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Author:mjn82
Posted:Jun 08, 2009 at 5:01 pm
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Congratulations Frank, 

You definitely the deserved the victory!

Well,  I asked for France and certainly made an early game mistake in my dipping.  It was minimal the first turn as I was not only busy,  but truly wanted a season to get a feel for the players.  Big mistake.  I had agreements in place with AH and Spain and a non-commital response from England that I thought would be sufficient. 

I response I got a three way effort to dissemble France that quickly paired me to two centers.  I quickly tried to craft another border agreement with Isaac and support from Austria to help fend off Frank.  Isaac, once again violated the agreement immediately and that was pretty much the last time I had any real dipping with Spain. 

Too survive I had to walk a fine line between AH and B,  managing to get back to 3 centers, but it became obvious Jorge would never provide any help against Spain and I became convinced that S and A were very tight.  I also flt A was never going to let me grow beyond 3 centers and that he telegraphed my last stab of Frank that should have brought me to 4 or possibly 5 centers.  So I through my lot in with Frank,  my goal being to help him solo as possible while surviving at the end of the game. 

My most satisfying moment was the attack on Spain netting Barcelona and Madrid and evicting Isaac from Iberia.

So in retrospect, I should have pursued Austria or Britain aggressively early in the game.  But i did have great fun playing with both of them.

I did think it was humorous that I got a complaint from a neighbor about being trustworthy when they had already stabbed me in the first year of the game.  After a stab, all bets are off.

Enjoyed playing with all of you.

Mike

This message is in reply to post 11245:

Baron, Warren et al,

16 or so games is not a good
statistical sample. This excellent variant of
Baron's hasn't been around long enough to get a good
feel for country strength. 25-30 trials is
a fairly well recognized minimum statistical sample.
I'm sure England will do better by then.


I agree a larger sample would be required before we jump to any definitive conclusions. With the variant having been tested on the DPJudge, we should have more games more quickly. Also, keep in mind, we only have 6 of those games using the current map and rules.

I'm also curious as to 2 other things. (1)
Has the skill level of the various players been about the
same in all trials or have some of the players been
much more experienced in Dip variants than others?


Warren, it's hard to jump to any universal conclusions, but as a general rule, I think those who have played with the variant before, and are comfortable from game start with the map, the armed neutrals and especially the Diplomacy Points, will have a leg up. I'm not sure how familiar these players have been with variants in general when they have joined an A&E game. I'm not sure how we could research or track that. Maybe there is a 'zine article in there?

(2)
Has the same player played the same country more than
once?

(snip)

In answer to Warren's question, there have been two
documented instances of the same player playing the same
Power AND taking that Power to a solo or draw.  As
Chris McInerney mentioned, he played France in back to back
games and earned two draws.  Wayne Baily also played
Turkey to two draws.  If anyone else has played the
same Power more than once, I don't recall them and would
have to do some research to find them.


I can help here with my A&E master excel workbook.
1) Lee Lovejoy has played Austria twice. 050622 &
060815.
2) Chris McInerney played France twice. 060815 & 070621. He drew both times. Baron mentioned this.
3) Karsten Nitsch played Poland & Saxony twice. 060221 & 070621. He drew the second time.
4) Ray Bruce aka Bruce Ray played Russia twice. 040906 & 080213. Ray soloed the second time.
5) I have played Spain twice. 030211 & 060221. I soloed the first time.
6) Wayne Bailey played Sweden twice. 040105 & 060221.
7) Russ Manning has played Sweden twice. 070621 & 080213.
Cool Mike Norton played Turkey twice. 040906 & 060221. Mike soloed the second time.
9) Wayne Bailey played Turkey twice. 001120 & 050622. He drew both times. Baron mentioned this.

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