I don't think so,I have written as a reply to Simon, why I think so. 

On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Douglas Kent <dougray30(at)yahoo.com> wrote:




I think, Isaac, you are blatantly mischaracterizing my moves up to the
final game year or two....in other words, up to when you were conducting "my"
diplomacy with someone else....

 
From: Simon Langley-Evans
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:32 AM
To: Isaac Zinner
Cc: Douglas Kent ; Craig - Austria
Galad ; Doug1 - France Galad ; Jeremiah
Attento ; kaficek8(at)gmail.com ; Steve Hills ; dc450(at)diplomaticcorp.com ; Douglas Kent ;
John
Langley
Subject: Re: DC450 France EOG
 

Can you back that up with actual
evidence, as Doug and I had only sporadic communication up to 1906? There were
no cooperative moves and I was merely fortunate that the intractable
Italy-Austria war allowed me to expand through a friendless Turkey and the
Balkans with no credible opposition.
 
It is very difficult to accurately
interpret the motives of other players in the game, especially when the events
are not in your immediate sphere of action. For example, until yesterdayI had no
idea that Craig had started the game trying to get you all to neutralize me.
Craig! I thought you were a friend I had wronged, but now I see your demise was
fully deserved. Doug played a strange game from my perspective and the first few
years left me baffled as to who he was working with (turned out it was nobody).
And Isaac, I felt that you were quite unreasonably wedded to Germany and
illogically fixated on eliminating England (a lengthy process when Germany was
entirely eastward facing) when working with me to seize German centre was a much
better option for you.
 
As for what's "fair play", I simply
refer you to the tag line on the DC site.
 
"Diplomacy
games may contain lying, stabbing, or deliberately deceiving communications that
may not be suitable for and may pose a hazard to young children, gullible
adults, and small farm animals."
 
Simon

Simon Langley-Evans
Professor of Human Nutrition
Deputy Head of School of Biosciences
University of Nottingham
 

On Aug 21, 2013, at 10:57 AM,
Isaac Zinner <isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com>
wrote:




Given the way  Italy was playing before this phony mail issue
happened , I doubt it very much , it would have changed anything.
As we are talking on period from Spring 06 to Fall 06.  Before and
after that, Italy was playing just the same old game of supporting Russia
without any logical explanation.



On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:47 PM, Douglas Kent <dougray30(at)yahoo.com> wrote:





I will try to write a full EOG later, but let me just state that I
"helped" Russia in the end game for two reasons...one, because nobody would
write me (which leads to reason #2)...and two, France was conducting all his
Diplomacy with Russia thinking it was me, and I felt it only right to punish
that foolishness by eliminating Germany and making sure Russia took the
win.  It wouldn't have mattered, because any hope of an E/F/I or F/G/I
was destroyed with France writing to a fake email address...


 

From: garry b
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 10:38 AM
To: Isaac Zinner ; Craig - Austria Galad ; Doug1 - France
Galad ; freeman_ass(at)yahoo.com
; kaficek8(at)gmail.com ; stevieh(at)taosnet.com ; dc450(at)diplomaticcorp.com ; Cartesian ; Michael Sims ; Douglas Kent ; Doug2 - France Galad ;
Simon
Langley-Evans
Subject: RE: DC450 France EOG
 



As an unaffected party (and DC Moderator), I think it is only
fair to point out several things:

1. Italy (Doug) is a very
established player who also publishes Diplomacy World (an e-zine about
Diplomacy). While it is odd the way things unraveled I can assure you he is
both real and typically a strong, passionate player.

2. With a third
solo it might be time to realize that Simon has some weird Jedi Mind Trick
that enables him to make the best of us make bad Diplomacy
decisions.

3. Having played against him, I can't figure out how he
does it and I too have been frustrated and on the receiving end of a Simon
beat down. I feel your pain Isaac but so far I have seen nothing that would
convince me that he is nothing more than annoyingly good.

As a
player-run community we try to self-police any shenanigans; typically if
they exist they work themselves out because players have no tolerance for
such. I encourage you to join another game and give it a whirl.


Garry




From: isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com
Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2013 10:57:59
+0300
Subject: Re: DC450 France EOG
To: cbconnell(at)gmail.com; diplomacyworld(at)yahoo.com; isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com; freeman_ass(at)yahoo.com;
kaficek8(at)gmail.com; stevieh(at)taosnet.com; dc450(at)diplomaticcorp.com; cartesian.i(at)googlemail.com; mike(at)fuzzylogicllc.net; kielmarch(at)hotmail.com;
dougray3o(at)yahoo.com;
dougray30(at)yahoo.com;
slangers(at)me.com


Sorry ,forgot to include some.




On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Isaac Zinner <isaac.zinner(at)gmail.com> wrote:


Thanks Justin for GMing, you did a great job.

 
As for the game, It's hard to understand the reason for Russia's
glorifying himself for his Solo.
This was more of a joint Italian / Russian cooperation in order to
get the Solo for Russia.
It does appear as if the Italian was playing for one purpose - to get
a solo for Russia.
 
Italy conceded his SC (at least 6 SC in 2 turns ) to Russia and
instead of trying to fight Russia had been trying to help him even
more.   Go figure.
 
As it was more of a joint Italian / Russian solo  - 
congratulations for both Simon and Doug for achieving it.
 
--Isaac
 
 
BTW it turned out that there was a fake email address pretending to
be that of Italy, with which I had made quite a lot of dipping, till this
day I'm not sure if this email address was Russia or Italy after all.

 
However this put together with the way Italy was playing made me
wonder if there is an Italian player at all.