| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! - offdisc (Mar 21, 2012, 1:20 am) |
Hi All,
I've seen Fire, and I've seen Rain.... but I've NEVER seen so many lies & false plans told in a single round. There was so many VOID moves this turn, I actually went back through all my emails making sure I wasn't processing the wrong turn!
You all have taken Diplomacy in a whole new direction! I just don't whether I can trust it or not.... and I'd suggest none of you trust each other anymore. 
Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
Fall 04 Move Results
--------------------------------
Archers:
A Llyr Supports A Loxley (*Dislodged*)
A Loxley Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Starkadh - Hundred Acre Wood
A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Westmark Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
F Andarien Plain Supports A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
Barbarians:
F GuTanoth Supports A Paras Derval (*Dislodged*)
A Paras Derval Supports F GuTanoth (*Dislodged*)
A Brennin - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
Dwarves:
A Ice Reach - Tymwyvenne
A Myth Drannor Supports F Great Glacier
F Great Glacier Hold
A Spirit Pond - Yggdrasil
A Tymwyvenne - Diamond Mines
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Pwyll
F CHURNING REACH Supports F Great Glacier
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ALL SAINTS BAY
Faeries:
F Grimheim Supports F CELESTIAL DELTA (*Cut*)
A Dimmsdale - Walk of Clouds
A Walk of Clouds - Corona
A Land of Sweets - Shady Vale
F CELESTIAL DELTA Supports F MIST MARSH - SUNLESS SEA (*Void*)
F TILVA STRAIT Supports F Grimheim
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - RUGGED COAST
Gnomes:
A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Khemri - Gwynir
A Newa River Supports F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Avalon Supports A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Critter Country - Duloc
A Elephant Graveyard - Loxley (*Dislodged*)
Hobbits:
F Mordor Hold
A Rohan Supports F Mordor
A Krikkit - Two Towers (*Bounce*)
A Candlekeep - Two Towers (*Dislodged*)
F BABEL BEACH Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK (*Void*)
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK
(*Void*)
Knights:
A Wing Hove Supports F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
A Grimpen Ward - Aslan
F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
F Cathal - CRYSTAL LAKE
A Arctic Barrens Supports F River Saeren - GuTanoth
F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
F MIST MARSH Supports F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
Leprechauns:
F Knockshegowna Supports F Tuatha - Merrow
A Lubrick - Tuatha
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Myrtle - THUNDERHEAD
F SOUTH RAINBOW LAKE - NORTH RAINBOW LAKE (*Fails*)
Magicians:
F Skellington - Necronomicon
F Ansalon Supports F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F Timberlands - SAVAGE SEA (*Fails*)
A Uhl Belk Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia (*Void*)
F RIVER STYX - THE MAW
Nomads:
A Fionavar - River Saeren
F Skullcap - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
A Corona - To-Gai-Ru
A Valley of Lost Honor - City of Splendors
A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
A Marshes of Morva - Valley of Lost Honor
F River Saeren - GuTanoth
Ogres:
F Garthim Supports F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS
F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS (*Fails*)
A Devils Canyon - Twisted Tunnels
A Florin Supports F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling
F Allerleirauh Supports F Knockshegowna
A Heresh - Powry
A France - Magrathea
F Shining Stream - Thirsty Desert
F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
Pirates:
A Fantastica - Maze of Regrets
A Pans Labyrinth Supports A Rivendell
F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Duloc - Llyr
A Rivendell Supports F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor
F Cliffs of Insanity Supports A Duloc - Llyr
F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor (*Fails*)
Rogues:
F Ashan Hold
A Kender - Dargaard Keep (*Fails*)
Samurai:
F Never Never Land - SEA OF FALLEN STARS (*Fails*)
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
Trolls:
A Tumnus - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
A The Silver city Supports F Ashan
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
A Moominvalley Supports A The Silver city
A Yggdrasil - Ancient Necropolis
F SUNLESS SEA Supports F MIST MARSH - CELESTIAL DELTA
(*Dislodged*)
F BEAVERSDAM - Grimheim (*Fails*)
F POOL OF RADIANCE Supports A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F HIGH SEAS - WAY THE HECK
F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
Undead:
A Terabithia - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
F SAVAGE SEA - Timberlands (*Fails*)
Wizards:
F Baldurs Gate Hold
A Waterdeep Supports A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Zhentil Keep - Thra
A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Dragon Coast - Faerun
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F ROARING RAPIDS
F ROARING RAPIDS Supports F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson[Reply] |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) Krazick Mar 21, 06:13 am |
Mike,
Given the Large Number of Retreats that are expected, and no specification of how many Builds, or Removals are required for each Race, would it not make more sense to have Retreats submitted by Thursday, and Adjustments on Friday? If one of the Retreats is an OTB, it would change the amount of adjustments required for the Race.
I understand you want to keep things moving...
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I've seen Fire, and I've seen Rain.... but I've NEVER seen so many lies & false plans told in a single round. There was so many VOID moves this turn, I actually went back through all my emails making sure I wasn't processing the wrong turn!
You all have taken Diplomacy in a whole new direction! I just don't whether I can trust it or not.... and I'd suggest none of you trust each other anymore.
Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
Fall 04 Move Results
--------------------------------
Archers:
A Llyr Supports A Loxley (*Dislodged*)
A Loxley Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Starkadh - Hundred Acre Wood
A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Westmark Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
F Andarien Plain Supports A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
Barbarians:
F GuTanoth Supports A Paras Derval (*Dislodged*)
A Paras Derval Supports F GuTanoth (*Dislodged*)
A Brennin - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
Dwarves:
A Ice Reach - Tymwyvenne
A Myth Drannor Supports F Great Glacier
F Great Glacier Hold
A Spirit Pond - Yggdrasil
A Tymwyvenne - Diamond Mines
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Pwyll
F CHURNING REACH Supports F Great Glacier
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ALL SAINTS BAY
Faeries:
F Grimheim Supports F CELESTIAL DELTA (*Cut*)
A Dimmsdale - Walk of Clouds
A Walk of Clouds - Corona
A Land of Sweets - Shady Vale
F CELESTIAL DELTA Supports F MIST MARSH - SUNLESS SEA (*Void*)
F TILVA STRAIT Supports F Grimheim
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - RUGGED COAST
Gnomes:
A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Khemri - Gwynir
A Newa River Supports F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Avalon Supports A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Critter Country - Duloc
A Elephant Graveyard - Loxley (*Dislodged*)
Hobbits:
F Mordor Hold
A Rohan Supports F Mordor
A Krikkit - Two Towers (*Bounce*)
A Candlekeep - Two Towers (*Dislodged*)
F BABEL BEACH Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK (*Void*)
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK
(*Void*)
Knights:
A Wing Hove Supports F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
A Grimpen Ward - Aslan
F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
F Cathal - CRYSTAL LAKE
A Arctic Barrens Supports F River Saeren - GuTanoth
F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
F MIST MARSH Supports F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
Leprechauns:
F Knockshegowna Supports F Tuatha - Merrow
A Lubrick - Tuatha
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Myrtle - THUNDERHEAD
F SOUTH RAINBOW LAKE - NORTH RAINBOW LAKE (*Fails*)
Magicians:
F Skellington - Necronomicon
F Ansalon Supports F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F Timberlands - SAVAGE SEA (*Fails*)
A Uhl Belk Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia (*Void*)
F RIVER STYX - THE MAW
Nomads:
A Fionavar - River Saeren
F Skullcap - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
A Corona - To-Gai-Ru
A Valley of Lost Honor - City of Splendors
A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
A Marshes of Morva - Valley of Lost Honor
F River Saeren - GuTanoth
Ogres:
F Garthim Supports F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS
F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS (*Fails*)
A Devils Canyon - Twisted Tunnels
A Florin Supports F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling
F Allerleirauh Supports F Knockshegowna
A Heresh - Powry
A France - Magrathea
F Shining Stream - Thirsty Desert
F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
Pirates:
A Fantastica - Maze of Regrets
A Pans Labyrinth Supports A Rivendell
F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Duloc - Llyr
A Rivendell Supports F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor
F Cliffs of Insanity Supports A Duloc - Llyr
F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor (*Fails*)
Rogues:
F Ashan Hold
A Kender - Dargaard Keep (*Fails*)
Samurai:
F Never Never Land - SEA OF FALLEN STARS (*Fails*)
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
Trolls:
A Tumnus - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
A The Silver city Supports F Ashan
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
A Moominvalley Supports A The Silver city
A Yggdrasil - Ancient Necropolis
F SUNLESS SEA Supports F MIST MARSH - CELESTIAL DELTA
(*Dislodged*)
F BEAVERSDAM - Grimheim (*Fails*)
F POOL OF RADIANCE Supports A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F HIGH SEAS - WAY THE HECK
F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
Undead:
A Terabithia - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
F SAVAGE SEA - Timberlands (*Fails*)
Wizards:
F Baldurs Gate Hold
A Waterdeep Supports A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Zhentil Keep - Thra
A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Dragon Coast - Faerun
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F ROARING RAPIDS
F ROARING RAPIDS Supports F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) offdisc Mar 21, 09:20 am |
We'll see. I already have most of the retreats in hand.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Mark Smith <markjsmith60(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
Given the Large Number of Retreats that are expected, and no specification of how many Builds, or Removals are required for each Race, would it not make more sense to have Retreats submitted by Thursday, and Adjustments on Friday? If one of the Retreats is an OTB, it would change the amount of adjustments required for the Race.
I understand you want to keep things moving...
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I've seen Fire, and I've seen Rain.... but I've NEVER seen so many lies & false plans told in a single round. There was so many VOID moves this turn, I actually went back through all my emails making sure I wasn't processing the wrong turn!
You all have taken Diplomacy in a whole new direction! I just don't whether I can trust it or not.... and I'd suggest none of you trust each other anymore.
Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
Fall 04 Move Results
--------------------------------
Archers:
A Llyr Supports A Loxley (*Dislodged*)
A Loxley Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Starkadh - Hundred Acre Wood
A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Westmark Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
F Andarien Plain Supports A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
Barbarians:
F GuTanoth Supports A Paras Derval (*Dislodged*)
A Paras Derval Supports F GuTanoth (*Dislodged*)
A Brennin - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
Dwarves:
A Ice Reach - Tymwyvenne
A Myth Drannor Supports F Great Glacier
F Great Glacier Hold
A Spirit Pond - Yggdrasil
A Tymwyvenne - Diamond Mines
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Pwyll
F CHURNING REACH Supports F Great Glacier
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ALL SAINTS BAY
Faeries:
F Grimheim Supports F CELESTIAL DELTA (*Cut*)
A Dimmsdale - Walk of Clouds
A Walk of Clouds - Corona
A Land of Sweets - Shady Vale
F CELESTIAL DELTA Supports F MIST MARSH - SUNLESS SEA (*Void*)
F TILVA STRAIT Supports F Grimheim
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - RUGGED COAST
Gnomes:
A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Khemri - Gwynir
A Newa River Supports F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Avalon Supports A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Critter Country - Duloc
A Elephant Graveyard - Loxley (*Dislodged*)
Hobbits:
F Mordor Hold
A Rohan Supports F Mordor
A Krikkit - Two Towers (*Bounce*)
A Candlekeep - Two Towers (*Dislodged*)
F BABEL BEACH Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK (*Void*)
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK
(*Void*)
Knights:
A Wing Hove Supports F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
A Grimpen Ward - Aslan
F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
F Cathal - CRYSTAL LAKE
A Arctic Barrens Supports F River Saeren - GuTanoth
F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
F MIST MARSH Supports F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
Leprechauns:
F Knockshegowna Supports F Tuatha - Merrow
A Lubrick - Tuatha
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Myrtle - THUNDERHEAD
F SOUTH RAINBOW LAKE - NORTH RAINBOW LAKE (*Fails*)
Magicians:
F Skellington - Necronomicon
F Ansalon Supports F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F Timberlands - SAVAGE SEA (*Fails*)
A Uhl Belk Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia (*Void*)
F RIVER STYX - THE MAW
Nomads:
A Fionavar - River Saeren
F Skullcap - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
A Corona - To-Gai-Ru
A Valley of Lost Honor - City of Splendors
A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
A Marshes of Morva - Valley of Lost Honor
F River Saeren - GuTanoth
Ogres:
F Garthim Supports F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS
F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS (*Fails*)
A Devils Canyon - Twisted Tunnels
A Florin Supports F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling
F Allerleirauh Supports F Knockshegowna
A Heresh - Powry
A France - Magrathea
F Shining Stream - Thirsty Desert
F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
Pirates:
A Fantastica - Maze of Regrets
A Pans Labyrinth Supports A Rivendell
F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Duloc - Llyr
A Rivendell Supports F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor
F Cliffs of Insanity Supports A Duloc - Llyr
F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor (*Fails*)
Rogues:
F Ashan Hold
A Kender - Dargaard Keep (*Fails*)
Samurai:
F Never Never Land - SEA OF FALLEN STARS (*Fails*)
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
Trolls:
A Tumnus - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
A The Silver city Supports F Ashan
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
A Moominvalley Supports A The Silver city
A Yggdrasil - Ancient Necropolis
F SUNLESS SEA Supports F MIST MARSH - CELESTIAL DELTA
(*Dislodged*)
F BEAVERSDAM - Grimheim (*Fails*)
F POOL OF RADIANCE Supports A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F HIGH SEAS - WAY THE HECK
F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
Undead:
A Terabithia - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
F SAVAGE SEA - Timberlands (*Fails*)
Wizards:
F Baldurs Gate Hold
A Waterdeep Supports A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Zhentil Keep - Thra
A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Dragon Coast - Faerun
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F ROARING RAPIDS
F ROARING RAPIDS Supports F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) laxrulz777 Mar 21, 09:31 am |
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
We'll see. I already have most of the retreats in hand.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Mark Smith <markjsmith60(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
Given the Large Number of Retreats that are expected, and no specification of how many Builds, or Removals are required for each Race, would it not make more sense to have Retreats submitted by Thursday, and Adjustments on Friday? If one of the Retreats is an OTB, it would change the amount of adjustments required for the Race.
I understand you want to keep things moving...
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I've seen Fire, and I've seen Rain.... but I've NEVER seen so many lies & false plans told in a single round. There was so many VOID moves this turn, I actually went back through all my emails making sure I wasn't processing the wrong turn!
You all have taken Diplomacy in a whole new direction! I just don't whether I can trust it or not.... and I'd suggest none of you trust each other anymore.
Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
Fall 04 Move Results
--------------------------------
Archers:
A Llyr Supports A Loxley (*Dislodged*)
A Loxley Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Starkadh - Hundred Acre Wood
A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Westmark Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
F Andarien Plain Supports A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
Barbarians:
F GuTanoth Supports A Paras Derval (*Dislodged*)
A Paras Derval Supports F GuTanoth (*Dislodged*)
A Brennin - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
Dwarves:
A Ice Reach - Tymwyvenne
A Myth Drannor Supports F Great Glacier
F Great Glacier Hold
A Spirit Pond - Yggdrasil
A Tymwyvenne - Diamond Mines
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Pwyll
F CHURNING REACH Supports F Great Glacier
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ALL SAINTS BAY
Faeries:
F Grimheim Supports F CELESTIAL DELTA (*Cut*)
A Dimmsdale - Walk of Clouds
A Walk of Clouds - Corona
A Land of Sweets - Shady Vale
F CELESTIAL DELTA Supports F MIST MARSH - SUNLESS SEA (*Void*)
F TILVA STRAIT Supports F Grimheim
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - RUGGED COAST
Gnomes:
A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Khemri - Gwynir
A Newa River Supports F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Avalon Supports A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Critter Country - Duloc
A Elephant Graveyard - Loxley (*Dislodged*)
Hobbits:
F Mordor Hold
A Rohan Supports F Mordor
A Krikkit - Two Towers (*Bounce*)
A Candlekeep - Two Towers (*Dislodged*)
F BABEL BEACH Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK (*Void*)
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK
(*Void*)
Knights:
A Wing Hove Supports F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
A Grimpen Ward - Aslan
F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
F Cathal - CRYSTAL LAKE
A Arctic Barrens Supports F River Saeren - GuTanoth
F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
F MIST MARSH Supports F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
Leprechauns:
F Knockshegowna Supports F Tuatha - Merrow
A Lubrick - Tuatha
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Myrtle - THUNDERHEAD
F SOUTH RAINBOW LAKE - NORTH RAINBOW LAKE (*Fails*)
Magicians:
F Skellington - Necronomicon
F Ansalon Supports F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F Timberlands - SAVAGE SEA (*Fails*)
A Uhl Belk Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia (*Void*)
F RIVER STYX - THE MAW
Nomads:
A Fionavar - River Saeren
F Skullcap - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
A Corona - To-Gai-Ru
A Valley of Lost Honor - City of Splendors
A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
A Marshes of Morva - Valley of Lost Honor
F River Saeren - GuTanoth
Ogres:
F Garthim Supports F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS
F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS (*Fails*)
A Devils Canyon - Twisted Tunnels
A Florin Supports F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling
F Allerleirauh Supports F Knockshegowna
A Heresh - Powry
A France - Magrathea
F Shining Stream - Thirsty Desert
F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
Pirates:
A Fantastica - Maze of Regrets
A Pans Labyrinth Supports A Rivendell
F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Duloc - Llyr
A Rivendell Supports F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor
F Cliffs of Insanity Supports A Duloc - Llyr
F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor (*Fails*)
Rogues:
F Ashan Hold
A Kender - Dargaard Keep (*Fails*)
Samurai:
F Never Never Land - SEA OF FALLEN STARS (*Fails*)
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
Trolls:
A Tumnus - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
A The Silver city Supports F Ashan
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
A Moominvalley Supports A The Silver city
A Yggdrasil - Ancient Necropolis
F SUNLESS SEA Supports F MIST MARSH - CELESTIAL DELTA
(*Dislodged*)
F BEAVERSDAM - Grimheim (*Fails*)
F POOL OF RADIANCE Supports A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F HIGH SEAS - WAY THE HECK
F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
Undead:
A Terabithia - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
F SAVAGE SEA - Timberlands (*Fails*)
Wizards:
F Baldurs Gate Hold
A Waterdeep Supports A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Zhentil Keep - Thra
A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Dragon Coast - Faerun
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F ROARING RAPIDS
F ROARING RAPIDS Supports F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) offdisc Mar 21, 09:37 am |
Oh, most definitely! I *always* give 24 hours for Adjustments, and that will never change. So, if I get all the retreats in by 5 PM MST today, deadline can stay the same -- tomorrow at 5PM MST. Otherwise, it slips to Friday.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:31 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me.
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
We'll see. I already have most of the retreats in hand.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 5:13 AM, Mark Smith <markjsmith60(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
Given the Large Number of Retreats that are expected, and no specification of how many Builds, or Removals are required for each Race, would it not make more sense to have Retreats submitted by Thursday, and Adjustments on Friday? If one of the Retreats is an OTB, it would change the amount of adjustments required for the Race.
I understand you want to keep things moving...
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 2:20 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
Hi All,
I've seen Fire, and I've seen Rain.... but I've NEVER seen so many lies & false plans told in a single round. There was so many VOID moves this turn, I actually went back through all my emails making sure I wasn't processing the wrong turn!
You all have taken Diplomacy in a whole new direction! I just don't whether I can trust it or not.... and I'd suggest none of you trust each other anymore.
Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
Fall 04 Move Results
--------------------------------
Archers:
A Llyr Supports A Loxley (*Dislodged*)
A Loxley Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Starkadh - Hundred Acre Wood
A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
A Westmark Supports A Groves of Academe - Elephant Graveyard
F Andarien Plain Supports A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
Barbarians:
F GuTanoth Supports A Paras Derval (*Dislodged*)
A Paras Derval Supports F GuTanoth (*Dislodged*)
A Brennin - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
Dwarves:
A Ice Reach - Tymwyvenne
A Myth Drannor Supports F Great Glacier
F Great Glacier Hold
A Spirit Pond - Yggdrasil
A Tymwyvenne - Diamond Mines
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - Pwyll
F CHURNING REACH Supports F Great Glacier
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - ALL SAINTS BAY
Faeries:
F Grimheim Supports F CELESTIAL DELTA (*Cut*)
A Dimmsdale - Walk of Clouds
A Walk of Clouds - Corona
A Land of Sweets - Shady Vale
F CELESTIAL DELTA Supports F MIST MARSH - SUNLESS SEA (*Void*)
F TILVA STRAIT Supports F Grimheim
F NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN - RUGGED COAST
Gnomes:
A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Khemri - Gwynir
A Newa River Supports F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Avalon Supports A Hundred Acre Wood - Drynwyn
F Critter Country - Duloc
A Elephant Graveyard - Loxley (*Dislodged*)
Hobbits:
F Mordor Hold
A Rohan Supports F Mordor
A Krikkit - Two Towers (*Bounce*)
A Candlekeep - Two Towers (*Dislodged*)
F BABEL BEACH Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK (*Void*)
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Supports F BIKINI BOTTOM - WAY THE HECK
(*Void*)
Knights:
A Wing Hove Supports F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
A Grimpen Ward - Aslan
F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
F Cathal - CRYSTAL LAKE
A Arctic Barrens Supports F River Saeren - GuTanoth
F CRYSTAL LAKE - Ice Reach
F MIST MARSH Supports F Telmar - SUNLESS SEA
Leprechauns:
F Knockshegowna Supports F Tuatha - Merrow
A Lubrick - Tuatha
F Tuatha - Merrow
F Myrtle - THUNDERHEAD
F SOUTH RAINBOW LAKE - NORTH RAINBOW LAKE (*Fails*)
Magicians:
F Skellington - Necronomicon
F Ansalon Supports F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F Timberlands - SAVAGE SEA (*Fails*)
A Uhl Belk Supports F SAVAGE SEA - Terabithia (*Void*)
F RIVER STYX - THE MAW
Nomads:
A Fionavar - River Saeren
F Skullcap - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
A Corona - To-Gai-Ru
A Valley of Lost Honor - City of Splendors
A Kingdom of Hearts - Paras Derval
A Marshes of Morva - Valley of Lost Honor
F River Saeren - GuTanoth
Ogres:
F Garthim Supports F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS
F Gelfling - ROARING RAPIDS (*Fails*)
A Devils Canyon - Twisted Tunnels
A Florin Supports F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling
F Allerleirauh Supports F Knockshegowna
A Heresh - Powry
A France - Magrathea
F Shining Stream - Thirsty Desert
F THREE RIVER LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
Pirates:
A Fantastica - Maze of Regrets
A Pans Labyrinth Supports A Rivendell
F Slightly Gulch - Groves of Academe
A Duloc - Llyr
A Rivendell Supports F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor
F Cliffs of Insanity Supports A Duloc - Llyr
F GULF OF LUHN - Mordor (*Fails*)
Rogues:
F Ashan Hold
A Kender - Dargaard Keep (*Fails*)
Samurai:
F Never Never Land - SEA OF FALLEN STARS (*Fails*)
F BIKINI BOTTOM - Fjord
Trolls:
A Tumnus - Sleepy Hollow (*Bounce*)
A The Silver city Supports F Ashan
A Cave of Ordeals Hold
A Moominvalley Supports A The Silver city
A Yggdrasil - Ancient Necropolis
F SUNLESS SEA Supports F MIST MARSH - CELESTIAL DELTA
(*Dislodged*)
F BEAVERSDAM - Grimheim (*Fails*)
F POOL OF RADIANCE Supports A Lost Woods - Dargaard Keep
F HIGH SEAS - WAY THE HECK
F THE MAW - BIKINI BOTTOM
Undead:
A Terabithia - Uhl Belk (*Bounce*)
F SAVAGE SEA - Timberlands (*Fails*)
Wizards:
F Baldurs Gate Hold
A Waterdeep Supports A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Zhentil Keep - Thra
A Thirsty Desert - Candlekeep
A Dragon Coast - Faerun
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F ROARING RAPIDS
F ROARING RAPIDS Supports F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE - Gelfling (*Bounce*)
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) DancingQueen Mar 21, 09:38 am |
Ummm - isn't that the plan?
