Which came first the chicken or the egg?

None of it matters right now. USA and Holland WILL WIN THE GAME IF EVERY LAST ONE OF US REMAINING CANNOT BAND TOGETHER AND COUNTER THEM - PERIOD.

There is no way any of us secondary or lesser powers will grow if we do not band together. That includes me forgiving Austria and China. That includes Japan not turning in the towel. It includes peace and cooperation between England and France. That includes France taking his star spangled skirt and danish halter top off. That includes Austria halting actions against France and Russia. It includes France and Japan start working with Brazil. It means China stops attacking Russia and stops being passive to the Holland incursions. If even one of these things DOES NOT HAPPEN IMMEDIATELY then those of us mentioned above should vote a resounding yes to the proposed USA/Holland Joint Victory.

If WE ALL WANT to stop the super powers, then the time is now - RIGHT NOW. Cast the horse shit, double talk, fear, doubt, distrust, revenge and what ever else aside. Band together and make one global concerted effort to counter them.

Feel free to commit yourself below:

Russia are you? Absolutely.
China are you in?
Austria are you in?
England are you in?
France are you in?
Japan are you in?
Brazil are you in?

It starts with small gains which are still within our collective grasp. But they won't be for much longer.

What shall our DJ/GM instruct the band to play? A battle March? Or the Beagal?

Rob of Russia - Willing to forego revenge for the collective good. Who will stand with me?


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Subject: RE: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press

.hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} body.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} You made your bed now lie in it. I was content to fight Hollands expansion into the Pacific but you and china could not see your way clear of leaving my mainland holdings alone to allow me some strength for the fight. Brazil and the US then go off ans start their own war with no eye to any other goal. I am simply tired of people blowing smoke and then not sticking into what they say they will do. At least Holland has been fairly straight forward. when He stabbed me, he never continued along a simple line of its for the good of the game or I need to do that!!. You on the other had made simple grab at four centers with out the consideration of any consequences. Deal with it!!

Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:55:37 -0700
From: former.trout(at)gmail.com
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Subject: Guns, Germs and steel 1264 / DC110 - Summer 1869 Russian Press
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Cast this game to the turf. It's over.

Holland has complete and utter control of the Indian Ocean. Gaining control in Africa and the Mideast. And being given gifts in the south Pacific by Japan. The powers that could prevent his advance have chose instead to bicker and stab amongst themselves turning a blind eye to Hollands unchecked growth.

The USA has exploded recently. He currently has NO significant threat to him. No vulnerable front and it is only a mater of time before he cracks Brazil and England. And he will continue to pick up gains as Japan collapses.

Who will turn and stop them? Who will stop bickering and stabbing and make a global concerted effort to stop them? Anyone? It would take all of the lesser powers - by name: Austria, England, France, China, Russia, Brazil and Japan - just to start to counter their strong holds. Anyone?

I am guilty of the bickering and stabbing myself. But I have given every effort imaginable to join those forces against Holland and USA. No real willing partners. Not even in certain area's where it would seem beneficial. I am tired. Tired of trying to band forces together to fight the super powers. Tired of neighbors, who should be allies, choosing to squabble over scraps while H and U continue to grow UNCHECKED!

Russia is now fully committed to repaying China. Not because of his stab, but because since we started talking, he has continued to turn a blind eye to Holland and disregarding the fact that he COULD make a difference. Every unit I have will now be thrown in that direction. If people, namely Austria choose to gobble up my centers as I redirect them then my point to this press will only be amplified. If France continues to be the patsy to these two powers, then I say hike that skirt up higher and bite the pillow a little harder. Soon they will swallow you up as well.

End this now, so I don't have to watch 7 players watch as their lack of awareness and desire to counter 2 players bites them in the ass.

USA and Holland - well done. Not sure how you got to that point before I joined, but what ever spell you cast over the rest of us deserves my applaud.

Dave I am coming for you...

Russia.

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