YES vote from Russia.


From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 10:51:42 AM
Subject: Guns, Germs and Steel 1264 / DC110 - Fall 1879 - Till the Fat Lady Sings...

- TEMPERS FLARE AS WORLD REALIZES ... IT AIN'T OVER!!
- MEAT TENDERIZERS AND ATHLETIC CUPS FLY OFF SHELVES WORLD-WIDE

Okie. Lets all sit around the fire and have a short talk.

Some of you wish to end this game. I absolutely understand that. But despite how crazy it sounds to some, there are those of you who do NOT wish it to end. At least, not at this point.

This is a monster. We all knew it was a monster when we signed up to play. And the fact that its gone on for quite some time has not changed the truth in any way that this game remains a monster. What we have left with is a very good group of players that all have strong wills and personalities... And a board that seems locked to some but that still actually has quite a lot of play in it.

Please do not be discouraged that, if you are one of those wanting the game to end, that it is not - in fact - ending. =P

But okay - enough blabber from me. Fall rolls around and find Holland undergoing a massive withdrawal and reorganization in the south. China continues to get gobbled up and the British in exile suddenly find two thirds of their town halls waving American flags.

The Dutch solo proposal is kicked under the table meeting defeat. In the meanwhile, a new 6-way draw (US/France/Russia/Holland/Japan/China) is proposed. Please have your yay or nay votes on that submitted to me by the Winter 1879 deadline of Saturday, November 1st (11:59 PM GMT).

Strap on those cups, gentlemen. The time-clock hasn't quite run out. =P

Cheers!

Trout

Movement results for Fall of 1879. (1879 FALL)

China: A Manchuria (mac) Supports A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).
China: A Mongolia (mon) - Inner Mongolia (img).

France: F Adriatic Sea (adr) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: F The Azores (azo) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Bay of Biscay (bob) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Berlin (ber) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Bosnia (bos) Supports F Greece (gre).
France: A Brasilia (bra) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Brazil Current (bcu) Supports F South Georgia Islands (sgr).
France: F Cameroon (cmn) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Canary Seaway(cny) Supports F Cape Verde Islands (vrd).
France: F Cape Verde Islands (vrd) Supports F Canary Seaway(cny).
France: F Coast of Argentina (cag) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Drake (dra) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: F Falkland Islands (fal) Supports F Drake (dra).
France: A Galicia (gal) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Goyamas (goy) - Cochabamba (coh).
France: F Grain Coast (gcs) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: F Greece (gre) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: F Gulf of Guinea (gog) Supports F Okrana (okn).
France: F Gulf of Lyon (lyo) - Gibraltar (gib) (*Fails*).
France: F Holland (hol) Supports A Rouen (rou).
France: F Ionian Sea (ion) - Sicily (sic).
France: A Kiel (kie) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: A La Paz (lpa) Supports A Brasilia (bra).
France: F Middle Atlantic (mat) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: F Nantes (nan) Supports F Bay of Biscay (bob).
France: F Okrana (okn) Supports F Gulf of Guinea (gog).
France: A Paris (par) Supports F Nantes (nan).
France: A Quito (qto) Supports A La Paz (lpa).
France: F Recife (rec) Supports F Middle Atlantic (mat).
France: A Rio de Janeiro (rdj) Supports F Recife (rec).
France: A Rouen (rou) Supports F Holland (hol).
France: A Ruhr (ruh) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Rumania (rum) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
France: A Serbia (ser) Supports A Bosnia (bos).
France: A Silesia (sil) Supports A Berlin (ber).
France: F South Georgia Islands (sgr) Supports F Brazil Current (bcu).
France: A Stuttgart (stu) Supports A Kiel (kie).
France: A Tawarek (twr) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tripoli (trp) Supports A Tunis (tun) (*Cut*).
France: A Tunis (tun) Supports F Tripoli (trp).
France: F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys) Supports A Tunis (tun).
France: A Wallacia (wlc) Supports A Rumania (rum).

