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On 9/13/07, dc123 <dc123(at)diplomaticcorp.com ([email]dc123(at)diplomaticcorp.com[/email])> wrote:[quote:8bfb3369ab] From Lord Nabeshima's Wall Inscriptions:

No matter whether a person belongs to the upper or lower ranks, if he has not put his life onthe line at least once he has cause for shame.

The mists swirl in Fall 1570, landscapes of the game ahead beginning to poke through. The Takeda power their way to a position on the coast at the expense of the Uesugi, the Mori and Oda tribes flex their muscles and the Chosokabe play spoiler to the Shimazu's ambitions. At least one faction finds themselves walking the katana's edge after this turn while several more may soon find themselves in the same position.

We'll set the Winter 1570 adjustment deadline for a couple days from now. Please have your adjustments in to me by Saturday, September 15th (11:59 PM GMT).

If you spot any errors with the adjudication, please just drop me a line. Cheers!

Trout

GAME NUMBER Shade Of The Bonsai A Sengoku Game Game Started: Thursday, August 30th



Current Turn: Fall 1570
Next Deadline: Winter 1570 Adjustments Saturday, September 15th (11:59 PM GMT)


The Honorable Players
Asakura Yoshikage: Joshua Gottesman joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com ([email]joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com[/email]) ( joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com ([email]joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com[/email])) Chosokabe Motochika: David Cross bearlytzu(at)gmail.com ([email]bearlytzu(at)gmail.com[/email]) ( bearlytzu(at)gmail.com ([email]bearlytzu(at)gmail.com[/email])) Hojo Ujimasu: Felix Kamchung felixkamchung(at)mac.com ([email]felixkamchung(at)mac.com[/email]) ( felixkamchung(at)mac.com ([email]felixkamchung(at)mac.com[/email])) Mori Motonari: Samuel Smith samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com ([email]samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com[/email]) ( samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com ([email]samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com[/email])) Oda Nobunaga: Bruce Quinn coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email]) ( coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email])) Shimazu Yoshihisa: Jacob Traegar jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au ([email]jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au[/email]) (jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au ([email]jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au[/email])) Takeda Shingen: Nathan Deily ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email]) (ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email])) Uesugi Kenshin: Patrick Pottorff happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com ([email]happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com[/email]) (happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com ([email]happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com[/email]))


Humble GM: Former Trout former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]) ( former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])) Variant Info http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/s/sengoku.htm

CURRENT SEASON:


FALL 1570 TAKEDA PRESS:
bitter winds of war
bared steel and banners rising
honor and glory


FALL 1570 ORDERS:


UESUGI:
F Toyama - #14 [GM NOTE: #14 = NOTO] OK A Echigo - Kozuke OK

ASAKURA:
F TAN-INA OK A TAM-SET OK

CHOSOKABE:
F Bungo St. S A Bungo OK F Inland Sea M Sanuki OK

HOJO:
A Sagami to Shimosa OK F Sagami Bay to Kazusa OK

MORI:
Navy Suo Sea to capture Chikuzen SC OK Army Aki to capture Bingo SC OK

ODA:
A ISE to Yamato OK F TTS to Totomi OK

SHIMAZU:
F Hyuga - Bungo [BOUNCE with BUN 2:2] A Higo S F Hyuga - Bungo OK

TAKEDA:
A North Shinano - Echigo OK A Musashi S A N Shinano - Echigo OK

WINTER 1570 ADJUSTMENTS:
UESUGI: No Adjustments ASAKURA: BUILDS 2 CHOSOKABE: BUILDS 1 HOJO: BUILDS 1 MORI: BUILDS 2 ODA: BUILDS 2 SHIMAZU: BUILDS 1 TAKEDA: BUILDS 2



UNIT / SUPPLY CENTER BREAKDOWN
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UESUGI:
2 Supply Centers - Ecg, Koz GAIN: Not 1 Army - Koz LOSE: Ecg 1 Fleet - Not


ASAKURA:
2 Supply Centers - Ecz, Omi GAIN: Set, Ina 1 Army - Set LOSE: 1 Fleet - Ina BUILDS 2

CHOSOKABE:
2 Supply Centers - Iyo, Tos GAIN: San 0 Armies - LOSE: 2 Fleets - San, Bus BUILDS 1

HOJO:
2 Supply Centers - Sag, Izu GAIN: Kaz 1 Army - Shs LOSE: 1 Fleet - Kaz BUILDS 1

MORI:
2 Supply Centers - Nag, Iwa GAIN: Bin, Chi 1 Army - Bin LOSE: 1 Fleet - Chi BUILDS 2

ODA:
2 Supply Centers - Owa, Mik GAIN: Yam, Tot 1 Army - Yam LOSE: 1 Fleet - Tot BUILDS 2

SHIMAZU:
2 Supply Centers - Sat, Osu GAIN: Hig 1 Army - Hig LOSE: 1 Fleet - Hyu BUILDS 1

TAKEDA:
2 Supply Centers - Kai, Ssh GAIN: Ecg, Mus 2 Armies - Mus, Ech LOSE: 0 Fleets - BUILDS 2

NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1570 ADJUSTMENTS DUE SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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From Lord Nabeshima's Wall Inscriptions:

No matter whether a person belongs to the upper or lower ranks, if he has not put his life onthe line at least once he has cause for shame.

