| DC 134 - WOT - Fall 1001 Results - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Updated Maps.
Sorry for the delay!
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Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 8:59:27 PM
Subject: DC 134 - WOT - Fall 1001 Results
Kandor Burns!
As the Borderlanders involve themselves in the affairs of the south, a Trolloc Horde has savaged Kandor.
But the Wind that drives the smoke across the land brings another change, the Seafolk have also loosed their vigilance and thre Seanchen Navies enter the Aryth Ocean for the first time since they sailed away at Hawkwing's command. Seafolk Rakers are also seen sailing up rivers all across the land. They bring Envoys to the Great Captains.
Dower grey women with three tiered parasols, each accompanied by a woman full of the Power, and a man with no scabbard on the sword at his belt, bring a message to each leader:
"The Sea Folk will no longer accept vague promises and short memories in exchange for their forbearance or support. Our fleets are now in place to inflict discomfort, if not outright pain, on every coast. We welcome serious proposals from all parties on how to do business in a manner which benefits us for more than one turn. All concerned can expect to pay something, one way or another."
We have 2 retreats, Shadar Logoth can only retreat to Saldaea so I will assume that unless you want to OTB Steve.
Lugard can retreat to Malden, The Hills of Kintara, or Far Madding.
Please note that the map is incorrect regarding the Whitecloak army that took Emond's Field.
I will get an updated map out first thing tomorrow morning (and will update the website at that time)
Lets have retreats in by Wednesday February 27th (at) 9pm
Results:
Trollocs:
A Tarwin's Gap - Fal Dara (*Fails*)
A Kandor - Maradon (*Fails*)
SeaFolk:
F Sea of Storms - Kabal Deep
F Kabal Deep - Ebou Dar
F The Fingers of the Dragon Hold
F Aile Dashar - Aile Dashar Sea
F Chodon Kal - Eastern Aryth Ocean
Borderlands:
A Fal Dara Hold
A Arafel - Kandor (*Fails*)
A Maradon Supports A Shadar Logoth (*Cut*)
A Almoren - The Black Hills
A Tar Valon Supports A Cairhien
WestLands:
A Arad Doman - Dhagon
F Falme - Toman Head Bay
A Almoth Plain Supports A Tarabon
A Tarabon Hold
A Shadar Logoth Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Cairhien Supports A Tar Valon
Southlands:
F Cindalking Supports F Godon
A Lugard Supports A Illian (*Dislodged*)
A Illian Supports A Lugard (*Cut*)
A Far Madding - Plains of Maredo
A Aringill Hold
A Tear Supports A Far Madding - Plains of Maredo
F Godon Supports F Cindalking
Midlands:
A Baerlon Supports A Caralain Grass - Shadar Logoth
A Caralain Grass - Shadar Logoth
A Braem Wood - Caemlyn
A Four Kings Supports A Whitebridge - Lugard
A Whitebridge - Lugard
WhiteCloaks:
A Elmora Hold
A Amadacia Hold
A Ghealdan - Emond's Field
A Salidar - Illian (*Fails*)
Seanchan:
F Northern Seanchen Sea - The Aryth Ocean
F Southern Seanchen Sea Supports F Northern Seanchen Sea - The Aryth Ocean
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| Once Within: Fear the Wizard's Cat - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Last night across the north of the imaginary country of England, an earthquake struck (5.3 Richter), shortly before 1 am GMT (or the far better midnight, portuguese time).
I and my wife were awoken. I naturally claimed it as an earthquake, but my wife, far more astute than I, pointed out the real reason: I must have forgotten to put the cat out, and the way in which the bed bounced was therefore the cat jumping on to and off the bed.
Even then BBC (Barbarian Broadcasting Cabal) were deceived.
Now that I know the truth, I shall bend all my endeavours to harnassing this mighty power: where ever you may be hiding in the fog, fear my cat, the mighty Jet (he's jet black)
Wiz Nigs
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| Dc159 Spring 1901 - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Dc150 Spring 1901
Commander AJ 'Ace' Rimmer sits safe and content in the control room of Ice Station Zero as the moves begin to flood in.
Russian Armies flee south to prepare for the floods.
English Fleets bombard the north sea even though there was no danger of other fleets moving there.
Austria secures Tyrloia - for good or evil?
Italians to scared to move all their armies.
and that's just the start...
Fall 1901 is due next Wednesday 5th March at 9pm, Australian EST.
Austria:
A Budapest - Serbia
A Trieste Supports A Vienna - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Tyrolia
England:
F Edinburgh - North Sea
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
F London Supports F Edinburgh - North Sea
France:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Marseilles - Spain
A Paris - Burgundy
Germany:
A Berlin - Silesia
F Kiel - Denmark
A Munich - Ruhr
Italy:
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Rome - Apulia
A Venice Hold
Russia:
A Moscow - Sevastopol
A Sevastopol - Rumania
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
A Warsaw - Ukraine
Turkey:
A Ankara - Constantinople
F Constantinople - Aegean Sea
F Smyrna - Eastern Mediterranean
Stephen
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| Dc159: Specific Deluge Rules - Clarification - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Gentleman
I am clarifying the deluge rules as with the intial set, I sent out a rule for deluge 1 that was update in deluage 2.
The rule in question is number 5. New SC do not start forming until 1902, not 1901.
Here are the correct Deluge rules. Changes in RED.
Deluge Rules.
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Deluge Rules.
0. Regular Diplomacy rules apply except when they don't.
1. The game begins in Winter 1900 which is played as a separate season. Players may decide which type of unit to build in their home centres in readiness for Spring 1901. For example, Russia may build F(StP)nc if it wishes.
2. Any army in a coastal province may, instead of being ordered to move or support, be ordered to turn into a fleet. Such a transformation will be successful provided the unit is not dislodged that move.
3. Rising sea levels result in the gradual submergence of provinces according to Table 1 below. Submergences occur every year after any adjustments in Winter. Once submerged, a s.c. is effectively destroyed and may not be used for the following Winters' adjustments.
Table 1 - Submergences W 1901: Lon, Hol, Bel, Gas, Ven, Lvn.
W 1902: Yor, Pic, Apu, Rum, Sev, Fin, Syr, Den, Lpl.
W 1903: Arm, Bre, StP, Par, Tus, Nap, Bud, Kie.
W 1904: Ber, Mos, Mar, Por, Rom, Vie, Bul, Gre, Pru, Ruh, Gal, Ukr, Con.
W 1905: Wal, Cly, Swe, Tri, Alb, War, Ice.
W 1906: Edi, Spa, Tun, Ser, Smy, Sil, Boh.
W 1907: Nwy, Mun, Pie, Tyr, NAf, Bur, Ank.
4. Armies in provinces which submerge are drowned!
5. New supply centres are formed in the course of the game, after all Winter retreats and adjustments, according to Table 2.
Table 2 - New Supply Centres
W 1902: Wal, Ruh, Tyr.
W 1903: Ukr, Ice
W 1904: Pie.
W 1905: Boh, Sil.