Holland: F Angola (agl) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: F Angora (ang)(nc) Supports F Black Sea (bla).
Holland: F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean (aat) - Goodhope (goo).
Holland: F Antarctic Indian Ocean(ain) Supports F Antarctic Atlantic Ocean
(aat) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Antarctic Pacific Ocean(apa) - Barrier Sea (brr).
Holland: A Armenia (arm) - Tabrize (tbr).
Holland: A Assam (asm) - Yunnan (yun).
Holland: A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Barrier Sea (brr) - New South Wales (nsw).
Holland: F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Black Sea (bla) Convoys A Sevastopol (sev) - Baku (bku) (*Void*).
Holland: A Bokhara (bkh) - Kasala (ksl).
Holland: A Cairo (cai) Supports F Tubruq (tbq).
Holland: A Canton (can) Supports F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: F Caroline Islands (crl) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench
(izu) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Congo (cng) Supports F Angola (agl) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: F Constantinople (con) Supports A Sofia (sof).
Holland: F Coral Sea (cor) - Queensland (qnl).
Holland: F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean (eas).
Holland: F Damaraland (dml) - South Atlantic (sat) (*Bounce*).
Holland: A Dar Es Sallam (dar) Supports A Aswan (asw) - Fezz (fzz) (*Fails*).
Holland: F East China Sea (ecs) - Shanghai (sha).
Holland: F Eastern Mediterranean (eas) - Aegean Sea (aeg).
Holland: F Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) - Bismark Sea (bis) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Evenki (eve) - Yakutsk (yak).
Holland: A Fezz (fzz) - Tripoli (trp) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Fiji (fij) - Coral Sea (cor).
Holland: F Formosa (for) Hold.
Holland: F Goodhope (goo) - West Indian (win).
Holland: F Hong Kong (hko) - Fuchan (fuc).
Holland: A Inner Mongolia (img) Supports A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla)
(*Disbanded*).
Holland: A Irkutsk (irk) - Vladivostok (vla) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Izu Trench (izu) - Kagoshima (kag) (*Fails*).
Holland: A Karachi (krc) - Bokhara (bkh).
Holland: A Kashgar (ksg) - Kirghiz (kir).
Holland: A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: A Krasnoyarsk (kra) - Evenki (eve).
Holland: A Langchow (lch) Supports A Kirghiz (kir) - Mongolia (mon).
Holland: F Luzon (luz) Supports F Philippine (phi).
Holland: F Luzon Sea (lus) - Mindanao (mnd).
Holland: F Marshal Islands (mhl) Supports F West Pacific (wpa).
Holland: F New Guinea (ngu) - Timor (tim).
Holland: F New Zealand (nzl) - Tasman (tas).
Holland: F Okinawa (oki) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: A Omsk (oms) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: A Orenburg (orn) Supports A Baku (bku) - Georgia (geo).
Holland: F Philippine (phi) Supports F Bismark Sea (bis) - Izu Trench (izu)
(*Fails*).
Holland: F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Sinkiang (snk) Supports A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).
Holland: A Sofia (sof) Hold.
Holland: F South Atlantic (sat) - Cape Town (ctn).
Holland: F South China Sea (scs) Hold.
Holland: F South West Pacific (swp) - Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco) (*Fails*).
Holland: F Syria (syr)(wc) Supports F Cyprus (cyp) - Eastern Mediterranean
(eas).
Holland: A Tashkent (tsh) - Krasnoyarsk (kra).
Holland: A Tibet (tib) - Kashgar (ksg).
Holland: A Tonkin (tnk) Supports A Canton (can).
Holland: F Tubruq (tbq) Supports F Crete (cre) - Ionian Sea (ion).
Holland: F West Pacific (wpa) Supports F Kuril (kur) (*Ordered to Move*).
Holland: A Wuhan (wuh) Supports F Shanghai (sha) - Peking (pek).
Holland: A Yunnan (yun) - Chungking (chk).