The mists swirl in Fall 1570, landscapes of the game ahead beginning to poke through. The Takeda power their way to a position on the coast at the expense of the Uesugi, the Mori and Oda tribes flex their muscles and the Chosokabe play spoiler to the Shimazu's ambitions. At least one faction finds themselves walking the katana's edge after this turn while several more may soon find themselves in the same position.

We'll set the Winter 1570 adjustment deadline for a couple days from now. Please have your adjustments in to me by Saturday, September 15th (11:59 PM GMT).

If you spot any errors with the adjudication, please just drop me a line. Cheers!

Trout

GAME NUMBER Shade Of The Bonsai A Sengoku Game Game Started: Thursday, August 30th



Current Turn: Fall 1570
Next Deadline: Winter 1570 Adjustments Saturday, September 15th (11:59 PM GMT)


The Honorable Players
Asakura Yoshikage: Joshua Gottesman joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com ([email]joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com[/email]) ( joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com ([email]joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com[/email])) Chosokabe Motochika: David Cross bearlytzu(at)gmail.com ([email]bearlytzu(at)gmail.com[/email]) ( bearlytzu(at)gmail.com ([email]bearlytzu(at)gmail.com[/email])) Hojo Ujimasu: Felix Kamchung felixkamchung(at)mac.com ([email]felixkamchung(at)mac.com[/email]) ( felixkamchung(at)mac.com ([email]felixkamchung(at)mac.com[/email])) Mori Motonari: Samuel Smith samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com ([email]samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com[/email]) ( samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com ([email]samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com[/email])) Oda Nobunaga: Bruce Quinn coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email]) ( coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email])) Shimazu Yoshihisa: Jacob Traegar jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au ([email]jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au[/email]) (jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au ([email]jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au[/email])) Takeda Shingen: Nathan Deily ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email]) (ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email])) Uesugi Kenshin: Patrick Pottorff happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com ([email]happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com[/email]) (happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com ([email]happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com[/email]))


Humble GM: Former Trout former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]) ( former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])) Variant Info http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/s/sengoku.htm

CURRENT SEASON:


FALL 1570 TAKEDA PRESS:
bitter winds of war
bared steel and banners rising
honor and glory


FALL 1570 ORDERS:


UESUGI:
F Toyama - #14 [GM NOTE: #14 = NOTO] OK A Echigo - Kozuke OK

ASAKURA:
F TAN-INA OK A TAM-SET OK

CHOSOKABE:
F Bungo St. S A Bungo OK F Inland Sea M Sanuki OK

HOJO:
A Sagami to Shimosa OK F Sagami Bay to Kazusa OK

MORI:
Navy Suo Sea to capture Chikuzen SC OK Army Aki to capture Bingo SC OK

ODA:
A ISE to Yamato OK F TTS to Totomi OK

SHIMAZU:
F Hyuga - Bungo [BOUNCE with BUN 2:2] A Higo S F Hyuga - Bungo OK

TAKEDA:
A North Shinano - Echigo OK A Musashi S A N Shinano - Echigo OK

WINTER 1570 ADJUSTMENTS:
UESUGI: No Adjustments ASAKURA: BUILDS 2 CHOSOKABE: BUILDS 1 HOJO: BUILDS 1 MORI: BUILDS 2 ODA: BUILDS 2 SHIMAZU: BUILDS 1 TAKEDA: BUILDS 2



UNIT / SUPPLY CENTER BREAKDOWN
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UESUGI:
2 Supply Centers - Ecg, Koz GAIN: Not 1 Army - Koz LOSE: Ecg 1 Fleet - Not


ASAKURA:
2 Supply Centers - Ecz, Omi GAIN: Set, Ina 1 Army - Set LOSE: 1 Fleet - Ina BUILDS 2

CHOSOKABE:
2 Supply Centers - Iyo, Tos GAIN: San 0 Armies - LOSE: 2 Fleets - San, Bus BUILDS 1

HOJO:
2 Supply Centers - Sag, Izu GAIN: Kaz 1 Army - Shs LOSE: 1 Fleet - Kaz BUILDS 1

MORI:
2 Supply Centers - Nag, Iwa GAIN: Bin, Chi 1 Army - Bin LOSE: 1 Fleet - Chi BUILDS 2

ODA:
2 Supply Centers - Owa, Mik GAIN: Yam, Tot 1 Army - Yam LOSE: 1 Fleet - Tot BUILDS 2

SHIMAZU:
2 Supply Centers - Sat, Osu GAIN: Hig 1 Army - Hig LOSE: 1 Fleet - Hyu BUILDS 1

TAKEDA:
2 Supply Centers - Kai, Ssh GAIN: Ecg, Mus 2 Armies - Mus, Ech LOSE: 0 Fleets - BUILDS 2

NEXT DEADLINE: WINTER 1570 ADJUSTMENTS DUE SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 15TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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From the Regulations of Kuroda Nagamasa:

The arts of peace and the arts of war are like to wheels of a cart which, lacking one, will have difficulty in standing.

The spirits of the islands watch in awe at the busy work of their human brothers as Winter 1573 rises and ebbs.  As the snows melt, a new Shimazu fleet is seen in Osumi, a Mori army stands ready at Chikuzen as does an Oda one in Totomi.  The Asakura set sail from Inaba in a new navy and the Takeda, not to be out-done, raise a new army in South Shinano and launch a new fleet in Echigo.  The Hojo keep busy scuttling their fleets at sea and the Chosokabe slip from the pages of the struggle.

