| DC261 - Spring 1905 Reminder - aramis604 (Sep 16, 2009, 2:10 pm) |
Orders are due in just under 9 hours!
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Winter 1904 Results - aramis604 (Sep 09, 2009, 1:20 pm) |
Winter results are in!
Austria:
Build A Budapest
Build A Vienna
Build
England:
Build F Edinburgh
Build F London
Germany:
Build A Berlin
Russia:
Remove F Skagerrak
Remove A Ukraine
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Onward to 1905!
Spring 1905 orders are due Wednesday, September 16th by 9pm Pacific time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Reminder - aramis604 (Sep 08, 2009, 4:53 pm) |
Winter orders are due tonight in about 6 hours.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Autumn 1904 Results - aramis604 (Sep 04, 2009, 12:55 pm) |
France:
F English Channel - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Russia:
F Rumania - Black Sea
------------------------
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 8 Unit 5 Build 3
England: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2
France: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Russia: Supp 2 Unit 4 Remove 2
Turkey: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Winter 1904 is due by Tuesday, September 8th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1904 Results - aramis604 (Sep 02, 2009, 1:45 pm) |
Ok, all orders are in from everyone and we are ready to see what the fall season is bringing us. I must say... quite the busy season.
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Austria:
A Budapest - Rumania
A Bulgaria Supports A Budapest - Rumania
F Constantinople Supports A Budapest - Rumania (*Fails*)
A Galicia Supports A Budapest - Rumania
A Silesia - Warsaw
England:
F Barents Sea - Norwegian Sea
A Holland - Belgium
F London - English Channel
A St Petersburg - Norway (*Bounce*)
France:
F Belgium Supports F English Channel (*Disbanded*)
F English Channel Supports F Belgium (*Dislodged*)
A Gascony - Burgundy
A Marseilles Supports A Gascony - Burgundy
A Paris Supports A Gascony - Burgundy
F Picardy Supports F Belgium (*Cut*)
Germany:
A Burgundy - Picardy (*Disbanded*)
F Denmark - Skagerrak (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea Supports F London - English Channel
A Ruhr Supports A Holland - Belgium
A Sweden - Norway (*Bounce*)
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Constantinople
F Greece Supports A Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Eastern Mediterranean
A Syria Supports A Armenia - Smyrna
A Tyrolia - Piedmont
Russia:
A Armenia - Smyrna
F Rumania Hold (*Dislodged*)
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Fails*)
A Ukraine Supports F Rumania
Turkey:
F Ankara Supports A Smyrna - Constantinople
F Black Sea - Sevastopol
A Smyrna - Constantinople (*Disbanded*)
-------------------------
Autumn 1904
Multiple retreats needed.
* French F English Channel can retreat to Mid-Atlantic Ocean or Irish Sea or Wales or Brest.
* Russian F Rumania can retreat to Black Sea.
* Turkish A Smyrna has no retreats, disbanded.
* French F Belgium has no retreats, disbanded.
* German A Burgundy has no retreats, disbanded.
As always OTB is an option as well.
Please have Autumn orders in by Thursday September 3rd by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Upedat - aramis604 (Sep 02, 2009, 12:07 am) |
Hey all,
I know I haven't sent anything out on the game in a few days. I had some family issues come up over the weekend and really haven't been near my computer for a few days now.
At a brief glance I believe that I have all the orders needed, and I will adjudicate in the tomorrow. Again, sorry for the delay.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1904 Reminder - aramis604 (Aug 28, 2009, 1:35 am) |
The deadline is tomorrow at 9pm pacific time.
Please be aware that there is a likely chance that the deadline will be extended due to one of our players having to make some unexpected travel. I will let you know as soon as I know myself.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Summer 1904 Results - aramis604 (Aug 22, 2009, 2:42 am) |
Results are in. Sorry for the delay.
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Turkey:
F Constantinople - Ankara
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Fall 1904 will be due on Friday, August 28th by 9pm Pacific Time.[Reply] |
| DC261 - Spring 1904 Results - aramis604 (Aug 19, 2009, 1:32 pm) |
Here are the results for Spring 1904. As always please make sure I didn't misread or misenter one of your orders.
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One retreat need.
Turkish F Constantinople can retreat to Ankara.
Please have this to me by tomorrow August 20th by 9pm pacific time.