<<Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me. |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) offdisc Mar 21, 09:41 am |
You caught me.
Seriously, though, we've had 3 straight turns with *5* retreats, and they've all processed on time, with a build phase the following day.
Now we have *6* retreats, with 2 coming from the same power.
This is not a significant increase, so why all the worry *this* time?
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Ummm - isn't that the plan?
<<Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me. |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) laxrulz777 Mar 21, 10:39 am |
Somehow I got it in my head that the retreats and builds were due on the same day. I attribute the confusion to my lack of reading comprehension skills 
On a separate note, I don't know how many of you are doing this but I've been sending annual "diaries" to Hoffman for him to publish at the end of the game. A lot happened this turn and I'm not sure I fully understand it but I'd LOVE it if some of you sent something to Hoffman for posterity so that we all could have a better understanding of how the game unfolded. I find that reading those after-action reports (which tend to be much more honest then the in game communications) really improves my skill as a dip player.
There are games that I would LOVE to have a peek at all the emails back and forth and this is one of them
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
You caught me.
Seriously, though, we've had 3 straight turns with *5* retreats, and they've all processed on time, with a build phase the following day.
Now we have *6* retreats, with 2 coming from the same power.
This is not a significant increase, so why all the worry *this* time?
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Ummm - isn't that the plan?
<<Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me.
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) DancingQueen Mar 21, 10:43 am |
Jeff - one questions.
Why should I want you to IMPROVE as a dip player? Its clearly in MY best interest if your skills decay!
That being said, good idea, I will create misleading and disingenuous endgame reports.
Wait, did I hit reply-all? Dammit!
8D
DQ
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Somehow I got it in my head that the retreats and builds were due on the same day. I attribute the confusion to my lack of reading comprehension skills
On a separate note, I don't know how many of you are doing this but I've been sending annual "diaries" to Hoffman for him to publish at the end of the game. A lot happened this turn and I'm not sure I fully understand it but I'd LOVE it if some of you sent something to Hoffman for posterity so that we all could have a better understanding of how the game unfolded. I find that reading those after-action reports (which tend to be much more honest then the in game communications) really improves my skill as a dip player.
There are games that I would LOVE to have a peek at all the emails back and forth and this is one of them
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
You caught me.
Seriously, though, we've had 3 straight turns with *5* retreats, and they've all processed on time, with a build phase the following day.
Now we have *6* retreats, with 2 coming from the same power.
This is not a significant increase, so why all the worry *this* time?
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Ummm - isn't that the plan?
<<Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me.
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) laxrulz777 Mar 21, 10:49 am |
To be honest (a wonderful dip phrase , I've found the following maxims to apply to dip (for me at least)
1) Games against better players are more fun
2) Better players are better allies
3) I play my best against better opponents
I used to play a lot in the newbie queues on the judges. I got used to dealing with drop outs but I was always driven absolutely batty by the guy that stabbed me for one SC rather then defending against the rampaging horde behind him all because he was completely incapable of reading an obvious board state.
Besides, the improvement will come at the end of the game when Dwarves are merrily dancing across all the continents in their epic solo victory... just sayin'
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff - one questions.
Why should I want you to IMPROVE as a dip player? Its clearly in MY best interest if your skills decay!
That being said, good idea, I will create misleading and disingenuous endgame reports.
Wait, did I hit reply-all? Dammit!
8D
DQ
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Somehow I got it in my head that the retreats and builds were due on the same day. I attribute the confusion to my lack of reading comprehension skills
On a separate note, I don't know how many of you are doing this but I've been sending annual "diaries" to Hoffman for him to publish at the end of the game. A lot happened this turn and I'm not sure I fully understand it but I'd LOVE it if some of you sent something to Hoffman for posterity so that we all could have a better understanding of how the game unfolded. I find that reading those after-action reports (which tend to be much more honest then the in game communications) really improves my skill as a dip player.
There are games that I would LOVE to have a peek at all the emails back and forth and this is one of them
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
You caught me.
Seriously, though, we've had 3 straight turns with *5* retreats, and they've all processed on time, with a build phase the following day.
Now we have *6* retreats, with 2 coming from the same power.
This is not a significant increase, so why all the worry *this* time?
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Ummm - isn't that the plan?
<<Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me.
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln |
| DC406: Fall 04 Results!!! (dc406) offdisc Mar 21, 02:49 pm |
Did no one think to consult with the GM abotu filling up his mailbox???? Thank god Google has tons of space, and I regularly clear out Panix' box.
Seriously, a bunch of you have been sending in comments -- sometimes the only thing that gets me through the agony of processing the move () is reading the intrigue and laughing to myself about how poorly misled you've all been.
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
To be honest (a wonderful dip phrase , I've found the following maxims to apply to dip (for me at least)
1) Games against better players are more fun
2) Better players are better allies
3) I play my best against better opponents
I used to play a lot in the newbie queues on the judges. I got used to dealing with drop outs but I was always driven absolutely batty by the guy that stabbed me for one SC rather then defending against the rampaging horde behind him all because he was completely incapable of reading an obvious board state.
Besides, the improvement will come at the end of the game when Dwarves are merrily dancing across all the continents in their epic solo victory... just sayin'
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:43 AM, Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Jeff - one questions.
Why should I want you to IMPROVE as a dip player? Its clearly in MY best interest if your skills decay!
That being said, good idea, I will create misleading and disingenuous endgame reports.
Wait, did I hit reply-all? Dammit!
8D
DQ
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 11:39 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Somehow I got it in my head that the retreats and builds were due on the same day. I attribute the confusion to my lack of reading comprehension skills
On a separate note, I don't know how many of you are doing this but I've been sending annual "diaries" to Hoffman for him to publish at the end of the game. A lot happened this turn and I'm not sure I fully understand it but I'd LOVE it if some of you sent something to Hoffman for posterity so that we all could have a better understanding of how the game unfolded. I find that reading those after-action reports (which tend to be much more honest then the in game communications) really improves my skill as a dip player.
There are games that I would LOVE to have a peek at all the emails back and forth and this is one of them
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com> wrote:
You caught me.
Seriously, though, we've had 3 straight turns with *5* retreats, and they've all processed on time, with a build phase the following day.
Now we have *6* retreats, with 2 coming from the same power.
This is not a significant increase, so why all the worry *this* time?
Mike
---------
"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Christopher Martin <dance.scholar(at)gmail.com> wrote:
Ummm - isn't that the plan?
<<Retreats: (due Wednesday 3/21 (at) 5PM MST)
--------------
Archers: A Llyr --> End, CRC, or OTB
Barbarians: F GuTanoth --> Hea, or OTB
A Paras Derval --> Pen, or OTB
Gnomes: A Elephant Graveyard --> CRC, or OTB
Hobbits: A Candlekeep --> Yur, Kara, or OTB
Trolls: F SUNLESS SEA --> Cal, GRS, Orb, or OTB
Builds & Disbands will be due Thursday, Spring moves due next Tuesday!
On Wed, Mar 21, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Jeff Hall <hall.jeff(at)gmail.com> wrote:
I think Mark was saying he'd like to see the retreats (for example, where CAN retreats) before he makes his removals. Sounds reasonable to me.
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln
--
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
-Abraham Lincoln
The problem with Internet quotes is that you can never be certain of their accuracy
-Abraham Lincoln |
| DC404 1906 Winter results - RickHunter (Mar 20, 2012, 4:37 pm) |
Here's our new board. Spring 1907 due Friday 3/23 5pm ET.
Austria:
Build A Vienna
England:
Remove F English Channel
France:
Build F Brest
Italy:
Build A Naples
Russia:
Build F St Petersburg(nc)
Turkey:
Remove F Black Sea[Reply] |
| Stonehenge - jerome777 (Mar 20, 2012, 4:36 pm) |
Hi Max,
All of the players have now checked in with me. Sorry about that.
Hopefully a new Stonehenge game will get put onto the site soon.