I'd like to say thanks to Mike one last time for stepping in and taking a very difficult position.  I definitely appreciate it.  And with that, we move on to Spring 1574.  I'll set a quick deadline and call orders due for Friday, November 9th (11:59 PM GMT).  If this is too quick for anyone though, please just let me know.

Cheers folks.  Let me know if you spot any errors.

Trout

GAME NUMBERShade Of The BonsaiA Sengoku GameGame Started:Thursday, August 30th



Current Turn:Winter 1573
Next Deadline:Spring 1574 OrdersFriday, November 9th (11:59 PM GMT)


The Honorable Players
Asakura Yoshikage:Joshua Gottesmanjoshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com ([email]joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com[/email])Chosokabe Motochika:Mike Simsmike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email])Hojo Ujimasu:Felix Kamchungfelixkamchung(at)mac.com ([email]felixkamchung(at)mac.com[/email])Mori Motonari:Samuel Smithagenbite.lee(at)gmail.com ([email]agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com[/email])Oda Nobunaga:Bruce Quinncoebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email])Shimazu Yoshihisa:Jacob Traegarjacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au ([email]jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au[/email])Takeda Shingen:Nathan Deilyndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email])Uesugi Kenshinatrick Pottorffhappyguy99993(at)yahoo.com ([email]happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com[/email])


Humble GM:Former Troutformer.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])Variant Infohttp://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/s/sengoku.htm

WINTER 1573 ADJUSTMENTS:
Chosokabe:AUTO-DISBAND F Bungo StraitsHojo:disband the two fleets in the water
[GM NOTE:  DISBAND F PAO, F SAB]Morilace A in ChikuzenOda:build an Army in TotomiShimazu:B F OsumiTakeda:BUILDS F Echigo, A South ShinanoAsakura:Build F Inaba



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HOJO:
1 Supply Center - Izu
0 Armies -
1 Fleet - Izu


MORI:
8 Supply Centers - Nag, Iwa, Bin, Chi, Izm, San, Iyo, Hiz
4 Armies - San, Izm, Hiz, Chi
4 Fleets - Sus, Ecs, Iyo, Tss


ODA:
7 Supply Centers - Owa, Mik, Yat, Tot, Ise, Kii, Min
5 Armies - Sur, Min, Ise, Mik, Tot
2 Fleets - Sub, Osb


SHIMAZU:
5 Supply Centers - Sat, Osu, Hig, Bun, Tos
2 Armies - Bun, Tos
3 Fleets - Hyc, Spo, Osu


TAKEDA:
10 Supply Centers - Kai, Ssh, Ecg, Mus, Koz, Nsh, Sag, Kaz, Hit, Mut
8 Armies - Kaz, Hit, Etc, Kai, Hid, Mus, Sag, Ssh
2 Fleets - Mut, Ecg


ASAKURA:
7 Supply Centers - Ecz, Omi, Set, Ina, Yas, Biz, Not
4 Armies - Omi, Tng, Ecz, Not
3 Fleets - Wab, Soj, Ina


UESUGI - ELIMINATED 1572


CHOSOKABE - ELIMINATED 1573


NEXT DEADLINE:  SPRING 1574 ORDERS DUE FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 9TH (11:59 PM GMT)!!

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The apple blossom
Falls once more come eighteen chimes
Will this be the last?

I have two sets of orders in guys. Need four more. Cheers!

Trout

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haiku
is not your forte

pray that fate is yours


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On Nov 27, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Former Trout wrote:

[quote:d5affb933f]The apple blossom
Falls once more come eighteen chimes
Will this be the last?

I have two sets of orders in guys. Need four more. Cheers!

Trout

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Ouch....

=P

On Nov 27, 2007 10:34 PM, Felix Kam Chung <felixkamchung(at)mac.com ([email]felixkamchung(at)mac.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:5e8dafd3b6]do
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it

haiku
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pray that fate is yours


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On Nov 27, 2007, at 9:28 PM, Former Trout wrote:

[quote:5e8dafd3b6]The apple blossom
Falls once more come eighteen chimes
Will this be the last?

I have two sets of orders in guys. Need four more. Cheers!

Trout

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I found this to be an interesting variant, and if I had it to do over
again, I probably would have been more aggressive as Asakura. The
function of the ronin territories threw me off a bit. I really didn't
expect other powers to be supporting them, I just expected them to be
road bumps, and that threw off my early game. I suppose that's why we
play these variants more than once (except myopic...I will never play
myopic again).