-------------------------
Austria:
A Bohemia - Galicia
F Bulgaria(sc) - Constantinople
A Serbia - Bulgaria
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia - Galicia
A Vienna - Budapest
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
F London Supports F North Sea
A Norway - St Petersburg
A Yorkshire - Holland
France:
F Belgium Supports F Skagerrak - North Sea
A Brest - Gascony
F English Channel Supports F Skagerrak - North Sea
A Marseilles - Burgundy (*Fails*)
A Paris Supports A Marseilles - Burgundy
F Picardy Supports F Belgium
Germany:
A Burgundy Supports A Munich (*Cut*)
F Denmark Supports F North Sea
A Munich Supports A Burgundy
F North Sea Convoys A Yorkshire - Holland
A Ruhr Supports A Burgundy
A Sweden Hold
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Bulgaria(sc) - Constantinople
F Greece Supports A Serbia - Bulgaria
F Naples - Ionian Sea
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich (*Void*)
Russia:
F Rumania - Black Sea (*Fails*)
A Sevastopol - Armenia
F Skagerrak - North Sea (*Fails*)
F St Petersburg(nc) Hold (*Disbanded*)
A Warsaw - Ukraine
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports F Constantinople (*Cut*)
F Constantinople Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Smyrna Hold[Reply] |
| DC261 - Spring 1904 Reminder - aramis604 (Aug 18, 2009, 12:53 pm) |
Orders are due tonight by 9pm Pacific Time. That's about 10 hours away.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Winter 1903 Results - aramis604 (Aug 12, 2009, 12:35 am) |
Here are the Winter results.
Austria:
Build A Vienna
France:
Build A Brest
Germany:
Remove A Berlin
Italy:
Build F Naples
******************
Spring 1904 is due on Tuesday, August 18th by 9pm Pacific Time.[Reply] |
| DC261 - Winter 1903 Reminder - aramis604 (Aug 11, 2009, 1:20 am) |
FYI. Orders are due tomorrow.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results - aramis604 (Aug 08, 2009, 2:07 pm) |
It seems that I was mistaken in my interpretation of how a fleet can support another unit moving into a multi-coast province.
The effect of this is that the ordered support from RUM is valid. So the first results email was accurate. If there is any further confusion please let me know and I will explain in greater detail why the order is valid.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
We will keep the same deadline of Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:17:53 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results - JimR (Aug 08, 2009, 6:19 am) |
Here is some supporting data for Jorge’s link,
http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf
Page 7 – “How to Support” paragraph 2:
A Fleet that can move to a province with two separate coasts (a Fleet in the Mid-Atlantic, for example) can support another Army or Fleet into that province(in this case Spain) without regard to separate coastlines.
Jim R.
From: Jorge Saralegui [mailto:jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:01 AM
To: Josh E.
Cc: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Ben Leapman; Benjamin Hester; Mark Duffield; Benjamin Hester; Ben Leapman; Jim Rossiter; Eric Shum; David Zilkha; Mike Sims
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
I assume the issue is whether Russia's support is valid because his fleet is on the "wrong" coast. The answer is Yes: the rules restrict movement, but say nothing about restricting support; therefore, the basic "unrestricted" rule applies. This is not an ambiguity. According to the rules, a fleet occupies the entire province - not just one coast. As a result, support against it can come from anywhere adjacent.
Here Is Play Diplomacy Online on the same issue:
"3 provinces on the board generate common questions regarding supports with fleets, St Petersburg (STP), Spain (SPA), and Bulgaria (BUL). Those provinces have coasts, STP nc and STP sc, SPA nc and SPA sc, and BUL ec and BUL sc, with nc and sc and ec standing for North, South or East coasts respectivly. If your fleet unit can reach any coast of that province (1, or the other, or both), it can both SUPPORT a MOVE into the province in its entirety, and SUPPORT a unit in that province to HOLD against another unit's order to MOVE there. SUPPORT into a province, either to HOLD there or to MOVE there are not specific to a Coast. This means my fleet in Barents Sea, near STP nc, can support the MOVE of a fleet in Livonia into STP sc (the only coast it can reach), and the order is valid. Please note, this can be confusing to new players."
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4269
Jorge
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results - txurce (Aug 08, 2009, 6:01 am) |
I assume the issue is whether Russia's support is valid because his fleet is on the "wrong" coast. The answer is Yes: the rules restrict movement, but say nothing about restricting support; therefore, the basic "unrestricted" rule applies. This is not an ambiguity. According to the rules, a fleet occupies the entire province - not just one coast. As a result, support against it can come from anywhere adjacent.
