurs: F SUN - Tel.
Dwarves: A Nim - Myt (*Bounce*).
Dwarves: A Ear - Pon.
Dwarves: F CHU Convoys A Nim - Myt.
Elves: A Ste - Rus.
Elves: F Mom - Aur.
Elves: F ROA - Cae.
Faeries: A Vin - Str.
Faeries: F Los - Gur (*Fails*).
Faeries: F NMO - Gum.
Gnomes: F Aca - Slg.
Gnomes: A Dan - Gwy (*Bounce*).
Gnomes: F Sta Hold.
Hobbits: A Bra - Two.
Hobbits: F LHU - Lho.
Hobbits: F SFS Supports A Thw - Nnl.
Knights: A Ice - GuT.
Knights: F Asl - Arc.
Knights: F CRY - Ice.
Leprechauns: F Mer - Tua.
Leprechauns: F Fit Supports A Ste - Faf (*Void*).
Leprechauns: A Pow - Dev (*Bounce*).
Magicians: A Cyr Hold.
Magicians: F HIS - Nnl (*Fails*).
Magicians: F WSS - Ske.
Nomads: F Fan - Tow (*Bounce*).
Nomads: F Cos Hold (*Dislodged*).
Nomads: F WMO - Jul.
Ogres: F Faf Hold.
Ogres: A Ogr - Dev (*Bounce*).
Ogres: F Ilt Supports F Mom - Aur.
Pirates: F Rik - HIS (*Fails*).
Pirates: F Tne - Tow (*Bounce*).
Pirates: A Thw - Nnl.
Rogues: A Orb - Grs.
Rogues: A Dai - Dim.
Rogues: F POR - Kee.
Samurai: A Anh Supports F Fra - Cos.
Samurai: F Fra - Cos.
Samurai: F BIK - WTH.
Trolls: F Kah - Gre.
Trolls: F Ord - Tro.
Trolls: A Pod Supports F Kah - Gre.
Undead: A Ist - Tim.
Undead: F STX - Ans.
Undead: F SAV - Ter.
Wizards: A Wat - Can.
Wizards: F RAZ - Myt (*Bounce*).
Wizards: F ROD - Ggl.
The following units were dislodged:
Nomad F Cos can retreat to Marshes of Morva, Shining Stream or OTB.
Archer F Koh can retreat to Prydain, Drynwyn, Andarien Plain or OTB.
Unit locations:
Archers: A Dul, F Koh, F Coi.
Barbarians: A Koh, A Eri, F Sae.
Centaurs: F Tel, A Sle, F Cat.
Dwarves: A Nim, A Pon, F CHU.
Elves: A Rus, F Aur, F Cae.
Faeries: F Los, F Gum, A Str.
Gnomes: F Slg, A Dan, F Sta.
Hobbits: A Two, F Lho, F SFS.
Knights: A GuT, F Arc, F Ice.
Leprechauns: F Tua, F Fit, A Pow.
Magicians: F Ske, A Cyr, F HIS.
Nomads: F Fan, F Cos, F Jul.
Ogres: F Faf, A Ogr, F Ilt.
Pirates: F Rik, F Tne, A Nnl.
Rogues: A Grs, F Kee, A Dim.
Samurai: F Cos, A Anh, F WTH.
Trolls: F Tro, F Gre, A Pod.
Undead: F Ans, F Ter, A Tim.
Wizards: A Can, F Ggl, F RAZ.
Ownership of supply centers:
Archers: Lly, Lox, Pry, Dul.
Barbarians: Par, Bre, Koh.
Centaurs: Anv, Tum, Tel, Sle, Cat.
Dwarves: Nim, Car, Und, Pon.
Elves: Gar, Gel, Pre, Rus, Aur, Cae.
Faeries: Vin, Oz, Ell, Los, Gum.
Gnomes: Hun, Khe, Ner, Slg.
Hobbits: Mor, Roh, Lin, Two, Lho.
Knights: GuT, Win, Arb, Grw, Arc, Ice.
Leprechauns: Kno, Lub, Tua.
Magicians: Tar, Erg, Kry, Ske, Cyr.
Nomads: Fan, Tgr, Jul.
Ogres: Hor, Neh, Lan, Faf.
Pirates: Rik, Tne, Pan, Nnl.
Rogues: Grs, Grm, Tsc, Ash, Kee, Dim.
Samurai: Tra, Mag, Fjo, Cos.
Trolls: Sor, Nif, Kah, Tro, Gre.
Undead: Sku, Eve, Ans, Ter.
Wizards: Bal, Wat, Fae, Can, Ggl.
Unowned: Orb, Ona, Who, Dev, Foc, Kri, Enc, Tow, Nem, Ava, Gwy, Spi, Gur,
Ivo, Myt, Zhe, Old.
Archers: 4 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Barbarians: 3 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 0 units.
Centaurs: 5 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 2 units.
Dwarves: 4 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Elves: 6 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 3 units.
Faeries: 5 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 2 units.
Gnomes: 4 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Hobbits: 5 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 2 units.
Knights: 6 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 3 units.
Leprechauns: 3 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 0 units.
Magicians: 5 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 2 units.
Nomads: 3 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 0 units.
Ogres: 4 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Pirates: 4 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Rogues: 6 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 3 units.
Samurai: 4 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Trolls: 5 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 2 units.
Undead: 4 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 1 unit.
Wizards: 5 Supply centers ( 0 blocked), 3 Units: Builds 2 units.NEXT DEADLINE: EARLY WINTER 01 ADJUSTMENTS DUE FRIDAY, DECEMBER 19TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!
[Reply] |
| DC201 (Viking) - Winter 959 adjustments & Vote - bielf11 (Dec 18, 2008, 8:21 pm) |
The Winter 959 adjustments:
SlavicNations: Build A Vitebsk
Sverige: Build A Przemysl
Then the vote for a DIAS: after having received all votes, it appears the proposal was VOTED DOWN.