Japan: F Edo (edo) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
Japan: F Fusan (fsn) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Kagoshima (kag) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse) (*Cut*).
Japan: F Kuril (kur) - Sapporo (sap).
Japan: F Port Arthur (poa) Supports A Manchuria (mac).
Japan: F Sea of Japan (soj) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: F Seoul (seo)(wc) Supports F Yellow Sea (yse).
Japan: A Vladivostok (vla) Hold.
Japan: F Yellow Sea (yse) Hold.

Russia: A Warsaw (war) Supports A Sevastopol (sev).
Russia: A Perm (prm) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Sevastopol (sev) Supports A Moscow (mos).
Russia: A Moscow (mos) Supports A Perm (prm).

USA: A Alaska (ala) Hold.
USA: A Amazon (ama) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Baltic Sea (bal) Supports F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: A Barcelone (brc) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: F Barents Sea (bar) - Norway (nwy).
USA: F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: A Caledonia (cld) Supports A Pramaiba (pra).
USA: F Cayenne (cyn) Supports F North East Trades (net).
USA: F Chesapeake Approaches (che) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Chilean Basin (cba) Supports F Drake (dra).
USA: F Counter Current (ccu) Supports F Hawaii (haw).
USA: F Denmark (den) - Sweden (swe).
USA: F Eastern Carribean (eca) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Eastern Pacific (epa) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Eastern Seaboard (ese) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Finland (fin)(nc) Supports A St Petersburg (stp).
USA: F Gulf of Bothnia (bot) Supports F Baltic Sea (bal).
USA: F Hawaii (haw) Supports F Kirbati Sea (kse).
USA: F Helgoland Bight (hel) Supports F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Hudson (hud) Hold.
USA: F Kamchatka (kam) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).
USA: F Kirbati Sea (kse) Hold.
USA: A Lima (lim) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Livonia (lvn) Supports A Moscow (mos).
USA: F North Atlantic (nat) Hold.
USA: F North East Trades (net) Hold.
USA: F North Pacific (npa) Supports F Westerlies (wst).
USA: F North Sea (nth) - Denmark (den).
USA: F Norwegian Sea (nwg) - North Sea (nth).
USA: F Nova Scotia (nsc) Supports F North Atlantic (nat).
USA: F Okhotsk (okh) Supports A Vladivostok (vla).
USA: F Pacific Basin (pba) Supports F Chilean Basin (cba).
USA: A Pramaiba (pra) Supports A Amazon (ama).
USA: A Ruperts Land (rla) Hold.
USA: F Sargasso (sar) Hold.
USA: F Society Islands (sct) Supports F South Pacific (spa).
USA: F South Pacific (spa) Hold.
USA: A St Petersburg (stp) Supports A Perm (prm).
USA: F Virgin Islands (vis) Supports F Sargasso (sar).
USA: F Westerlies (wst) Supports F Bering Sea (bse) - Kuril (kur).

Unit locations:

China: A Inner Mongolia (img), A Manchuria (mac).
France: F Adriatic Sea (adr), F The Azores (azo), F Bay of Biscay (bob), A
Berlin (ber), A Bosnia (bos), A Brasilia (bra), F Brazil Current
(bcu), F Cameroon (cmn), F Canary Seaway(cny), F Cape Verde Islands
(vrd), F Coast of Argentina (cag), A Cochabamba (coh), F Drake (dra),
F Falkland Islands (fal), A Galicia (gal), F Grain Coast (gcs), F
Greece (gre), F Gulf of Guinea (gog), F Gulf of Lyon (lyo), F Holland
(hol), A Kiel (kie), A La Paz (lpa), F Middle Atlantic (mat), F Nantes
(nan), F Okrana (okn), A Paris (par), A Quito (qto), F Recife (rec), A
Rio de Janeiro (rdj), A Rouen (rou), A Ruhr (ruh), A Rumania (rum), A
Serbia (ser), F Sicily (sic), A Silesia (sil), F South Georgia Islands
(sgr), A Stuttgart (stu), A Tawarek (twr), F Tripoli (trp), A Tunis
(tun), F Tyrrhenian Sea (tys), A Wallacia (wlc).
Holland: F Aegean Sea (aeg), F Angola (agl), F Angora (ang)(nc), F Antarctic
Indian Ocean(ain), A Aswan (asw), F Barrier Sea (brr), F Bismark Sea
(bis), F Black Sea (bla), A Bokhara (bkh), A Cairo (cai), A Canton
(can), F Cape Town (ctn), F Caroline Islands (crl), A Chungking (chk),
A Congo (cng), F Constantinople (con), F Coral Sea (cor), F Damaraland
(dml), A Dar Es Sallam (dar), F Eastern Mediterranean (eas), F
Equatorial CounterCurrent (eco), A Evenki (eve), A Fezz (fzz), F
Formosa (for), F Fuchan (fuc), A Georgia (geo), F Goodhope (goo), A
Inner Mongolia (img), F Ionian Sea (ion), A Irkutsk (irk), F Izu
Trench (izu), A Kasala (ksl), A Kashgar (ksg), A Kirghiz (kir), A
Krasnoyarsk (kra), A Langchow (lch), F Luzon (luz), F Marshal Islands
(mhl), F Mindanao (mnd), A Mongolia (mon), F New South Wales (nsw), F
Okinawa (oki), A Omsk (oms), A Orenburg (orn), F Peking (pek), F
Philippine (phi), F Queensland (qnl), F Shanghai (sha), A Sinkiang
(snk), A Sofia (sof), F South China Sea (scs), F South West Pacific
(swp), F Syria (syr)(wc), A Tabrize (tbr), F Tasman (tas), F Timor
(tim), A Tonkin (tnk), F Tubruq (tbq), F West Indian (win), F West
Pacific (wpa), A Wuhan (wuh), A Yakutsk (yak), A Yunnan (yun).
Japan: F Edo (edo), F Fusan (fsn), F Kagoshima (kag), F Port Arthur (poa), F
Sapporo (sap), F Sea of Japan (soj), F Seoul (seo)(wc), A Vladivostok
(vla), F Yellow Sea (yse).
Russia: A Warsaw (war), A Perm (prm), A Sevastopol (sev), A Moscow (mos).
USA: A Alaska (ala), A Amazon (ama), F Baltic Sea (bal), A Barcelone (brc),
A Caledonia (cld), F Cayenne (cyn), F Chesapeake Approaches (che), F
Chilean Basin (cba), F Counter Current (ccu), F Denmark (den), F
Eastern Carribean (eca), F Eastern Pacific (epa), F Eastern Seaboard
(ese), F Finland (fin)(nc), F Gulf of Bothnia (bot), F Hawaii (haw), F
Helgoland Bight (hel), F Hudson (hud), F Kamchatka (kam), F Kirbati
Sea (kse), F Kuril (kur), A Lima (lim), A Livonia (lvn), F North
Atlantic (nat), F North East Trades (net), F North Pacific (npa), F
North Sea (nth), F Norway (nwy), F Nova Scotia (nsc), F Okhotsk (okh),
F Pacific Basin (pba), A Pramaiba (pra), A Ruperts Land (rla), F
Sargasso (sar), F Society Islands (sct), F South Pacific (spa), A St
Petersburg (stp), F Sweden (swe), F Virgin Islands (vis), F Westerlies
(wst).

Ownership of supply centers:

Britain: Greenland (grn).
China: Manchuria (mac).
France: The Azores (azo), Bavaria (bav), Berlin (ber), Brasilia (bra),
Budapest (bud), Cameroon (cmn), Cape Verde Islands (vrd), Corsica
(crs), Crete (cre), Croatia (cro), Falkland Islands (fal), Gibraltar
(gib), Grain Coast (gcs), Greece (gre), Holland (hol), Ivory Coast
(ivc), Kiel (kie), La Paz (lpa), Marseilles (mar), Monrovia (mnv),
Morocco (mrc), Nantes (nan), Okrana (okn), Oliveira (oli), Paraguay
(prg), Paris (par), Piedmont (pie), Recife (rec), Rio de Janeiro
(rdj), Rome (rom), Ruhr (ruh), Rumania (rum), Salerno (sal), Serbia
(ser), Sicily (sic), Sierra Leone (sie), Silesia (sil), South Georgia
Islands (sgr), Stuttgart (stu), Tripoli (trp), Tunis (tun), Uruguay
(uru), Valencia (vlc), Venice (ven), Vienna (vie).
Holland: Abyssinia (aby), Aden (ade), Andaman Islands (amn), Angora (ang),
Baghdad (bag), Baku (bku), Bangalore (ban), Bangkok (bnk), Bengal
(ben), Bombay (bom), Borneo (brn), Botswana (bsw), Burma (brm), Cairo
(cai), Cambodia (cmb), Canton (can), Cape Town (ctn), Caroline Islands
(crl), Ceylon (cey), Chungking (chk), Cochin (cch), Constantinople
(con), Cyprus (cyp), Delhi (del), Fiji (fij), Formosa (for), Georgia
(geo), Hong Kong (hko), Irian Java (ija), Irkutsk (irk), Java (jav),
Karachi (krc), Kashmir (kas), Khiva (khv), Luzon (luz), Madagascar
(mad), Madras (mds), Malaysia (mal), Maldives (mld), Marshal Islands
(mhl), Mindanao (mnd), New Guinea (ngu), New South Wales (nsw), New
Zealand (nzl), Okinawa (oki), Oman (oma), Omsk (oms), Orenburg (orn),
Peking (pek), Perth (per), Queensland (qnl), Rangoon (rng), Rhodesia
(rho), Sarawak (srw), Seychelles (sey), Shanghai (sha), Singapore
(sin), Sinkiang (snk), Sofia (sof), Sudan (sud), Sumatra (sum),
Tashkent (tsh), Tehran (teh), Tonkin (tnk), Transvaal (trn), Wuhan
(wuh), Yuthia (yut).
Japan: Edo (edo), Fusan (fsn), Kagoshima (kag), Port Arthur (poa), Sakhurlin
(sak), Sapporo (sap), Seoul (seo), Vladivostok (vla).
Russia: Warsaw (war), Prussia (pru), Sevastopol (sev), Moscow (mos).
USA: Alberta (alb), Anchorage (anc), Atlanta (atl), Austin (aus), The
Bahamas (bah), Barcelone (brc), Bogota (bgt), Cayenne (cyn), Chicago
(chc), Cuba (cub), Denmark (den), Detroit (det), Dublin (dub),
Edinburgh (edi), Galapagos (glp), Haiti (hai), Hawaii (haw), Honduras
(hon), Kansas (kan), Lima (lim), London (lon), Mazatlan (maz), Merida
(mer), Mexico City (mex), Nebraska (neb), New Mexico (nme), New
Orleans (nol), New York (nyc), Norway (nwy), Nova Scotia (nsc),
Oklahoma (okl), Oregon (ore), Panama (pan), Paramaribo (pmb), Quebec
(que), Richmond (ric), San Francisco (sfo), Seattle (sea), Society
Islands (sct), St Petersburg (stp), Sweden (swe), Vancouver (van),
Victoria (vic), Virgin Islands (vis), Washington DC (wdc), Yukon (yuk).

Austria: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Brazil: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Britain: 1 Supply center , 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
China: 1 Supply center , 2 Units: Removes 1 unit.
CSA: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
France: 45 Supply centers, 42 Units: Builds 3 units.
Holland: 67 Supply centers, 63 Units: Builds 4 units.
Japan: 8 Supply centers, 9 Units: Removes 1 unit.
Mexico: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Prussia: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
Russia: 4 Supply centers, 4 Units: Builds 0 units.
Turkey: 0 Supply centers, 0 Units: Builds 0 units.
USA: 46 Supply centers, 40 Units: Builds 6 units.


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