W 1906: Swi
W 1907: NAf
When a new s.c. is created it immediately comes under the control of :-
(1) any unit occupying that province
(2) the last country to have a unit in that province
(3) the country within whose boundary the new s.c. lies
(4) if none of the above it is neutral.
6. Iceland is a valid space in this variant and it becomes passable after W 1901. The province of Switzerland becomes passable after W 1904.
7. Players may build units in any vacant supply centre which they control.
8.The winner is the survivor (if any) after W 1908.
9. We will be using the modified Army-Fleet rules. These are :-
A fleet is capable of carrying an army (rather than convoy) to further spaces on the map. The 'boarding' phase happens prior to moves, however the 'disembark' phase happens at the same time as regular moves. If the 'carrying' fleet does not move in that season, it can adds it's support to the disembark. Here are some examples of how this might work.
Example 1
A London Boards Fleet English Channel
F English Channel moves to Mid Atlantic Ocean
A London disembarks in Portugal.
So london moves to portugal with strength of 1. If it bounces out of portugal it will remain on board the fleet in the MAO creating an A/F
Example 2
A Mid Atlantic Ocean disembarks in Portugal
A/F Mid Atlantic Ocean supports A Mid atlantic ocean - portugal
The army on board the A/F would attempt to move to Portugal with support, so a strength of 2.
NB - a combined A/F counts as 2 units.
Example 3
A London Boards Fleet North Sea
F North Sea suppors A london - holland
A London disembarks in Holland.
In this example, the army in London is moving to Holland with a strength of 2. If another country cut the support from the north sea the army would only move to holland with a strength of 1.
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Stephen
aka Deathblade_penguin (Knight of the Lion)
at www.diplomaticcorp.com
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Subject: Dc159: Specific Deluge Rules
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:35:12 +1100
.ExternalClass .EC_hmmessage P {padding:0px;} .ExternalClass EC_body.hmmessage {font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma;} Here are another copy of the deluge rules (including the re-modified Army-Fleet rule) for you to read. I've added a 3rd example to the a-F rules to answer a question, a player asked me.
Stephen
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| Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 R... - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Firstly Bret and Dave
Bret, as Dave pointed out, the taking of your mainland holdings, were a direct result of YOUR CHOICE to not disband the mainland armies. Did I misrepresent at times? Yes. But both China and I were clear in requirement for you to disband your mainland armies. I can dig up the archives and show you and everyone else how our diplomatic efforts progressed and how you didn't start losing centers until you CHOSE to leave your armies in play.
Now regarding the rhetoric and blah blah blah so clearly laid out by Rudi...
The perspective is skewed and we will probably never come to agreement on this issue but if you read my call to arms, it very specifically indicated that peace and trust would have to garnered immediately. I also included in that peace that Russia would have to get over the recent turn of China, the continued pressure from Austria and that other parties would have to manage the same.
Regarding the 40%, it is not so much the overall percentage, but if you break it down into sphere of influence compared to the ability to counter, you see that USA is well on it's way to increasing in number. In fact once over the minor central america hurdle, it will overtake Brazil easily propelling him towards a solo. Who can counter that? Brazil is surely outmatch if the situation remains as it is. If France were to help Brazil, they have an uphill battle that will eventually stall and push back USA. Add to that fray some British pressure and USA may be pushed back slightly quicker. In order for France to turn he needs peace with Austria. In order for England to stay the course he needs Russia to support, not steal, scandinavian centers.
Now Holland - who will oppose him? I have tried none stop since i came into this game to rally the troops against Holland. I believe USA, Brazil, Japan, France and China can testify to that fact. The few powers that could have started making an impact - China, France and Japan - with the exception of Japan had no interest in doing anything to to counter Hollands unchecked growth. Japan stood up to the call though unfortunately, as outlined above, it didn't quite pan out as we had all hoped. I bear some of that responsibility, without question. France What is your excuse? Cooperation between you and Brazil would have had you owning south africa by now. China what is your excuse? Cooperation with me would have you holding all of India by now. The by products of each of those attacks would have provided opportunities for Japan and Brazil in the south pacific, Austria and Russia in the mid east and who knows where those would have lead too?
So my battle cry is not one of trickery, but one to wake up the masses and call for a collective realization that the lesser powers are right now faced with two choices. 1) Set aside ALL differences, band together and start to picking away at Holland and the USA. 2)We each continue on the path we are on right now and effectively hand the game to Holland and the USA, and which ever other lesser power chooses to wear their skirt (France currently sports that).
I, Russia, am willing to set aside past differences, effectively becoming a supporting figure - even to the point of offering my SC's to aid those that will benefit from the additional unit. My NW fleets are at English displosal. I offered China control of the Pacific build ports and will table that offer again. I have offered China support in India and will also table that again. Japan still has 3 SC on mainland Asia, and I see no reason to change that. I will make the effort, the sacrifice and whatever else to make this work.
But I stress the time has to be now and we, the lesser powers, all need to be in agreement. France and Brazil in the south Atlantic can make strides. England and France can make strides in the north Atlantic. Austria and Russia can lock down the mideast. Russia and China can over run India. China, Japan and Brazil can make progress in the Indo islands. China, Russia and Japan can hold back USA in the north and mid pacific. If any one of these areas is not cooperating, the whole operation is pointless.
Together we can pick away at Holland and USA until they crack. Independantly we will, as we have been, lose ground until it is irreversible.
Rob.
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:23:25 AM
Subject: RE: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
Bret,
Waitaminnut...don't lump me in with Russia. China also takes pride in the fact that it was always straight with Japan. ???
When you came on the scene Bret, China/Japan was at war...and you continued in that vein.
That was cool...I still said "welcome to the game...and good luck! "
Then finally you asked me when you were losing ground to allow you the mainland holdings to help you fight versus Holland. Don't you remember what happened? I said you had a couple of disbands coming so if you disbanded the mainland armies (which you did not need for a naval war), I would comply.
You did the exact opposite...so I continued to capture Chinas birthrights.
Don't transfer your hatred at Russia onto China.
Russia evil.
China good.
No lead was used in the preparing of this message.
Dave - China
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From: Bret Pollack <bret_pollack(at)hotmail.com>
.hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} You made your bed now lie in it. I was content to fight Hollands expansion into the Pacific but you and china could not see your way clear of leaving my mainland holdings alone to allow me some strength for the fight. Brazil and the US then go off ans start their own war with no eye to any other goal. I am simply tired of people blowing smoke and then not sticking into what they say they will do. At least Holland has been fairly straight forward. when He stabbed me, he never continued along a simple line of its for the good of the game or I need to do that!!. You on the other had made simple grab at four centers with out the consideration of any consequences. Deal with it!!
[quote:0f639a145e] Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:55:37 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
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Subject: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
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Cast this game to the turf. It's over.
Holland has complete and utter control of the Indian Ocean. Gaining control in Africa and the Mideast. And being given gifts in the south Pacific by Japan. The powers that could prevent his advance have chose instead to bicker and stab amongst themselves turning a blind eye to Hollands unchecked growth.
The USA has exploded recently. He currently has NO significant threat to him. No vulnerable front and it is only a mater of time before he cracks Brazil and England. And he will continue to pick up gains as Japan collapses.