Here Is Play Diplomacy Online on the same issue:
"3 provinces on the board generate common questions regarding supports with fleets, St Petersburg (STP), Spain (SPA), and Bulgaria (BUL). Those provinces have coasts, STP nc and STP sc, SPA nc and SPA sc, and BUL ec and BUL sc, with nc and sc and ec standing for North, South or East coasts respectivly. If your fleet unit can reach any coast of that province (1, or the other, or both), it can both SUPPORT a MOVE into the province in its entirety, and SUPPORT a unit in that province to HOLD against another unit's order to MOVE there. SUPPORT into a province, either to HOLD there or to MOVE there are not specific to a Coast. This means my fleet in Barents Sea, near STP nc, can support the MOVE of a fleet in Livonia into STP sc (the only coast it can reach), and the order is valid. Please note, this can be confusing to new players."
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4269
Jorge
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh
[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results - aramis604 (Aug 08, 2009, 12:18 am) |
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results - aramis604 (Aug 07, 2009, 11:22 pm) |
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results - benjamin.hester at us.... (Aug 07, 2009, 9:09 pm) |
As much as I hate to confess this, isn't Russian F Rum S F Gre - Bul SC an invalid support, and therefore Turkey's unit in Bulgaria survives? Unless you're adjudicating that it is dislodged because the unit in Bulgaria was an NMR?
B.
Benjamin T. Hester
CPT, QM
300th Sustainment Brigade
SPO Plans Supply and Services
From: Josh E. [aramis604(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:58
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Hester, Benjamin T CPT RES USAR USARC; Ben Leapman; Mark Duffield; Benjamin Hester; Ben Leapman; Jim Rossiter; Jorge Saralegui; Eric Shum; David Zilkha
Cc: Mike Sims
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results - aramis604 (Aug 07, 2009, 12:58 pm) |
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results (dc261) benjamin.hester at us.... Aug 07, 09:09 pm |
As much as I hate to confess this, isn't Russian F Rum S F Gre - Bul SC an invalid support, and therefore Turkey's unit in Bulgaria survives? Unless you're adjudicating that it is dislodged because the unit in Bulgaria was an NMR?
B.
Benjamin T. Hester
CPT, QM
300th Sustainment Brigade
SPO Plans Supply and Services
From: Josh E. [aramis604(at)yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 12:58
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Hester, Benjamin T CPT RES USAR USARC; Ben Leapman; Mark Duffield; Benjamin Hester; Ben Leapman; Jim Rossiter; Jorge Saralegui; Eric Shum; David Zilkha
Cc: Mike Sims
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results (dc261) aramis604 Aug 07, 11:22 pm |
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results (dc261) aramis604 Aug 08, 12:18 am |
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results (dc261) txurce Aug 08, 06:01 am |
I assume the issue is whether Russia's support is valid because his fleet is on the "wrong" coast. The answer is Yes: the rules restrict movement, but say nothing about restricting support; therefore, the basic "unrestricted" rule applies. This is not an ambiguity. According to the rules, a fleet occupies the entire province - not just one coast. As a result, support against it can come from anywhere adjacent.
Here Is Play Diplomacy Online on the same issue:
"3 provinces on the board generate common questions regarding supports with fleets, St Petersburg (STP), Spain (SPA), and Bulgaria (BUL). Those provinces have coasts, STP nc and STP sc, SPA nc and SPA sc, and BUL ec and BUL sc, with nc and sc and ec standing for North, South or East coasts respectivly. If your fleet unit can reach any coast of that province (1, or the other, or both), it can both SUPPORT a MOVE into the province in its entirety, and SUPPORT a unit in that province to HOLD against another unit's order to MOVE there. SUPPORT into a province, either to HOLD there or to MOVE there are not specific to a Coast. This means my fleet in Barents Sea, near STP nc, can support the MOVE of a fleet in Livonia into STP sc (the only coast it can reach), and the order is valid. Please note, this can be confusing to new players."
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4269
Jorge
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh
|
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results (dc261) JimR Aug 08, 06:19 am |
Here is some supporting data for Jorge’s link,
http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf
Page 7 – “How to Support” paragraph 2:
A Fleet that can move to a province with two separate coasts (a Fleet in the Mid-Atlantic, for example) can support another Army or Fleet into that province(in this case Spain) without regard to separate coastlines.
Jim R.
From: Jorge Saralegui [mailto:jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:01 AM
To: Josh E.
Cc: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Ben Leapman; Benjamin Hester; Mark Duffield; Benjamin Hester; Ben Leapman; Jim Rossiter; Eric Shum; David Zilkha; Mike Sims
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
I assume the issue is whether Russia's support is valid because his fleet is on the "wrong" coast. The answer is Yes: the rules restrict movement, but say nothing about restricting support; therefore, the basic "unrestricted" rule applies. This is not an ambiguity. According to the rules, a fleet occupies the entire province - not just one coast. As a result, support against it can come from anywhere adjacent.