So, sadly  , we have to continue a while longer.
Everyone was okay with the dates so deadline for Spring 960 orders is Monday Dec 29, at 23:00 GMT.
And a note to everyone: since we started I have had to remind several players that their orders were overdue. I like to get the adjudications out as per the deadline. I don't mind adjudicating a few hours later to avoid an impact on gameplay, but at the same time I'd like to ask everyone to watch those deadlines more carefully.
Frank[Reply] |
| DC200 Winter 1910 - dipknight (Dec 18, 2008, 4:03 pm) |
Merry Christmas and Best Wishes to all in the New Year!
Thanks for your efforts this past year Rene! I suspect I will get my orders in well before Jan 4th. But, just in case, can you give us about a 2 or 3 day reminder just before?
Thanks,
Darryl (Germany)
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:04 PM, René Krøll <rk(at)giorsoine.dk ([email]rk(at)giorsoine.dk[/email])> wrote:
Sorry for the delay guys.
The Winter turn is here
France:
Build F Brest
Germany:
Build F Kiel
Russia:
Build A St Petersburg
Turkey:
Build F Smyrna
Some have said they would like the holiday break, so Spring 1911 is gonna be Sunday 4th January 2009 at 8 pm GMT
Have a merry christmas and a happy and safe new years eve.
Your GM
René
[Reply] |
| DCI Turkish EOG - ddz999cat23 (Dec 18, 2008, 3:42 pm) |
Hi All,
First as always, many thanks to Stephen for GMing. Great job.
Great playing all around. I had a excellent time in both rounds. From my perspective I really liked round 1 and the gunboat. A varient and/or gunboat in round 1 would be my recommendation for the future.
Good to hear Mike's perspective in regard to the thought process behind a potential GAF. That was what I was truly afraid of once Mike and Clark turned on Jorge. As always a bit of luck accompanied my success. Here's how the stars aligned for me...
1) From the top I looked to jump on Russia. As it turned out pretty much everyone else had the same thought. If Nigs had any success anywhere else he might have been able to repel me.
2) French incursion into the Med and the clear Western Triple helped make allies of Austria and Italy rather than what I might otherwise expect as the Turk and the IAT formed to set up a stalemate line against the EGF. I had intended to keep it in hopes that the EGF would crumble, and even if it didn't that would still mean a share in the DCI. But at this point things couldn't be going much better.
3) Then... out with Lee in with Garry. This was really a HUGE turning point for me, since I had offered - and was ready to deliver to Lee - Rum or Bul to cement our relationship. That was really part of our AIT deal. He would then send his armies up the middle. With Garry in, the IAT was already up and running. So, why mention such a small matter to Garry?
4) When Garry jumped out of the AIT it really upset the apple cart. Not only bad news for the AIT, but he also supported Germany against my support of Russia. I figured this might be the end of me if Austria and Germany are coordinationg and my only other ally Mikeal was being eaten up. But the even bigger problem was that I was a marked man as a round 1 winner. But as it turned out Garry's move led quickly to the FGT.
5) Both stabs of Garry came with the same idea propegated by Jorge that the AET could out slug the FG. Leting him drive the negotiations made my involvement more plausible. But...I must say I agreed with this AET thought but with recent Austrian complications and my fears of an AGF (sooner or later) I had to get Garry out of the game ASAP before any French or German help could arrive. (Pretty much for all the reasons given by Mike in his EOG). It was during these years that the tournament aspect of the game really made it interesting. However, I was quite close to joining an AET, especially the first time around. But sometimes short term gains really do trump long term promises (unlike when the Red Sox traded Jeff Bagwell for Larry Anderson... sigh). I really did want to see what the AET could do against Germany as Clark was pretty exposed to the east and south. But giving back Bud seemed like I would be opening the door to the AFG, expecially with Garry now coordinating with Mike... yikes!
At one point I looked at the possibility of going for a solo but didn't see enough dots out there for me with French control of Italy. I suspected the caliber of players was too hight to let that happen.
I also I really wanted to see a German unit walk into Paris with all the French manpower out to sea. That would have been fun to watch. But the FG was too strong.
Anyway, great playing. Hope to see you all across the board again sometime. Maybe in the Winter Blitz.
Dan Dz.[Reply] |
| DC200 Winter 1910 - trezdk (Dec 18, 2008, 3:05 pm) |
Sorry for the delay guys.
The Winter turn is here
France:
Build F Brest
Germany:
Build F Kiel
Russia:
Build A St Petersburg
Turkey:
Build F Smyrna
Some have said they would like the holiday break, so Spring 1911 is gonna be Sunday 4th January 2009 at 8 pm GMT
Have a merry christmas and a happy and safe new years eve.
Your GM
René[Reply] |
| DC200 Winter 1910 (dc200) dipknight Dec 18, 04:03 pm |
Merry Christmas and Best Wishes to all in the New Year!
Thanks for your efforts this past year Rene! I suspect I will get my orders in well before Jan 4th. But, just in case, can you give us about a 2 or 3 day reminder just before?
Thanks,
Darryl (Germany)
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 2:04 PM, René Krøll <rk(at)giorsoine.dk ([email]rk(at)giorsoine.dk[/email])> wrote:
Sorry for the delay guys.
The Winter turn is here
France:
Build F Brest
Germany:
Build F Kiel
Russia:
Build A St Petersburg
Turkey:
Build F Smyrna
Some have said they would like the holiday break, so Spring 1911 is gonna be Sunday 4th January 2009 at 8 pm GMT
Have a merry christmas and a happy and safe new years eve.
Your GM
René
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - klynch427 (Dec 18, 2008, 2:25 pm) |
Thanks Kai, I appreciate the clarification on my fleet in TRI. The map you attached still seems to show an army in TRI though.
