| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question - Blueraider0 (Nov 12, 2010, 2:07 am) |
I won't spoil any of the opinions Adam and I have in store, but I was reviewing the rules per Michael's reference, and found this gem:
"The province to which a unit is providing support must be one[Reply] |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:14 am |
Maslow, I'd say that your question is rendered moot by the section of the rules entitled:
"Support" Cannot Be Convoyed.
At least that puzzle is easily solved  |
| dc330: Fa44 Results! - DrSwordopolis (Nov 12, 2010, 2:02 am) |
[Reply] |
| dc340 DCI 2010 - S04 Results: Not Dead Yet...I Thi... - garry.bledsoe (Nov 12, 2010, 12:06 am) |
Poland Rolls Into Gda Showing He Isn't Dead Quite Yet
He Receives Help Too
But Don't Cry for Burgundy...He Moves Into The French Riviera
[b]Good Money Says Spain Will Survive 04[Reply] |
| DC 341: Deadline Tomorrow - AceRimmer (Nov 11, 2010, 8:43 pm) |
| Late reminder, but the deadline is tomorrow (Friday) at 10:00 a.m. CST (16:00 GMT). [Reply] |
| dc330: Fa44 Results! - dknemeyer (Nov 11, 2010, 7:01 pm) |
Since you sent this to the list, consider them submitted. There are now three things to vote on:
3-way IPT
4-way BIPT
DIAS
Dirk
On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:56 PM, DavidCheGould wrote:
Dirk,
Am I[Reply] |
| Fwd: dc330: Fa44 Results! - dknemeyer (Nov 11, 2010, 6:59 pm) |
Hi Everyone,
Actually the Soviets DO have a retreat that keeps them in the game, into vacant Stalingrad! Duh.
So an additional retreat is for the not-yet-eliminated Soviets: can retreat to St[Reply] |
| dc330: Fa44 Results! - raistlin (Nov 11, 2010, 6:56 pm) |
Dirk,
Am I able to submit two other draw proposals: a DIAS and a four-way excluding Spain?
David
---- Dirk Knemeyer
wrote:
Friends,
As the war closes in on its tenth year, will the belligere[Reply] |
| dc330: Fa44 Results! - dknemeyer (Nov 11, 2010, 6:35 pm) |
Friends,
As the war closes in on its tenth year, will the belligerents reach an accord and find peace?
Of course not!
Another season of bloodshed is upon us...and unfortunately that mar[Reply] |
| dc330: Fa44 Results! (dc330) raistlin Nov 11, 06:56 pm |
Dirk,
Am I able to submit two other draw proposals: a DIAS and a four-way excluding Spain?
David
---- Dirk Knemeyer
wrote:
Friends,
As the war closes in on its tenth year, will the belligere |
| dc330: Fa44 Results! (dc330) dknemeyer Nov 11, 07:01 pm |
Since you sent this to the list, consider them submitted. There are now three things to vote on:
3-way IPT
4-way BIPT
DIAS
Dirk
On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:56 PM, DavidCheGould wrote:
Dirk,
Am I |
| dc330: Fa44 Results! (dc330) DrSwordopolis Nov 12, 02:02 am |
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| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question - garry.bledsoe (Nov 11, 2010, 3:29 pm) |
| So I have a bit of a different take. I think that the rules are only sort of black and white because they still require a GM to make a decision - does a typo/mistake by the player allow a unit to hold [Reply] |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 12, 02:07 am |
I won't spoil any of the opinions Adam and I have in store, but I was reviewing the rules per Michael's reference, and found this gem:
"The province to which a unit is providing support must be one |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:14 am |
Maslow, I'd say that your question is rendered moot by the section of the rules entitled:
"Support" Cannot Be Convoyed.
At least that puzzle is easily solved |
| DC329 COL DONE JUSTIN CONFIRMS B/F OK - Sean2010 (Nov 11, 2010, 3:11 pm) |
Hello Everyone,
Thank you Michael Boutot for GMing this one.
Congratulations to Garry and Bil on their dual monarchy.
My memory is fuzzy here, so I'll try provid[Reply] |
| DC329 COL DONE JUSTIN CONFIRMS B/F OK - DrSwordopolis (Nov 11, 2010, 2:39 pm) |
Huh.
