Nope, the world is a normal globe, drawn as a flat map cut vertically and unwrapped, just like every other worldly map we look at.  So just like you cannot walk from the north pole of earth to the south pole, so too in the Haven world can you not make that connection.  Future map, I make make on a toroid instead of a sphere, thereby allowing the dual wrap.  Whenever I get around to that.






From: Mike Hoffman [mailto:mrh(at)panix.com]
Sent: Wed 12/22/2010 2:28 PM
To: Jason Koelewyn
Subject: Re: DC354: Can the Elven King of Old Return? It WAS Foretold...




Did I misread the map, or does it now wrap top-to-bottom?
Mike
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson





On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:48 PM, Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com> wrote:








Did I miss something?  What new rules?













From: Mike Hoffman <mrh(at)panix.com>
To: Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com>
Cc: ndeily(at)yahoo.com; Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>; Dirkfell Warren <alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com>; baz.dip(at)gmail.com; welsh_stroud(at)msn.com; Jason K <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; dan.i.sinensky(at)gmail.com; jdtsoft(at)jdtsoft.com; justin(at)darkenedpath.com; markjsmith60(at)gmail.com; hall.jeff(at)gmail.com; Matthew Kelly <kelly058(at)verizon.net>; wealllovekatamari(at)yahoo.com; Max Victory <maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk>; pjh5000(at)hotmail.com; spinozas(at)gmx.net; tomjnkns.il(at)gmail.com; michael.alan.walters(at)gmail.com; dc354(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Wed, December 22, 2010 2:40:26 PM



Subject: Re: DC354: Can the Elven King of Old Return? It WAS Foretold...









Wow... a 'shout-out' slam before the game even starts!  That's a first for me.  I feel .... honored??? 

Hi all,
I'm Mike Hoffman.  I've been playing Dip for roughly 30 years, but at this stage, who counts anymore.  Started out FtF, then to mail, then to the Judges when the Internet was finally built.  

Some have said I play with a split-personality, but I'm on good drugs now, so hopefully the voices in my head will stay quiet (PARTY TIME!!!!  WOO HOO!!!!)

I am in now way anywhere nearly as devious and conniving as Garry paints me.  (HA!)  I am a truly loyal ally (To Yourself!)  who rarely, if ever, stabs anyone (Rarely ... in reference to maybe geologic time!). 

I hold no pre-conceived notions about players or the races represented in this map (Dwarves Smell!), and I've played in all 3 games so far.  By far, my favorite map to play.  So many twists and turns, alliances are so important (and variable), and the secrets of the board reveal themselves as you play (Like I'm going to divulge any to you guys now. Good Luck!). 

Looking forward to seeing how the new rules will change the game play.  I can assure you one thing:  I will not be playing Ogres again --- unless Sims has it out for me.

Mike Hoffman
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"Sit Long, Talk Much, Laugh Often" -- anon
"Shared Pain is lessened, Shared Joy is increased" --- Spider Robinson





On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com> wrote:




Halloo to all and well met. I know several of you (and have had the pleasure of being stabbed by you) and others I am just prepping to get used by. I have had the pleasure of several things:





1. Playing in WB before


2. Helping run WB before (as I will be again)


3. Playing on the site for a while


4. Racking up an impressive list of eliminations


5. GMing a Haven game before


6. Playing a Haven game before....






which brings us to the Elven King. It was foretold that the Elven King sailed away to Middle-Earth (escaping Ogre tyranny in Haven) and would someday return to take his vengeance. Mayhap now is that time? (I was the ill-fated, much hated, under-rated Elves in DC224).






I apologize in advance. My dealings with several of you will be by needs brief given that we will unlikely have anything to discuss early on if we are not in the same hemisphere. It doesn't mean that I wouldn't LOVE having you as a mid-game ally if I can survive Mike Hoffman that long. 