Best,
jerome777[Reply] |
| dc408 endgame proposals - coryfucius (Mar 20, 2012, 4:31 pm) |
| Along with your fall 1909 orders, please be sure to cast your votes on each of the following endgame proposals: * DIAS * England/Turkey 2-way * England/Germany/Turkey 3-way * England/Germany/Italy/Turkey 4-way Thanks! Cory [Reply] |
| dc408 summer 1909 retreats - coryfucius (Mar 20, 2012, 4:28 pm) |
Germany falls back to his capital, while Turkey takes the only available retreat option. Fall 1909 orders will be due Thursday 3/22 at 3pm Central (US) / 20:00 GMT. Thanks! Cory ----- Summer 1909 retreats: Germany:
A Munich - Berlin Turkey:
F Spain(sc) - Gulf of Lyon[Reply] |
| DC412 - Turkish EOG - stevec (Mar 20, 2012, 3:57 pm) |
| Thanks Chris for a job well done! In a humorous side note, I actually think you may have inadvertently affected the game. It could be sheer coincidence, but after I took Sev and Rum, Russia (Bret) used almost exactly the same language you did to describe what I had done. He did this despite the fact that Rum was a foregone conclusion, I bypassed Bud (although I could easily have taken it), and I only heard about two sentences from Bret during this turn. I didn’t “want” to take Sev, but there were several other concerns. In the vacuum of communication, I had to make my own choices. As for the game, a few things stand out: it’s no surprise that France and Austria didn’t do well. They didn’t write much and their moves were somewhat puzzling. In fact, it’s almost impossible to do what France did: lose all your home dots by 1902. I’m not slamming him; I’m sure he’s a fine player. In this particular instance, his moves are inexplicable. Austria told me early on he was going to defend on all fronts. As Turkey, that works for me. He offered me Greece, did not communicate on the fall turn, then blocked me out of Greece. Austria and Turkey don’t typically work together, but I had gone to great lengths to explain my willingness to make an AT work. That all pretty much went out the window when he did that and then remained silent. Bret (Russia) insisted on bouncing in Bla. I was “okay” with that, but I’m always concerned about an AIR assault on Turkey, so this left me wondering. Bret was very cautious throughout the game and not very communicative (although more so than Austria). I never actually lied to Bret until the last turn he had a unit on the map. He turned against me after the Rum/Sev debacle, which, while somewhat understandable, was less understandable than trusting EG, who had been after him since early on. I tip my hat to Nick (England). After his nmr, Germany should have been willing to throw him overboard. It opened Pandora’s Box and there were certainly times Mick could have taken three dots from him. Nick also came up with the single-worst proposal I’ve ever read. He suggested I take my “superfluous” army (which it was) in Arm, convoy it to Bul, sneak it through Serbia to Albania, then take Trieste from Italy and walk the boot. Even a noob would not have gone for that, and while I have certainly been fooled on many occasions, I’m not a noob. My biggest regret in this game was not being able to convince Mick (Germany) of my sincerity. Once I bothered to read the scoring system, I understood the best possible result (probable is a better word) other than a win for me was a 3-way. 2-ways are pretty dicey. In my 30 years of play, I’ve probably had three of them. I was burned once and I’m pretty reluctant to even try for one again. I would have gone to any length to guarantee Mick I would not stab him. I probably would have offered cash if he had asked. Mick was concerned I would go for the win. As often as I asked, he never tried to explain how that would be possible. I still don’t think it was. For Turkey to win, he must get more than Sev/Mos/War, the Balkans, Austria, Italy, and Tunis. Where does the 18th come from? Stp, Munich, or Marseilles. Any of those three would be out of reach without severe German incompetence. I think Mick a very capable player so I’m sorely disappointed that we could not come to an agreement here. Now, for the honest truth. In a thousand years, I never thought I would be working with Eric in this game. First of all, IT’s are rare. Second, when Italy suggests Turkey build armies and promises to go west, it rarely happens. In this case, it did. Eric went “all in,” inviting my fleets west. Initially, this may have looked foolish. I thought it was shaky myself. However, at the end of the day, we had to move aggressively or EG would have swept us from the map. As it was, we claimed the last available stalemate line that would have been sustainable without massive guesswork. Eric was steady to the end—thanks mate! I do believe it should have ended on a 3-way and that Mick will regret this in the second round. I know I will. Best of luck to all, Steve [Reply] |
| Stonehenge - jerome777 (Mar 20, 2012, 3:53 pm) |
Ah wouldn't you just know it. I finally fill the game queue after a month of trying, and then the very next day another player comes along to fill the post!
Thanks for the offer Max. I've asked the 9 original players to reconfirm that they're still happy to play in this game, given the fact the game was frozen for so long. If any of these players needs to drop out, then I'll gladly drop you back in. Otherwise, thanks for your help - but you'll need to wait for the next Stonehenge game to be launched.
I'm hoping someone else offers to GM a game of Stonehenge soon. I'd love to play in that variant...
jerome777[Reply] |
| Stonehenge (Light Brigade) jerome777 Mar 20, 04:36 pm |
Hi Max,
All of the players have now checked in with me. Sorry about that.
Hopefully a new Stonehenge game will get put onto the site soon.
Best,
jerome777 |
| Stonehenge - pieandmash (Mar 20, 2012, 3:49 pm) |
let me know if you need a replacement Jerome, im keen
cheers
Max[Reply] |
| Stonehenge (Light Brigade) jerome777 Mar 20, 03:53 pm |
Ah wouldn't you just know it. I finally fill the game queue after a month of trying, and then the very next day another player comes along to fill the post!
Thanks for the offer Max. I've asked the 9 original players to reconfirm that they're still happy to play in this game, given the fact the game was frozen for so long. If any of these players needs to drop out, then I'll gladly drop you back in. Otherwise, thanks for your help - but you'll need to wait for the next Stonehenge game to be launched.
I'm hoping someone else offers to GM a game of Stonehenge soon. I'd love to play in that variant...
jerome777 |
| Stonehenge (Light Brigade) jerome777 Mar 20, 04:36 pm |
Hi Max,
All of the players have now checked in with me. Sorry about that.
Hopefully a new Stonehenge game will get put onto the site soon.
Best,
jerome777 |
| DC 398, Winter 1906 - alwayshunted (Mar 20, 2012, 3:09 pm) |
Hi guys,
At long last, the winter maps. Let's make the spring 1907 turn due in six days, on Monday March 26, 16:00 MDT.
Two draw proposals to vote on with spring orders:1. DIAS2. Turkey and Germany draw.
Failure to vote is considered a no vote.
Maps are attached.
Warren[Reply] |
| DC 409: Corrected Map - AceRimmer (Mar 20, 2012, 9:54 am) |
| As has been pointed out to me, the current.gif map was not up to date. I am attaching a corrected map. [Reply] |
| dc407 Austrian EOG - untitled36 (Mar 20, 2012, 8:56 am) |
I like to give myself as many options as possible in a new game. The GAR was discussed early, but I would have preferred the EG alliance had it been possible (after the GF was very obviously not happening). Had england been willing to work against the french, I would have gone that route instead. It was only as the EF came to light that I threw myself solidly in with the GAR. As we saw in this game, a GAR is worse for the G than it it for the AR. Austria and Russia can take on turkey right away, but Russia can't immediately help against England, and can't help at all vs france. Not to diminish Russia's help, which is the only thing that kept me alive, but I just wanted to point out that, at least for me, the GAR wasn't a sure thing until the full EF was clear.
John
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Ah as I suspected.. Germany's claim that the alliance came later in the game was a bit disingenuous.. you guys were allied from the start (which was a rumour I had previously heard).
Guess I never stood much of a chance then lol..
Note to self.. dont bother playing games that are stacked against you before you write your first word ;-(
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Subject: dc407 Austrian EOG
Not got a huge amount to say beyond that which has been outlined by Germany - he approached me early on to agree we wouldn't attack each other, and my inherent belief that Turkey and Austria can never be solid allies for long was already leading me to work with Russia to knock out Turkey. As such the three way alliance started early on in the game, albeit with some slight misdirection to try and convince others that Russia and I were at loggerheads. The alliance was solid throughout the game. I wavered at one point, and almost flipped sides to work with Turkey against Russia, only changing my mind 15 minutes before the deadline and share with Russia the Turkish moves, which accelerated Turkish decline. For the first few years of the game I was on good terms with Italy, but he gradually realised that no good was coming of Turkey being knocked out by Russia and I, and after Turkey was gone it was a matter of time
before his demise.
I suspect like Germany and Russia I considered whether I could make a dash for a solo, and also considered whether one of them could as well. I think Russia had the best shot, but he stayed with the alliance, which his to his credit.
Didn't have a great deal of communication with England and France (none at all from France from memory)
I think if the other four powers had figured out what was going on a bit earlier, then they could have stopped us, whcih would have made for an interesting scenario. I get the impression that communication between the other four wasn't all it could have been - in addition, pretty much every player noted that communication with France was very poor.
Overall, happy with a three way - it's a tournament, so it sets each of us up in good stead for Round 2. Suggestions that a three way isn't an achievement if agreed from the start doesn't wash for me - it just so happened that an alliance developed in the first year lasted through to the end of the game. I didn't see any good opportunities to stab and shoot for a solo or a two way, so there wasn't exactly much incentive for me to break the alliance.
Michael
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Subject: dc407 German EOG
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I started the blitz with the grand plan to blitz England with France's help, and hopefully get Russia to at least bounce England in Norway, making it a simple, quick conquest. After the fall of England, France would sweep into the med while I rolled East, and eventually we would have a two way GF draw, or maybe I could even earn the solo. That was the great plan. The issue was France would barely talk to me, much less commit to any such alliance. If fact, it became clear he was out to get me. In the process of negotiations, I found I enjoyed chatting with England, and I proposed my second great plan, Work with England Vs France. However, England was far more concerned about Russia, and was unwilling to intervene on the continent. So that was strike two. Meanwhile, I'd hit it off with Russia. We knew each other from a previous Haven Variant. In that game we were enemies, and I tried to get him to betray his allies then, and he wouldn't do it,
so I pegged him as a good potential ally for this game. I also favorable contact with Austria, so the three of us formed the GAR alliance. Austria and I had the general dmz, so mainly we just watched each other's back, while Russia worked with both us us in the north and south. As a side note here, I initially had good discussions with Italy, but at the crucial moment Italy went east to help Turkey instead of moving west to help vs france. So I essentially felt it was Me vs E/F with my only possible salvation being Russia. As the game moved on, and Russia kept growing while I was locked in mortal combat with France, I feared Russia would stab, but I didn't really have any other option than to trust him. I had the proverbial tiger by the tail, and I had to hold on for dear life. Eventually, though, I began to grow, and by that point the game was pretty well done. I got some flak from a couple players about "settling" for the 3 way. For me, I'm just
tickled to have survived. As a German with antagonistic French and aloof English, I wasn't sure I'd pull through. I think only Russia really had the opportunity to solo this one. I figure he was afraid Austria and I would team up and defeat him. Or maybe he was just that much of a team player. I feel like I did the best I could with the hand dealt to me, and I'm proud to "settle" for the 3 way. It was a good game, and a textbook example of a GAR alliance. Thanks to Austria and Russia for the Alliance. it was a very very smooth alliance. We never had any major dispute. Sometimes we discussed various possibilities for orders, but it was never heated or strained (at least as far as I know!). Good game guys! I'd mentioned enjoyed my talks with England and Italy, and essentially, they and I just had different goals. I barely talked with Turkey, but I knew he was a high-ranked player, so seeing him eliminated early was a load off my mind. I wasn't sure until
the very end that he wouldn't find a way to break the alliance. Thanks to our GM for a great game. As a blitz GM I know how much time this can take. You did well! John[Reply] |
| dc407 Austrian EOG - rickyp (Mar 20, 2012, 8:43 am) |
Ah as I suspected.. Germany's claim that the alliance came later in the game was a bit disingenuous.. you guys were allied from the start (which was a rumour I had previously heard).
Guess I never stood much of a chance then lol..
Note to self.. dont bother playing games that are stacked against you before you write your first word ;-(
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Subject: dc407 Austrian EOG
Not got a huge amount to say beyond that which has been outlined by Germany - he approached me early on to agree we wouldn't attack each other, and my inherent belief that Turkey and Austria can never be solid allies for long was already leading me to work with Russia to knock out Turkey. As such the three way alliance started early on in the game, albeit with some slight misdirection to try and convince others that Russia and I were at loggerheads. The alliance was solid throughout the game. I wavered at one point, and almost flipped sides to work with Turkey against Russia, only changing my mind 15 minutes before the deadline and share with Russia the Turkish moves, which accelerated Turkish decline. For the first few years of the game I was on good terms with Italy, but he gradually realised that no good was coming of Turkey being knocked out by Russia and I, and after Turkey was gone it was a matter of time
before his demise.
I suspect like Germany and Russia I considered whether I could make a dash for a solo, and also considered whether one of them could as well. I think Russia had the best shot, but he stayed with the alliance, which his to his credit.
Didn't have a great deal of communication with England and France (none at all from France from memory)
I think if the other four powers had figured out what was going on a bit earlier, then they could have stopped us, whcih would have made for an interesting scenario. I get the impression that communication between the other four wasn't all it could have been - in addition, pretty much every player noted that communication with France was very poor.