Who will turn and stop them? Who will stop bickering and stabbing and make a global concerted effort to stop them? Anyone? It would take all of the lesser powers - by name: Austria, England, France, China, Russia, Brazil and Japan - just to start to counter their strong holds. Anyone?
I am guilty of the bickering and stabbing myself. But I have given every effort imaginable to join those forces against Holland and USA. No real willing partners. Not even in certain area's where it would seem beneficial. I am tired. Tired of trying to band forces together to fight the super powers. Tired of neighbors, who should be allies, choosing to squabble over scraps while H and U continue to grow UNCHECKED!
Russia is now fully committed to repaying China. Not because of his stab, but because since we started talking, he has continued to turn a blind eye to Holland and disregarding the fact that he COULD make a difference. Every unit I have will now be thrown in that direction. If people, namely Austria choose to gobble up my centers as I redirect them then my point to this press will only be amplified. If France continues to be the patsy to these two powers, then I say hike that skirt up higher and bite the pillow a little harder. Soon they will swallow you up as well.
End this now, so I don't have to watch 7 players watch as their lack of awareness and desire to counter 2 players bites them in the ass.
USA and Holland - well done. Not sure how you got to that point before I joined, but what ever spell you cast over the rest of us deserves my applaud.
Dave I am coming for you...
Russia.
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| Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 R... - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Firstly Bret and Dave
Bret, as Dave pointed out, the taking of your mainland holdings, were a direct result of YOUR CHOICE to not disband the mainland armies. Did I misrepresent at times? Yes. But both China and I were clear in requirement for you to disband your mainland armies. I can dig up the archives and show you and everyone else how our diplomatic efforts progressed and how you didn't start losing centers until you CHOSE to leave your armies in play.
Now regarding the rhetoric and blah blah blah so clearly laid out by Rudi...
The perspective is skewed and we will probably never come to agreement on this issue but if you read my call to arms, it very specifically indicated that peace and trust would have to garnered immediately. I also included in that peace that Russia would have to get over the recent turn of China, the continued pressure from Austria and that other parties would have to manage the same.
Regarding the 40%, it is not so much the overall percentage, but if you break it down into sphere of influence compared to the ability to counter, you see that USA is well on it's way to increasing in number. In fact once over the minor central america hurdle, it will overtake Brazil easily propelling him towards a solo. Who can counter that? Brazil is surely outmatch if the situation remains as it is. If France were to help Brazil, they have an uphill battle that will eventually stall and push back USA. Add to that fray some British pressure and USA may be pushed back slightly quicker. In order for France to turn he needs peace with Austria. In order for England to stay the course he needs Russia to support, not steal, scandinavian centers.
Now Holland - who will oppose him? I have tried none stop since i came into this game to rally the troops against Holland. I believe USA, Brazil, Japan, France and China can testify to that fact. The few powers that could have started making an impact - China, France and Japan - with the exception of Japan had no interest in doing anything to to counter Hollands unchecked growth. Japan stood up to the call though unfortunately, as outlined above, it didn't quite pan out as we had all hoped. I bear some of that responsibility, without question. France What is your excuse? Cooperation between you and Brazil would have had you owning south africa by now. China what is your excuse? Cooperation with me would have you holding all of India by now. The by products of each of those attacks would have provided opportunities for Japan and Brazil in the south pacific, Austria and Russia in the mid east and who knows where those would have lead too?
So my battle cry is not one of trickery, but one to wake up the masses and call for a collective realization that the lesser powers are right now faced with two choices. 1) Set aside ALL differences, band together and start to picking away at Holland and the USA. 2)We each continue on the path we are on right now and effectively hand the game to Holland and the USA, and which ever other lesser power chooses to wear their skirt (France currently sports that).
I, Russia, am willing to set aside past differences, effectively becoming a supporting figure - even to the point of offering my SC's to aid those that will benefit from the additional unit. My NW fleets are at English displosal. I offered China control of the Pacific build ports and will table that offer again. I have offered China support in India and will also table that again. Japan still has 3 SC on mainland Asia, and I see no reason to change that. I will make the effort, the sacrifice and whatever else to make this work.
But I stress the time has to be now and we, the lesser powers, all need to be in agreement. France and Brazil in the south Atlantic can make strides. England and France can make strides in the north Atlantic. Austria and Russia can lock down the mideast. Russia and China can over run India. China, Japan and Brazil can make progress in the Indo islands. China, Russia and Japan can hold back USA in the north and mid pacific. If any one of these areas is not cooperating, the whole operation is pointless.
Together we can pick away at Holland and USA until they crack. Independantly we will, as we have been, lose ground until it is irreversible.
Rob.
----- Original Message ----
From: "dipknight(at)comcast.net" <dipknight(at)comcast.net>
To: Bret Pollack <bret_pollack(at)hotmail.com>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Cat23 1200 List <cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com>; dc110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:23:25 AM
Subject: RE: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
Bret,
Waitaminnut...don't lump me in with Russia. China also takes pride in the fact that it was always straight with Japan. ???
When you came on the scene Bret, China/Japan was at war...and you continued in that vein.
That was cool...I still said "welcome to the game...and good luck!"
Then finally you asked me when you were losing ground to allow you the mainland holdings to help you fight versus Holland. Don't you remember what happened? I said you had a couple of disbands coming so if you disbanded the mainland armies (which you did not need for a naval war), I would comply.
You did the exact opposite...so I continued to capture Chinas birthrights.
Don't transfer your hatred at Russia onto China.
Russia evil.
China good.
No lead was used in the preparing of this message.
Dave - China
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From: Bret Pollack <bret_pollack(at)hotmail.com>
.hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} You made your bed now lie in it. I was content to fight Hollands expansion into the Pacific but you and china could not see your way clear of leaving my mainland holdings alone to allow me some strength for the fight. Brazil and the US then go off ans start their own war with no eye to any other goal. I am simply tired of people blowing smoke and then not sticking into what they say they will do. At least Holland has been fairly straight forward. when He stabbed me, he never continued along a simple line of its for the good of the game or I need to do that!!. You on the other had made simple grab at four centers with out the consideration of any consequences. Deal with it!!
[quote:251f7fb39c] Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:55:37 -0700
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Subject: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
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Cast this game to the turf. It's over.
Holland has complete and utter control of the Indian Ocean. Gaining control in Africa and the Mideast. And being given gifts in the south Pacific by Japan. The powers that could prevent his advance have chose instead to bicker and stab amongst themselves turning a blind eye to Hollands unchecked growth.
The USA has exploded recently. He currently has NO significant threat to him. No vulnerable front and it is only a mater of time before he cracks Brazil and England. And he will continue to pick up gains as Japan collapses.
Who will turn and stop them? Who will stop bickering and stabbing and make a global concerted effort to stop them? Anyone? It would take all of the lesser powers - by name: Austria, England, France, China, Russia, Brazil and Japan - just to start to counter their strong holds. Anyone?