Here Is Play Diplomacy Online on the same issue:
"3 provinces on the board generate common questions regarding supports with fleets, St Petersburg (STP), Spain (SPA), and Bulgaria (BUL). Those provinces have coasts, STP nc and STP sc, SPA nc and SPA sc, and BUL ec and BUL sc, with nc and sc and ec standing for North, South or East coasts respectivly. If your fleet unit can reach any coast of that province (1, or the other, or both), it can both SUPPORT a MOVE into the province in its entirety, and SUPPORT a unit in that province to HOLD against another unit's order to MOVE there. SUPPORT into a province, either to HOLD there or to MOVE there are not specific to a Coast. This means my fleet in Barents Sea, near STP nc, can support the MOVE of a fleet in Livonia into STP sc (the only coast it can reach), and the order is valid. Please note, this can be confusing to new players."
http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4269
Jorge
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Results (dc261) aramis604 Aug 08, 02:07 pm |
It seems that I was mistaken in my interpretation of how a fleet can support another unit moving into a multi-coast province.
The effect of this is that the ordered support from RUM is valid. So the first results email was accurate. If there is any further confusion please let me know and I will explain in greater detail why the order is valid.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
We will keep the same deadline of Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:17:53 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.
The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.
This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.
No Retreats required.
********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)
England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)
France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)
Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold
*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0
Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.
- Josh |
| DC261 - Fall 1903 Reminder - aramis604 (Aug 05, 2009, 10:53 pm) |
Order are due in just about 24 hours. Please make sure you submit them if you haven't already.
- Josh[Reply] |
| My House Rules - aramis604 (Jul 30, 2009, 4:27 am) |
DEADLINES & GRACE PERIODS
Deadlines are not suggestions. I will normally adjudicate any given turn within an hour or two of the deadline. There will be no automatic grace period for later orders with one exception: Orders and changes will not be counted as late if sent before I begin adjudication.
In the event I must miss a deadline by more than a couple hours I will notify everyone, and very likely set a new deadline for a later time.
I will also try to send a reminder at least 12 hours in advance for all deadlines. Be aware however that all players are still responsible for getting their orders to me on time even if I fail to send a reminder.
PHASES PER WEEK
Generally speaking I allow 5 days for Spring/Fall turns, 1 day for any necessary retreat turns, and 2 days for Builds/Disbands.
I will not normally set a deadline on a Weekend.
ORDERS
When I receive your orders I will send confirmation that I have gotten them. If you don't receive this acknowledgment from me then I probably haven’t received them and you should resubmit.
A unit must be issued an order for it to take any action. There are no implied orders!
You may change your orders as many times as you like before the deadline. Should you choose to change your orders please make sure to submit an order for each of your units. If I have multiple sets of orders from you by the time I begin adjudication I will use the most recent email that you have sent me. If that email does not contain a order for each of your units, those units not ordered will do nothing.
I will not be reviewing your orders before the deadline, so please make sure to review them for clarity before you send them. Any confusions or incorrect moves caused by unclear orders are the players fault and I will give no opportunity to fix them once I have begun adjudication.
UNIT DESIGNATIONS
Since there can only be one unit in a province at any given time, omitted or incorrect unit designations will not invalidate an order. But please try to be accurate.
MULTIPLE ORDERS FOR UNITS
If any particular unit is mentioned twice in an order list with contradictory orders, the last order instance for that unit will be selected for adjudication. Except when one order for a unit specifies the correct unit type and another specifies the incorrect unit type. The correct order with the correct unit type will take precedence. Example:
F London - English Channel
A London - Wales
The order F London - English Channel will be attempted and A London -
Wales will be voided.
NMR'S
I will not adjudicate with an NMR in the first year.
Players will have one NMR tolerated. In the event that a player does NMR that player must contact the GM within 48 hours of the results being posted to confirm that they will continue playing. If no reply is received I will immediately begin looking for a replacement before the next turn. If the offending player contacts me before I find a replacement he may be allowed to continue, but that decision is at my discretion.
A player who fails to submit orders a second time during the game will be removed immediately.
Failing to submit a Build or Retreat order not be counted an NMR and will not lead you to being removed from the game. However the player is required to contact me within 48HRs or I will begin to seek a replacement.
DRAWS AND OTHER PREMATURE TERMINATION
Players are free to propose an agreement to terminate the game at any time. According to the basic rules of Diplomacy this should result in a draw between all survivors. However I will accept any reasonable proposal. Approval requires a unanimous yes vote by all surviving Players (players may abstain and not affect the outcome of the vote). The vote will be cast by secret ballot. Results will be announced upon receipt of first "no" vote, a unanimous "yes" vote or upon expiration of deadline. The player who makes the proposition does not have to vote yes. Not voting before the deadline will be considered abstaining and will not affect the vote.