Overall, happy with a three way - it's a tournament, so it sets each of us up in good stead for Round 2. Suggestions that a three way isn't an achievement if agreed from the start doesn't wash for me - it just so happened that an alliance developed in the first year lasted through to the end of the game. I didn't see any good opportunities to stab and shoot for a solo or a two way, so there wasn't exactly much incentive for me to break the alliance.
Michael
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Subject: dc407 German EOG
I started the blitz with the grand plan to blitz England with France's help, and hopefully get Russia to at least bounce England in Norway, making it a simple, quick conquest. After the fall of England, France would sweep into the med while I rolled East, and eventually we would have a two way GF draw, or maybe I could even earn the solo. That was the great plan. The issue was France would barely talk to me, much less commit to any such alliance. If fact, it became clear he was out to get me. In the process of negotiations, I found I enjoyed chatting with England, and I proposed my second great plan, Work with England Vs France. However, England was far more concerned about Russia, and was unwilling to intervene on the continent. So that was strike two. Meanwhile, I'd hit it off with Russia. We knew each other from a previous Haven Variant. In that game we were enemies, and I tried to get him to betray his allies then, and he wouldn't do it,
so I pegged him as a good potential ally for this game. I also favorable contact with Austria, so the three of us formed the GAR alliance. Austria and I had the general dmz, so mainly we just watched each other's back, while Russia worked with both us us in the north and south. As a side note here, I initially had good discussions with Italy, but at the crucial moment Italy went east to help Turkey instead of moving west to help vs france. So I essentially felt it was Me vs E/F with my only possible salvation being Russia. As the game moved on, and Russia kept growing while I was locked in mortal combat with France, I feared Russia would stab, but I didn't really have any other option than to trust him. I had the proverbial tiger by the tail, and I had to hold on for dear life. Eventually, though, I began to grow, and by that point the game was pretty well done. I got some flak from a couple players about "settling" for the 3 way. For me, I'm just
tickled to have survived. As a German with antagonistic French and aloof English, I wasn't sure I'd pull through. I think only Russia really had the opportunity to solo this one. I figure he was afraid Austria and I would team up and defeat him. Or maybe he was just that much of a team player. I feel like I did the best I could with the hand dealt to me, and I'm proud to "settle" for the 3 way. It was a good game, and a textbook example of a GAR alliance. Thanks to Austria and Russia for the Alliance. it was a very very smooth alliance. We never had any major dispute. Sometimes we discussed various possibilities for orders, but it was never heated or strained (at least as far as I know!). Good game guys! I'd mentioned enjoyed my talks with England and Italy, and essentially, they and I just had different goals. I barely talked with Turkey, but I knew he was a high-ranked player, so seeing him eliminated early was a load off my mind. I wasn't sure until
the very end that he wouldn't find a way to break the alliance. Thanks to our GM for a great game. As a blitz GM I know how much time this can take. You did well! John[Reply] |
| dc407 Austrian EOG (Winter Blitz) untitled36 Mar 20, 08:56 am |
I like to give myself as many options as possible in a new game. The GAR was discussed early, but I would have preferred the EG alliance had it been possible (after the GF was very obviously not happening). Had england been willing to work against the french, I would have gone that route instead. It was only as the EF came to light that I threw myself solidly in with the GAR. As we saw in this game, a GAR is worse for the G than it it for the AR. Austria and Russia can take on turkey right away, but Russia can't immediately help against England, and can't help at all vs france. Not to diminish Russia's help, which is the only thing that kept me alive, but I just wanted to point out that, at least for me, the GAR wasn't a sure thing until the full EF was clear.
John
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Ah as I suspected.. Germany's claim that the alliance came later in the game was a bit disingenuous.. you guys were allied from the start (which was a rumour I had previously heard).
Guess I never stood much of a chance then lol..
Note to self.. dont bother playing games that are stacked against you before you write your first word ;-(
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Subject: dc407 Austrian EOG
Not got a huge amount to say beyond that which has been outlined by Germany - he approached me early on to agree we wouldn't attack each other, and my inherent belief that Turkey and Austria can never be solid allies for long was already leading me to work with Russia to knock out Turkey. As such the three way alliance started early on in the game, albeit with some slight misdirection to try and convince others that Russia and I were at loggerheads. The alliance was solid throughout the game. I wavered at one point, and almost flipped sides to work with Turkey against Russia, only changing my mind 15 minutes before the deadline and share with Russia the Turkish moves, which accelerated Turkish decline. For the first few years of the game I was on good terms with Italy, but he gradually realised that no good was coming of Turkey being knocked out by Russia and I, and after Turkey was gone it was a matter of time
before his demise.
I suspect like Germany and Russia I considered whether I could make a dash for a solo, and also considered whether one of them could as well. I think Russia had the best shot, but he stayed with the alliance, which his to his credit.
Didn't have a great deal of communication with England and France (none at all from France from memory)
I think if the other four powers had figured out what was going on a bit earlier, then they could have stopped us, whcih would have made for an interesting scenario. I get the impression that communication between the other four wasn't all it could have been - in addition, pretty much every player noted that communication with France was very poor.
Overall, happy with a three way - it's a tournament, so it sets each of us up in good stead for Round 2. Suggestions that a three way isn't an achievement if agreed from the start doesn't wash for me - it just so happened that an alliance developed in the first year lasted through to the end of the game. I didn't see any good opportunities to stab and shoot for a solo or a two way, so there wasn't exactly much incentive for me to break the alliance.
Michael
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Subject: dc407 German EOG
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I started the blitz with the grand plan to blitz England with France's help, and hopefully get Russia to at least bounce England in Norway, making it a simple, quick conquest. After the fall of England, France would sweep into the med while I rolled East, and eventually we would have a two way GF draw, or maybe I could even earn the solo. That was the great plan. The issue was France would barely talk to me, much less commit to any such alliance. If fact, it became clear he was out to get me. In the process of negotiations, I found I enjoyed chatting with England, and I proposed my second great plan, Work with England Vs France. However, England was far more concerned about Russia, and was unwilling to intervene on the continent. So that was strike two. Meanwhile, I'd hit it off with Russia. We knew each other from a previous Haven Variant. In that game we were enemies, and I tried to get him to betray his allies then, and he wouldn't do it,
so I pegged him as a good potential ally for this game. I also favorable contact with Austria, so the three of us formed the GAR alliance. Austria and I had the general dmz, so mainly we just watched each other's back, while Russia worked with both us us in the north and south. As a side note here, I initially had good discussions with Italy, but at the crucial moment Italy went east to help Turkey instead of moving west to help vs france. So I essentially felt it was Me vs E/F with my only possible salvation being Russia. As the game moved on, and Russia kept growing while I was locked in mortal combat with France, I feared Russia would stab, but I didn't really have any other option than to trust him. I had the proverbial tiger by the tail, and I had to hold on for dear life. Eventually, though, I began to grow, and by that point the game was pretty well done. I got some flak from a couple players about "settling" for the 3 way. For me, I'm just
tickled to have survived. As a German with antagonistic French and aloof English, I wasn't sure I'd pull through. I think only Russia really had the opportunity to solo this one. I figure he was afraid Austria and I would team up and defeat him. Or maybe he was just that much of a team player. I feel like I did the best I could with the hand dealt to me, and I'm proud to "settle" for the 3 way. It was a good game, and a textbook example of a GAR alliance. Thanks to Austria and Russia for the Alliance. it was a very very smooth alliance. We never had any major dispute. Sometimes we discussed various possibilities for orders, but it was never heated or strained (at least as far as I know!). Good game guys! I'd mentioned enjoyed my talks with England and Italy, and essentially, they and I just had different goals. I barely talked with Turkey, but I knew he was a high-ranked player, so seeing him eliminated early was a load off my mind. I wasn't sure until
the very end that he wouldn't find a way to break the alliance. Thanks to our GM for a great game. As a blitz GM I know how much time this can take. You did well! John |
| DC412 - Game Over! Germany EGS - micoxy (Mar 20, 2012, 8:18 am) |
Firstly let me thank Chris for Gming the game so well & his quips on how he interpreted the moves.
Initially I had written to both England & France to see if I could make an alliance with either of them. To be honest, I was hoping to work with France rather than England, but I had a gut feeling after the initial correspondence that England would be a more solid ally & as it proved, I was right.
Got off to a flyer with 3 builds after the first year, but then had to move east earlier than I had wanted, as Russia was very nervous & told me he would be moving to Sil. I was hoping to ally with Russia to move against England once France was finished, but that wasn't to be.
Early on, (in my opinion) it looked like E, G & I would end up against A, T & R.
Once A was on his way out I wrote to him a number of times to see if we could cooperate against R/T, but he never bothered to reply.
Once A & F were out & R was a spent force, T & I tried so hard to get me to stab E (& I must admit, I came very close to doing so) but in the end decided it was not worth handing a 2 way draw to I/T & settled for "the bird in the hand"
A big thanks to E who proved to be a good ally, who early on had a chance to stab me in the "Low Countries", but refused the temptation. Thanks to everyone else & best of luck to you all in round 2.
Mick
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Subject: DC412 - Game Over!
Greetings, Gentlemen.
The votes are in and the AYES have it! The DIAS passes. Our official result is a 4-way draw including England, Germany, Italy and Turkey.
Final SC Tally:
England ( : Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Moscow, Norway, Portugal, St Petersburg, Sweden.
Germany (9): Belgium, Berlin, Brest, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich, Paris, Warsaw.
Italy (7): Marseilles, Naples, Rome, Spain, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Turkey (10): Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece, Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Vienna.
I'll have the results posted to the DC site shortly.
I want to congratulate Mick, Nick, Eric and Steve for a job well-done. That was as solid an EG as I've ever seen. You quickly got over the stalemate line and pretty much forced the east to resolve as it did with Italy and Turkey set against you. In my experience, it is a rare thing to see a IT pairing last into the mid-game, but there was little choice in this game. Any break between those two and EG would have swept the board. There might have been a chance in there somewhere for E or G to stab the other and try for the solo or a strong 3-way, but it would have been a risky proposition. As it stands now, I'd say it will difficult but still possible for one of you to win the tournament. A solo in round 2 would give you a few fractions of a point less than when I won two years ago.
Naturally, EOG statements are encouraged. Please send directly to the group, and go ahead and include the blitzforum address, as well. There are actually Dip junkies out there that want to hear what you have to say.
Finally, I'd like to thank all of you for being a great group to GM. Only one NMR, and only one or two times where people were in slightly late. If you've ever GM'ed, you know what a hassle it is trying to track down missing orders. I really appreciate that there was very little of that in this game. Best of luck to everyone in Round 2. See you around!
Cheers,
Chris[Reply] |
| DC412 - Game Over! - bret_pollack (Mar 20, 2012, 7:39 am) |
guess they all wnated me out eh.
[Reply] |
| DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But No... - garry.bledsoe (Mar 20, 2012, 7:15 am) |
One was proposed
On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Dorian Love <dlove(at)roedeanschool.co.za> wrote:
Can I propose a DIAS vote for the Fall?
Dorian Love
ICT & English Teacher
Roedean School (SA)
(at)Love_DA
Tel: +27 (011) 647-3200
Fax: + 27 (086) 589-0231
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From: garry b [mailto:kielmarch(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:08 AM
To: amtrating(at)gmail.com; blueraider0(at)gmail.com; briankingfox(at)hotmail.com; tim_crosby(at)hotmail.com; johnston.scott(at)comcast.net; mrh(at)panix.com; Dorian Love; WB Orders; coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But Not Due to a Draw Just Yet!