Congratulations to Lord Mori on his victory, and at some level I
suppose I could have done more to stop it. However, most of the
mid-game was spent attempting to prevent a Takeda victory, and if
someone had to win, I'm happy it was Mori rather than Takeda. Takeda
almost got away with his plan to pit Oda and Asakura against each
other so that he could quickly get to 12 centers. Thankfully Oda and
I had been negotiating a lot early and had established enough rapport
that we avoided that crisis. I remember the Oda press I was forwarded
from Takeda to which I wrote a scathing reply to Oda entitled "I know
of your treachery!" Oda talked me off the ledge, and I begrudgingly
kept my trust in him. As we continued to talk, it became clear that
Takeda was forwarding my press to Oda (and Hojo, I think) and Oda's
press to me, and some of Hojo's press. When we figured this out, our
course became clear. We started sending out false dispatches, just to
confirm that Takeda would forward them. He did, and this allowed us
to plan against him, and reverse his expansion. We brought in the
failing Hojo, who pledged his last unit to the cause, and we were
devoted to having him survive the game and am glad we can. I never
did have a lot of force to shift against Mori, however I probably
could have sent a few units south, and perhaps Oda could have added
one or two, and I'm not sure it would have made a big difference. In
the north Takeda would have been stymied rather than pushed back,
however I'm not sure if grabbing 1 or 2 Mori centers would have done
more than delay the inevitable. With no enemies behind him, he could
have brought his entire force to bear against a small portion of mine.

All in all, an enjoyable game, and I'll look forward to more in the future.

Joshua Gottesman
Asakura

On Nov 30, 2007 9:02 AM, Nathan Deily wrote:
[quote:0faa965aa5]
All - I'd like to echo everyone's comments about how successfully this game
was run and appreciate everyone being on tiem most of the time with orders,
etc. I always get frustrated when games bog down.

As far as EOG thoughts go, I agonized over the decision to stab Hojo, but
with the 12 center victory condition I felt I had a good shot at grabbing
the shogunate. In hindsight, it might have been better to be less engaged
with Oda and Asakura in attempting to play them off against one another, and
have tried to cement one side of that equation in my favor. I suspected
whatever I did might well be undone by the stab to Hojo anyways, so the
challenge was to grab the 12th center as fast as I could afterwards. It was
worth a shot. It would have been interesting to keep the alliance alive and
try to take oda down, but with the way things were shaping up with Mori, I
didn't think there'd be time to succeed *and* then turn on Hojo, so I went
for it. My congratulations go to my immediate neighbors for playing a great
game and holding me from the solo long enough for Mori to take it. I do wish
Shimazu hadn't been taken in, but being frustrated from growth for so long
must have been maddening.

May you all come to Buddha's palm someday and may your next life be an
honorable one.

Kampai!

Takeda Shingen (Nathan)


----- Original Message ----
From: Former Trout
To: DC123(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: B H ; Bruce Quinn ; Felix
Kamchung ; Jacob Traeger
; Joshua Gottesman
; Nathan Deily ; Patrick
Pottorff ; Samuel Smith ;
Samuel Smith ; Steve Lytton


Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:55:04 PM
Subject: DC123 Shade Of The Bonsai - Fall 1575 - Swans - MORI SOLO!!

From the Iwamisudera Monogatari:

Learning is to a man as leaves and branches are for a tree, and can be said
that he should simply not be without it.

The drums of war fall silent as the Shogun rises from the south and quells
all opposition. With definity, the Mori eliminate the last Shimazu
resistance and surge to 13 supply centers - propelling Lee to a clear solo
victory. The Oda and Asakura make a few attempted moves to the south, but
the Mori don't give an inch. Meanwhile, the Hojo despite all odds eke out a
survival and the Takeda watch - knowing that one day the Mori defenses will
slip...

However, that is not to be in this game. Congratulations to Lee for his
fine solo victory. My thanks, also, to all players on the board - both
surviving and eliminated. This is one of my favorite variants, and it was a
true pleasure to watch this one unfold.

So - that wraps up DC-123, Shade Of The Bonsai. End-of-game statements are
MORE than welcome. I know Benjamin GREATLY values any input you have into
the layout of the board, the positioning of the pieces and and general
thoughts you have about the development of the Sengoku variant.

Thanks for the fun game everyone. We'll see you on the next board.. =)

Trout



GAME NUMBER Shade Of The Bonsai A Sengoku Game
Game Started: Thursday, August 30th





Current Turn: Fall 1575

GAME RESULT: MORI 13 CENTRE SOLO - YEAR 1575




The Honorable Players

Asakura Yoshikage: Joshua Gottesman joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com
Chosokabe Motochika: Mike Sims mike(at)southwall.com
Hojo Ujimasu: Felix Kamchung felixkamchung(at)mac.com
Mori Motonari: Samuel Smith agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com
Oda Nobunaga: Bruce Quinn coebq(at)yahoo.com
Shimazu Yoshihisa: Jacob Traegar jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au
Takeda Shingen: Nathan Deily ndeily(at)yahoo.com
Uesugi Kenshin: Patrick Pottorff happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com




Humble GM: Former Trout former.trout(at)gmail.com
Variant Info http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/s/sengoku.htm


CURRENT SEASON:




FALL 1575 TAKEDA PRESS:

achieving nothing

our cowardly foes ignore

the true deadly threat




FALL 1575 HOJO PRESS:

DEATH IS NOT MY MIDDLE NAME!