AMENDMENTS & CHANGES
The GM reserves the right to amend these rules at any time. Changes will be made in cases requiring rules clarification. GM also reserves the right to put any issue to a vote of the remaining players. All votes must be unanimous to pass.[Reply] |
| DC261 - Spring 1903 Results *UPDATE* - aramis604 (Jul 30, 2009, 4:23 am) |
I just realized that for some crazy reason I added an extra day on the deadline for Fall 1903 which I shouldn't have done. The deadline should have been and is now Thursday, August 6th by 9pm Pacific Time.
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:15:46 AM
Subject: DC261 - Spring 1903 Results
Ok, the missing set of orders was submitted to me within the extedned deadline.... I would have had the orders out a few hours ago but I fell asleep early this evening. Now if someone coud just tell me why I woke up again at 1:30am. heh..
Anyway here are the results. And as always please check for accuracy. I've triple checked them and they should be fine.... but past events suggest otherwise.
***********
No retreats required.
Austria:
F Albania - Greece
A Bohemia Supports A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Serbia Supports F Albania - Greece
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
England:
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
A London - Norway
F Norway - Barents Sea
F Wales - English Channel (*Fails*)
France:
F Brest - Picardy
F English Channel Supports F Brest - Picardy (*Cut*)
A Paris - Gascony
A Portugal - Spain
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark (*Bounce*)
A Belgium - Burgundy
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Ruhr
A Munich Hold
F North Sea Convoys A London - Norway
A Sweden Supports A London - Norway
Italy:
F Eastern Mediterranean - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Supports F Albania - Greece
A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
Russia:
F Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Fails*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Hold
A Bulgaria Supports F Greece
F Constantinople Supports A Smyrna
F Greece Supports A Bulgaria (*Disbanded*)
A Smyrna Hold
***************
Fall 1903 orders are due on Friday, August 7th by 9pm Pacific Time.[Reply] |
| DC261 - Spring 1903 Results - aramis604 (Jul 30, 2009, 4:15 am) |
Ok, the missing set of orders was submitted to me within the extedned deadline.... I would have had the orders out a few hours ago but I fell asleep early this evening. Now if someone coud just tell me why I woke up again at 1:30am. heh..
Anyway here are the results. And as always please check for accuracy. I've triple checked them and they should be fine.... but past events suggest otherwise.
***********
No retreats required.
Austria:
F Albania - Greece
A Bohemia Supports A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Serbia Supports F Albania - Greece
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
England:
A Liverpool - Yorkshire
A London - Norway
F Norway - Barents Sea
F Wales - English Channel (*Fails*)
France:
F Brest - Picardy
F English Channel Supports F Brest - Picardy (*Cut*)
A Paris - Gascony
A Portugal - Spain
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark (*Bounce*)
A Belgium - Burgundy
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Ruhr
A Munich Hold
F North Sea Convoys A London - Norway
A Sweden Supports A London - Norway
Italy:
F Eastern Mediterranean - Aegean Sea
F Ionian Sea Supports F Albania - Greece
A Piedmont - Tyrolia
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
Russia:
F Rumania Supports A Bulgaria
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak - Denmark (*Bounce*)
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Fails*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia
Turkey:
F Black Sea Hold
A Bulgaria Supports F Greece
F Constantinople Supports A Smyrna
F Greece Supports A Bulgaria (*Disbanded*)
A Smyrna Hold
***************
Fall 1903 orders are due on Friday, August 7th by 9pm Pacific Time.[Reply] |
| DC261 - Spring 1903 Reminder - aramis604 (Jul 29, 2009, 1:01 am) |
FYI, the deadline has passed and I'm still missing one or more sets of orders. I have notified those who I need orders from and given them 24 hours to respond.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:47:13 AM
Subject: DC261 - Spring 1903 Reminder
Orders are due at 9pm today. Please make sure you get them in if you haven't already.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Spring 1903 Reminder - aramis604 (Jul 28, 2009, 4:47 am) |
Orders are due at 9pm today. Please make sure you get them in if you haven't already.
- Josh[Reply] |
| DC261 - Spring 1903 Reminder (dc261) aramis604 Jul 29, 01:01 am |
FYI, the deadline has passed and I'm still missing one or more sets of orders. I have notified those who I need orders from and given them 24 hours to respond.
- Josh
From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com>
To: Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk>; Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil>; dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:47:13 AM
Subject: DC261 - Spring 1903 Reminder
Orders are due at 9pm today. Please make sure you get them in if you haven't already.
- Josh |
