You'd rather flog a dead horse of a game than accept that all of us remaining save the Dwarves have fought and earned our place in the draw?

Where are your great gains going to come from should the rest of us stop fighting? The only one with many SCs vulnerable to you is the Undead. And they are not sufficient in quantity for you to win.

Subject: RE: DC224 Spring 17: Give and Take
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:26:06 -0500
From: mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net
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You know the common theme to every one of those proposals? “O”. The Ogres are the only power who have never been on the defensive, nor had a moment of “I may actually not be in the draw”. The Ogres have had nothing but constant steady growth from an unattackable position. Yet you play kingmaker like you’re the one who gets to decide who shares the draw. When in reality it doesn’t matter who accepts your offer, you just need to keep someone attacking someone so you can continue your growth into whatever hole opens up as a result.

-mike


From: offdisc(at)gmail.com [mailtoffdisc(at)gmail.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hoffman
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:51 PM
To: Michael Sims
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Subject: Re: DC224 Spring 17: Give and Take


Fine, you want all the draw proposals out here?

Rogues: R/O/P, R/O/T, R/O/U you said no to them all.

Undead: O/U, or O/U/*

Trolls: O/T, O/U/T, O/U/T/P

Pirates: O/P, O/U/P, and once O/R/P.

But everyone was also told that O/U were connected at the hip, at least until R/F split up. I even offered to pull my fleets back away from F so that you could stab and I couldn't possibly gain from it. But you said NO and claimed it would destabilize the center. I don't see how if I wasn't in position to stab, but you've got a better sight on this game than I do. After all, you've been screaming about an Ogre Solo since I took out the Wizards.

So public show of hands now: Do you all want a draw????

Mike ---------
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
"Whenever some act of wondrous power must be performed, Michael is sent" --- Pope Saint Gregory the Great


On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])> wrote:
Oh come on Mike, who do you want out? You tell me you want an R/O/P, so what of the Faeries, Trolls and Undead? Will you state publicly the R/O/P is your goal, or is that just what you tell me privately? I like to play for a good ending as much as anyone, but any stabs in the northern 4 will lead to an Ogre solo, so we're left w a stalemate. Last time we talked you said something like "Suzanne knows what I really want". If that's the case then surely she doesnt really want an R/O/P, cuz I'm sure she's want my head on a stake. So then why make up the fake offers to me?

-mike






From: offdisc(at)gmail.com ([email]offdisc(at)gmail.com[/email]) on behalf of Mike Hoffman

Sent: Fri 3/26/2010 2:18 PM
To: Michael Sims

Subject: Re: DC224 Spring 17: Give and Take




I ordered all the units I needed to order, and one additional unit I didn't have. You telling me that not ordering Mt Nimro cost me anything? Come on.

Anyway, I'm willing to draw, but not right now. And I voted NO to the Ogre Solo, just to prove my point that a draw is my intention, but I want it down to a 4-way at best. Same as I've said all along.

Mike ---------
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
"Whenever some act of wondrous power must be performed, Michael is sent" --- Pope Saint Gregory the Great


On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net ([email]mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net[/email])> wrote:
Hoffman, would you be ok w a draw here? I'd say w the loss of WTH your chances of breaking this stalemate are gone. You're not even bothering to order a lot of your units any more.

-mike






From: Mark Smith [mailto:sandiegosmith(at)hotmail.com ([email]sandiegosmith(at)hotmail.com[/email])]
Sent: Fri 3/26/2010 12:07 PM
Subject: RE: DC224 Spring 17: Give and Take

It wasn't me as I know the game is a draw.

Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2010 00:56:36 -0600
Subject: Re: DC224 Spring 17: Give and Take

Alright, who's the wise-acre? Proposing "Ogre Solo", and it's not even April Fools yet! Sims, is that you? Nice one!

Mike ---------
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson
"Whenever some act of wondrous power must be performed, Michael is sent" --- Pope Saint Gregory the Great


On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com ([email]kielmarch(at)hotmail.com[/email])> wrote:
A Lot of Repositioning In Storytime
Rogues and Undead Trade Positions After a Fashion - Time Will Tell Who Got the Better
Everyone Arrays VERY Defensively
A Naval Battle for the Ages Wages In Razor's Edge But The Ogren Navy Stands Firm
An Ogre Solo is Proposed

All,
We do have some retreats:

Undead F Timberlands can retreat to Istar or SAVAGE SEA.
Rogue F ZEBOIMS DEEP can retreat to Pwyll.
Troll F BABEL BEACH can retreat to SEA OF FALLEN STARS or Golgafrincham.

Obviously any of these can also go OTB. Error! Filename not specified.

Let's get retreats in by Saturday at 6pm CST (although I may not get to the adjudication until Sunday...I am moving this weekend to a new house).

From there, we will set Fall 17 as Friday April 2nd at 6pm CST.

Our vote will occur with Fall orders although I am certain that it is likely to fail given what I know of the players here.

Please double-check these - the Ogres in particular as there was an order for a non-existant A in Hoarluk and missing orders for two other A's.

Please yell with concerns (and, NO, "parlay" is not an acceptable yell!).