I am guilty of the bickering and stabbing myself. But I have given every effort imaginable to join those forces against Holland and USA. No real willing partners. Not even in certain area's where it would seem beneficial. I am tired. Tired of trying to band forces together to fight the super powers. Tired of neighbors, who should be allies, choosing to squabble over scraps while H and U continue to grow UNCHECKED!
Russia is now fully committed to repaying China. Not because of his stab, but because since we started talking, he has continued to turn a blind eye to Holland and disregarding the fact that he COULD make a difference. Every unit I have will now be thrown in that direction. If people, namely Austria choose to gobble up my centers as I redirect them then my point to this press will only be amplified. If France continues to be the patsy to these two powers, then I say hike that skirt up higher and bite the pillow a little harder. Soon they will swallow you up as well.
End this now, so I don't have to watch 7 players watch as their lack of awareness and desire to counter 2 players bites them in the ass.
USA and Holland - well done. Not sure how you got to that point before I joined, but what ever spell you cast over the rest of us deserves my applaud.
Dave I am coming for you...
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| DC116 Vogon's Revenge - Fall 1913 - Stacked Crooke... - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
I just wanted to thank all for a great (if long) game.
But especially to my partner Jorge, for sticking with me for a very strong end, to Mike, who stepped into a weak turkish position and held the line far longer then we could have expected (and teaching me a few things along the way) and Doug, who stuck out an impossible position for longer then I can credit, and playing the sides off to perfection to keep his micro-empire alive. No one earned a survivor credit more.
And I would like to note, the turning point, from my perspective was in the first years of the game when I did not take a vulnerable St Petes when Russia would have fallen to Austria and Turkey, forming the alliance that lasted the entire game.
Good Game everyone, see you all on the next board!
Jason
----- Original Message ----
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: dc116 <DC116(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Cc: Doug Colex <dcolex1(at)netzero.net>; Jason K <Githraine(at)yahoo.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net>; Mike Sims <mike(at)southwall.com>; Neil Smark <smark6(at)ozemail.com.au>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:13:51 PM
Subject: Re: DC116 Vogon's Revenge - Fall 1913 - Stacked Crooked
Folks...
Once again, Trout is on drugs.
It was NOT a DIAS that was proposed, but an English / Russian Draw. That is what passed - not a vote on a DIAS.
Thanks to the players that pointed out my error here. Apologies for any confusion. This game ends in an [u:81bca5d3de]E/R DRAW!
[/u:81bca5d3de](good grief... See - you guys CAN do a better job at this than I can...) =P
Trout
On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:
'Your poetry is REALLY bad'
The players said, all very mad
'Our ears have bled,
Brain cells gone dead -
Please stop it now you heartless cad!!'
---------------------------------------------------------
And how could I refuse a request like that? Yes, the DIAS draw passes with five enthusiastic votes and peace falls on the European continent once more. For the sake of things, I ran through the Fall 1913 adjudication but it changes little and the board remains dead-locked. Therefore, this game is one for the books. My thanks and congratulations to all you players for playing this one out to the bitter end. It was a hard-fought one, that's for sure. End-of-game statements are, of course, very welcome.
For the record, for all of you folks who watched what I did, shrugged their shoulders and said 'Meh, I could do that,' then have I got an offer for you.. Diplomaticcorp is currently looking for GM's to step up and put me in my place. Whether you have lots of experience, or have never GM'd a single game, we'd love to have you. If you're interested (and I *know* you are) just drop me, Sims or Penger a line...
Once again, my hearty congratulations to you guys for the draw. Thanks for putting up with all the horrendous poetry with nary a protest.. =)
Cheers!
Trout
DC-116 Vogon's Revenge A Standard Game Game Started:
Current Turn: Fall 1913
GAME RESULT: 1913 DIAS (England, Russia, Turkey, Italy, Austria)
The Rowdy Cast
Austria: Doug Colex dcolex1(at)netzero.net ([email]dcolex1(at)netzero.net[/email]) England: Jason K. Githraine(at)yahoo.com ([email]Githraine(at)yahoo.com[/email]) France: Dem Young demjyoung(at)yahoo.com ([email]demjyoung(at)yahoo.com[/email]) Germany: Mikael Johannsen m_don_j(at)hotmail.com ([email]m_don_j(at)hotmail.com[/email]) Italy: Neil Smark smark6(at)ozemail.com.au ([email]smark6(at)ozemail.com.au[/email]) Russia: Jorge Saralegui jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net ([email]jorgesaralegui(at)verizon.net[/email]) Turkey: Mike Sims mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])
Humble GM: Former Trout former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])
CURRENT SEASON:
FALL 1913 END-GAME PROPOSAL:
DRAW INCLUDING ALL SURVIVORS - PASSES!!!
FALL 1913 ORDERS:
TURKEY:
F WMS S GOL OK A Tyr Holds OK F ADR-Tri OK A Ser S Bud OK A Bul S Rum OK F Black S Rum OK F Arm-Sev [BOUNCE with SEV 1:1] [GM NOTE: A RUM UNORDERED - HOLDS] OK
AUSTRIA:
a Bud holds OK
ENGLAND:
A Belgium - Picardy OK A Burgundy Supports F Marseilles OK F English Channel Supports F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean OK A Gascony Supports F Spain(sc) OK F Irish Sea Supports F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean OK F Marseilles Supports F Spain(sc) [CUT by PIE] F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal OK F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean OK F North Sea Hold OK F Spain(sc) Supports F Marseilles OK
ITALY:
Fleet North Africa support Western Mediterranean OK Fleet Gulf of Lyon supports Western Mediterranean OK Army Piedmont – Marseilles [BOUNCE with MAR 1:3] Army Venice Support Tyrolia OK
RUSSIA:
F Swe H OK F StP H OK F Sev H OK A Mos S F Sev OK A Ukr-Rum [BOUNCE with RUM 1:3] A Gal-Bud [BOUNCE with BUD 2:2] A War-Gal [BOUNCE with GAL 1:1] A Vie S A Gal-Bud OK A Boh S A Vie OK A Mun-Tyr [BOUNCE with TYL 1:1]
WINTER 1913 ADJUSTMENTS:
Turkey: No Adjustments Austria: No Adjustments England: BUILDS 1 Italy: No Adjustments Russia: No Adjustments
UNIT / SUPPLY CENTER BREAKDOWN
------------------------------
TURKEY:
8 Supply Centers - Ank, Con, Smy, Gre, Bul, Ber, Ser, Rum, Tri
4 Armies - Rum, Ser, Tyl, Bul
4 Fleets - Wme, Bla, Tri, Arm
AUSTRIA:
1 Supply Center - Bud
1 Army - Bud
0 Fleets -
ENGLAND: BUILDS 1
11 Supply Centers - Lon, Edi, Bre, Bel, Lvp, Hol, Par, Spa, Nwy, Por, Mar
3 Armies - Bur, Gas, Pic
7 Fleets - Mar, Iri, Por, Spa(sc), Nth, Eng, Mao
ITALY:
4 Supply Centers - Nap, Rom, Tun, Ven
2 Armies - Ven, Pie
2 Fleets - Naf, Gol
RUSSIA:
10 Supply Centers - Mos, War, Sev, Stp, Swe, Kie, Mun, Den, Vie, Ber
7 Armies - Vie, Boh, Gal, War, Ukr, Mos, Mun
3 Fleets - Swe, Sev, Stp(nc)
GERMANY - ELIMINATED 1906
FRANCE - ELIMINATED 1908
GAME RESULT: 1913 DRAW INCLUDING ALL SURVIVORS (Turkey / Russia / England / Austria / Italy)
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| DC127 - Fall & Autumn 08 adjudicated - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Dear players,
Another NMR from France, so the power goes into Civil Disorder - sorry James, I am sure you will not be too upset  Thanks to the rest of you for getting orders in on time - they were as follows:
FALL 08
AUSTRIA
A Mun Hold
A Ber S A Mun
A Boh S A Mun
A Trl - Ven
F Tri S A Trl - Ven
A Ser S F Tri
F Bul (sc) - Gre
A Sev - Arm
A Lvn - StP
A Mos S A Lvn - StP
ENGLAND
f swe hold
f kie support f hol
f eng-bre
f bar support russian army stp
f hol support f kie
f pic support f bel
f north sea-heligoland blight
f bel hold
FRANCE
NMR
GERMANY
A Ruhr - Kiel
ITALY
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Gascony
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles
A Marseilles Supports F Spain(sc)
A Venice Hold
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice
F Albania - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
A Smyrna Hold
RUSSIA
a st pets-lvn
f bot-supports-a-st pts-lvn
Thanks to Cory for sticking it out to the end. And so we say goodbye to Germany. No disrespect at all to our ex-Kaiser, but I think it is most indicative of Turkey's superior defensive position that even a power in civil disorder has outlived an active central one. Good game Cory, better luck next time.