Turkey Inches Closer to The Magic Number...
Or At Least to a Pretty Large SC Count for a Draw!
Our EGPs Both Fail
We Have a Lot of New Ones Though
Will Russia Live to See the End?
Oh...and We Have Retreats Needed!
All,
It seems that Cory needed my glorious services again (and by glorious I mean free of course, especially given his dentist visit!).
Unfortunately I could not get Cory a end-game last time I showed up but maybe I can this time. But before that let's go retreat-style (due tomorrow afternoon at Cory's regular time):
Turk F Spa(sc) can retreat to GOL or OTB
German A Mun can retreat to Kie, Sil, Ber or OTB
Now, our second order of business - EGPs. Remember to vote on each. A non-vote is a NO vote. Votes are due with Fall on Thursday.
DIAS (draw including all survivors)
E/T
E/T/G/I
E/T/G
Wow...what's missing? Heck I propose a Russian solo at this point. Everybody getting in on the act.
Good luck. Should be an interesting finish.
Garry (Your Sub-GM)
England:
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - Ruhr
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London Hold
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports A Marseilles - Spain (*Cut*)
F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy
F Sweden Hold
Germany:
A Gascony Supports A Marseilles - Spain
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Prussia - Baltic Sea
A Silesia - Bohemia
A St Petersburg - Livonia
Italy:
A Marseilles - Spain
F Portugal Supports A Marseilles - Spain
Russia:
A Vienna - Galicia
A Warsaw - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Bohemia - Munich
A Budapest - Vienna
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
A Rumania - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
A Serbia - Budapest
F Sevastopol - Armenia
F Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste Supports A Budapest - Vienna
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
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| SV: dc407 Blitz DIAS passes!: England mini EOG - rickyp (Mar 20, 2012, 4:31 am) |
lol... well I think John has a point (I guess no one wanted to win a game designed to be won).
I enjoyed reading Germanys end game.. I think I was outplayed to be honest.. kudos to Russia for some excellent tactics.
Thanks go to France who I really got on well with.. in another game we could be excellent allies.
I quite enjoyed chatting to Germany.. but as you say our aims were never aligned for long enough.. but if our paths cross again I think we have enough common ground to establish some rapport.
As for the rest of you I didnt really get to chat to you much but there was no one I didnt like.. Thanks to the GM(s) who kept the game smooth and I hope to see you all again another day.
From: John Robillard <john.robillard(at)telia.com>
To: 'Jerome Payne' <jerome777(at)ymail.com>; derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com; hurup(at)pc.dk; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; psychosis(at)sky.com; rick_powell_2000(at)yahoo.com; untitled36(at)hotmail.com
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Sent: Tuesday, 20 March 2012, 9:20
Subject: SV: dc407 Blitz DIAS passes!
Hi there,
Personally, I do not think that a three-way draw is anything to be congratulated for, if that three-way draw is negotiated from early in the game. Call me old-fashioned, but a three-way draw should be something one is forced into, otherwise it is just the refuge of players who know they are not good enough to win on their own and will do anything rather than be eliminated. It is boring Diplomacy for the faint of heart.
John
[Reply] |
| SV: dc407 Blitz DIAS passes! - bunwarpgazoo (Mar 20, 2012, 4:20 am) |
| Hi there,Personally, I do not think that a three-way draw is anything to be congratulated for, if that three-way draw is negotiated from early in the game. Call me old-fashioned, but a three-way draw should be something one is forced into, otherwise it is just the refuge of players who know they are not good enough to win on their own and will do anything rather than be eliminated. It is boring Diplomacy for the faint of heart. John [Reply] |
| DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But No... - stendaswargames (Mar 20, 2012, 1:07 am) |
Can I propose a DIAS vote for the Fall?
Dorian Love
ICT & English Teacher
Roedean School (SA)
(at)Love_DA
Tel: +27 (011) 647-3200
Fax: + 27 (086) 589-0231
From: garry b [mailto:kielmarch(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:08 AM
To: amtrating(at)gmail.com; blueraider0(at)gmail.com; briankingfox(at)hotmail.com; tim_crosby(at)hotmail.com; johnston.scott(at)comcast.net; mrh(at)panix.com; Dorian Love; WB Orders; coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But Not Due to a Draw Just Yet!
Turkey Inches Closer to The Magic Number...
Or At Least to a Pretty Large SC Count for a Draw!
Our EGPs Both Fail
We Have a Lot of New Ones Though
Will Russia Live to See the End?
Oh...and We Have Retreats Needed!
All,
It seems that Cory needed my glorious services again (and by glorious I mean free of course, especially given his dentist visit!).
Unfortunately I could not get Cory a end-game last time I showed up but maybe I can this time. But before that let's go retreat-style (due tomorrow afternoon at Cory's regular time):
Turk F Spa(sc) can retreat to GOL or OTB
German A Mun can retreat to Kie, Sil, Ber or OTB
Now, our second order of business - EGPs. Remember to vote on each. A non-vote is a NO vote. Votes are due with Fall on Thursday.
DIAS (draw including all survivors)
E/T
E/T/G/I
E/T/G
Wow...what's missing? Heck I propose a Russian solo at this point. Everybody getting in on the act.
Good luck. Should be an interesting finish.
Garry (Your Sub-GM)
England:
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - Ruhr
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London Hold
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports A Marseilles - Spain (*Cut*)
F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy
F Sweden Hold
Germany:
A Gascony Supports A Marseilles - Spain
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Prussia - Baltic Sea
A Silesia - Bohemia
A St Petersburg - Livonia
Italy:
A Marseilles - Spain
F Portugal Supports A Marseilles - Spain
Russia:
A Vienna - Galicia
A Warsaw - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Bohemia - Munich
A Budapest - Vienna
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
A Rumania - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
A Serbia - Budapest
F Sevastopol - Armenia
F Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste Supports A Budapest - Vienna
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
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| DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But No... - Blueraider0 (Mar 19, 2012, 9:41 pm) |
Retreat to Ber!
-Maslow
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:07 PM, garry b <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
Turkey Inches Closer to The Magic Number...Or At Least to a Pretty Large SC Count for a Draw!Our EGPs Both Fail
We Have a Lot of New Ones ThoughWill Russia Live to See the End?Oh...and We Have Retreats Needed!
All,It seems that Cory needed my glorious services again (and by glorious I mean free of course, especially given his dentist visit!).
Unfortunately I could not get Cory a end-game last time I showed up but maybe I can this time. But before that let's go retreat-style (due tomorrow afternoon at Cory's regular time):
Turk F Spa(sc) can retreat to GOL or OTBGerman A Mun can retreat to Kie, Sil, Ber or OTB
Now, our second order of business - EGPs. Remember to vote on each. A non-vote is a NO vote. Votes are due with Fall on Thursday.
DIAS (draw including all survivors)E/TE/T/G/IE/T/G
Wow...what's missing? Heck I propose a Russian solo at this point. Everybody getting in on the act.
Good luck. Should be an interesting finish.
Garry (Your Sub-GM)
England: F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - RuhrF Liverpool - Irish SeaA London HoldF Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports A Marseilles - Spain (*Cut*)F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Norway - North SeaA Paris - BurgundyF Sweden Hold
Germany: A Gascony Supports A Marseilles - SpainA Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Prussia - Baltic SeaA Silesia - BohemiaA St Petersburg - Livonia
Italy: A Marseilles - SpainF Portugal Supports A Marseilles - Spain
Russia: A Vienna - GaliciaA Warsaw - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
Turkey: F Adriatic Sea - Ionian SeaA Ankara - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Bohemia - MunichA Budapest - ViennaA Constantinople - BulgariaF Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian SeaF North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)A Rumania - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
A Serbia - BudapestF Sevastopol - ArmeniaF Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles (*Dislodged*)A Trieste Supports A Budapest - ViennaA Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
--
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. and sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing. The shadow, even the darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you - That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn't. They kept going because they were holding onto something."
"What are we holding onto, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for."[Reply] |
| DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But No... - garry.bledsoe (Mar 19, 2012, 9:07 pm) |
Turkey Inches Closer to The Magic Number...Or At Least to a Pretty Large SC Count for a Draw!Our EGPs Both FailWe Have a Lot of New Ones ThoughWill Russia Live to See the End?Oh...and We Have Retreats Needed!
All,It seems that Cory needed my glorious services again (and by glorious I mean free of course, especially given his dentist visit!).
Unfortunately I could not get Cory a end-game last time I showed up but maybe I can this time. But before that let's go retreat-style (due tomorrow afternoon at Cory's regular time):
Turk F Spa(sc) can retreat to GOL or OTBGerman A Mun can retreat to Kie, Sil, Ber or OTB
Now, our second order of business - EGPs. Remember to vote on each. A non-vote is a NO vote. Votes are due with Fall on Thursday.
DIAS (draw including all survivors)E/TE/T/G/IE/T/G
Wow...what's missing? Heck I propose a Russian solo at this point. Everybody getting in on the act.
Good luck. Should be an interesting finish.
Garry (Your Sub-GM)
England: F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic OceanA Burgundy - RuhrF Liverpool - Irish SeaA London HoldF Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports A Marseilles - Spain (*Cut*)F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Mid-Atlantic OceanF Norway - North SeaA Paris - BurgundyF Sweden Hold
Germany: A Gascony Supports A Marseilles - SpainA Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)F Prussia - Baltic SeaA Silesia - BohemiaA St Petersburg - Livonia
Italy: A Marseilles - SpainF Portugal Supports A Marseilles - Spain
Russia: A Vienna - GaliciaA Warsaw - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
Turkey: F Adriatic Sea - Ionian SeaA Ankara - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - SevastopolA Bohemia - MunichA Budapest - ViennaA Constantinople - BulgariaF Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian SeaF North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)A Rumania - Ukraine (*Bounce*)A Serbia - BudapestF Sevastopol - ArmeniaF Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles (*Dislodged*)A Trieste Supports A Budapest - ViennaA Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - MunichF Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean[Reply] |
| DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But Not Due to a Draw Just Yet! (Winter Blitz) Blueraider0 Mar 19, 09:41 pm |
Retreat to Ber!
-Maslow
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 6:07 PM, garry b <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com> wrote:
Turkey Inches Closer to The Magic Number...Or At Least to a Pretty Large SC Count for a Draw!Our EGPs Both Fail
We Have a Lot of New Ones ThoughWill Russia Live to See the End?Oh...and We Have Retreats Needed!
All,It seems that Cory needed my glorious services again (and by glorious I mean free of course, especially given his dentist visit!).
Unfortunately I could not get Cory a end-game last time I showed up but maybe I can this time. But before that let's go retreat-style (due tomorrow afternoon at Cory's regular time):
Turk F Spa(sc) can retreat to GOL or OTBGerman A Mun can retreat to Kie, Sil, Ber or OTB
Now, our second order of business - EGPs. Remember to vote on each. A non-vote is a NO vote. Votes are due with Fall on Thursday.
DIAS (draw including all survivors)E/TE/T/G/IE/T/G
Wow...what's missing? Heck I propose a Russian solo at this point. Everybody getting in on the act.
Good luck. Should be an interesting finish.
