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Author:psychosis1973
Posted:Jan 25, 2010 at 11:44 am
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For info, Will and John both ended up with powers well down their preference list, due to everyone putting Turkey and Austria right at the bottom of their lists...

So thanks for playing powers you hate chaps!

--- On Mon, 25/1/10, William Fleming <wtfleming(at)msn.com> wrote:

From: William Fleming <wtfleming(at)msn.com>
Subject: RE: DC281 Austria EoG
To: untitled36(at)hotmail.com, psychosis(at)sky.com, blueraider0(at)gmail.com, krudge(at)goldenwestradio.com, vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com, matthew.jones.d(at)gmail.com, kelly058(at)verizon.net
Cc: dc281(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Monday, 25 January, 2010, 17:42





Well, I suppose my summary will be a bit boring.  I
began the game as a paranoid (and inexperienced)
Turkey.  I could never get a strong handle on who to
ally with, so I decided to move against Russia just for the
sake of trying it.  (Pitiful, eh?)

 

When the communication from the west completely ceased, I
knew the game was soon to run its course.  This caused
me to lose some interest.

 

I'll just say that I did thoroughly enjoy communicating
with my neighbors.  Matthew...no offense intended
as I headed north...I think I would have moved against
anyone as Russia based on my shallow decision to "try
it".  John...you had it read right...I had no
choice but to stab you at some point, but didn't want
to, so luckily the game ended in the nick of time. 
Maslow...I really enjoyed the high level of
communication.  I could always count on a quick
response from you.  It was fun.

 

All in all, not a bad experience...happy to have had the
chance to play with the eastern side of the board. 
Thanks much, Michael, for your patience in GM'ing
and finding replacements.  I appreciate it.

 

Hoping to see some of you on another map at another
time!

 

Will
 


From: untitled36(at)hotmail.com
To: psychosis(at)sky.com; blueraider0(at)gmail.com;
krudge(at)goldenwestradio.com; wtfleming(at)msn.com;
vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; matthew.jones.d(at)gmail.com;
kelly058(at)verizon.net
CC: dc281(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Subject: DC281 Austria EoG
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:24:36 -0600



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Once again, Thanks to Michael for Gming. I've been
frustrated with the game, but none of that frustration
was with Michael. He did the best he could. It was the
quitters that ruined the thing.
 
I don't have a lot to say about the gameplay. This game
looked bad for me from day one. Alex stabbed me
(repeatedly), and it looked like we were going to be locked
in a death match until some other power ate us up. But
when I started throwing centers to Turkey, Italy changed his
tune. He saw the threat I was allowing to grow
unchecked in the south east, and he petitioned me for
alliance. Russia also urged me to join them. At this
point it was picking my poison. If I stayed with Turkey I
would eventually be stabbed (as R/I repeatedly warned).
However, if I sided with R/I, I would be stabbed by them the
minute turkey was under control. Plus, I would be
the least defensible vs turkey should I switch
sides. On what ended up being the final turn of the
game, I had to choose my side, but honestly, the
deadline snuck up on me, and it was easier to make an 11th
hour coordination with Turkey than with R/I. Not the most
strategic of reasons to choose alliances, but there you have
it.
 
After Italy began his intial series of stabs against me, I
figured the best case scenario was one in which turkey held
the eastern stalemate line, and I had enough of germany that
I would be essential to some kind of draw with the
remaining powers. This plan could well have worked,
unless turkey grew greedy and stabbed me earlier, which
would have almost assured he would have been stalemated by
the western powers with the additional time I would have
bought them, but I would have been eliminated.
 
All in all, this was certainly the least
satisfying games of diplomacy I've played. Most of
the blame for that falls on our quitter players. I
blamed Alex for crippling both of our powers, and
I think there's a lot of legitimate blame there.
However, Alex did show himself to be a good negotiatior and
even, amazingly, a faithful ally at the very end of the
game. Since his later correspondence and moves showed
such a different Alex than the picture I had from the
early game, I wonder what I was missing. Alex, I look
forward to your EoG.
 
To Will (Turkey), thanks for having my back. You
were great to ally with, and we worked well together. I
look forward to playing together in the future.
 
To Matt (Russia), I think we had good correspondence
from day one. It's a pity we were never able to flesh
that out into any sort of alliance. Maybe next time.
 
To the West, Honestly, I don't even think I talked to
our replacements once. Sorry about that. Boredom with the
game. Thanks for filling in/sticking with it.
 
And again, thanks to our GM. A 7-way draw
is embarassing, but again, I don't think you had
any other options. Thanks for sticking with us!
 
John

 
[quote:327f143bd7]Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:46:48 +0000
From: psychosis(at)sky.com
Subject: DC281 game end
To: blueraider0(at)gmail.com; krudge(at)goldenwestradio.com;

wtfleming(at)msn.com; untitled36(at)hotmail.com;
vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; matthew.jones.d(at)gmail.com;
kelly058(at)verizon.net

CC: dc281(at)diplomaticcorp.com

Gents

I've now received a "Yes" from everyone

for the seven way draw proposal. As such, the game now
finishes. Ratings and such on the site will be updated as
soon as I figure out how to do it.


