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Author:mistro
Posted:May 25, 2010 at 8:52 pm
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To all, I usually don't make closing comments but I'm
compelled to in this one (after reading this you may see why I don't make
closing comments).
 
To Doug, you have my compliments on a good job. I thought
you ran a good game. Pro's were your commentary and the fix times for turns,.Cons,
that map just is impossible to read (and I'm not the only one, poor Italy went at
least 2 years without a build he was entitled to). I'm not sure I'd play the variant
again and I certainly would never be Russia in it. He gives up his 4 SC
advantage.
 
To Austria,
you played a good game but you were aided by the ineptitude of your closest
players. I'd relish a rematch someday. Your prose in the beginning was quite
captivating but you waffled too long. If it hadn't been for your vassal Italy I'd have taken you and I really thought that
we would end with a Austria France draw ( with Germany and one of your vassals)..
 
To Italy
and Turkey,
I'd love to hear how your game plan was going to give you a win? What exactly
was the point of being Austria's
pawns forever? Any good strategy says that the minor player has to turn on
their protector sometime! I am really curious; did Austria have dirty pictures of you
to blackmail you?
 
England
my biggest mistake was not trusting Germany
early in the game and invading England
proper via the German offered convoy. If I had done that we could have eliminated you
at least on the western part of the board and I probably would have won or the
draw would not have been so inclusive, because the only way that Germany's
and my stalemate line was broken was because we didn't eliminate you.. However
once we allied, for the record, Dirk and I were very agreeable to have our
three countries in a draw against Austria. However when you turned
unreliable while I didn't get quite as upset as Dirk over our exchanges, I will
remember that you are an unreliable ally, not the type I care to play with
again unless it's hostilities from the start and trust me it will be.
 
German you played a good game, especially considering your opening
moves that left you no SC's within a defensive buffer. Its tough being Germany (and Austria); the edge countries are
easier, but still you did a great job and were a terrific ally. I never thought
to stab you even with the proffered opportunities by other players. I hope we
stay in touch in the "real world" and play again. BTW at some point I'd like to
send my daughter's resume to you for comment and if you ever expand to nyc, let
me know.
 
In conclusion, you know this game is a lot like woman (at
least until I got married). You are in a relationship and its fun at first and
then it becomes a drag and then you look for a way out. You swear off them for
a while and then memories fade and you get drawn back in. I'm out of here for a
while, but I'm sure I'll be back sometime after the memories fade.
 
Rgds, Michael
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Marc Prud'homme <michaelfaraday(at)live.com> wrote:



Good Evening!
Ordinarily I'm quite an advocate for EOGs, but my memory is honestly quite flagging. So, yes I'll do an EOG, but it will be rather short and lacking a thorough chronological journal.

Thank you Douglas for hosting this variant -- I am a little sad that my "custom" empire happened to be Austria-shuffle-south, but it was still entertaining and being able to call myself "Yugoslavia", for all the good it pragmatically did, served to keep my attention quite well. Wink I one day hope to run a game as smooth[ly] as yours.

I was flattered with how many players wanted to work with me, and genuinely seemed to follow through on the goal -- the exception naturally being post-Turkey Russia, but I DID open into Rumania, and things went pretty south after that... Honestly, I was planning on wiping Turkey out as soon as possible with Russian help -- his opening to Greece was, while quite a natural opening, rather threatening to my Balkan Empire. Russia, forgive my betrayal -- you held out til' the end, and forgive any unnecessary treachery on my part -- for me, half the fun is the con, not the end.

Now, I have been a small nation before a large one in past games and I understand, though many players say it "poor showmanship" or whatever, that the first and most satisfying reaction is to act however you damn well please, survival or not, just to prove that you DO have an effect on the game. To me, this is a fundamental concept necessary for "soft" conquering -- as long as a player feels that they have choices and input, and most importantly that you've GIVEN them this, they will likely follow you to the grave or until you REVOKE such freedom. Unfortunately for me, it was this second point that I did not tread upon quite hard enough and towards the end my Turkish "vassal" became a liability that I honestly could do nothing about. 

