I think I'm finally beginning to see why it was so difficult to get everyone engaged in the beginning. Sounds like burn-out from a rather nasty contretemps.

For what it's worth, I agree very strongly with the Jack's principles. That IS what Diplomacy is about. You can't up and quit just because someone doesn't accept your arguments. And if someone gets snotty or rude with me they can forget about getting my support after that.

Quitters ruin things for everyone, which is why I often step in and take replacement positions. I'm not quite as bold about it as I used to be, though. Now I check out who's playing and who's GM'ing before I sign up. Picking this game was easy on that score. I would gladly play with any of you gentlemen again.

Chris


From: Jack McHugh <jwmchughjr(at)gmail.com>
To: Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu>
Cc: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>; the_master642(at)yahoo.com; The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>; Stephen Worthy <stephen(at)worthy1.fsnet.co.uk>; g_mod23(at)hotmail.com; scaponig(at)yahoo.com; stephenworthy(at)rocketmail.com; camorse22(at)yahoo.com; stevelytton(at)gmail.com; dc218(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:30:12 AM
Subject: Re: DC 218 SHIFT LEFT:GERMAN SOLO - FALL 1914

matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])> wrote:

Hey guys,

First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me right before I would have been ready to fend him off. As for the rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most annoying games of which I have been a part. The initial Germany's tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up into a huge argument. And, looking back at the game as a whole, even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

Matt
Russia

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First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his solo with 18 centers!!

Second - Thank you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very end.

The final orders:

Austria:
F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
A Greece Hold
A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
A Tyrolia - Vienna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
A Venice - Tyrolia
A Vienna - Budapest

France:
A Brest - Gascony
A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

Germany:
A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
A Galicia, no move received
A Gascony - Marseilles
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
A Munich Supports A Bohemia
F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Picardy - Brest
A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
A Wales Hold
A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

Italy:
F Adriatic Sea Hold
F Ionian Sea - Tunis
F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
A Tuscany - Rome

Turkey:
F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol





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