I'm still having a couple of issues with Realpolitik on my mac. It is making it impossible for me to enter Hold orders for only some territories. Please check your maps carefully for errors. No retreats - I THINK - so attached are your Fall orders and Autumn maps. Winter adjustments are due to me no later than Friday 3pm GMT and are as follows:
WINTER 08
AUSTRIA Supp 11 Unit 10 Build 1
ENGLAND Supp 10 Unit 8 Build 2
FRANCE Supp 1 Unit 3 Remove 2 Civil Disorder - default disbands will be used
GERMANY Supp 0 Unit 1 Remove 1 Eliminated
ITALY Supp 10 Unit 9 Build 1
RUSSIA Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
TURKEY Supp 1 Unit 1 /
Kind regards
D[Reply] |
| Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 R... - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
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said the turkey before Christmas...
Hey - don't drag me into this!
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| dc116 Vogon's Revenge - Turk EGS - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
I am so glad this game is over. I came into this game with high hopes for a thrilling game as I took over a Turkey with around 7 dots, and was up against some great players. Little did I know that 10 years would play out, I would end up on approximately the same 7 dots, and the game called a draw.
It started off ok, there was some discussion going on, but ultimately it boiled down very quickly to England and Russia that wouldn’t consider anything other than their own alliance. Therefore I have to say there wasn’t too much Diplomacy in this one. Italy and I came to the understanding that if we flinched at all, we’d simply be overrun faster, and Austria eventually bought in too, that ER were playing everyone else, and so it became the 3 small powers defending, waiting, losing ground bit by bit.
I think had Italy and Austria committed to a trio sooner, while Germany was still alive, we could have gotten a jump on ER and done something w the game. But once Mikael / Germany was out, we had no more forces behind enemy lines and it was over -- the next 5 years were all kind of a drag.
Therefore I’m happy the draw passed, cuz I wasn’t looking forward to another 5 years of slow grinding moves, nothing changing on the Russian front, and England gaining slowly in the west. I’m also happy it passed, cuz the only alternative was that England or Russia would eventually make a solo move, but it would have taken 10 years to get to a point where they had 15-16 ish each.
So good game all, especially to England and Russia for a well deserved draw, I’m happy w the survival – cant complain for enduring such an onslaught. As for the Trout, another flawless game GM’d as usual. See you all next time,
-mike
From: Jason K [mailto:githraine(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:36 AM
To: Former Trout; dc116
Cc: Doug Colex; Jason K; Jorge Saralegui; Michael Sims; Neil Smark; Steve Lytton
Subject: Re: DC116 Vogon's Revenge - Fall 1913 - Stacked Crooked
I just wanted to thank all for a great (if long) game.
But especially to my partner Jorge, for sticking with me for a very strong end, to Mike, who stepped into a weak turkish position and held the line far longer then we could have expected (and teaching me a few things along the way) and Doug, who stuck out an impossible position for longer then I can credit, and playing the sides off to perfection to keep his micro-empire alive. No one earned a survivor credit more.
And I would like to note, the turning point, from my perspective was in the first years of the game when I did not take a vulnerable St Petes when Russia would have fallen to Austria and Turkey, forming the alliance that lasted the entire game.
Good Game everyone, see you all on the next board!
Jason[Reply] |
| DC127 - a question of disbands - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Dear Players,
I have chosen the redscape house rules as my model for dealing with NBRs. I received a question regarding disbands.
I put the following to some more experienced GMs than I:
"Regarding disbands in the event of NBR or Civil Disorder, The redscape house rules state that units should be disbanded in the following order:
A. Unit furthest from the Power's home country, non-supply center
B. Unit in the Power's home country, non-supply center
C. Unit in a supply center furthest from the Power's home country
D. Unit in the Power's home supply center
My case is I have 3 French units in civil disorder and 1 supply centre left unoccupied. I have 1 unit in category A and 2 in category B - both Armies Is there a protocol for which of the armies should be disbanded? or do I just flip a coin?"
and I was almost immediately equipped with the following:
"When a tie exists, you are supposed to then go alphabetical
one disbands, the first alphabetical gets removed first
the same for builds when using default builds, A gets built before B"
Therefore - now that France is in Civil Disorder, you can safely assume that the 2 disbands will be F Lyo and A Bur.
Hope that this clears things up
Kind regards
D[Reply] |
| dc119 S09 Results...Beginning of the End? - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
England supports Turkey to Take Mar?
Wonder if the PM is Aware That Makes 18?
Weird Game...Who Knows What the Fall Holds.
Has the Yellow Plague Won?
Retreats Needed by Thursday the 29th, 5pm CST. The maps will come out tonight [somehow didn't attach them in saving the draft] and will update the site tonight as well.
Both retreats are German. For purposes of the maps, I selected where they retreated BUT they have options so Peter can choose other options if desired. The retreats are:
A Mar - I selected Gas
F ENG - I selected Bel
Please tell me if you wish other retreats.
NOTE: The ever-important Fall deadline is next Monday, March 3rd at 5pm CST.
