Jack (and others),

Don't read more into my comments than is there.  I am not accusing anyone other than Mike of wrongdoing; I just think it might have been settled more quickly and peacefully than it was, but I also understand that Mike's accusations caused heated emotions, and I don't blame you for this.  And I agree with all your comments about the game and how and why we play it.  All I wanted to make clear in my EOG was that the huge argument turned me off from the game a bit and for some reason I could not fully bring my heart back into it after that, and I think this somewhat contributed to the ease with which Chris played me.

Matt

Jack McHugh wrote:
[quote:8a12a69c55] matt.

I thought Mike was completely out of line with his temper tantrum and resignation, nothing short of cheating justifies that and he that's not why he resigned...

I have to say in my 25 years of pbm, pbem and ftf play, I've been in a lot of games where players did what I thought were moves that were not in their best interest or even in the interest of stopping someone from winning and I have NEVER resigned due to other people refusing to do what I wanted or not pitching to help stop the leader...

That's part of the game--its DIPLOMACY, e.g. you suppose to convince people to do what you want, to leave because people won't do what you want is contrary to the spirit of the game...and I don't want to play with anyone who is going to resign because people won't do what they want...

and sorry, I think having my integrity question is a BIG thing and is worth arguing about...he basically accused me of throwing the game to France because I wouldn't help him...which was not true and when i denied he basically called me a liar...which i am in the game but not outside of the game...

i also agree i would play the game differently but then that's true of almost any variant I play for the first time (in fact often true of variants i've played several times, that's the mark of a good variant in my opinion...)

jack



On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:13 AM, Matt Kremer <matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email]) <mailto:matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu ([email]matthew.kremer(at)yale.edu[/email])>> wrote:

   Hey guys,

   First off, congrats to Chris; at least with respect to me he
   played the perfect balance of helping me and then turning on me
   right before I would have been ready to fend him off.  As for the
   rest of this game, I must admit that this was one of the most
   annoying games of which I have been a part.  The initial Germany's
   tantrum was obviously a big part of this, but I also thought that
   other people didn't help the situation by blowing the situation up
   into a huge argument.  And, looking back at the game as a whole,
   even though I don't approve of Mike's actions I actually agree
   with some of the things he was saying strategically, and I would
   play this variant very very differently were I to play it again.

   Matt
   Russia

   Packrat wrote:

       First, and foremost - congratulations to Chris Morse for his
       solo with 18 centers!!

       Second - Thank  you to ALL of you who stuck it out to the very
       end.

       The final orders:

       Austria:
       F Aegean Sea - Constantinople
       A Armenia Supports A Sevastopol
       A Bulgaria Supports A Rumania
       A Greece Hold
       A Rumania Supports A Vienna - Budapest
       A Sevastopol Supports A Rumania
       A Trieste Supports A Tyrolia - Vienna
       A Tyrolia - Vienna
       F Tyrrhenian Sea - Gulf of Lyon
       A Venice - Tyrolia
       A Vienna - Budapest

       France:
       A Brest - Gascony
       A Marseilles - Spain (*Dislodged*)
       A Paris - Burgundy (*Fails*)

       Germany:
       A Bohemia Supports A Galicia
       A Burgundy - Paris (*Fails*)
       F English Channel Supports A Picardy - Brest
       A Galicia, no move received
       A Gascony - Marseilles
       F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
       A Moscow Supports A Ukraine
       A Munich Supports A Bohemia
       F North Atlantic Ocean - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
       A Picardy - Brest
       A Silesia Supports A Bohemia
       A Spain Supports A Gascony - Marseilles
       A Ukraine Supports A Galicia
       A Wales Hold
       A Warsaw Supports A Galicia

       Italy:
       F Adriatic Sea Hold
       F Ionian Sea - Tunis
       F Naples Supports A Tuscany - Rome
       A Tuscany - Rome

       Turkey:
       F Black Sea Supports A Sevastopol



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