I'm ok with the deadline though it does seem a long way off. I at least don't think I'm needing as long for diplomacy, so I wouldn't mind if the deadlines came a bit quicker.
Kevin
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:12:14 -0500
From: jrobfoster(at)gmail.com
To: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
CC: former.trout(at)gmail.com; klynch427(at)hotmail.com; kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com; vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr; josepayne(at)gmail.com; rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com; dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Hey guys,
The ruling stands as is. I interpreted it as farthest away from the home centers, as did RealPolitik. There was a mess up on my part however, Austria is right and it should be a Fleet in Tri. I read it horribly wrong and have no idea why. >_< Correct map is attached. And it seems everyone is ok with the deadline as is?
Kai
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
FWIW - I agree. On all points.
You might also want to consider something at the top of the houserules
stating what edition was used in drafting the rules. The URL you had
in the other email would be good to put up there as well.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin Lynch <klynch427(at)hotmail.com ([email]klynch427(at)hotmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Germany Diplomacy <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Turkey DC 197 <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent France Diplomacy <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; Joe/Italy Diplomacy <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor/England Diplomacy <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:02:17 AM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Guys,
Having taken part in creating the default HRs I can assure everyone that it was never the intention to create a set of rules that conflicted with the Standard Diplomacy rules.
The quote I just pasted from the rules says essentially the same thing as our house rules do - only our HRs throw in the SC condition as well. Instead of a bullet-point list, the standard rulebook just wrote it into a paragraph.
The bullet-point list is only to eliminate options to reduce the auto-disband to a single choice. All four conditions should be viewed as a set and taken together.
The final word is up to Jackson, of course. But the rule-book says that he made the right call, the HRs say that he made the right call and as the player whose unit it is I agree with it as well.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Kevin Lynch <klynch427(at)hotmail.com ([email]klynch427(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] Wow - lots of emails in my inbox tonight. 2 comments.
1) I actually requested a Fleet in Trieste. I've re-sent that email to the GM, not sure how I ended up with an Army in TRI instead.
2) I'm not sure I quite understand the "take the rules as a whole" argument. Don't you use alphabetically only as the last resort? And don't you use fleet over army only as the next-to-last resort? It would make more sense to me to keep a unit in a supply center, so I'd think that comes first. In which case, BLA should be disbanded and not MUN. I don't really care too much how this ends up, but that is the outcome that makes the most sense to me.
Austrian Kevin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:37:22 -0800
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
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A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:22046814f2] [*:22046814f2]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:22046814f2]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:22046814f2]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:22046814f2]Alphabetical"[/list:u:22046814f2]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:22046814f2] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| dc 197 Winter 1905 - Kai (Dec 18, 2008, 2:12 pm) |
Hey guys,
The ruling stands as is. I interpreted it as farthest away from the home centers, as did RealPolitik. There was a mess up on my part however, Austria is right and it should be a Fleet in Tri. I read it horribly wrong and have no idea why. >_< Correct map is attached. And it seems everyone is ok with the deadline as is?
Kai
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
FWIW - I agree. On all points.
You might also want to consider something at the top of the houserules
stating what edition was used in drafting the rules. The URL you had
in the other email would be good to put up there as well.
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Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 12:02:17 AM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Guys,
Having taken part in creating the default HRs I can assure everyone that it was never the intention to create a set of rules that conflicted with the Standard Diplomacy rules.
The quote I just pasted from the rules says essentially the same thing as our house rules do - only our HRs throw in the SC condition as well. Instead of a bullet-point list, the standard rulebook just wrote it into a paragraph.
The bullet-point list is only to eliminate options to reduce the auto-disband to a single choice. All four conditions should be viewed as a set and taken together.
The final word is up to Jackson, of course. But the rule-book says that he made the right call, the HRs say that he made the right call and as the player whose unit it is I agree with it as well.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:49 PM, Kevin Lynch <klynch427(at)hotmail.com ([email]klynch427(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] Wow - lots of emails in my inbox tonight. 2 comments.
1) I actually requested a Fleet in Trieste. I've re-sent that email to the GM, not sure how I ended up with an Army in TRI instead.
2) I'm not sure I quite understand the "take the rules as a whole" argument. Don't you use alphabetically only as the last resort? And don't you use fleet over army only as the next-to-last resort? It would make more sense to me to keep a unit in a supply center, so I'd think that comes first. In which case, BLA should be disbanded and not MUN. I don't really care too much how this ends up, but that is the outcome that makes the most sense to me.
Austrian Kevin
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:37:22 -0800
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
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A fleet in SYR cannot go through ARM. If it said shortest distance I would agree.
Oh, wait - these are DC rules - the hell with the game rules.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:33:22 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Right on. So we agree. =)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:32 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] nope - the 82 rules say "as computed by the shortest route"
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:29:20 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Number of spaces is counted regardless of unit type. Whether the unit is a fleet or an army is irrelevent. For the purpose of calculating distance from a home SC, the unit is either X number of spaces or it is not.
You guys are adding sub-text where there isn't any.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:27 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082]No, I think he may be correct - SYR can NOT go to ARM.
If we are taking convoys into account then I think the intent
is that the route the unit must take is important as well.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:25:17 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
What happened to Armenia? Did we suddenly pop into a seismic game? =P
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082]Nope, because a fleet in SYR is not two spaces away from a Russian province.
In that case, the fleet in SYR would be removed, because even at the least, the fleet in SYR is 4 spaces away from SEV.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] yes - even if the unit in SYR was also a fleet.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:18:57 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Exactly. Because both are two spaces away from Russias home SCs. Then you take the one that is not on an SC itself.
Go one step further. Same example but add a fleet in the Norwegian Sea. In that case, it would be the fleet that gets disbanded and Munich and Syria would both stay on the board.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:15 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] so then if you had a unit in MUN and SYR - the unit in SYR would
then be disbanded?