FALL 1575 ORDERS:




ODA:

F Kii Straits to Tosa [BOUNCE with TOS 1:1]
A Kii to Awa VOID
A Totomi to Suruga OK
A S. Shinano holds OK
A Mino S A S. Shinano to hold OK
A Hida S A S. Shinano to hold OK
F Pacific Ocean to N. Pacific Ocean OK



SHIMAZU:

A Hyu Holds [DISBANDED by BUN 2:1]
A Osu Holds [DISBANDED by HIG 2:1]



TAKEDA:

F Noto S A Echigo - Etchu [DISBANDED by ETC 3:2]
F Toyama Bay S F Noto H OK
F Hitachi - Mutsu [BOUNCE with NSJ 1:1]
A Kazusa H OK
A Shimosa - Sagami OK
A Echigo - Etchu OK
A Kai S A N. Shinano H OK
A North Shinano H OK
A Sagami - Musashi OK



ASAKURA:

A Echizen - Tango OK
A Etchu - Noto OK
A Hoki - Bingo [BOUNCE with IZU 1:1]
A Kaga Supports A Etchu - Noto OK
F North Sea of Japan - Mutsu [BOUNCE with HIT 1:1]
F Sanin Coast - Iwami Coast OK
F Wakasa Bay Supports A Etchu - Noto OK



HOJO:

HOLD ALL UNITS UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED

[GM NOTE: F IZU HOLDS] OK



MORI:

A from Izumo to Bingo [BOUNCE with HOK 1:1]
A from Iwami to Aki OK
A from Nagato to Iwami OK
A from Chikuzen to Nagato OK
F from East China Sea to higo OK
A from Bungo attacks Hyuga Ok
F from Hyuga Coast supports A from Bungo attacking Hyuga OK
A from Higo attacks Osumi OK
F from Satsuma supports A from Higo attaking Osumi OK
[GM NOTE: A AWA UNORDERED - HOLDS] OK
[GM NOTE: F TOSA UNORDERED - HOLDS] OK






EARLY WINTER 1575 RETREATS:

Shimazu A Hyga is Automatically Disbanded

Shimazu A Osumi is Automatically Disbanded

Takeda F Noto is Automatically Disbanded







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ODA:

8 Supply Centers - Owa, Mik, Yat, Tot, Ise, Kii, Min, Ssh

5 Armies - Hid, Kii, Min, Sur, Ssh

2 Fleets - Npo, Kis




TAKEDA:

9 Supply Centers - Kai, Ecg, Mus, Koz, Nsh, Sag, Kaz, Hit, Mut

6 Armies - Kaz, Sag, Etc, Kai, Nsh, Mus

2 Fleets - Tob, Hit




ASAKURA:

7 Supply Centers - Ecz, Omi, Set, Ina, Yas, Biz, Not

4 Armies - Tng, Hok, Kag, Not

3 Fleets - Wab, Nsj, Iwc




HOJO:

1 Supply Center - Izu

0 Armies -

1 Fleet - Izu




MORI:

13 Supply Centers - Nag, Iwa, Bin, Chi, Izm, San, Iyo, Hiz, Tos, Sat, Bun,
Hig, Osu

7 Armies - Awa, Izm, Osu, Hyu, Iwa, Aki, Nag

4 Fleets - Hyc, Sat, Tos, Hig




UESUGI - ELIMINATED 1572




CHOSOKABE - ELIMINATED 1573




SHIMAZU - ELIMINATED 1575

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All - I'd like to echo everyone's comments about how successfully this game
was run and appreciate everyone being on tiem most of the time with orders,
etc. I always get frustrated when games bog down.

As far as EOG thoughts go, I agonized over the decision to stab Hojo, but
with the 12 center victory condition I felt I had a good shot at grabbing
the shogunate. In hindsight, it might have been better to be less engaged
with Oda and Asakura in attempting to play them off against one another, and
have tried to cement one side of that equation in my favor. I suspected
whatever I did might well be undone by the stab to Hojo anyways, so the
challenge was to grab the 12th center as fast as I could afterwards. It was
worth a shot. It would have been interesting to keep the alliance alive and
try to take oda down, but with the way things were shaping up with Mori, I
didn't think there'd be time to succeed *and* then turn on Hojo, so I went
for it. My congratulations go to my immediate neighbors for playing a great
game and holding me from the solo long enough for Mori to take it. I do wish
Shimazu hadn't been taken in, but being frustrated from growth for so long
must have been maddening.

May you all come to Buddha's palm someday and may your next life be an
honorable one.

Kampai!

Takeda Shingen (Nathan)


----- Original Message ----
From: Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com>
To: DC123(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Cc: B H <nairenvorbeck(at)yahoo.com>; Bruce Quinn <coebq(at)yahoo.com>; Felix
Kamchung <felixkamchung(at)mac.com>; Jacob Traeger
<jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au>; Joshua Gottesman
<joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com>; Nathan Deily <ndeily(at)yahoo.com>; Patrick
Pottorff <happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com>; Samuel Smith <agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com>;
Samuel Smith <samuelsmithf(at)yahoo.com>; Steve Lytton
<stevelytton(at)hotmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:55:04 PM
Subject: DC123 Shade Of The Bonsai - Fall 1575 - Swans - MORI SOLO!!

From the Iwamisudera Monogatari:

Learning is to a man as leaves and branches are for a tree, and can be said
that he should simply not be without it.

The drums of war fall silent as the Shogun rises from the south and quells
all opposition. With definity, the Mori eliminate the last Shimazu
resistance and surge to 13 supply centers - propelling Lee to a clear solo
victory. The Oda and Asakura make a few attempted moves to the south, but
the Mori don't give an inch. Meanwhile, the Hojo despite all odds eke out a
survival and the Takeda watch - knowing that one day the Mori defenses will
slip...