Garry (Your Sub-GM)
England: F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - RuhrF Liverpool - Irish SeaA London HoldF Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports A Marseilles - Spain (*Cut*)F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Norway - North SeaA Paris - BurgundyF Sweden Hold
Germany: A Gascony Supports A Marseilles - SpainA Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Prussia - Baltic SeaA Silesia - BohemiaA St Petersburg - Livonia
Italy: A Marseilles - SpainF Portugal Supports A Marseilles - Spain
Russia: A Vienna - GaliciaA Warsaw - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
Turkey: F Adriatic Sea - Ionian SeaA Ankara - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Bohemia - MunichA Budapest - ViennaA Constantinople - BulgariaF Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian SeaF North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)A Rumania - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
A Serbia - BudapestF Sevastopol - ArmeniaF Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles (*Dislodged*)A Trieste Supports A Budapest - ViennaA Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
--
"It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. and sometimes you didn't want to know the end because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it's only a passing thing. The shadow, even the darkness must pass. A new day will come. And when the sun shines it will shine out the clearer. Those were the stories that stayed with you - That meant something. Even if you were too small to understand why. But I think, Mr. Frodo, I do understand. I know now. Folk in those stories had lots of chances of turning back only they didn't. They kept going because they were holding onto something."
"What are we holding onto, Sam?"
"That there's some good in this world, Mr. Frodo. And it's worth fighting for." |
| DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But Not Due to a Draw Just Yet! (Winter Blitz) stendaswargames Mar 20, 01:07 am |
Can I propose a DIAS vote for the Fall?
Dorian Love
ICT & English Teacher
Roedean School (SA)
(at)Love_DA
Tel: +27 (011) 647-3200
Fax: + 27 (086) 589-0231
From: garry b [mailto:kielmarch(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:08 AM
To: amtrating(at)gmail.com; blueraider0(at)gmail.com; briankingfox(at)hotmail.com; tim_crosby(at)hotmail.com; johnston.scott(at)comcast.net; mrh(at)panix.com; Dorian Love; WB Orders; coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But Not Due to a Draw Just Yet!
Turkey Inches Closer to The Magic Number...
Or At Least to a Pretty Large SC Count for a Draw!
Our EGPs Both Fail
We Have a Lot of New Ones Though
Will Russia Live to See the End?
Oh...and We Have Retreats Needed!
All,
It seems that Cory needed my glorious services again (and by glorious I mean free of course, especially given his dentist visit!).
Unfortunately I could not get Cory a end-game last time I showed up but maybe I can this time. But before that let's go retreat-style (due tomorrow afternoon at Cory's regular time):
Turk F Spa(sc) can retreat to GOL or OTB
German A Mun can retreat to Kie, Sil, Ber or OTB
Now, our second order of business - EGPs. Remember to vote on each. A non-vote is a NO vote. Votes are due with Fall on Thursday.
DIAS (draw including all survivors)
E/T
E/T/G/I
E/T/G
Wow...what's missing? Heck I propose a Russian solo at this point. Everybody getting in on the act.
Good luck. Should be an interesting finish.
Garry (Your Sub-GM)
England:
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - Ruhr
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London Hold
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports A Marseilles - Spain (*Cut*)
F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy
F Sweden Hold
Germany:
A Gascony Supports A Marseilles - Spain
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Prussia - Baltic Sea
A Silesia - Bohemia
A St Petersburg - Livonia
Italy:
A Marseilles - Spain
F Portugal Supports A Marseilles - Spain
Russia:
A Vienna - Galicia
A Warsaw - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Bohemia - Munich
A Budapest - Vienna
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
A Rumania - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
A Serbia - Budapest
F Sevastopol - Armenia
F Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste Supports A Budapest - Vienna
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
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| DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But Not Due to a Draw Just Yet! (Winter Blitz) garry.bledsoe Mar 20, 07:15 am |
One was proposed
On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:07 AM, Dorian Love <dlove(at)roedeanschool.co.za> wrote:
Can I propose a DIAS vote for the Fall?
Dorian Love
ICT & English Teacher
Roedean School (SA)
(at)Love_DA
Tel: +27 (011) 647-3200
Fax: + 27 (086) 589-0231
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From: garry b [mailto:kielmarch(at)hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:08 AM
To: amtrating(at)gmail.com; blueraider0(at)gmail.com; briankingfox(at)hotmail.com; tim_crosby(at)hotmail.com; johnston.scott(at)comcast.net; mrh(at)panix.com; Dorian Love; WB Orders; coryfucius(at)yahoo.com
Subject: DC408: S09 Results: One Last Cameo? Perhaps But Not Due to a Draw Just Yet!
Turkey Inches Closer to The Magic Number...
Or At Least to a Pretty Large SC Count for a Draw!
Our EGPs Both Fail
We Have a Lot of New Ones Though
Will Russia Live to See the End?
Oh...and We Have Retreats Needed!
All,
It seems that Cory needed my glorious services again (and by glorious I mean free of course, especially given his dentist visit!).
Unfortunately I could not get Cory a end-game last time I showed up but maybe I can this time. But before that let's go retreat-style (due tomorrow afternoon at Cory's regular time):
Turk F Spa(sc) can retreat to GOL or OTB
German A Mun can retreat to Kie, Sil, Ber or OTB
Now, our second order of business - EGPs. Remember to vote on each. A non-vote is a NO vote. Votes are due with Fall on Thursday.
DIAS (draw including all survivors)
E/T
E/T/G/I
E/T/G
Wow...what's missing? Heck I propose a Russian solo at this point. Everybody getting in on the act.
Good luck. Should be an interesting finish.
Garry (Your Sub-GM)
England:
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Burgundy - Ruhr
F Liverpool - Irish Sea
A London Hold
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports A Marseilles - Spain (*Cut*)
F North Atlantic Ocean Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Norway - North Sea
A Paris - Burgundy
F Sweden Hold
Germany:
A Gascony Supports A Marseilles - Spain
A Moscow - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Bohemia (*Dislodged*)
F Prussia - Baltic Sea
A Silesia - Bohemia
A St Petersburg - Livonia
Italy:
A Marseilles - Spain
F Portugal Supports A Marseilles - Spain
Russia:
A Vienna - Galicia
A Warsaw - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
Turkey:
F Adriatic Sea - Ionian Sea
A Ankara - Sevastopol (*Bounce*)
F Black Sea Convoys A Ankara - Sevastopol
A Bohemia - Munich
A Budapest - Vienna
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Fails*)
A Rumania - Ukraine (*Bounce*)
A Serbia - Budapest
F Sevastopol - Armenia
F Spain(sc) Supports A Marseilles (*Dislodged*)
A Trieste Supports A Budapest - Vienna
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
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| DC 409: Spring 1909 Adjudication - AceRimmer (Mar 19, 2012, 7:39 pm) |
My apologies for the late adjudication tonight; I had some minor yet annoying computer troubles. On the bright side, there are no retreats, so everything's still on track for Thursday.
Ah! Sweet, quiet treachery! Well, that's what it looks like, at least. An Italian who told Turkey one thing and then quietly, duplicitously enabled something quite different.
Germany re-occupies Trieste without opposition! France conquers Naples! The Turks and Italians bounce in Ionian! It sucks to be Gareth. But, here's the question I have: can France and Germany sustain a two-player alliance all the way to 17-all? Don't know. But we'll find out soon enough.
No retreats. Orders due on Thursday.
Spring 1909 Adjudication:
Austria:
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Ukraine Supports A Silesia - Galicia
A Vienna Supports A Galicia - Budapest
France:
A Burgundy Hold
F English Channel - North Sea (*Bounce*)
F Gulf of Lyon - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Marseilles - Piedmont
A Piedmont - Tuscany
A Rome Supports F Tyrrhenian Sea - Naples
F Spain(sc) Hold
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Naples
F Western Mediterranean - Tunis (*Fails*)
A Yorkshire Hold
Germany:
A Berlin - Munich
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Galicia (*Fails*)
F Denmark - North Sea (*Bounce*)
A Galicia - Budapest (*Fails*)
A Munich - Tyrolia
A Silesia - Galicia (*Fails*)
F St Petersburg(nc) Hold
A Tyrolia - Trieste
Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Supports F Naples - Ionian Sea
F Naples - Ionian Sea (*Disbanded*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea (*Bounce*)
F Albania Supports F Adriatic Sea - Trieste (*Void*)
F Apulia Supports F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Budapest Supports A Vienna (*Cut*)
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Rumania Hold
A Serbia Supports A Budapest
A Sevastopol Hold
F Venice Supports F Adriatic Sea - Trieste (*Void*)[Reply] |
| DC412 - Game Over! - Corrino (Mar 19, 2012, 5:55 pm) |
Greetings, Gentlemen.
The votes are in and the AYES have it! The DIAS passes. Our official result is a 4-way draw including England, Germany, Italy and Turkey.
Final SC Tally:
England (: Edinburgh, Liverpool, London, Moscow, Norway, Portugal, St Petersburg, Sweden.
Germany (9): Belgium, Berlin, Brest, Denmark, Holland, Kiel, Munich, Paris, Warsaw.
Italy (7): Marseilles, Naples, Rome, Spain, Trieste, Tunis, Venice.
Turkey (10): Ankara, Budapest, Bulgaria, Constantinople, Greece, Rumania, Serbia, Sevastopol, Smyrna, Vienna.
I'll have the results posted to the DC site
shortly.
I want to congratulate Mick, Nick, Eric and Steve for a job well-done. That was as solid an EG as I've ever seen. You quickly got over the stalemate line and pretty much forced the east to resolve as it did with Italy and Turkey set against you. In my experience, it is a rare thing to see a IT pairing last into the mid-game, but there was little choice in this game. Any break between those two and EG would have swept the board. There might have been a chance in there somewhere for E or G to stab the other and try for the solo or a strong 3-way, but it would have been a risky proposition. As it stands now, I'd say it will difficult but still possible for one of you to win the tournament. A solo in round 2 would give you a few fractions of a point less than when I won two years ago.
Naturally, EOG statements are encouraged. Please send directly to
the group, and go ahead and include the blitzforum address, as well. There are actually Dip junkies out there that want to hear what you have to say.
Finally, I'd like to thank all of you for being a great group to GM. Only one NMR, and only one or two times where people were in slightly late. If you've ever GM'ed, you know what a hassle it is trying to track down missing orders. I really appreciate that there was very little of that in this game. Best of luck to everyone in Round 2. See you around!
Cheers,Chris[Reply] |
| DC412 - Game Over! (Winter Blitz) bret_pollack Mar 20, 07:39 am |
guess they all wnated me out eh.
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| dc395 Autumn 12 retreats and EGP proposals - jerome777 (Mar 19, 2012, 5:23 pm) |
Hi everyone,
Here's the retreats (thanks Daniel for getting them in so quickly):
Russia:
A Belgium - Ruhr
A Munich - Bohemia
The following adjustments are needed:
Austria: Supp 7 Unit 5 Build 2
England: Supp 11 Unit 9 Build 2
France: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 9 Unit 7 Build 2
Russia: Supp 3 Unit 6 Remove 3
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1
We also have the following EGP proposals - and a new one for the Winter adjustment deadline. Remember, I need 'yes' votes from you all to carry either one or the other of these proposals.
The proposals are:
England Solo.
Three-way draw AEI.
Draw including all survivors (DIAS).
Please include votes for these EGP proposals in either your retreat orders, or your winter adjustment orders. I'll adjudicate the draw proposals with the Winter 12 adjustments.
Adjustments are due Wednesday 21 March, 2100GMT (together with your votes).