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To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
Cc: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:00:40 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
None of those take precedence over each other - they are meant to be taken as a whole.
i.e.
The unit disbanded is the one that is furthest from a home center.
If more than one is equidistant from a home SC, then the unit removed is one not on a supply center.
If more than one are not on a supply center then you take fleets before armies.
Then you resort to the alphabet if there choices still have not resolved into one.
In this case there was only one unit that was two spaces away from a home SC. That was Munich.
T.
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:54 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] Yeah, I was just looking at that. What the rules don't say is which takes priority,
furtherest from home, or on a supply center or not.
But I am curious - given the three editions that have come out since my 82 edition -
what do they say? Yes, I know the DC House Rules trump the real rules, but it
would be interesting to see what they say. Especially since Kevin's email implies they
may be different.
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 10:47:59 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Good grief. How did I miss sending in that order. Sorry guys.
Packrat is right though - the default is usually the unit furthest from the home centers. (Not just any center.) But default removals are covered by the HRS - which are in this case the default DC house rules.
"On a Winter turn an NMR (NBR/NDR) would mean that if the player was building - the builds would be waived and if the player was disbanding, units would be disbanded under the following rules [list:f6abaa8082] [*:f6abaa8082]Units not in a supply center before units in a supply center [*:f6abaa8082]Units further from home centers before units closer to home centers [*:f6abaa8082]Fleets before armies if equidistant per the above [*:f6abaa8082]Alphabetical"[/list:u:f6abaa8082]
Both of my units that are not on a supply center are only one space from a home center. Munich is two. As such, Jackson made the correct disband.
Long story short, the lapse on my part was unforgiveable and the forced disband is my fault. I think Jackosn made the right call.
Trout
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:24 PM, Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] Which rules are you referencing?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 8:14 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] I believe the rules say HOME supply center.
The units are removed furthest from home first - regardless of
whether it is a supply center or not, armies before fleets, and
alphabetically if equidistant.
From: Kevin O <kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com ([email]kodiplomacy(at)gmail.com[/email])>
To: Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com ([email]brn2dip(at)yahoo.com[/email])>; former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Vincent Decattoire <vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr ([email]vincentdecattoire(at)yahoo.fr[/email])>; joe payne <josepayne(at)gmail.com ([email]josepayne(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Trevor Baillie <rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com ([email]rtbaillie(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com ([email]KLYNCH427(at)hotmail.com[/email]); dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc197(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:11:33 PM
Subject: Re: dc 197 Winter 1905
Folks, I have a dispute about these adjudications.
The default by Russia seems to be incorrect adjudicated, according to the DiplomaticCorp House Rules.
The rules specifically state that the first unit to be removed is a unit that is not in a supply center. Clearly, MUN is a supply center.
Then, the next criteria states that the unit which is further from a home supply center is to be removed. Both FIN and BLA are one space away from a home supply center (even though STP is not owned by Russia, it is still a Home supply center).
The third criteria is a fleet before an army will be removed. BLA is a fleet. FIN is an army. Therefore, BLA should have been removed.
Thanks,
-kevin
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Jackson Foster <jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f6abaa8082] Austria:
Build A Trieste
Build A Vienna
Build A Budapest
England:
Defaults, removing F Yorkshire
France:
Build A Paris
Build A Marseilles
Build F Brest
Germany:
Remove A Bohemia
Italy:
Remove F Eastern Mediterranean
Remove A Ankara
Russia:
Defaults, removing A Munich
Next orders due Friday the 26th 23:00 GMT
If this does not work let me know as I know some may be on vacation.
Kai
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| DC201 (Viking) - Fall 959 adjudication - FlapJack (Dec 18, 2008, 1:29 pm) |
sveirge votes YES
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 6:18 AM, Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Norge votes YES.
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:12:55 -0500
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Subject: DC201 (Viking) - Fall 959 adjudication
CC: ajstroup1(at)yahoo.com ([email]ajstroup1(at)yahoo.com[/email]); former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]); jrobfoster(at)gmail.com ([email]jrobfoster(at)gmail.com[/email]); leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk ([email]leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk[/email])
Fall 959: you may not (want to) believe this but a DIAS (Draw Including All Survivors) has been proposed.
Please submit your votes before the Winter 959 deadline.
Now let's head back to what happened this Fall.
The Slavs had no access to their command and thus resorted to self-support instead.
The Swedes now are openly supporting the Romans. Will be interesting to see how that will impact the relationships between the Powers.
Retreats are due this Autumn.