Garry










Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:20:40 -0800
From: ndeily(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: When I grow up I want to be... a Troll?
To: mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net; alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; baz.dip(at)gmail.com; welsh_stroud(at)msn.com; kielmarch(at)hotmail.com; githraine(at)yahoo.com; dan.i.sinensky(at)gmail.com; jdtsoft(at)jdtsoft.com; justin(at)darkenedpath.com; markjsmith60(at)gmail.com; hall.jeff(at)gmail.com; kelly058(at)verizon.net; wealllovekatamari(at)yahoo.com; mrh(at)panix.com; Maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk; pjh5000(at)hotmail.com; Spinozas(at)gmx.net; tomjnkns.IL(at)gmail.com; michael.alan.walters(at)gmail.com; dc354(at)diplomaticcorp.com





Consider me officially on the intro bandwagon.


 


Nathan Deily - first introduced to Diplomacy about 15 years ago in high school. Quite a lot of ftf and even light variant play at that time, and then got into pbem in college on CAT-23 and other places.


 


I was very excited to join Diplomaticcorp a few years ago and have played there fairly actively (in addition to some other new groups I have had the pleasure of being exposed to), very often because it affords the opportunity to try new variants and stretch my brain in new ways I can bring back to Classic.


 


I agreed to take over an ailing Hobbit position in the "Slaughter at Story Time" run of Haven and was rewarded with a long, slow, painful death in that game. Suffice it to say I'm looking to try my hand in a different corner of the board this time (or at least make my own bed before I have to lie in it).


 


Winter Blitz is the only tournament I've ever had the pleasure of playing in (2nd time in a row this past year, and very excited for my third run at it). Managed to get a 2-way draw in the first round but then got shellacked in the 2nd round... hope to see you all there as well.


 


One question for Mike - I gather this is not the "Fog of War" version of Haven, but just in case it is... can you confirm? That does have several important implicaitons. I seem to remember that "Slaughter" wasn't.


 


Nathan








From: Michael Sims <mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net>
To: alwayshunted(at)hotmail.com; baz.dip(at)gmail.com; welsh_stroud(at)msn.com; Garry Bledsoe <kielmarch(at)hotmail.com>; Jason Koelewyn <githraine(at)yahoo.com>; dan.i.sinensky(at)gmail.com; jdtsoft(at)jdtsoft.com; justin(at)darkenedpath.com; markjsmith60(at)gmail.com; hall.jeff(at)gmail.com; kelly058(at)verizon.net; wealllovekatamari(at)yahoo.com; ndeily(at)yahoo.com; mrh(at)panix.com; Maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk; pjh5000(at)hotmail.com; Spinozas(at)gmx.net; tomjnkns.IL(at)gmail.com; michael.alan.walters(at)gmail.com; dc354 <dc354(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 7:21:00 AM
Subject: When I grow up I want to be... a Troll?



Somehow that doesn't seem too common a request - but in this game you never know!  Here is our final 19.  Since we have a little time to kill, we can sit here and twiddle our thumbs, or we can bake some Haven Holiday treats, or we can turn in some preferences!


 


So I'm going to go w option 3.  I don't in most games, but in this one so many have already voiced an opinion on what they'd like to play that I'll open it up to prefs.  Each player should (ok, must - but I just hate laying down the law like that!) turn in a set of prefs, even if your preference is "I'd rather leave my future civilization which I will henceforth lead from infancy to world domination in the hands of the fates"... you should still turn something in.


 


If you would like your preferences to be more particular than that, you should turn in a list of at least 5.  You can use the first letter of the civ name, each one starts with something different... like A E I O U... if your pref is to play the Archers, Elves, Ogres, Undead... or if you just have a liking for vowels.  Note that would only be 4, not 5, since I is invalid, and I'd have to write you back a nasty letter requesting you pick a 5th one, thereby expanding your horizons beyond those of just vowels.


 


There's a lot of eager energy here, do you want me to assign powers and send out the player list pre-Christmas?  I can do that if y'all want.  First deadline still wouldn't be till Jan.  I would only do this if everyone confirms they're ok w this and wouldn't be put out or left behind.


 


Note - some of you I know well, others are completely new.  So intros are welcome too!  Feel free to copy the group.  Heck it'll pass the time.  Like you know what I do in my spare time?  I build w LEGOs.  No - really.  Some pretty big scale stuff.


 


Enjoy!


-mike