Persistent Turtle (Spring 1909)
ENGLAND (Nick Buscaglia)
F(MAO) - IRI (FAILED); F(Bre) s F(Lon) - ENG; F(Lon) - ENG; F(Spa) sc s TURKISH A(Pie) - Mar; F(NTH) Stands; F(SKA) s F(NTH); F(StP) nc - Nwy (FAILED)
GERMANY (Peter Van Asten)
A(Den) - Swe; F(Hol) - NTH (FAILED); F(Nwy) s F(Hol) - NTH (CUT); A(Boh) s A(Mun) - Tyr (CUT); A(Bur) s A(Mar); A(Mar) Stands (DISLODGED TO Gas); A(Mun) - Tyr (FAILED); A(Pru) - War (FAILED); A(Sil) s A(Pru) - War (CUT); F(ENG) - IRI (FAILED, DISLODGED TO Bel)
TURKEY (Eric Mao)
F(Nap) - TYS; F(ION) - Tun; F(AEG) - ION; F(Smy) - AEG; A(Ank) - Sev; F(BLA) c A(Ank) - Sev; F(Rom) Stands; F(ADS) Stands; A(Pie) - Mar; F(GoL) s A(Pie) - Mar; A(Vie) - Boh (FAILED); A(Gal) - Sil (FAILED); A(War) s A(Gal) - Sil (CUT); A(Bud) - Rum; A(Con) - Bul; A(Mos) - Lvn; A(Tyr) s A(Vie) - Boh (CUT)
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| dc133 (Heir) s08 results! - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
One retreat, Turk A Ser can only go to Alb so I’ll send it there and we move on to Fall 08, due Monday March 3, 2pm Pacific!
There is a 3-way EGI draw proposed, with T getting a survival – vote yes/no with your fall orders!
England:
F Belgium - Picardy
F Brest - Gascony
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A Livonia - Moscow (*Fails*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F Portugal
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
F North Sea - English Channel
F Norway - North Sea
F Portugal Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Sevastopol - Armenia (*Fails*)
Germany:
F Baltic Sea Hold
A Berlin - Prussia
A Burgundy Hold
A Galicia Supports A Rumania
F Holland Hold
A Marseilles Hold
A Munich Hold
A Rumania Supports A Budapest - Serbia (*Void*)
A Silesia - Warsaw
A Ukraine Supports A Rumania
Italy:
A Budapest Supports A Trieste - Serbia
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea (*Bounce*)
A Piedmont Hold
F Spain(sc) Supports F Western Mediterranean
A Trieste - Serbia
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
A Vienna Supports A Budapest
F Western Mediterranean Supports F Spain(sc)
Turkey:
A Armenia Hold
F Bulgaria(ec) - Black Sea
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Greece Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria
A Serbia Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria (*Dislodged*)
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| Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 R... - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Hitting the nail on the head...
Any way you do the math, if the regional powers hope to fight colonialism, they need to band together and throw the bums out. Does that mean they have to overlook their own petty regional squabbles? Absolutely.
I, Russia, am willing to be part of that "Absolutely"
----- Original Message ----
From: "Morley, Ted" <Ted.Morley(at)SEN.CA.GOV>
To: Rudi van Hal <rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl>; Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>; Cat23 1200 List <Cat23-1200(at)yahoogroups.com>; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: Bret Pollack <bret_pollack(at)hotmail.com>; David E Watson <dipknight(at)comcast.net>; Jerry Todd <sgttodd(at)mainecav.org>; Jim Atkins <savwa4(at)comcast.net>; Lee Taylor <leewarrentaylor(at)yahoo.co.uk>; Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com>; Randolph <ruffhaus8(at)aol.com>; Rob Ackerley <rob_ackerley(at)yahoo.ca>; Rob Bristol <rBristol(at)cargojet.com>; Rob Bristol <rbristol(at)cogeco.ca>; Rupert Armstrong <writetorupert(at)gmail.com>; Steve Lytton <stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>; Suzanne Castagne <sucastag(at)wanadoo.fr>; Ted Morley <ee_morley(at)hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:44:45 AM
Subject: RE: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
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Hmmm. I may be a little slow but I think we've seen this end game before. What is it that they say about those who don't remember their history?
I do not think it is overstating to say that the complete domination of 40% of the board by two powers with absolutely no credible challengers is the real issue here and I think it is pretty clear what the result will be. There are only two geopolitical players left on the board and a bunch of regional players with virtually no ability to act globally.
Seems to me that rather than cold war rhetoric as peddled by Rudi, what we should really be getting back to is a study of imperialism. Any study of same would conclude that despite controlling less than 30-40% of the globe, the European empires were able to set the agenda for the world for several centuries AND that the inheritor of that mantle, the USA still, two centuries later is still in command of a large swath of the globe despite having central command of less than 10%.
Any way you do the math, if the regional powers hope to fight colonialism, they need to band together and throw the bums out. Does that mean they have to overlook their own petty regional squabbles? Absolutely.
TM
Edward Morley
Transportation Consultant
Senate Republican Office of Policy
1020 N Street #248
Sacramento, CA 95814
(916) 651-1773
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-----Original Message-----
From: Rudi van Hal [mailto:rvhgames(at)xs4all.nl]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:39 PM
To: 'Former Trout'; 'Cat23 1200 List'; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: 'Bret Pollack'; 'David E Watson'; 'Jerry Todd'; 'Jim Atkins'; 'Lee Taylor'; 'Mike Hoffman'; 'Randolph'; 'Rob Ackerley'; 'Rob Bristol'; 'Rob Bristol'; 'Rudi Van Hal'; 'Rupert Armstrong'; 'Steve Lytton'; 'Suzanne Castagne'; 'Ted Morley'; Morley, Ted
Subject: RE: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
Rhetoric: the study of writing or speaking as a means of communication or persuasion
Russia calls for a holy crusade against the USA/Dutch world domination. It is no use fighting rhetoric with rhetoric, so let’s focus on the facts instead.
[list=1:522929ea86] [*:522929ea86]USA and Holland combine for 60 centers. Even with some gains this year, they will below 40% of the total of 175 centers. World Domination is accomplished these days by controlling less than half the world it seems. [*:522929ea86]Which powers have a significant border with the USA (a) and Holland (b) and neither (c) [list=1:522929ea86] [*:522929ea86]Powers which could fight the USA [/list :522929ea86][/list:522929ea86]
i. Britain (8 centers)
ii. Brazil (17 centers)
iii. France (23 centers)
iv. Japan (11 centers) [list=1:522929ea86] [list=1:522929ea86] [*:522929ea86]Powers which could fight Holland [/list:522929ea86][/list:522929ea86]
i. China (13 centers)
ii. France (23 centers)
iii. Japan (11 centers) [list=1:522929ea86] [list=1:522929ea86] [*:522929ea86]Powers with no significant border with either Holland or the USA [/list:522929ea86][/list:522929ea86]
i. Austria (19 centers)
ii. Russia (20 centers)
So Russia calls upon its neighbours to prevent the USA/Holland World Domination without contributing to it (due to lack of opportunities).
Now let’s look at the powers that can fight the Gruesome Twosome:
Britain:
Britain is already at war with the USA and can’t attack Holland (been there, done that I guess).
Full commitment against the USA would leave Scandinavia vulnerable. Who could benefit from this? ...... Russia !
Brazil:
Brazil is already at war with the USA and has virtually no border with Holland . Not much would change for Brazil
China:
China can turn on Holland but will have to pull units from his northern borders to do so. This would leave his home centers vulnerable. Who could benefit? …… Russia !