Burgundy:
A Abruzzi - Ancona (*Disbanded*)
A Alsace - Koln
F Barca - Alexandria (*Bounce*)
A Frankfurt Supports A Mainz - Bavaria
A Genova Supports A Pisa
F Ligurian Sea - Cagliari (*Fails*)
A Lombardy - Venezia (*Bounce*)
A Mainz - Bavaria
A Marseilles Hold
A Pisa Supports A Abruzzi - Ancona (*Cut*)
A St. Gallen - Tirol (*Fails*)
A Verdun - Flanders
F Western Mediterranean Sea Supports F Ligurian Sea - Cagliari (*Cut*)
A Zurich - St. Gallen (*Bounce*)
EasternRomanEmpire:
F Alexandria - Eastern Mediterranean Sea
A Ancona Supports F Napoli - Abruzzi
A Buda - Venezia (*Bounce*)
F Cagliari Supports F Strait of Sicily - Western Mediterranean Sea (*Cut*)
F Cherson Bight - South Black Sea
A Cumaniya Hold
A Graz Supports A Buda - Venezia (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Jorsal - Alexandria (*Bounce*)
A Kaffa Supports A Cumaniya
A Khazar Empire Hold
F Libyan Sea Supports F Alexandria - Eastern Mediterranean Sea
F Napoli - Abruzzi
F North Black Sea Supports A Khazar Empire
A Paristria - Beograd
A Pest Hold
F Roma - Ligurian Sea (*Bounce*)
F Strait of Sicily - Western Mediterranean Sea (*Dislodged*)
A Tirol - St. Gallen (*Bounce*)
A Transylvania Supports A Cumaniya
A Venezia - Pisa (*Fails*)
SlavicNations:
A Burta Hold
A Gardarike Hold
A Holmgard Hold
A Kjonugard Hold
A Mordvin Hold
A Smolensk Hold
F Vladimir Hold
Norge:
A Auvergne Hold
F Berber Coast - Strait of Sicily
F Bretagne - English Channel
A Catalonia Hold
F English Channel - Sea of England
F Gulf of Lyons - Ligurian Sea (*Bounce*)
A Lapland - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
A Maine - Bretagne
F Mid Atlantic Ocean Hold
A Savoie Supports A Lombardy (*Ordered to Move*)
F Sea of England - North Sea
F Serkland Supports F Tunis
A Skiringssal - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
A Toulouse Hold
F Tunis Supports F Berber Coast - Strait of Sicily
Sverige:
F Baltic Sea - Bornholmer Sea (*Fails*)
A Bavaria Supports A Tirol - St. Gallen (*Dislodged*)
A Birka - Tiundaland
F Bornholmer Sea - Kattegat (*Fails*)
A Brandenburg - Hessen
A Breslau - Brandenburg
A Gdansk - Pommern
F Gulf of Finland - Gulf of Bothnia
A Kalmar - Goteborg
A Oldenburg - Groningen
A Ruthenia, no move received
A Uppsala - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
Retreats
------------
Swedish A Bavaria can retreat to Praha. Or OTB.
Roman F Strait of Sicily can retreat to Palermo. Or OTB.
Deadline for Autumn 959 is Tuesday Dec 16, at 23:00 GMT.
Deadline for Winter 959 will be set at Thursday Dec 18, at 23:00 GMT.
I will be away, without access to the Internet from Saturday Dec 20 until Sunday Dec 28.
So I'd like to suggest that the deadline for Spring 960 will be Monday Dec 29, at 23:00 GMT.
And Fall 960 on Monday Jan 5, at 23:00 GMT.
Any objections to these dates, please let me asap.
Frank
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| DCI 2008 Final Standings - cl2849 (Dec 18, 2008, 11:53 am) |
Congrats Dan! And thanks Steve for coordinating everything - was a lot of fun.
Best,
CL
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 9:03 AM, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Heya!
Congrats Dan. That's a pretty tough field that you came out on top of. =)
Hats off to all of you 2008 DCI'ers... In the struggle lies the glory, so
they say.
Trout
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
wrote:
[quote:a7a418e48d]
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
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To: briankingfox(at)hotmail.com; stevelytton(at)hotmail.com;
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Subject: DCI 2008 Final Standings
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:21:48 +1100
Dci 2008
Organiser's Comment: I, for one, really enjoyed this year's DC. I know
some players were not in favour of the gunboat game but overall I think the
2 games were played very well. All 11 of my 'selected' players played to
110% of their ability (again with one withdrawal from my original 6). I am
amazed that both games have ended in 2008, when traditionally we normally
finish around April but then I wonder if the Christmas season and upcoming
winter blitz have been responsible the large number of DC games that are
finishing at the moment.
I would like to thank all the players for their commitment to the games,
and a special thankyou to the players who sent me comments, opinions,
feedback and general emails as we went along. I particularly loved the
diplomacy that was happening in the second game.
anyway - without further ado. Final Standings of the DCI 2008
In reverse order..
In 10th Position on 1 point is Derek Eyler.
In 9th Position on 1 point is Brian Lam
In 8th Position on 4 points is Lee Taylor
In 7th Position on 4 points is Nigel Phillips
In 6th Position on 4 points is Garry Bledsoe
In 5th Position on 7 points is Mike Sims
In 4th Position on 7.5 points is Mikael Johansson
In 3rd Position on 8.5 points is Clark Landry
In 2nd Position (and first runner up) on 10 points is Jorge Saralegui
so In 1st Position, a relative newcomer (perhaps his unknowness helped him
in this year's diplomacy) is
Dan Dzikowicz.
Standings in the DCI ranking table.
At Start of Competition
Mike Sims 1st
Mikael 3rd
Clark 5th
Lee 7th
Jorge 9th
Nigel 16th
Brian 21st
Dan 23rd
Derek 27th
Garry 81st
At the end of the competetion, we have
Mike Sims 1st (no change)
Mikael 3rd (no change)
Nigel 5th (+11 positions)
Jorge 6th (+3 positions)
Clark 8th (-3 positions)
Brian 10th (+11 positions)
Derek 11th (+14 positions)
Lee 15th (-8 positions)
Dan 18th (+5 positions)
Garry 45th (+36 positions)
* But remember apart from the top 3, these rankings change A lot with
every game...
Thankyou
Steve - DCI Tournament Director.
PS
Trout - if you are still reading, you are ranked 7th - 1 point behind
Jorge!
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
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| DCI 2008 Final Standings - former.trout (Dec 18, 2008, 11:04 am) |
Heya!
Congrats Dan. That's a pretty tough field that you came out on top of. =)
Hats off to all of you 2008 DCI'ers... In the struggle lies the glory, so they say.
Trout
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:34 AM, Stephen Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
From: stevelytton(at)hotmail.com ([email]stevelytton(at)hotmail.com[/email])
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Subject: DCI 2008 Final Standings
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:21:48 +1100
Dci 2008
Organiser's Comment: I, for one, really enjoyed this year's DC. I know some players were not in favour of the gunboat game but overall I think the 2 games were played very well. All 11 of my 'selected' players played to 110% of their ability (again with one withdrawal from my original 6). I am amazed that both games have ended in 2008, when traditionally we normally finish around April but then I wonder if the Christmas season and upcoming winter blitz have been responsible the large number of DC games that are finishing at the moment.