I trusted him explicitly [barring that one scare], so it never came of much, although I do believe some of my later orders would've given him cause for concern -- perhaps rightly so, I can't honestly recall what my strategy was there. For what it's worth, thanks for sticking by me even though I could've been an easy stab at several points. Wink

Italy, though I had initially quite determined that I would eliminate you with French assistance, a curious movement by Russia made my natural paranoia look for allies -- I kept telling France "one more season!", waving those perfect chances to bounce you for home centres, and eventually we fell into a perfect demilitarized peace -- I daresay we never had any misunderstanding [except maybe my arrogantly declared ship, I don't know]. Towards the end France and Germany had convinced me that an alliance with them was useful, and sadly that meant to had to go -- luckily, I never had to realize your end. Thanks for sticking with me for better or worse, and in essence serving as my navy. Wink

France, I honestly began with the idea of an AF alliance taking the board. I found myself the weakest player at the start, and kept equivocating because I didn't want unnecessary risks -- and I'm sure you gave up on my wishy-washy self after a while. All the same, I quite enjoyed our communications -- I recall in our earlier exchanges I took liberties and expressed my ideas in prose too flowery for what was to be exterminating our neighbour. Fun, all the same -- thanks. Wink

Germany, it was [ironically] your equivocation as you said that led to your stunted growth. I asked for assistance and you would always just sit it out, and eventually I determined [while being very wishy-washy myself] that I'd run my way through the alps.

England, we didn't interact much until the end, although we were entirely misaligned for my hypothetical solo, so I was a little loathe to trust you -- all the same, you helped me break the stalemate and, in theory, we could have ground our way through Franco-Germany. But, by that time the game had lost it's flare, and I thought I'd give stabbing you a half-hearted go. Sorry, for what it's worth.

I am first an foremost a player for the melodramatic -- I'm sure more than half of you realize that. Second, I play for the fun of conning, alliances, and, in general, communications: This ties in with the first. Thirdly, I play to win. And in this game, though I thought for a moment I was well on my way to a solo, I had lost the interesting exchanges, and my lazy attempts at stabbing didn't garner anything new. In my books, I had "won" my conditions when I had literally every [surviving] player on the board suggesting an alliance with me, the largest nation. Granted, a few of these offers were only to break a stalemate, but all the same I had a roaring good time for quite a while there. Thank you everyone for an entertaining game! Wink

Any questions or comments, and I'll try my best to answer.
Hope to see you all on the battlefield again some time!-K.T.Yugoslavia


From: lindav123(at)hotmail.com
To: dirk(at)knemeyer.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com

CC: livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com; rob.a.goodwin(at)googlemail.com

Subject: RE: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:23:48 +0100





> P.S. - David, at least from my side, all of our antipathy was in good
> fun, frustrated though I really was!!!


ha ha...well, from my side....MOST of it was in good fun Wink

 

seriously your "own lack of strategic planning" drove me absolutely insane this game....when someones diplomacy is sending you one message but their moves on the board something TOTALLY OPPOSITE, it doesnt leave you many options!!!

 

But no worries, at least we somehow managed to salvage a draw out of it. Despite all the bad blood Id still look forward to another game with both you and Michael. It was never personal for me.

 

Congrats to Austria though....clearly head and shoulders deserved the board top this game.

 

Cheers Doug, nice variant, I'd certainly play it again.

 


 
> CC: lindav123(at)hotmail.com; livinglifeforothers(at)gmail.com; mike_hyman(at)hotmail.com; michaelfaraday(at)live.com; mistro914(at)gmail.com; dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com; rob.a.goodwin(at)googlemail.com

> From: dirk(at)knemeyer.com
> To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com
> Subject: Re: DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game

This message is in reply to post 16439:


The Summer sun twinkled on the surface of the Saone, as the dignitaries made their slow procession over the bridge and in to the city of Macon. In the square in front of the Hôtel de Montrevel, a huge mahogany table had been placed and, flanked by smartly suited attendants, six high backed chairs evenly-spaced around it.