Well, thanks for the survival, guys. I really didn't expect (my) draw proposal to go through! This game was very well-played by Garry and Bill, and they deserve the draw. And the rest of u[Reply] |
| DC329 COL DONE JUSTIN CONFIRMS B/F OK - vegas_iwish (Nov 11, 2010, 1:44 pm) |
| Congrats to winners & all players. Will adj the game info on DC in a few days & wrap things up. [Reply] |
| DC329 COL DONE JUSTIN CONFIRMS B/F OK (dc329) DrSwordopolis Nov 11, 02:39 pm |
Huh.
Well, thanks for the survival, guys. I really didn't expect (my) draw proposal to go through! This game was very well-played by Garry and Bill, and they deserve the draw. And the rest of u |
| DC329 COL DONE JUSTIN CONFIRMS B/F OK (dc329) Sean2010 Nov 11, 03:11 pm |
Hello Everyone,
Thank you Michael Boutot for GMing this one.
Congratulations to Garry and Bil on their dual monarchy.
My memory is fuzzy here, so I'll try provid |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question - s2000chops (Nov 11, 2010, 11:25 am) |
I think, for the same reason, that order #2 (with A Bel - Par) should also be valid. Par is not a valid destination from Belgium, so the move is invalid and the unit holds.
The NAF case is the tric[Reply] |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) garry.bledsoe Nov 11, 03:29 pm |
| So I have a bit of a different take. I think that the rules are only sort of black and white because they still require a GM to make a decision - does a typo/mistake by the player allow a unit to hold |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 12, 02:07 am |
I won't spoil any of the opinions Adam and I have in store, but I was reviewing the rules per Michael's reference, and found this gem:
"The province to which a unit is providing support must be one |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:14 am |
Maslow, I'd say that your question is rendered moot by the section of the rules entitled:
"Support" Cannot Be Convoyed.
At least that puzzle is easily solved |
| DC 345: F1902 Rabid Were-Hamsters - untitled36 (Nov 11, 2010, 8:24 am) |
| Our discussions *did* go something like that. With Hembrians speaking some foreign language and then kicking me wih their collective shoe. Yet the Were-Hamsters shall rise again! [Reply] |
| DC344: Spring 1938 Moves - charlesf (Nov 11, 2010, 4:54 am) |
Hi guys,
perhaps there some hidden treasures just east of the map's edge?
For numerous powers are heading in that direction, perhaps most
notably Germany, It[Reply] |
| (DC 326) Gumball - Spring 1914 Results ** CORRECT... - Corrino (Nov 10, 2010, 9:58 pm) |
Hi Gang!
GM's mistake. Russia actually ordered A Sevastopol to Rumania, not Ukraine. The new result is a bounce with A Ukraine in Rumania and new ending positions for those two armies.[Reply] |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question - FuzzyLogic (Nov 10, 2010, 9:54 pm) |
Upon further review, I believe even #5 is clear:
An Army can be ordered to move into an adjacent inland or coastal province.
and...
[quote]A Fleet can be ordered to move to an[Reply] |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) s2000chops Nov 11, 11:25 am |
I think, for the same reason, that order #2 (with A Bel - Par) should also be valid. Par is not a valid destination from Belgium, so the move is invalid and the unit holds.
The NAF case is the tric |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) garry.bledsoe Nov 11, 03:29 pm |
| So I have a bit of a different take. I think that the rules are only sort of black and white because they still require a GM to make a decision - does a typo/mistake by the player allow a unit to hold |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 12, 02:07 am |
I won't spoil any of the opinions Adam and I have in store, but I was reviewing the rules per Michael's reference, and found this gem:
"The province to which a unit is providing support must be one |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:14 am |
Maslow, I'd say that your question is rendered moot by the section of the rules entitled:
"Support" Cannot Be Convoyed.
At least that puzzle is easily solved |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question - FuzzyLogic (Nov 10, 2010, 9:39 pm) |
The pertinent rules are:
[quote](1) A unit not ordered to move can be supported by a support order that only mentions its province. A unit that is ordered to hold, convoy, support, or not ordered at[Reply] |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 10, 09:54 pm |
Upon further review, I believe even #5 is clear:
An Army can be ordered to move into an adjacent inland or coastal province.
and...