From my perspective, the two civil disorders of

England and Germany so close to each other, and over the
holiday period, killed the game. I'm genuinely surprised
at the seven way draw being approved by all - it's the
first time I've ever seen a seven way being the result
of a diplomacy game. I felt there was some interesting
situations developing across the board, with the Fall 1903
turn proving genuinely interesting and game changing. Would
Germany's stab of France prove decisive, and who would
be eliminated first? I trust the experience of players new
to the diplomaticcorp site have been positive, and
haven't been coloured by the unsatisfactory situation
that emerged in this game.


End of Game Statements are welcome, describing your

thoughts, comments and feelings on the game, how it
developed, and how it ended up for you. Please email these
to all players and copy in the game forum email address
(dc281(at)diplomaticcorp.com). Any (constructive!) comments on
my GMing would be welcome as well.


In closing, can I thank all the players of the game -

both those who stuck it out through the delays, and those
who stepped in as replacements. It's been a pleasure.


Michael






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This message is in reply to post 14055:

Once again, Thanks to Michael for Gming. I've been frustrated with the game, but none of that frustration was with Michael. He did the best he could. It was the quitters that ruined the thing.

I don't have a lot to say about the gameplay. This game looked bad for me from day one. Alex stabbed me (repeatedly), and it looked like we were going to be locked in a death match until some other power ate us up. But when I started throwing centers to Turkey, Italy changed his tune. He saw the threat I was allowing to grow unchecked in the south east, and he petitioned me for alliance. Russia also urged me to join them. At this point it was picking my poison. If I stayed with Turkey I would eventually be stabbed (as R/I repeatedly warned). However, if I sided with R/I, I would be stabbed by them the minute turkey was under control. Plus, I would be the least defensible vs turkey should I switch sides. On what ended up being the final turn of the game, I had to choose my side, but honestly, the deadline snuck up on me, and it was easier to make an 11th hour coordination with Turkey than with R/I. Not the most strategic of reasons to choose alliances, but there you have it.

After Italy began his intial series of stabs against me, I figured the best case scenario was one in which turkey held the eastern stalemate line, and I had enough of germany that I would be essential to some kind of draw with the remaining powers. This plan could well have worked, unless turkey grew greedy and stabbed me earlier, which would have almost assured he would have been stalemated by the western powers with the additional time I would have bought them, but I would have been eliminated.

All in all, this was certainly the least satisfying games of diplomacy I've played. Most of the blame for that falls on our quitter players. I blamed Alex for crippling both of our powers, and I think there's a lot of legitimate blame there. However, Alex did show himself to be a good negotiatior and even, amazingly, a faithful ally at the very end of the game. Since his later correspondence and moves showed such a different Alex than the picture I had from the early game, I wonder what I was missing. Alex, I look forward to your EoG.

To Will (Turkey), thanks for having my back. You were great to ally with, and we worked well together. I look forward to playing together in the future.

To Matt (Russia), I think we had good correspondence from day one. It's a pity we were never able to flesh that out into any sort of alliance. Maybe next time.

To the West, Honestly, I don't even think I talked to our replacements once. Sorry about that. Boredom with the game. Thanks for filling in/sticking with it.

And again, thanks to our GM. A 7-way draw is embarassing, but again, I don't think you had any other options. Thanks for sticking with us!

John


Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:46:48 +0000
From: psychosis(at)sky.com
Subject: DC281 game end
To: blueraider0(at)gmail.com; krudge(at)goldenwestradio.com; wtfleming(at)msn.com; untitled36(at)hotmail.com; vegas_iwish(at)yahoo.com; matthew.jones.d(at)gmail.com; kelly058(at)verizon.net
CC: dc281(at)diplomaticcorp.com

Gents

I've now received a "Yes" from everyone for the seven way draw proposal. As such, the game now finishes. Ratings and such on the site will be updated as soon as I figure out how to do it.

From my perspective, the two civil disorders of England and Germany so close to each other, and over the holiday period, killed the game. I'm genuinely surprised at the seven way draw being approved by all - it's the first time I've ever seen a seven way being the result of a diplomacy game. I felt there was some interesting situations developing across the board, with the Fall 1903 turn proving genuinely interesting and game changing. Would Germany's stab of France prove decisive, and who would be eliminated first? I trust the experience of players new to the diplomaticcorp site have been positive, and haven't been coloured by the unsatisfactory situation that emerged in this game.

End of Game Statements are welcome, describing your thoughts, comments and feelings on the game, how it developed, and how it ended up for you. Please email these to all players and copy in the game forum email address (dc281(at)diplomaticcorp.com). Any (constructive!) comments on my GMing would be welcome as well.

In closing, can I thank all the players of the game - both those who stuck it out through the delays, and those who stepped in as replacements. It's been a pleasure.

Michael



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DC281 Austria EoG (untitled36) Jan 25, 11:24 am

DC281 Austria EoG (psychosis1973) Jan 25, 11:44 am

DC281 Austria EoG (wtfleming at msn.com) Jan 25, 11:42 am

DC281 Austria EoG (blueraider0 at gmail.com) Jan 25, 11:56 am

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