I would like to thank all the players for their commitment to the games, and a special thankyou to the players who sent me comments, opinions, feedback and general emails as we went along. I particularly loved the diplomacy that was happening in the second game.
anyway - without further ado. Final Standings of the DCI 2008
In reverse order..
In 10th Position on 1 point is Derek Eyler.
In 9th Position on 1 point is Brian Lam
In 8th Position on 4 points is Lee Taylor
In 7th Position on 4 points is Nigel Phillips
In 6th Position on 4 points is Garry Bledsoe
In 5th Position on 7 points is Mike Sims
In 4th Position on 7.5 points is Mikael Johansson
In 3rd Position on 8.5 points is Clark Landry
In 2nd Position (and first runner up) on 10 points is Jorge Saralegui
so In 1st Position, a relative newcomer (perhaps his unknowness helped him in this year's diplomacy) is
Dan Dzikowicz.
Standings in the DCI ranking table.
At Start of Competition
Mike Sims 1st
Mikael 3rd
Clark 5th
Lee 7th
Jorge 9th
Nigel 16th
Brian 21st
Dan 23rd
Derek 27th
Garry 81st
At the end of the competetion, we have
Mike Sims 1st (no change)
Mikael 3rd (no change)
Nigel 5th (+11 positions)
Jorge 6th (+3 positions)
Clark 8th (-3 positions)
Brian 10th (+11 positions)
Derek 11th (+14 positions)
Lee 15th (-8 positions)
Dan 18th (+5 positions)
Garry 45th (+36 positions)
* But remember apart from the top 3, these rankings change A lot with every game...
Thankyou
Steve - DCI Tournament Director.
PS
Trout - if you are still reading, you are ranked 7th - 1 point behind Jorge!
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
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| DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication - sanjat312 (Dec 18, 2008, 10:59 am) |
I'm good, of course (no builds). Have a great holiday season!
Thanks,
Josh
--- On Thu, 12/18/08, Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication
To: bielschowsky.f(at)gmail.com
Cc: dc223(at)diplomaticcorp.com, "Doug Wooden (DC223 FRA)" <dougwooden(at)gmail.com>, "Gwilliam, Simon (DC223 ITA)" <simon.gwilliam(at)baesystems.com>, "Joao Carvalho (DC223 RUS)" <jpfalcao(at)mac.com>, "Joshua Tag (DC223 TUR)" <sanjat312(at)yahoo.com>, "Stefan Krekeler (DC223 GER)" <Stefan.Krekeler(at)web.de>, "maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk" <maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk>, "Simon Gwilliam" <bassdrum13(at)hotmail.com>, "Former Trout (DC190 South Africa / DC176 Austria / DC195 Argentina / DC201 France)" <former.trout(at)gmail.com>, "Steve Lytton (DC195 Columbia / DC201 Norge)" <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Date: Thursday, December 18, 2008, 8:47 AM
dates are fine with me..i'm working half days on both dec 24th and Dec 26th (i'm off both days but i work two jobs and each one is dec 24 and one is off dec 26)...so i'm on if you need me...
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:01 PM, F Bielschowsky <bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com ([email]bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:f995790027] Austria army Munich retreats to Bohemia.
Italy sees its units increase by 2 and Austria has to disband one.
What was that again about an alliance between Italy and Austria?
Ownership:
Austria: Budapest, Greece, Vienna.
England: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Sweden, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Smyrna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 3 Unit 4 Remove 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2
Russia: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Deadline for Winter 1902 adjustments is Sunday Dec 28, at 23:00 GMT.
If however I have all adjustments in before the 20th, I may adjudicate Winter before my departure.
In that case the Dec 28 deadline will be for Spring 1903.
Frank
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| DC 211: Half-Retreat - AceRimmer (Dec 18, 2008, 10:55 am) |
I don't have a retreat from Turkey yet, but I'm going to adjudicate anyway and assume:
Russian A Retreats to St. Petersburg
Turkish A Retreats to Ankara
If Mark wishes to correct the above assumption, he should notify everybody. Russia's retreat is legit and confirmed. But this way, we can still have Seismics due tomorrow at 1000 CST. Then, next Monday, we can have the adjustments, at which time Mark may or may not disband the aforementioned army in Ankara.
Adam[Reply] |
| DC223 - Autumn 1902 Adjudication - FlapJack (Dec 18, 2008, 10:48 am) |
dates are fine with me..i'm working half days on both dec 24th and Dec 26th (i'm off both days but i work two jobs and each one is dec 24 and one is off dec 26)...so i'm on if you need me...
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:01 PM, F Bielschowsky <bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com ([email]bielschowsky.f(at)googlemail.com[/email])> wrote:
Austria army Munich retreats to Bohemia.
Italy sees its units increase by 2 and Austria has to disband one.
What was that again about an alliance between Italy and Austria?
Ownership:
Austria: Budapest, Greece, Vienna.
England: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Norway.
France: Belgium, Brest, Marseilles, Paris, Portugal, Spain.
Germany: Berlin, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich.
Italy: Naples, Rome, Serbia, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Russia: Moscow, Rumania, Sevastopol, St Petersburg, Sweden, Warsaw.
Turkey: Ankara, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Smyrna.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 3 Unit 4 Remove 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Italy: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2
Russia: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Deadline for Winter 1902 adjustments is Sunday Dec 28, at 23:00 GMT.
If however I have all adjustments in before the 20th, I may adjudicate Winter before my departure.
In that case the Dec 28 deadline will be for Spring 1903.
Frank
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| DCI French EGS - FuzzyLogic (Dec 18, 2008, 10:02 am) |
First off congrats to Dan, a well-deserved DCI win, owed mainly to some good play in the 2nd round. For me, the game kinda went in two phases... call them phase 1 and phase B.