[quote]A Fleet can be ordered to move to an |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) s2000chops Nov 11, 11:25 am |
I think, for the same reason, that order #2 (with A Bel - Par) should also be valid. Par is not a valid destination from Belgium, so the move is invalid and the unit holds.
The NAF case is the tric |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) garry.bledsoe Nov 11, 03:29 pm |
| So I have a bit of a different take. I think that the rules are only sort of black and white because they still require a GM to make a decision - does a typo/mistake by the player allow a unit to hold |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 12, 02:07 am |
I won't spoil any of the opinions Adam and I have in store, but I was reviewing the rules per Michael's reference, and found this gem:
"The province to which a unit is providing support must be one |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:14 am |
Maslow, I'd say that your question is rendered moot by the section of the rules entitled:
"Support" Cannot Be Convoyed.
At least that puzzle is easily solved |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:23 am |
Generally, I agree with poobaloo's interpretations.
Maslow and I did go back to the rulebook. Maslow pointed out the rule stating "An Army can be ordered to move into an adjacent inland or coastal |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 13, 12:12 am |
| Aahhhh, dang it I apparently didn't actually post my response. Crud, and it was so brilliant and funny and intellectually stunning! Well, here's take 2. And if it sucks, just know there is a better |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 15, 09:49 am |
I would argue that, since there is not an unbroken chain of fleets running from Belgium to NAf, the army's order is invalid and should be treated as A Bel Holds.
I would insist that |
| Reply notification (Community) AceRimmer Nov 15, 10:56 am |
| "I would insist that the valid set of moves for a unit are not dependent on the lack or presence of other units. I think if you order A Lon-Pic, even if there is no fleet in ENG, it is as valid a mov |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 15, 11:20 am |
| I see the logic, it just seems you should be able to determine if a unit's order is valid w/o regard for other units' positions. i.e. you can take a blank board, put a single unit on Lon and say "Is |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 19, 01:49 am |
| If that's the case, when would an order ever be invalid or illegal? I suppose attempting to move a unit that is not one's own, or ordering a unit that does not exist is invalid, But even then, you sa |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 19, 08:48 am |
We're in agreement here, no? I can't quite tell these examples are so wacky.
Therefore Lon to Bel might be illegal because of other units.
Lon-Bel is valid even if yo |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 19, 11:17 am |
Maslow, I'm going to agree with poobaloo here: your post is discussing semantics / word games.
Chiefly, you seem to be trying to define a difference between invalid and illegal. I'm guessing that |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 19, 12:05 pm |
So, perhaps, I should restate the issue at hand as I see it:
When should a GM declare that a unit's order is unadjudicable and therefore defaults to 'Unit Holds'?
Ok, so what |
| (DC 326) Gumball - Spring 1914 Results - Corrino (Nov 10, 2010, 8:34 pm) |
"Hey, Rocky! Watch me pull a rabbit out a hat!"
"Again? That trick never works."
"Nothing up my sleeve... Presto!"
"ROAR!"
"Guess I don't know my own strength."
Tonight's episode:&n[Reply] |
| DC329 COL GAME OVER? - vegas_iwish (Nov 10, 2010, 7:05 pm) |
| No orders from Justin but voted yes to any draw last time so the assumption is that stands. Please pipe up if not the case. B/F is the outcome. Will confirm when hear back or after a few days. [Reply] |
| DC 345: F1902 Rabid Were-Hamsters - AceRimmer (Nov 10, 2010, 3:42 pm) |
Tomorrow is Veteran???s Day. I won???t be around. So, Autumn 1902 retreats are due on Friday at 3:00 CST (21:00 GMT). The retreats are both from??? yup. The Were-Hamsters.
The Were-Hamster fleet[Reply] |
| DC 345: F1902 Rabid Were-Hamsters (dc345) untitled36 Nov 11, 08:24 am |
| Our discussions *did* go something like that. With Hembrians speaking some foreign language and then kicking me wih their collective shoe. Yet the Were-Hamsters shall rise again! |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question - AceRimmer (Nov 10, 2010, 10:06 am) |
| Maslow and I have been having a conversation about supports offered to invalidly ordered units. I am curious what other GMs think. Since we're soliciting opinions, we will wait a little while before [Reply] |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 10, 09:39 pm |
The pertinent rules are:
[quote](1) A unit not ordered to move can be supported by a support order that only mentions its province. A unit that is ordered to hold, convoy, support, or not ordered at |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 10, 09:54 pm |
Upon further review, I believe even #5 is clear:
An Army can be ordered to move into an adjacent inland or coastal province.
and...
