I guess I'm confused as to how a significant gain in territory by one party is not proof of tactical prowess. I don't know about you, but if I had the opportunity to stab and increase my territory by 50% in one fell swoop, I would be hard pressed not to do it.
All I will say at this point in time is that I do NOT, for one second,
think this is anything personal about what happened. It is, after all,
a game.
From: Gregory Olson <olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com>
To: Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com>
Cc: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>; douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr;
blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 10:05:25 PM
Subject: Re: DC317; Spring and Summer 1906 Results
Hello all,
Since the message was sent to everyone, I wanted to take a brief second to respond in front of everyone.
I have been the recipient of quite a few stabs and have orchestrated a few myself. I feel bad every time I screw someone over, and kick myself for being so stupid when I myself am the victim. When it comes down to it, however, this is why I play Diplomacy. The pieces are a backdrop to the personalities, and tactics are subordinate to tact, in my mind. This is exactly why I do not play gunboat variants; I enjoy matching wits with other players. I know that everyone is playing to win themselves. I find the tension created while simultaneously working with others and for yourself engaging. I am sorry, Scott, for lying to you and that I stabbed you, but I am not sorry that this is how the game is made. Maybe I am just another idiot, maybe this specific move might not work out the best, but I made a judgment call and went
with it. Maybe no real tactician/strategist would do such a move, but a diplomat might.
I do not want to enter into an argument with you. I did not attack you for any personal reasons, and hope that you can look past my moves in this game when judging me as a player, or indeed as a person. Good luck,
- Greg
On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
Not sure why any of you would care - but this is the message I just sent to
Italy. Please bear in mind that he will jump to 12 and will more than likely
turn on Russia next. I'd like to think Germany and I could put things behind
us, but that isn't likely.
Anyway - this is what I sent to Italy and, yeah, it really is how I see it.
Yup - believe it or not, that is as I expected. Thought I'd take
the chance
anyway. This is one reason I only play gunboat now.
People have no
honor in this game and that's quite the shame. Sure
stabs are part of the
game but they lack creativity and don't show
any real tactical prowess,
No strategy. ANY idiot can stab but a
truly good strategist/tactician
plays the GAME and doesn't let the
game play him.
So POR/SPA and MAR fall to you. Enjoy your
victory - ANY idiot
could have done what you did. ANY.
From: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
To: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr
Cc: blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 8:16:13 PM
Subject: DC317; Spring and Summer 1906 Results
GM's remarks:
Not sure it would have made much of a difference; but, Turkey NMR's again.
With no viable retreat, Turkey's army in Constantinople is disbanded. And, with only one viable retreat, Germanys retreat was performed automatically. Doug, if you would have preferred the unit was retreated off-the-board, please let me know before tomorrow evening so that I can post a correction.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Jeremiah Jeremiah Lee dadidea(at)gmail.com
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Supports F bre - eng (*Cut*)
A boh - mun (*Fails*)
F bre - eng
A bur Supports A boh - mun
F cly - nwg
F eng - iri
F mao - nao
A pic Supports F bel
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol - bel (*Fails*)
A kie Supports A mun
A lvn - war (*Dislodged*)
A mun, no move received
F nth Hold
A nwy Supports F stp(sc)
A sil Supports A mun
F stp(sc) Hold
Italy:
F aeg Supports F smy - con
F lyo Convoys A pie - spa
A pie - spa
F smy - con
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A trl - pie
F tys - wes
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
Russia:
F ank Supports F smy - con
A fin - stp (*Fails*)
A mos Supports A war - lvn
A rum - bul
A sev - ukr
A ukr - gal
A war - lvn
Turkey:
A con, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: A lvn - pru
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (7) bel, bre, lvp, lon, mar, par, por, spa.
Units: F bel, A boh, A bur, F eng, F iri, F nao, F nwg, A pic
Build/Disband: 0
Germany:
Centers (9): ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, stp, swe.
Units: F edi, A hol, A kie, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil, F stp(sc)
Build/Disbands: 0
Italy:
Centers (
gre, nap, rom, smy, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F con, F lyo, A pie, A spa, A tri, A vie, F wes
Build/Disband: 0
Russia:
Centers (6) ank, bud, mos, rum, ser, sev, war.
Units: F ank, A bul, A fin, A gal, A lvn, A mos, A ukr
Build/Disband: 0
Turkey:
Centers (3) bul, con.
Units: A syr
Build/Disband: +1
Deadline:
1906 Fall Orders: Thursday; May 6, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