In Phase A, I was thinking about how to approach the game, in any sense other than it just made sense for me and Clark to attack Jorge, cuz Jorge had won in round 1, and we had to outperform him in game 2 to have any DCI chances. (This is where tournament play did alter my strategy a bit). Eventually tho, for some reason, we all came to the idea of opening in a triple. It took a lot of convincing on the part of all parties, but I think ultimately, Jorge wanted to see my fleets go into the Med, cuz two of his opposition for the DCI were Mikael and Dan, so he surely wanted to see them hit before himself... and so we (after a lot of back and forth) agreed Jorge would open hard to the north, I would open straight for the Med (passing up on Iberian centers in 01) and Clark would open to the Baltic Sea and set up a capture of Sweden real quick.
It all worked great in 01, we got the jump in every direction. At this point I started talking to Mikael, to see if he'd want to work w us on our team, and go for Turkey, or if he wanted to fight me instead... and we didnt really beat around the bush too much, he pretty much said he was going to shore up against me - before I'd even made a move against him. I would have liked to see what would have happened if I'd been given the chance to go against Turkey, my original preference... overextending the French navy clear to the east. Who would have stabbed me and when? 
It was bad enough, at one point France had 6 fleets and a single army, and was ripe for an invasion many turns. If I'd gotten my fleets that far into the Eastern Med, it would have been even that much more appealing, but alas, nobody made a move against me! Despite spending multiple rounds completely exposed, my allies stuck with me, and this really enforced my committment to stick with them.
Then we had a few botched orders, which really messed up our team, mainly by playing with peoples' minds I think. After the initial conquest of StPete, Jorge made the "doh" blunder of being over-aggressive, and trying to take Livonia before securing StP for a fall turn, and he walked right out of StP leaving it uncaptured. This left a Russian fleet alive way longer than it should have been, and really slowed us down. Then, Clark started ordering a bit conservatively, keeping a fleet posted in Sweden instead of moving it back into the Baltic, and then Jorge started keeping a fleet posted in the North Sea. All of these were just cascading conservative measures, and what happens once the trust gets tainted in some way. I was still confident at this point that both parties on my team trusted me, and so I kept my push into the Med going... leaving my north shore wide open. But eventually the breakdown between EG was too much to overcome, so I had to pick one side or another... i.e. Phase 2.
Being that I had not a single army, I really couldnt stab Clark, (by design) and so I made the shift north towards England. He tried (somewhat successfully) to get Austria and/or Turkey on his side, to deal a crippling blow to Germany and lighten the pressure on himself, but I think it was too little too late. Even if Austria had gotten a good stab into Germany, our 5 fleets outnumbered the English fleets by 1, so we would have succeeded against England in time. It did surprise me the turn Jorge helped Nigel into Sweden instead of himself, since that cost him the necessary equalizing fleet which could have gone right into Liverpool.
Then we had a few flipflops from Austria... and I never really knew whos side you were on Garry! (true Diplomacy - I think that is how the game is best, always fluid and dynamic) Sometimes you were with me and Clark, other times you were with Jorge, but the good thing for me, was that Dan stabbed you... then you tried to work with him again, and he stabbed you again. I'm not sure how things would have played out differently if Dan had not made those stabs - you would have gained ground in Germany, Dan would have had to work around the edges, and with StP and the Med blocked, there wasnt a good path for Dan to keep growing in that plan. In any case, I'm glad the stabs occurred, cuz it turned Austria around from the German front, and after that it was all downhill.
We did consider trying for a 3-way AFG instead of FGT, but once Turkey had pillaged most of Austria, that became too much of an impossibility. I also considered what I could get that would be better than a 3-way draw, and my conclusion was: nothing. With Turkey destroying Austria, I felt Turkey was going to lodge himself squarely onto 13-14 centers, and a pretty impenetrable position. He didnt have Italy, so it wasnt technically a stalemate line, but it would have taken a good 10 years of play to try to push him back, and MAYBE score a 2-way, but it was just too hard to pull off once Turkey is that big. So I figured the 3-way was the best result I could get, so I took it.
Good game to all, excellent GM'ing as usual by Steve, congrats to Dan for the win...
-mike[Reply] |
| Unknown - david_e_cohen (Dec 18, 2008, 9:01 am) |
| I do not believe I am on your email list for adjudications. I would love to be, though. The email address to use is zendip18 AT optonline DOT net. [Reply] |
| Unknown - scaponig (Dec 18, 2008, 7:10 am) |
Did you get the email, or just the post?
I'm pretty sure I attached it to the email.[Reply] |
| DC 180: On a Scandal: Spring 1910 Adjucation - scaponig (Dec 18, 2008, 7:08 am) |
Both Draws Voted Down!
So, we move on to Spring:
Germans Blitz Warsaw, but lose Galacia.
French make Amphibious assault on Albania, Turkish Fleet disbands
One retreat, so if Germany would rather retreat A Gal OTB, let me know ASAP.
Mick will be out of town from tomorrow until January 5th. He has proxied his units (and his vote) to Russia in the meantime.
Still, with the holidays, let's have a bit of an extended deadline. Fall Orders due on Saturday, December 27th at 23:59 GMT. If I do get all orders in with marked FINAL, I will adjucate early if that's what you guys want.
Get Prelims in!