France:
France has a significant border with the USA and a smaller one with Holland . In order to follow Russia ’s suggestions, France has to commit all its resources to fight the USA and Holland on 2 fronts.
This would put the European centers at risk. Who could benefit from that? ….. Austria
Japan:
Wait a sec, Wasn’t Japan until recently not ALL OUT committed against Holland ? What happened? Does anyone recall? I do know that Russia currently holds several centers that were until recently controlled by Japan .
So a summary of facts:
n Russia calls for an all out fight against powers that control less than 40% of the world.
n Russia and Austria can’t participate in that fight
n Russia and Austria are the powers in the position to benefit from this crusade
I’m not calling upon anyone to do anything. I’m just presenting facts and leave it to people to draw their conclusions.
On behalf of His Royal Majesty King William III
Rudi
First Secretary
From: Former Trout [mailto:former.trout(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 04:56
To: Cat23 1200 List; DC110(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: Bret Pollack; David E Watson; Jerry Todd; Jim Atkins; Lee Taylor; Mike Hoffman; Randolph; Rob Ackerley; Rob Bristol; Rob Bristol; Rudi Van Hal; Rupert Armstrong; Steve Lytton; Suzanne Castagne; Ted Morley; Ted Morley
Subject: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
Cast this game to the turf. It's over.
Holland has complete and utter control of the Indian Ocean . Gaining control in Africa and the Mideast . And being given gifts in the south Pacific by Japan . The powers that could prevent his advance have chose instead to bicker and stab amongst themselves turning a blind eye to Hollands unchecked growth.
The USA has exploded recently. He currently has NO significant threat to him. No vulnerable front and it is only a mater of time before he cracks Brazil and England . And he will continue to pick up gains as Japan collapses.
Who will turn and stop them? Who will stop bickering and stabbing and make a global concerted effort to stop them? Anyone? It would take all of the lesser powers - by name: Austria , England , France , China , Russia , Brazil and Japan - just to start to counter their strong holds. Anyone?
I am guilty of the bickering and stabbing myself. But I have given every effort imaginable to join those forces against Holland and USA . No real willing partners. Not even in certain area's where it would seem beneficial. I am tired. Tired of trying to band forces together to fight the super powers. Tired of neighbors, who should be allies, choosing to squabble over scraps while H and U continue to grow UNCHECKED!
Russia is now fully committed to repaying China . Not because of his stab, but because since we started talking, he has continued to turn a blind eye to Holland and disregarding the fact that he COULD make a difference. Every unit I have will now be thrown in that direction. If people, namely Austria choose to gobble up my centers as I redirect them then my point to this press will only be amplified. If France continues to be the patsy to these two powers, then I say hike that skirt up higher and bite the pillow a little harder. Soon they will swallow you up as well.
End this now, so I don't have to watch 7 players watch as their lack of awareness and desire to counter 2 players bites them in the ass.
USA and Holland - well done. Not sure how you got to that point before I joined, but what ever spell you cast over the rest of us deserves my applaud.
Dave I am coming for you...
Russia .
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| DC127 - Fall & Autumn 08 adjudicated - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Argggghhhhh, sorry about that guys I feel a bit foolish - I was too busy trying to fix the problem which caused my previous NMR and forgot to send in moves for this turn (not that it will make much difference).
Well, I wish you all good luck, and I will be watching intently to see who comes out on top from hereon.
James
On 27/02/2008, Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com ([email]douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com[/email])> wrote: Dear players,
Another NMR from France, so the power goes into Civil Disorder - sorry James, I am sure you will not be too upset Thanks to the rest of you for getting orders in on time - they were as follows:
FALL 08
AUSTRIA
A Mun Hold
A Ber S A Mun
A Boh S A Mun
A Trl - Ven
F Tri S A Trl - Ven
A Ser S F Tri
F Bul (sc) - Gre
A Sev - Arm
A Lvn - StP
A Mos S A Lvn - StP
ENGLAND
f swe hold
f kie support f hol
f eng-bre
f bar support russian army stp
f hol support f kie
f pic support f bel
f north sea-heligoland blight
f bel hold
FRANCE
NMR
GERMANY
A Ruhr - Kiel
ITALY
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Gascony
F Portugal - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles
A Marseilles Supports F Spain(sc)
A Venice Hold
F Adriatic Sea Supports A Venice
F Albania - Greece
F Ionian Sea - Aegean Sea
A Smyrna Hold
RUSSIA
a st pets-lvn
f bot-supports-a-st pts-lvn
Thanks to Cory for sticking it out to the end. And so we say goodbye to Germany. No disrespect at all to our ex-Kaiser, but I think it is most indicative of Turkey's superior defensive position that even a power in civil disorder has outlived an active central one. Good game Cory, better luck next time.
I'm still having a couple of issues with Realpolitik on my mac. It is making it impossible for me to enter Hold orders for only some territories. Please check your maps carefully for errors. No retreats - I THINK - so attached are your Fall orders and Autumn maps. Winter adjustments are due to me no later than Friday 3pm GMT and are as follows:
WINTER 08
AUSTRIA Supp 11 Unit 10 Build 1
ENGLAND Supp 10 Unit 8 Build 2
FRANCE Supp 1 Unit 3 Remove 2 Civil Disorder - default disbands will be used
GERMANY Supp 0 Unit 1 Remove 1 Eliminated
ITALY Supp 10 Unit 9 Build 1
RUSSIA Supp 1 Unit 2 Remove 1
TURKEY Supp 1 Unit 1 /
Kind regards
D
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| dc116 Vogon's Revenge - Turk EGS - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Hi All
I’d like to chip in and say thanks for the game, my first in something like 17 years I think. Not my last that is for sure. It took me awhile to get used to the usual diplomacy promises and stabs but that all part of the game. I’ve still got a lot to relearn and learn so once again thanks for the game. I’d also like to give a special thanks to Trout as without him this game would have happened. If you could get back to me trout and tell me how the mapping system works for the ordering I’d be tempted to give GMing a go.
Regards Neil
From: Michael Sims [mailto:mike(at)southwall.com]
Sent: Thursday, 28 February 2008 2:08 AM
To: Jason K; Former Trout; dc116
Cc: Doug Colex; Jorge Saralegui; Neil Smark; Steve Lytton; Mikael Johansson
Subject: dc116 Vogon's Revenge - Turk EGS
I am so glad this game is over. I came into this game with high hopes for a thrilling game as I took over a Turkey with around 7 dots, and was up against some great players. Little did I know that 10 years would play out, I would end up on approximately the same 7 dots, and the game called a draw.
It started off ok, there was some discussion going on, but ultimately it boiled down very quickly to England and Russia that wouldn’t consider anything other than their own alliance. Therefore I have to say there wasn’t too much Diplomacy in this one. Italy and I came to the understanding that if we flinched at all, we’d simply be overrun faster, and Austria eventually bought in too, that ER were playing everyone else, and so it became the 3 small powers defending, waiting, losing ground bit by bit.