[quote]A Fleet can be ordered to move to an |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) s2000chops Nov 11, 11:25 am |
I think, for the same reason, that order #2 (with A Bel - Par) should also be valid. Par is not a valid destination from Belgium, so the move is invalid and the unit holds.
The NAF case is the tric |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) garry.bledsoe Nov 11, 03:29 pm |
| So I have a bit of a different take. I think that the rules are only sort of black and white because they still require a GM to make a decision - does a typo/mistake by the player allow a unit to hold |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 12, 02:07 am |
I won't spoil any of the opinions Adam and I have in store, but I was reviewing the rules per Michael's reference, and found this gem:
"The province to which a unit is providing support must be one |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:14 am |
Maslow, I'd say that your question is rendered moot by the section of the rules entitled:
"Support" Cannot Be Convoyed.
At least that puzzle is easily solved |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 12, 10:23 am |
Generally, I agree with poobaloo's interpretations.
Maslow and I did go back to the rulebook. Maslow pointed out the rule stating "An Army can be ordered to move into an adjacent inland or coastal |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 13, 12:12 am |
| Aahhhh, dang it I apparently didn't actually post my response. Crud, and it was so brilliant and funny and intellectually stunning! Well, here's take 2. And if it sucks, just know there is a better |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 15, 09:49 am |
I would argue that, since there is not an unbroken chain of fleets running from Belgium to NAf, the army's order is invalid and should be treated as A Bel Holds.
I would insist that |
| Reply notification (Community) AceRimmer Nov 15, 10:56 am |
| "I would insist that the valid set of moves for a unit are not dependent on the lack or presence of other units. I think if you order A Lon-Pic, even if there is no fleet in ENG, it is as valid a mov |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 15, 11:20 am |
| I see the logic, it just seems you should be able to determine if a unit's order is valid w/o regard for other units' positions. i.e. you can take a blank board, put a single unit on Lon and say "Is |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) Blueraider0 Nov 19, 01:49 am |
| If that's the case, when would an order ever be invalid or illegal? I suppose attempting to move a unit that is not one's own, or ordering a unit that does not exist is invalid, But even then, you sa |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 19, 08:48 am |
We're in agreement here, no? I can't quite tell these examples are so wacky.
Therefore Lon to Bel might be illegal because of other units.
Lon-Bel is valid even if yo |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) AceRimmer Nov 19, 11:17 am |
Maslow, I'm going to agree with poobaloo here: your post is discussing semantics / word games.
Chiefly, you seem to be trying to define a difference between invalid and illegal. I'm guessing that |
| For GMs: Invalid order - Support Question (Community) FuzzyLogic Nov 19, 12:05 pm |
So, perhaps, I should restate the issue at hand as I see it:
When should a GM declare that a unit's order is unadjudicable and therefore defaults to 'Unit Holds'?
Ok, so what |
| Summer 1902 Map - bpynnonen (Nov 09, 2010, 10:08 pm) |
| The orders for Fall 1902 are due next Tuesday at midnight. [Reply] |
| DC 338 Winter 05 Results - derekthefeared2 (Nov 09, 2010, 9:58 pm) |
Here are the winter 05 results. Spring 06 will be due this Sunday at 3:00 PM US Eastern time. Farewell Turkey thanks again for playing until the end.
Austria:
Build A Vienna
Engl[Reply] |
| DC 347, Winter 1901 - alwayshunted (Nov 09, 2010, 8:31 pm) |
Hey folks,
The always anticipated first winter season.....
Spring 1902 will be due in a week, November 16, 17:00 MST. That said, I am going on vacation on Saturday, so[Reply] |
| DC 347, Winter 1901 (dc347) alwayshunted Nov 17, 04:45 pm |
Hey gang, Aloha!
Sorry for the delay, but I can't find a computer to get realpolitik on.... I will try to find a more "friendly" internet cafe, maybe on Friday.
Ha |
