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Author:JimR
Posted:Aug 08, 2009 at 6:19 am
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Here is some supporting data for Jorge’s link,

http://www.diplom.org/~diparch/resources/rulebooks/2000AH4th.pdf

Page 7 – “How to Support” paragraph 2:

A Fleet that can move to a province with two separate coasts (a Fleet in the Mid-Atlantic, for example) can support another Army or Fleet into that province(in this case Spain) without regard to separate coastlines.

Jim R.

From: Jorge Saralegui [mailto:jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, August 08, 2009 7:01 AM
To: Josh E.
Cc: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Ben Leapman; Benjamin Hester; Mark Duffield; Benjamin Hester; Ben Leapman; Jim Rossiter; Eric Shum; David Zilkha; Mike Sims
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results


I assume the issue is whether Russia's support is valid because his fleet is on the "wrong" coast. The answer is Yes: the rules restrict movement, but say nothing about restricting support; therefore, the basic "unrestricted" rule applies. This is not an ambiguity. According to the rules, a fleet occupies the entire province - not just one coast. As a result, support against it can come from anywhere adjacent.

Here Is Play Diplomacy Online on the same issue:



"3 provinces on the board generate common questions regarding supports with fleets, St Petersburg (STP), Spain (SPA), and Bulgaria (BUL). Those provinces have coasts, STP nc and STP sc, SPA nc and SPA sc, and BUL ec and BUL sc, with nc and sc and ec standing for North, South or East coasts respectivly. If your fleet unit can reach any coast of that province (1, or the other, or both), it can both SUPPORT a MOVE into the province in its entirety, and SUPPORT a unit in that province to HOLD against another unit's order to MOVE there. SUPPORT into a province, either to HOLD there or to MOVE there are not specific to a Coast. This means my fleet in Barents Sea, near STP nc, can support the MOVE of a fleet in Livonia into STP sc (the only coast it can reach), and the order is valid. Please note, this can be confusing to new players."



http://www.playdiplomacy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4269



Jorge


On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 1:17 AM, Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
I have received a number of questions regarding the revision for Fall 1903 wondering why the initial order was invalid. I have reviewed the relevant rules from the Diplomacy rule book and my interpretation leads me to believe that the support order given was invalid. However the rules are not as succinct and I would like them to be so I am going to seek an outside opinion on this matter. For the moment please consider DC261 paused while I converse with other GMs to clear this issue up.

- Josh




From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>

Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:21:52 PM
Subject: Re: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results

There is a correction that needs to be made on the Fall 1903 orders.

The support order given from the Russian fleet in Romania to the Austrian fleet in Greece was invalid. The result of which is that Bulgaria was not dislodged and subsequently disbanded, Greece failed to move, and the Fleet coming from the Ionian Sea bounced in Greece.

This does impact the adjustments phase also... below are the required adjustments. I am going to keep the current deadline, but anyone needs more time I will grant one 24 hour extension if requested.

Adjustments:

Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0



From: Josh E. <aramis604(at)yahoo.com ([email]aramis604(at)yahoo.com[/email])>
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email]); Benjamin Hester <benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil ([email]benjamin.hester(at)us.army.mil[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk ([email]ben.leapman(at)telegraph.co.uk[/email])>; Mark Duffield <captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com ([email]captain_sicarius(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; Benjamin Hester <screwtape777(at)gmail.com ([email]screwtape777(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Ben Leapman <ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com ([email]ben.leapman(at)ntlworld.com[/email])>; Jim Rossiter <jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com ([email]jarossiter(at)tampabay.rr.com[/email])>; Jorge Saralegui <jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com ([email]jmsaralegui(at)gmail.com[/email])>; Eric Shum <ecommander0(at)hotmail.com ([email]ecommander0(at)hotmail.com[/email])>; David Zilkha <davidzil(at)lycos.com ([email]davidzil(at)lycos.com[/email])>
Cc: Mike Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])>
Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:58:05 AM
Subject: DC261 - Fall 1903 Results
The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.

No Retreats required.

********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)

England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)

France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles

Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway

Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich

Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold

*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0

Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.

- Josh

This message is in reply to post 12231:

The results are in! Sorry I didn't get these out last night but I ended up falling asleep on the couch.

No Retreats required.

********************
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Serbia Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Silesia - Munich (*Fails*)

England:
F Barents Sea Supports A Norway - St Petersburg
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
F Wales - London
A Yorkshire - Norway (*Fails*)

France:
F English Channel - Belgium
A Gascony - Paris
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - English Channel
F Picardy Supports F English Channel - Belgium
A Spain - Marseilles

Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Berlin Supports A Munich
A Burgundy - Belgium (*Fails*)
A Munich Hold
F North Sea - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Ruhr Supports A Munich
A Sweden Supports F North Sea - Norway

Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Ionian Sea - Greece
A Syria - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich

Russia:
F Rumania Supports F Greece - Bulgaria(sc)
A Sevastopol Supports F Rumania
F Skagerrak Supports F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway
F St Petersburg(nc) - Norway (*Bounce*)
A Warsaw Supports A Silesia (*Ordered to Move*)

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Bulgaria
A Bulgaria, no move received (*Disbanded*)
F Constantinople Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Smyrna Hold

*******************
Adjustments:
Austria: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
England: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0
France: Supp 6 Unit 5 Build 1
Germany: Supp 6 Unit 7 Remove 1
Italy: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 5 Build 0
Turkey: Supp 3 Unit 3 Build 0

Winter 1903 is due Tuesday, August 11th by 9pm Pacific Time.

- Josh

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DC261 - Fall 1903 Results (aramis604) Aug 07, 12:58 pm

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