Best,
Jerome
--- On Mon, 19/3/12, Jerome Payne <jerome777(at)ymail.com> wrote:
From: Jerome Payne <jerome777(at)ymail.com>
Subject: dc395 Autumn 12 adjudication and EGP proposals
To: "Jerome Payne" <jerome777(at)ymail.com>, "Dave Labreche" <pebbleanddrag(at)yahoo.ca>, "Daniel Dzikowicz" <ddz999cat23(at)yahoo.com>, "Michael Sims" <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.com>, "Isaac Zinner" <isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com>, "Warren Fleming" <alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com>
Cc: "dc395 gamepage" <dc395(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Date: Monday, 19 March, 2012, 21:41
Hi everyone,
Here's the adjudication for Autumn 1912:
Austria:
A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania - Galicia
A Serbia Supports A Greece
F Venice - Trieste
England:
A Burgundy - Munich (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Belgium
A Holland - Kiel (*Bounce*)
F North Sea Supports F Skagerrak - Denmark
F Norway Supports F Sweden
A Picardy - Belgium
F Skagerrak - Denmark
A St Petersburg Supports A Moscow
F Sweden Supports F Skagerrak - Denmark
Italy:
F Aegean Sea - Ionian Sea
F Gulf of Lyon - Marseilles (*Bounce*)
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Moscow Supports A Sevastopol
A Silesia - Munich
A Spain - Marseilles (*Bounce*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
Russia:
F Baltic Sea - Berlin
A Belgium - Burgundy (*Dislodged*)
A Denmark - Kiel (*Disbanded*)
F Eastern Mediterranean - Smyrna (*Fails*)
A Livonia - Prussia
A Munich Supports A Warsaw - Silesia (*Dislodged*)
A Warsaw - Silesia
Turkey:
F Constantinople Supports A Smyrna
A Sevastopol Supports A Moscow
A Smyrna Supports F Constantinople (*Cut*)
We also have the following EGP proposals. Remember, I need 'yes' votes from you all to carry either one or the other of these proposals.
The proposals are:
England Solo
Draw including all survivors (DIAS).
Please include votes for these EGP proposals in either your retreat orders, or your winter adjustment orders. I'll adjudicate the draw proposals with the Winter 12 adjustments.
The following retreats need to be made:
Daniel, your Army Belgium retreats to Ruhr, or OTB. And your army Munich retreats to Bohemia, Ruhr, or OTB. (If you try to retreat both to Ruhr, they both move OTB).
The next deadline will be for retreats - this is tomorrow (Tuesday 20 March) at 2100GMT, though I'll adjudicate as soon as I get them. Adjustments are due Wednesday 21 March, 2100GMT (together with your votes).
Best,
Jerome
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| dc394 f09 results! 3/21 Next - FuzzyLogic (Mar 19, 2012, 5:06 pm) |
Consider it so! Faeries officially retreat to Dragon Coast. New Faerie-centric map attached. It’s sort of like looking at the Earth upside down so that North America seems tiny compared to South… From: Michael Penner [mailto:mvpenner(at)yahoo.com]
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Subject: Re: dc394 f09 results! 3/21 Next Actually, I retreat to Dragon Coast. That sounds like a much cooler place to die. mvp From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.com>
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Subject: dc394 f09 results! 3/21 Next After a long, hard fought war, the Faeries are eliminated! Michael, thank you for a good battle to the death... Pirates and Gnomes also take a beating, going a combined -5 this round... NEXT: Builds due Wed 3/21, 3pm Central! RETREAT! Faerie A Ggl can't save a center, so we'll just take it OTB.Gnome A Khemri can only retreat to Daniloth so I'll just move it.
Pirate F Rohan can only retreat to Rivendell so I'll just move it. BUILD! Rogues: Build 4
Hobbits: Build 2
Knights: Build 2Dwarves: Build 1 Elves: Build 1 Gnomes: Remove 3
Pirates: Remove 2Leprechauns: Remove 1 ORDERS! Dwarves:
A Mount Nimro Supports A Spirit Pond - Hollow Earth (*Disbanded*)
A Knockshegowna Supports A Allerleirauh
A Lubrick Supports A Fitzgibbon - Tuatha
A Fitzgibbon - Tuatha
A Spirit Pond - Hollow Earth
A Hoarluk, no move received
A Allerleirauh Supports A Knockshegowna
A Temple of Doom - Carpantha
A Snow Witch - Devils Canyon
A Venatori Umbrarum - Undermountain
F RAZORS EDGE - CHURNING REACH (*Fails*) Elves:
F Lankhmar - THREE RIVER LAKE
A Waterdeep Supports A Candlekeep (*Ordered to Move*)
A City of Splendors - Faerun
A Fafhrd - Hoarluk (*Fails*)
F Florin - SOUTH RAINBOW LAKE
A Cormyr Hold
A Silvanesti - Dhunia
F RIFT CANYON - Fantastica
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports A Zhentil Keep - Great Glacier
F ROARING RAPIDS Supports F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Supports A Silvanesti - DhuniaFaeries:
A Great Glacier - Zhentil Keep (*Dislodged*) Gnomes:
A Brennin - Sleepy Hollow (*Fails*)
A Khemri Supports A Elephant Graveyard - Hundred Acre Wood (*Dislodged*)
F Newa River Supports A Elephant Graveyard - Hundred Acre Wood (*Cut*)
A Troldhaugen Supports F Newa River
A Elephant Graveyard - Hundred Acre Wood
F SABLES SWAMP Supports A Brennin - Sleepy Hollow (*Cut*)
F TROG BOG Supports A Troldhaugen Hobbits:
A Mordor - Rohan
A Fjord Hold
A Baldurs Gate Hold
A Candlekeep - Mordor
F Travers Town - The Neverwood
A Zhentil Keep - Great Glacier
F The High Way - Never Never Land (*Fails*)
F RESTLESS WATERS - Land Ho (*Bounce*)
F BABEL BEACH - Lindon
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS Supports A Mordor - Rohan Knights:
F Prydain - HORNED BAY
A Paras Derval - Brennin (*Bounce*)
A Diamond Mines Supports A Carpantha - Spirit Pond
A Hundred Acre Wood - Khemri
F Starkadh Supports A Drynwyn - Hundred Acre Wood (*Void*)
A Sleepy Hollow Supports A Hundred Acre Wood - Khemri (*Cut*)
F Owlwood - SABLES SWAMP (*Fails*)
A Cave of Ordeals - Newa River (*Fails*)
A Merrow - Tuatha (*Bounce*)
A Drynwyn, no move received
A Gwynir Supports A Hundred Acre Wood - Khemri
F Andarien Plain Hold
A Pendaran Wood - Brennin (*Bounce*)
A Dragons Teeth Mtns - Khaz Modan
F Cliffs of Insanity Supports A Myth Drannor
A Port Ghaast - Mount Nimro
A Tymwyvenne - Cave of Ordeals (*Fails*)
A Carpantha - Spirit Pond
A Twisted Tunnels - Snow Witch
F CHURNING REACH Convoys A Port Ghaast - Mount Nimro
F RUGGED COAST - Myth Drannor (*Fails*) Leprechauns:
F Terabithia Supports F THUNDERHEAD
A Myrtle - Tuatha (*Bounce*) Pirates:
F Llyr - Endor
F Rohan - SEA OF FALLEN STARS (*Dislodged*)
F Pans Labyrinth - The High Way (*Fails*)
F Grendel - HIGH SEAS
A Ansalon - Fjord (*Fails*)
F Never Never Land Supports F HIGH SEAS - WAY THE HECK (*Cut*)
F Slightly Gulch Supports A Neverpeak Mtn
A Neverpeak Mtn Hold
A Avalon Supports A Drynwyn - Hundred Acre Wood (*Void*)
A Myth Drannor Hold
A Critter Country - Loxley
F GRIEF REEF Supports A Cave of Ordeals - Newa River
F HIGH SEAS - WAY THE HECK
F WAY THE HECK - Enchanted Isles
F BIKINI BOTTOM Convoys A Ansalon - Fjord
F PIRATE SHOALS - Land Ho (*Bounce*) Rogues:
A Grissel Supports F Owlwood (*Ordered to Move*)
A Tarsis, no move received
A Ashan - Kender
A The Julianthes - Uhl Belk
A Pygmy - Sorrows End
A Plains of Dust Supports A Immoren - Grendel
A Abby Normal - Kahvi
A Immoren - Grendel
A Daisy Meadows - Walk of Clouds
A Pwyll - Thra
F BEAVERSDAM - Orboros
F TILVA STRAIT Convoys A Daisy Meadows - Walk of Clouds
F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS - RIVER STYX
F EAST SEA OF SHADOWS - WEST SEA OF SHADOWS
F THUNDERHEAD, no move received
F SAVAGE SEA Convoys A The Julianthes - Uhl Belk
F ZEBOIMS DEEP Convoys A The Julianthes - Uhl Belk
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN Supports A Port Ghaast - Mount Nimro Trolls:
F Krynn Hold
F Everglot Supports F Skellington
F Skellington Supports F Everglot [Reply] |
| dc407 German EOG - untitled36 (Mar 19, 2012, 4:43 pm) |
I started the blitz with the grand plan to blitz England with France's help, and hopefully get Russia to at least bounce England in Norway, making it a simple, quick conquest. After the fall of England, France would sweep into the med while I rolled East, and eventually we would have a two way GF draw, or maybe I could even earn the solo. That was the great plan. The issue was France would barely talk to me, much less commit to any such alliance. If fact, it became clear he was out to get me. In the process of negotiations, I found I enjoyed chatting with England, and I proposed my second great plan, Work with England Vs France. However, England was far more concerned about Russia, and was unwilling to intervene on the continent. So that was strike two.
Meanwhile, I'd hit it off with Russia. We knew each other from a previous Haven Variant. In that game we were enemies, and I tried to get him to betray his allies then, and he wouldn't do it, so I pegged him as a good potential ally for this game. I also favorable contact with Austria, so the three of us formed the GAR alliance. Austria and I had the general dmz, so mainly we just watched each other's back, while Russia worked with both us us in the north and south.
As a side note here, I initially had good discussions with Italy, but at the crucial moment Italy went east to help Turkey instead of moving west to help vs france. So I essentially felt it was Me vs E/F with my only possible salvation being Russia.
As the game moved on, and Russia kept growing while I was locked in mortal combat with France, I feared Russia would stab, but I didn't really have any other option than to trust him. I had the proverbial tiger by the tail, and I had to hold on for dear life. Eventually, though, I began to grow, and by that point the game was pretty well done.
I got some flak from a couple players about "settling" for the 3 way. For me, I'm just tickled to have survived. As a German with antagonistic French and aloof English, I wasn't sure I'd pull through. I think only Russia really had the opportunity to solo this one. I figure he was afraid Austria and I would team up and defeat him. Or maybe he was just that much of a team player. I feel like I did the best I could with the hand dealt to me, and I'm proud to "settle" for the 3 way.
It was a good game, and a textbook example of a GAR alliance. Thanks to Austria and Russia for the Alliance. it was a very very smooth alliance. We never had any major dispute. Sometimes we discussed various possibilities for orders, but it was never heated or strained (at least as far as I know!). Good game guys!
I'd mentioned enjoyed my talks with England and Italy, and essentially, they and I just had different goals. I barely talked with Turkey, but I knew he was a high-ranked player, so seeing him eliminated early was a load off my mind. I wasn't sure until the very end that he wouldn't find a way to break the alliance.
Thanks to our GM for a great game. As a blitz GM I know how much time this can take. You did well!
John[Reply] |