Once Not So Great Elven King
Garry

Dwarves:
F Fantastica Hold

Faeries:
A Prydain - Loxley
F Ella - NORTH MIRIANIC OCEAN
F Hundred Acre Wood Supports A Elephant Graveyard
F Kingdom of Hearts - Drynwyn
A Ivory Tower Supports F Myth Drannor
F Myth Drannor Supports F CHURNING REACH - RAZORS EDGE (*Cut*)
A Elephant Graveyard Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Starkadh Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
A Eridu - Gwynir (*Fails*)
A Fionavar Supports A Dragons Teeth Mtns
A Dragons Teeth Mtns Supports A Fionavar
F CHURNING REACH - RAZORS EDGE (*Fails*)
F WEST MIRIANIC OCEAN - CHURNING REACH (*Fails*)
F RUGGED COAST Supports F RIFT CANYON
F RIFT CANYON Supports F CHURNING REACH - RAZORS EDGE

Ogres:
A Mount Nimro, no move received
A Carpantha Supports A Temple of Doom - Khaz Modan
A Undermountain - Diamond Mines
A Mordor Supports A Rivendell
A Rohan Supports A Lindon
A Lindon Supports A Rohan
F Horborixen - Fafhrd
F Lankhmar - THREE RIVER LAKE
F Fjord - BABEL BEACH
F Baldurs Gate Supports F RAZORS EDGE
A Ansalon, no move received
A Whoville - Hoarluk
A Krikkit - The Wilderland
A Candlekeep Supports F Baldurs Gate
F Enchanted Isles Supports F WAY THE HECK - SEA OF FALLEN STARS
(*Cut*)
A Great Glacier - Myth Drannor (*Fails*)
A Zhentil Keep Supports A Dragon Coast - Great Glacier (*Fails*)
A Spirit Pond - Hollow Earth
A Fitzgibbon Hold
A Kara-Tur Hold
A Yuirwood Supports F Baldurs Gate
A Rivendell Hold
A Dragon Coast - Great Glacier (*Fails*)
A Yggdrasil Hold
A Twisted Tunnels - Undermountain
A Venatori Umbrarum - Temple of Doom
A Temple of Doom - Khaz Modan
F WAY THE HECK - SEA OF FALLEN STARS (*Disbanded*)
F BIKINI BOTTOM Supports F Fjord - BABEL BEACH
F THUNDERHEAD - THE MAW (*Bounce*)
F RAZORS EDGE Supports A Great Glacier - Myth Drannor (*Cut*)
F RIVER OF THE DAWN Supports F RAZORS EDGE
F NORTH RAINBOW LAKE Hold

Pirates:
A The Neverwood - Maze of Regrets
A Pans Labyrinth - Rivendell (*Fails*)
F Travers Town Supports F RESTLESS WATERS
A Slightly Gulch - Camelittle
A Avalon Supports F Hundred Acre Wood
F Groves of Academe - Slightly Gulch
F RESTLESS WATERS Supports F CHURNING REACH - RAZORS EDGE
F PIRATE SHOALS - GULF OF LUHN

Rogues:
F GuTanoth - Arctic Barrens
A Paras Derval - River Saeren
A Girssel - Owlwood
A Wing Hove - Heavens Well
F Grimpen Ward - CELESTIAL DELTA
F To-Gai-Ru - Timberlands
F Ashan - Walk of Clouds
F Orboros - TROG BOG
F Dargaard Keep - EAST SEA OF SHADOWS
A Corona Supports F Walk of Clouds - To-Gai-Ru
F Ice Reach - CRYSTAL LAKE
F The Julianthes - ALL SAINTS BAY (*Fails*)
A Immoren - Troldhaugen
A Cave of Ordeals - Tymwyvenne
A Moominvalley - Darken Wood
F Walk of Clouds - To-Gai-Ru
F Palmaris Supports F To-Gai-Ru - Timberlands
F CRYSTAL LAKE - Aslan
F POOL OF RADIANCE - Dargaard Keep
F ZEBOIMS DEEP - SAVAGE SEA (*Dislodged*)

Trolls:
F Khemri Supports A Newa River
A Newa River Hold
A Sorrows End - Cave of Ordeals
F Never Never Land Supports F SEA OF FALLEN STARS - WAY THE HECK
A Gwynir Hold
A Sleepy Hollow Supports A Gwynir
A Darken Wood - Ergoth
F THON THALAS, no move received
F GRIEF REEF - HIGH SEAS
F HIGH SEAS - Ithin'Carthia(wc)
F MERMAIDS LAGOON - The High Way
F RIVER STYX - THE MAW (*Bounce*)
F WEST SEA OF SHADOWS Supports F Dargaard Keep - EAST SEA OF
SHADOWS
F BABEL BEACH - Enchanted Isles (*Dislodged*)
F SEA OF FALLEN STARS - WAY THE HECK

Undead:
F Everglot Supports A Skellington
A Skellington Hold
A The Old Gristmill Supports F Terabithia
F Terabithia Supports F SAVAGE SEA - ZEBOIMS DEEP
F Timberlands Supports F ALL SAINTS BAY (*Dislodged*)
A Uhl Belk - Skullcap
F SAVAGE SEA - ZEBOIMS DEEP
F ALL SAINTS BAY Supports F SAVAGE SEA - ZEBOIMS DEEP (*Cut*)



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