Promising the coming of Fall; a cool breeze whipped at the huge stack of paper work piled on the table, and adjutants struggled to keep all in place as the dignitaries gathered about it.

Tesarik took his seat first and, reaching for a crystal decanter of Pouilly-Fuisse, grabbed it with both hands and took a large swig, before wiping his beard on the sleeve of his overcoat.


Commandant Ciro, of the Mediterranean People's Coalition sat to his right and smiled at those about him as if greeting long-lost family members at a late Summer's picnic.

Taking a seat to Tesarik's left, the Turkish delegate eyed the assembled warily before nibbling at some of the egg and cress sandwiches proffered by an attendant.


Across the table sat the general of the Realm of Frankish Visigoths alongside President Franz Heinrich of Greater Hannover. Looking battle-weary, but dignified, the pair eyed the English Prime Minister; the figurehead of the United Kingdoms of Great Britain and Scandinavia - noting their impatience - took his cue and began his address.


From his position in the front ranks of the Yugoslav honour guard, Agent Fresh watched the dignitaries as they waded through the paving-slab-thick peace agreement. The Head of each state finally took his turn in signing the Macon Accord, and with a splash of ink on paper, the first war in Europe in five hundred years was ended.


Agent Fresh felt the weight of his shouldered rifle and stifled the urge to raise it. The statesmen before him had caused untold terror and bloodshed, not to mention the extermination of the Russian people... surely the deserved to pay for what they had done?


But no. There had been bloodshed enough; and martyrdom to some fictionial cause was not really a facet of Fresh's personality. Besides, the Peace attained, must now be maintained, and in his deep-cover as an officer in the Yugoslav national Army, Agent Fresh was poised to carry out the work of the League of Shadows and to see to it that: Never again would the ugly shadow of war fall across the face of the continent they all must now share.



********************

Dear Players,

Many thanks for your participation in this game. I hope that you enjoyed it and look forward to seeing you around another board at some time in the future.

If you wish to write any End Of Game comments or reports, please post them in the redscape forum: (http://www.redscape.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=982&sid=c60e5ff9651e8d60c3f6d30c17f828d0) and also email them to all players, including dc301(at)diplomaticcorp.com, so they go on the forum (wherever that is!)


The proposed and unused moves for Fall 1905 were as follows:


PROPOSED MILITARY MANOUVRES FALL 1905.

YUGOSLAVIA
A bur - gas
A mun - bur
A pru - sil
A ber holds
F gre holds
A bul - con

A rum - sev
A mos supports A rum - sev
A tyr - ven

YES

UNITED KINGDOM OF GREAT BRITAIN & SCANDINAVIA
proposed DIAS
 
VOTE YES to DIAS
 
A STP S A Sev - Mos
F Kie - Hol
F NTHS F Kie - Hol

F Den - HEL
F Wal - ENG
A Yor - Edi
F Nwy S F NTH H

FRANKISH & VISIGOTHIC REALM
F Lyo S A Mar - PIE
F MAO - NAO
A Mar - PIE
A Pic - Par
F Tun - S F WES - TYS
F WES - TYS

I vote for the draw



GREATER HANNOVER
F Bel S Ruh - Hol
F Bre - ENG
A Ruh - Hol

VOTE YES!!!!!!!!!!!


MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLES CONFEDERATION
A Pie to Venice
F Naples to Apulia
F Tys to Ion
F Tus to Tys

YES

TURKEY
YES
NMR

There are 8 Messages in this Thread:


DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (Douglas_E_Fresh) May 25, 06:49 am

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (dknemeyer) May 25, 09:16 am

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (Douglas_E_Fresh) May 25, 09:41 am

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (LinDav123) May 25, 12:23 pm

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (Kendercommander) May 25, 05:42 pm

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (mistro) May 25, 08:52 pm

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (livinglifeforothers) May 26, 01:49 am

DC301 - TTP - Fall 1905: End of Game (LinDav123) May 26, 03:34 pm

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