Steve
Spring Orders
Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Greece (*Fails*)
A Trieste Supports A Apulia - Albania
A Venice Supports A Trieste
A Vienna Supports A Trieste (*Cut*)
France:
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Apulia - Albania
A Apulia - Albania
F Eastern Mediterranean - Smyrna (*Fails*)
F English Channel Hold
A Gascony Hold
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Apulia - Albania
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
F Tunis Supports F Ionian Sea
Germany:
F Baltic Sea Supports A Berlin - Prussia
F Barents Sea Hold
A Berlin - Prussia
F Edinburgh - Norwegian Sea
A Galicia - Ukraine (*Dislodged*)
A Livonia Supports A Silesia - Warsaw
F London Hold
A Munich - Silesia
A Ruhr Hold
A Silesia - Warsaw
A St Petersburg - Moscow (*Fails*)
Russia:
A Budapest - Vienna (*Fails*)
A Moscow - Warsaw (*Fails*)
A Rumania Supports A Warsaw - Galicia
A Ukraine Supports A Moscow - Warsaw (*Cut*)
A Warsaw - Galicia
Turkey:
F Albania Supports A Greece (*Disbanded*)
A Bulgaria Supports A Greece
F Constantinople Supports A Smyrna
A Greece Supports F Albania (*Cut*)
A Serbia Supports F Albania
A Smyrna Supports F Constantinople (*Cut*)
Summer Order:
Germany:
A Galicia - Bohemia[Reply] |
| DC 207: Summer 366 BC Adjucation - stevelytton at gmail.com (Dec 18, 2008, 5:42 am) |
Steve
I'm not goign to be available from the 24th to the 28th.
On 17/12/2008, Steve Caponigri <scaponig(at)yahoo.com ([email]scaponig(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote: Retreat orders fail as A Handan is retreated OTB!
Map is coming up later tonight, for now, just make that army disappear with your mind...
Fall 366 BC Due on Wednesday, December 24th at 23:59 GMT. Get prelims in for this one, if you don't do prelims already, because this seems like a night when many people probably won't be on their computers all night with nothing to do....
Steve
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Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin,
Knight of the Rose[Reply] |
| DC201 (Viking) - Fall 959 adjudication - deathblade_penguin (Dec 18, 2008, 5:18 am) |
Norge votes YES.
Stephen Lytton
Knight of the Rose
www.diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:12:55 -0500
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Subject: DC201 (Viking) - Fall 959 adjudication
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Fall 959: you may not (want to) believe this but a DIAS (Draw Including All Survivors) has been proposed.
Please submit your votes before the Winter 959 deadline.
Now let's head back to what happened this Fall.
The Slavs had no access to their command and thus resorted to self-support instead.
The Swedes now are openly supporting the Romans. Will be interesting to see how that will impact the relationships between the Powers.
Retreats are due this Autumn.
Burgundy:
A Abruzzi - Ancona (*Disbanded*)
A Alsace - Koln
F Barca - Alexandria (*Bounce*)
A Frankfurt Supports A Mainz - Bavaria
A Genova Supports A Pisa
F Ligurian Sea - Cagliari (*Fails*)
A Lombardy - Venezia (*Bounce*)
A Mainz - Bavaria
A Marseilles Hold
A Pisa Supports A Abruzzi - Ancona (*Cut*)
A St. Gallen - Tirol (*Fails*)
A Verdun - Flanders
F Western Mediterranean Sea Supports F Ligurian Sea - Cagliari (*Cut*)
A Zurich - St. Gallen (*Bounce*)
EasternRomanEmpire:
F Alexandria - Eastern Mediterranean Sea
A Ancona Supports F Napoli - Abruzzi
A Buda - Venezia (*Bounce*)
F Cagliari Supports F Strait of Sicily - Western Mediterranean Sea (*Cut*)
F Cherson Bight - South Black Sea
A Cumaniya Hold
A Graz Supports A Buda - Venezia (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Jorsal - Alexandria (*Bounce*)
A Kaffa Supports A Cumaniya
A Khazar Empire Hold
F Libyan Sea Supports F Alexandria - Eastern Mediterranean Sea
F Napoli - Abruzzi
F North Black Sea Supports A Khazar Empire
A Paristria - Beograd
A Pest Hold
F Roma - Ligurian Sea (*Bounce*)
F Strait of Sicily - Western Mediterranean Sea (*Dislodged*)
A Tirol - St. Gallen (*Bounce*)
A Transylvania Supports A Cumaniya
A Venezia - Pisa (*Fails*)
SlavicNations:
A Burta Hold
A Gardarike Hold
A Holmgard Hold
A Kjonugard Hold
A Mordvin Hold
A Smolensk Hold
F Vladimir Hold
Norge:
A Auvergne Hold
F Berber Coast - Strait of Sicily
F Bretagne - English Channel
A Catalonia Hold
F English Channel - Sea of England
F Gulf of Lyons - Ligurian Sea (*Bounce*)
A Lapland - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
A Maine - Bretagne
F Mid Atlantic Ocean Hold
A Savoie Supports A Lombardy (*Ordered to Move*)
F Sea of England - North Sea
F Serkland Supports F Tunis
A Skiringssal - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
A Toulouse Hold
F Tunis Supports F Berber Coast - Strait of Sicily
Sverige:
F Baltic Sea - Bornholmer Sea (*Fails*)
A Bavaria Supports A Tirol - St. Gallen (*Dislodged*)
A Birka - Tiundaland
F Bornholmer Sea - Kattegat (*Fails*)
A Brandenburg - Hessen
A Breslau - Brandenburg
A Gdansk - Pommern
F Gulf of Finland - Gulf of Bothnia
A Kalmar - Goteborg
A Oldenburg - Groningen
A Ruthenia, no move received
A Uppsala - Jemtland (*Bounce*)
Retreats
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Swedish A Bavaria can retreat to Praha. Or OTB.
Roman F Strait of Sicily can retreat to Palermo. Or OTB.
Deadline for Autumn 959 is Tuesday Dec 16, at 23:00 GMT.
Deadline for Winter 959 will be set at Thursday Dec 18, at 23:00 GMT.
I will be away, without access to the Internet from Saturday Dec 20 until Sunday Dec 28.
So I'd like to suggest that the deadline for Spring 960 will be Monday Dec 29, at 23:00 GMT.
And Fall 960 on Monday Jan 5, at 23:00 GMT.
Any objections to these dates, please let me asap.
Frank
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