However, that is not to be in this game. Congratulations to Lee for his
fine solo victory. My thanks, also, to all players on the board - both
surviving and eliminated. This is one of my favorite variants, and it was a
true pleasure to watch this one unfold.

So - that wraps up DC-123, Shade Of The Bonsai. End-of-game statements are
MORE than welcome. I know Benjamin GREATLY values any input you have into
the layout of the board, the positioning of the pieces and and general
thoughts you have about the development of the Sengoku variant.

Thanks for the fun game everyone. We'll see you on the next board.. =)

Trout



GAME NUMBER Shade Of The Bonsai A Sengoku Game
Game Started: Thursday, August 30th





Current Turn: Fall 1575

GAME RESULT: MORI 13 CENTRE SOLO - YEAR 1575




The Honorable Players

Asakura Yoshikage: Joshua Gottesman joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com
Chosokabe Motochika: Mike Sims mike(at)southwall.com
Hojo Ujimasu: Felix Kamchung felixkamchung(at)mac.com
Mori Motonari: Samuel Smith agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com
Oda Nobunaga: Bruce Quinn coebq(at)yahoo.com
Shimazu Yoshihisa: Jacob Traegar jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au
Takeda Shingen: Nathan Deily ndeily(at)yahoo.com
Uesugi Kenshin: Patrick Pottorff happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com




Humble GM: Former Trout former.trout(at)gmail.com
Variant Info http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/s/sengoku.htm


CURRENT SEASON:




FALL 1575 TAKEDA PRESS:

achieving nothing

our cowardly foes ignore

the true deadly threat




FALL 1575 HOJO PRESS:

DEATH IS NOT MY MIDDLE NAME!







FALL 1575 ORDERS:




ODA:

F Kii Straits to Tosa [BOUNCE with TOS 1:1]
A Kii to Awa VOID
A Totomi to Suruga OK
A S. Shinano holds OK
A Mino S A S. Shinano to hold OK
A Hida S A S. Shinano to hold OK
F Pacific Ocean to N. Pacific Ocean OK



SHIMAZU:

A Hyu Holds [DISBANDED by BUN 2:1]
A Osu Holds [DISBANDED by HIG 2:1]



TAKEDA:

F Noto S A Echigo - Etchu [DISBANDED by ETC 3:2]
F Toyama Bay S F Noto H OK
F Hitachi - Mutsu [BOUNCE with NSJ 1:1]
A Kazusa H OK
A Shimosa - Sagami OK
A Echigo - Etchu OK
A Kai S A N. Shinano H OK
A North Shinano H OK
A Sagami - Musashi OK



ASAKURA:

A Echizen - Tango OK
A Etchu - Noto OK
A Hoki - Bingo [BOUNCE with IZU 1:1]
A Kaga Supports A Etchu - Noto OK
F North Sea of Japan - Mutsu [BOUNCE with HIT 1:1]
F Sanin Coast - Iwami Coast OK
F Wakasa Bay Supports A Etchu - Noto OK



HOJO:

HOLD ALL UNITS UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED

[GM NOTE: F IZU HOLDS] OK



MORI:

A from Izumo to Bingo [BOUNCE with HOK 1:1]
A from Iwami to Aki OK
A from Nagato to Iwami OK
A from Chikuzen to Nagato OK
F from East China Sea to higo OK
A from Bungo attacks Hyuga Ok
F from Hyuga Coast supports A from Bungo attacking Hyuga OK
A from Higo attacks Osumi OK
F from Satsuma supports A from Higo attaking Osumi OK
[GM NOTE: A AWA UNORDERED - HOLDS] OK
[GM NOTE: F TOSA UNORDERED - HOLDS] OK






EARLY WINTER 1575 RETREATS:

Shimazu A Hyga is Automatically Disbanded

Shimazu A Osumi is Automatically Disbanded

Takeda F Noto is Automatically Disbanded







------------------------------




ODA:

8 Supply Centers - Owa, Mik, Yat, Tot, Ise, Kii, Min, Ssh

5 Armies - Hid, Kii, Min, Sur, Ssh

2 Fleets - Npo, Kis




TAKEDA:

9 Supply Centers - Kai, Ecg, Mus, Koz, Nsh, Sag, Kaz, Hit, Mut

6 Armies - Kaz, Sag, Etc, Kai, Nsh, Mus

2 Fleets - Tob, Hit




ASAKURA:

7 Supply Centers - Ecz, Omi, Set, Ina, Yas, Biz, Not

4 Armies - Tng, Hok, Kag, Not

3 Fleets - Wab, Nsj, Iwc




HOJO:

1 Supply Center - Izu

0 Armies -

1 Fleet - Izu




MORI:

13 Supply Centers - Nag, Iwa, Bin, Chi, Izm, San, Iyo, Hiz, Tos, Sat, Bun,
Hig, Osu

7 Armies - Awa, Izm, Osu, Hyu, Iwa, Aki, Nag

4 Fleets - Hyc, Sat, Tos, Hig




UESUGI - ELIMINATED 1572




CHOSOKABE - ELIMINATED 1573




SHIMAZU - ELIMINATED 1575

[Reply]

The new Shogun greets his old enemies.

First off, I just wanted to say thanks to all the players for making my first online game a lot of fun and to Trout for being a great GM.

Concerning the game, I wasn't sure how quickly these are supposed to go on, since this was my first. How long was this game expected to last?