I think had Italy and Austria committed to a trio sooner, while Germany was still alive, we could have gotten a jump on ER and done something w the game. But once Mikael / Germany was out, we had no more forces behind enemy lines and it was over -- the next 5 years were all kind of a drag.
Therefore I’m happy the draw passed, cuz I wasn’t looking forward to another 5 years of slow grinding moves, nothing changing on the Russian front, and England gaining slowly in the west. I’m also happy it passed, cuz the only alternative was that England or Russia would eventually make a solo move, but it would have taken 10 years to get to a point where they had 15-16 ish each.
So good game all, especially to England and Russia for a well deserved draw, I’m happy w the survival – cant complain for enduring such an onslaught. As for the Trout, another flawless game GM’d as usual. See you all next time,
-mike
From: Jason K [mailto:githraine(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 7:36 AM
To: Former Trout; dc116
Cc: Doug Colex; Jason K; Jorge Saralegui; Michael Sims; Neil Smark; Steve Lytton
Subject: Re: DC116 Vogon's Revenge - Fall 1913 - Stacked Crooked
I just wanted to thank all for a great (if long) game.
But especially to my partner Jorge, for sticking with me for a very strong end, to Mike, who stepped into a weak turkish position and held the line far longer then we could have expected (and teaching me a few things along the way) and Doug, who stuck out an impossible position for longer then I can credit, and playing the sides off to perfection to keep his micro-empire alive. No one earned a survivor credit more.
And I would like to note, the turning point, from my perspective was in the first years of the game when I did not take a vulnerable St Petes when Russia would have fallen to Austria and Turkey, forming the alliance that lasted the entire game.
Good Game everyone, see you all on the next board!
Jason[Reply] |
| dc 145 French repament needed - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
France in our game has had to resign. The game is fairly early with lots of play left. Anyone interested in taking on this position please contact me at dawench2(at)yahoo.com
Current Map:
http://home.comcast.net/~dawench/14503Fall.gif
Retreats Due:
French A Burgundy can retreat to Marseilles or Paris or OTB.
French F English Channel can retreat to Mid-Atlantic Ocean or Irish Sea or Brest or OTB.
Builds Due:
France: 5 / 5 Build 0 (5/ 3 Build 2 or 5/ 4 Build 1 dependent on Retreats)
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My mother taught me not to lie...... so I learned to tell the truth very "carefully".
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| DC140 "Never Ending Story" 22-hour remin... - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Don't forget, fall 1904 orders are due in 22 hours, at 3pm Central (US). I am missing orders from at least one player, so please send them in!
Also, I want to extend well-wishes to our departed Archduke Andy, who has encountered a real-life situation that has taken him away from Diplomacy for the time being.
Cory
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| dc157 Fall 1901 - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Greetings to All.
Builds due Friday 29 FEB 2008 by 6pm. EST.!!!!
As the warm days of summer turn to the cool crisp days of autumn we find that all of the great powers of Europe have geared up their industry and are preparing for war. The fields of Belgium host a few skirmishes as French and German forces collide. The Sevastopol fortress proves to tough for the Turkish forces to crack....so far. All in all, however, all sides made some gains with Austria gaining the most with a surprising three!
Austria: build 3
F Albania - Greece
A Galicia - Rumania
A Serbia Supports F Albania - Greece
England: build 1
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Norway
F Norwegian Sea Supports A Yorkshire - Norway
A Yorkshire - Norway
France: build 2
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Bounce*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Spain Hold
Germany: build 2
F Denmark Hold
A Kiel - Holland
A Ruhr - Belgium (*Bounce*)
Italy: build 1
A Apulia - Tunis
F Ionian Sea Convoys A Apulia - Tunis
A Venice Hold
Russia: build 1
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
F Sevastopol Supports A Galicia - Rumania (*Cut*)
A St Petersburg Hold
A Ukraine Hold
Turkey: build 1
F Ankara - Black Sea
A Armenia - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Bulgaria Hold
For those of you new to this form of Diplomacy, send your builds basically as you would on paper. Army or Fleet and where it is built for each build. Make sure to note which coast if needed (I don't think this will apply this turn).[Reply] |
| DC138 - Spring 05 Extension - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Hiya folks,
Had an extension request today that I unfortunately did not have the time to broadcast. Spring 05 order deadline will be revised for 48 hours later, on Friday, February 29th (11:59 PM GMT).
Cheers all,
Trout[Reply] |
| dc130 ~ Imperial1840 - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
I'm extending the deadline to tomorrow (28th) at 2359 GMT to allow two
players to get moves in.
My web host has been snafuing the system and my emails been sketchy today[Reply] |
| DC124 - Reminder - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Orders are due tomorrow by 9pm pacific time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC129 - Missing Spring 07 Orders - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Heya gang,
Unfortunately, we're missing two sets of orders for Spring 1907. The players in question have been notified in a seperate email. We'll delay for the evening in hopes that the stray order sets will find their way in..
Cheers,
Trout[Reply] |
| 122 tomorrow (Thu!) - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Don’t forget! Else thou shalt learn quickly the Ancient Art of having no moves received!
-mike[Reply] |
| DC153 Spring 1904 Results - test_gm (Sep 13, 2007, 12:00 am) |
Italy storms all of Iberia, Germany moves to the last unclaimed neutral,
England finds out that he can't dislodge himself, the Balkans are still
a standoff, and, most importantly, it all happens without the need for
an extension (although a couple of you cut it pretty damn close)!
Also, we have our first retreat, as the lone English army, with the help
of the Germans, forces the troops of the Czar to fleet the white
vastness of Moscow, and this time they can't burn up the supplies
first! Retreat options listed below the adj, and the retreat is due no
later than 9 pm eastern on Friday (Feb. 29) at 9 pm eastern. However, I
will process the retreat and set the new deadline as soon as I receive it.
Matt
Adjudication:
Turkey:
Aeg - Gre: Bounce with Gre;
Smy - Ion: Illegal;
Bul H: OK
Bla - Rum: Bounce with Rum;
Russia:
Rum S Ser - Bul: Cut by Bla;
Mos H: Dislodged by StP 2:1;
Sev H: OK
Italy:
MAt - Por: OK
GoL - Spa: OK
Wes S GoL - Spa: OK
Mar S GoL - Spa: OK
Pie S Mar H: OK
Germany:
Bel S Kie - Hol: OK
Kie - Hol: OK
Ber - Kie: OK
Den S Ber - Kie: OK
Mun S Ber - Kie: OK
War S StP - Mos: OK
France:
Bre - Pic: Bounce with Eng;
Gas - Par: OK
Spa - Gas: OK
Ruh - Hol: Defeated by Kie 2:1;
England:
Swe - Nwy: OK
StP - Mos: OK
Iri S Nth - Eng: OK
Eng - Pic: Bounce with Bre;
Nth - Eng: Bounce with Eng;
Liv - NAt: OK
Austria:
Bud S Rum H: OK
Ser - Bul: Bounce with Bul;
Alb - Ser: Bounce with Ser;
Gre S Ser - Bul: Cut by Aeg;
Ion S Gre H: OK
Russia may retreat army in Mos to: Ukr, Lvn
Map Attached[Reply] |