Here's my try at an EOG: Although I see B H's point about it being easier to control one side of the sea and then just move up and down the coast. What I'm skeptical about, is whether you can get an alliance in which you won't get stabbed. When starting the game, Chosokabe proposed this, and I was immediately suspicious that he was trying to set me up for a stab. The problem is that Japan is just so narrow that it is almost impossible to split the island down the middle and still have enough strategic depth to weather a stab and still have something to fall back on. From the beginning. I thought the best way to get the 12 SC's was to take on either my two island opponents and stay out of what I saw as a separate sphere to the northeast. I guess, if there was a good balance between Chosokabe and Shimazu, Mori could try and take on Asakura or Oda, but the only trouble is that, if the balance didn't hold, either Shimazu or Chosokabe would end up surrounding Mori on two-sides, and it would be so tempting to try and swallow him up.

As far as the 12 or 15 thing is concerned, I still think, although it didn't happen this time, a 12 SC victory would be better for those powers in the center of the main island. Even if it had been 15 SC's to solo, I had 13 and no one to attack me on 3 sides. I would just throw everything I had up north, and I think I would have still gotten 15. And if everyone hadn't thrown everything at Takeda, he would have been able to do the same thing sooner. It demonstrates the problem that I was talking about earlier. For the six players on either end, the way to win this variant is to dominate their end. For the 2 middle players, the moving-up-the-coast strategy might work better, and I think that the 12 SC variant gives them a better chance, even if their chances still aren't as good as the end players.

By the way, the misorders were accidental, not strategic.

Anyways, I really enjoyed the game, and would definitely be up for playing this variant in the future.

From the new Bakufu,
Mori




On Nov 29, 2007 8:01 AM, B H < nairenvorbeck(at)yahoo.com ([email]nairenvorbeck(at)yahoo.com[/email])> wrote:
[quote:b2d850d15c] I have a short EOG of my own as an observer. Just notes really...

Since the most recent map revision, I have now seen games played at the 12 and 15 SC count victory conditions, and as it seems this one ended prematurely, that 15 (or perhaps even higher?) is the correct number. The lower SC victory count was created with two reasons in mind, one of which it does not appear to accomplish at all.

The first was to create greater chances of Oda and Asakura victory - those two in the middle that start in a minefield of open SCs would be able to race to an early solo if the outside "triangles" of C/M/S and T/U/H did not intervene.

The second reason was historical accuracy. Oda Nobunaga carved out an area roughly equivalent to 12 SCs when he earned the title of Shogun.

Anywho, I imagine the Takeda are a bit annoyed at the variant design right now, and perhaps rightly so at the 12 SC victory condition. Sengoku is designed to play MUCH faster than a game of Standard, which can last well over a year sometimes. But not this fast.

That said...

In the last four games of Sengoku, I have seen an interesting phenomenon that puzzles me a bit. Players have chosen the difficult path of operating on both the top and bottom of the map (geographical east and west, but for simplicity's sake, top and bottom). Takeda chose to polish off Uesugi in his entirety, and Hojo feels that his stab was premature. I would have stabbed even earlier perhaps, or not at all. But by operating on the top and bottom of the map, Takeda was vulnerable to the O/A coalition that stonewalled him, without placing them in the uncomfortable position of tripping over each other trying to attack him - each had ample Takeda targets on the top coast and the bottom coast.

My point is this, it's easiest to solo in Sengoku by mostly running up a coastline, whichever power you play, rather than trying to split your fleets on both sides of Japan.

As for Mori, his rise to power was astonishing. It seemed that he even misordered or neglected to order some of his units on multiple occasions. Tactic to appear non-threatening? Intentional timing to divert the attention to Takeda as Hojo claims? Maybe - regardless, his strike was extremely effective, and represents the first PBEM Mori solo that I'm aware of. (Mori players have soloed over a paper map in FTF before in earlier revisions).

Oda and Asakura played pretty much textbook - they did very well, but I don't think anyone in their position could have done well enough to deal with the extremely rapid rise of both Takeda and Mori. F1575 is one of the quickest endstates I've ever seen, draw resolutions included.

So we see the feature of Sengoku that annoys some people at work - it is entirely possible to do very well in your area, and have someone solo on the other side of the map just by doing a little bit better, even without coming into contact with each other.

Hope that doesn't turn anyone off to the variant, I enjoyed watching this one immensely, and hope you will play again sometime at whatever SC victory condition, 12 or 15. Congratulations to our new Mori shogun!

B!


Former Trout <former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email])> wrote:



[quote:b2d850d15c]From the Iwamisudera Monogatari:

Learning is to a man as leaves and branches are for a tree, and can be said that he should simply not be without it.

The drums of war fall silent as the Shogun rises from the south and quells all opposition. With definity, the Mori eliminate the last Shimazu resistance and surge to 13 supply centers - propelling Lee to a clear solo victory. The Oda and Asakura make a few attempted moves to the south, but the Mori don't give an inch. Meanwhile, the Hojo despite all odds eke out a survival and the Takeda watch - knowing that one day the Mori defenses will slip...

However, that is not to be in this game. Congratulations to Lee for his fine solo victory. My thanks, also, to all players on the board - both surviving and eliminated. This is one of my favorite variants, and it was a true pleasure to watch this one unfold.

So - that wraps up DC-123, Shade Of The Bonsai. End-of-game statements are MORE than welcome. I know Benjamin GREATLY values any input you have into the layout of the board, the positioning of the pieces and and general thoughts you have about the development of the Sengoku variant.

Thanks for the fun game everyone. We'll see you on the next board.. =)

Trout


GAME NUMBER Shade Of The Bonsai A Sengoku Game Game Started: Thursday, August 30th



Current Turn: Fall 1575
GAME RESULT: MORI 13 CENTRE SOLO - YEAR 1575


The Honorable Players
Asakura Yoshikage: Joshua Gottesman joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com ([email]joshua.gottesman(at)gmail.com[/email]) Chosokabe Motochika: Mike Sims mike(at)southwall.com ([email]mike(at)southwall.com[/email]) Hojo Ujimasu: Felix Kamchung felixkamchung(at)mac.com ([email]felixkamchung(at)mac.com[/email]) Mori Motonari: Samuel Smith agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com ([email]agenbite.lee(at)gmail.com[/email]) Oda Nobunaga: Bruce Quinn coebq(at)yahoo.com ([email]coebq(at)yahoo.com[/email]) Shimazu Yoshihisa: Jacob Traegar jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au ([email]jacob.traeger(at)student.adelaide.edu.au[/email]) Takeda Shingen: Nathan Deily ndeily(at)yahoo.com ([email]ndeily(at)yahoo.com[/email]) Uesugi Kenshin: Patrick Pottorff happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com ([email]happyguy99993(at)yahoo.com[/email])


Humble GM: Former Trout former.trout(at)gmail.com ([email]former.trout(at)gmail.com[/email]) Variant Info http://www.variantbank.org/results/rules/s/sengoku.htm

CURRENT SEASON:


FALL 1575 TAKEDA PRESS:
achieving nothing
our cowardly foes ignore
the true deadly threat


FALL 1575 HOJO PRESS:
DEATH IS NOT MY MIDDLE NAME!




FALL 1575 ORDERS:


ODA:
F Kii Straits to Tosa [BOUNCE with TOS 1:1] A Kii to Awa VOID A Totomi to Suruga OK A S. Shinano holds OK A Mino S A S. Shinano to hold OK A Hida S A S. Shinano to hold OK F Pacific Ocean to N. Pacific Ocean OK

SHIMAZU:
A Hyu Holds [DISBANDED by BUN 2:1] A Osu Holds [DISBANDED by HIG 2:1]

TAKEDA:
F Noto S A Echigo - Etchu [DISBANDED by ETC 3:2] F Toyama Bay S F Noto H OK F Hitachi - Mutsu [BOUNCE with NSJ 1:1] A Kazusa H OK A Shimosa - Sagami OK A Echigo - Etchu OK A Kai S A N. Shinano H OK A North Shinano H OK A Sagami - Musashi OK

ASAKURA:
A Echizen - Tango OK A Etchu - Noto OK A Hoki - Bingo [BOUNCE with IZU 1:1] A Kaga Supports A Etchu - Noto OK F North Sea of Japan - Mutsu [BOUNCE with HIT 1:1] F Sanin Coast - Iwami Coast OK F Wakasa Bay Supports A Etchu - Noto OK

HOJO:
HOLD ALL UNITS UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED
[GM NOTE: F IZU HOLDS] OK

MORI:
A from Izumo to Bingo [BOUNCE with HOK 1:1] A from Iwami to Aki OK A from Nagato to Iwami OK A from Chikuzen to Nagato OK F from East China Sea to higo OK A from Bungo attacks Hyuga Ok F from Hyuga Coast supports A from Bungo attacking Hyuga OK A from Higo attacks Osumi OK F from Satsuma supports A from Higo attaking Osumi OK [GM NOTE: A AWA UNORDERED - HOLDS] OK [GM NOTE: F TOSA UNORDERED - HOLDS] OK



EARLY WINTER 1575 RETREATS:
Shimazu A Hyga is Automatically Disbanded
Shimazu A Osumi is Automatically Disbanded
Takeda F Noto is Automatically Disbanded




------------------------------


ODA:
8 Supply Centers - Owa, Mik, Yat, Tot, Ise, Kii, Min, Ssh
5 Armies - Hid, Kii, Min, Sur, Ssh
2 Fleets - Npo, Kis


TAKEDA:
9 Supply Centers - Kai, Ecg, Mus, Koz, Nsh, Sag, Kaz, Hit, Mut
6 Armies - Kaz, Sag, Etc, Kai, Nsh, Mus
2 Fleets - Tob, Hit


ASAKURA:
7 Supply Centers - Ecz, Omi, Set, Ina, Yas, Biz, Not
4 Armies - Tng, Hok, Kag, Not
3 Fleets - Wab, Nsj, Iwc


HOJO:
1 Supply Center - Izu
0 Armies -
1 Fleet - Izu


MORI:
13 Supply Centers - Nag, Iwa, Bin, Chi, Izm, San, Iyo, Hiz, Tos, Sat, Bun, Hig, Osu
7 Armies - Awa, Izm, Osu, Hyu, Iwa, Aki, Nag
4 Fleets - Hyc, Sat, Tos, Hig


UESUGI - ELIMINATED 1572


CHOSOKABE - ELIMINATED 1573


SHIMAZU - ELIMINATED 1575

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