| dc318 - Winter Blitz 2010 Winter 1906 results - z93blom (May 07, 2010, 1:15 pm) |
Blitzers,
The adjustments are in. Let's see how this all develops.
Next turn: Spring 1907 Movement
Next Deadline: Monday, 10th of May 2010, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
Germany: Build A MunichBuild F KielBuild A Berlin
Italy: Build A Venice
Russia:
Remove A SevastopolRemove A MoscowRemove A Ukraine
Current standings:Austria: EliminatedEngland: EliminatedFrance: 2Germany: 12
Italy: 9Russia: 5Turkey: 6
/Fredrik[Reply] |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results - txurce (May 07, 2010, 12:34 pm) |
| I would also imagine that Mike will agree with the GM, but it wouldn't matter if he didn't. That's how your GM ruled it, and on any judgment call - which is the best that could be said of this - his ruling stands [Reply] |
| Youngstown Anyone? - FuzzyLogic (May 07, 2010, 11:36 am) |
Wow.
The Youngstown game is the most popular of the many Diplomacy variants.
That's quite a statement. I'd like to know where the writer of that article came up w that. It's certainly not as popular (2 games) as say Ancient Med (6 games) or Colonial (8 games) in terms of activity here at dc.
The original Youngstown variant was pretty pathetic. The rendering for Realpolitik was choppy, with hard to understand off-board locations. A couple years back tho it was redone, and the new one is actually quite nice. I would say it's really good since the redo.
In my opinion, the desire for it comes from the two most popular games, Standard and Colonial. It simply bridges the gap between the two.[Reply] |
| Youngstown Anyone? (Variants) Kenshi777 May 07, 01:54 pm |
i should probably shut my mouth right now so as not to be perceived as
arrogant or offensive
but i can't
so...
Youngstown was okay - for its time. The variant design community has
come a long way since then however. The explosion of online groups in
the late 90s caused a sort of rebirth of the Diplomacy hobby, and
dramatically increased the opportunities for variant designers to
collaborate and refine their games.
Even the name Youngstown reflects this trend. The variant was
designed by a Dip community in Ohio that at the time still primarily
played face-to-face. Today, Diplomacy variants are subjected to a
truly global court of public opinion, one that expects much higher
standards of balance and aesthetics out of a variant. And rightly so.
Nothing is more annoying than drawing France in Colonial and knowing
the odds of even scraping out a survival are against you, or trying to
make sense of
Youngstown's off-board regions while looking at the unusual blob that
is supposed to represent Asia.
I have many fond memories of working with Don Hessong to playtest his
early versions of Ancient Med, and working with David Cohen to refine
Sengoku back in 2000. Out of these early partnerships, the DVWorkshop
was born, and though that group has certainly passed its heyday in
favor of gaming community groups like this one, the current group of
successful variant designers still collaborate extensively. Case in
point - Oliver Auth's recent coding of SengokuRev5 and South American
Supremacy for webDiplomacy, and Mario Huys' and Manus Hand's coding of
Sengoku Rev5 for the DPjudge. During those processes, all of them
contributed valuable advice obtained through playtesting.
I don't claim to be the authoritative voice in variant design, or that
mine are the best around. In fact, my favorite variants *aren't* my
own. Those honors go to Ancient Med, with up-and-coming variants like
Known World 901 and WW2-1931 deserving honorable mention. Nor do I
mean to be overly critical of Youngstown - just saying it needs a
facelift, and to be subjected to the same painful process of playtest
and revision that say, Ancient Med (finalized on Version 9) did.
B.
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Wow.
The Youngstown game is the most popular of the many Diplomacy variants.
That's quite a statement. I'd like to know where the writer of that article
came up w that. It's certainly not as popular (2 games) as say Ancient Med
(6 games) or Colonial (8 games) in terms of activity here at dc.
The original Youngstown variant was pretty pathetic. The rendering for
Realpolitik was choppy, with hard to understand off-board locations. A
couple years back tho it was redone, and the new one is actually quite nice.
I would say it's really good since the redo.
In my opinion, the desire for it comes from the two most popular games,
Standard and Colonial. It simply bridges the gap between the two.
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| DC 298 Winter 1917 Adjucation - untitled36 (May 07, 2010, 11:06 am) |
Hey all,
Surprises of surprises, the round two game I'm in ended before this one! Shocking!
Anyway:
Edi-Nth
France disbands Picardy
Russia builds F Sev.
Thanks all!
John
The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. Get started.[Reply] |
| DC 306: Sengoku Rev6DP - Winter 1572: Mori Motonar... - Kenshi777 (May 07, 2010, 10:52 am) |
One of our players has discovered an error in the .map file for
Sengoku (you know who you are) - thanks for the catch! Please replace
your existing .map file with the attached one.
B.
On 5/6/10, Benjamin Hester wrote:
Mori Motonari was the daimyo of Aki province, and a vassal to the
great Ouchi Yoshitaka. When Yoshitaka was betrayed and forced to
commit seppuku by an Ouchi retainer, Sue Harukata, Motonari attacked
and defeated Harukata's forces. Motonari then continued to
consolidate his control of the Ouchi provinces, continuing the
campaign against the Amago and Otomo clans, and eventually rising to
become one of the greatest rivals to Toyotomi Hideyoshi in his
campaign to unify Japan.
***TEAHOUSE COMMENTARY: The Mori clan was also known for possessing
one of the more powerful navies of any daimyo in the Sengoku era, and
our Motonari (Jim) seems to be similarly inclined. Mori builds an
additional fleet in Iwami, though his Chosokabe ally builds two,
keeping Mori in second place in the naval arms race. Shimazu
continues his attack on the Mori lands, abandoning his final holding
in Kyushu. Asakura strengthens his core holdings by building an army
in Settsu, while Oda disbands his southern front in favor of facing
Hojo, who has build two new fleets and an army of his own. Uesugi
lines new forces also along his border with Hojo, placing a fleet in
Mutsu and an army in Kozuke.
...and Suzuki Sadayu of Kii cackles with glee at his unexpectedly long life
***NEXT DEADLINE: Spring 1573 will be due Thursday May 13, 2010 (at)
1700 EST. Press is most honorable. Especially haiku. CCing me on
negotiations - also honorable.
***PLAYERS:
Shimazu Yoshihisa - Isaac Zinner
Mori Motonari - Jim Atkins
Chosokabe Motochika - Jean-Luc Lefebvre
Asakura Yoshikage - Garry Bledsoe
Oda Nobunaga - Joe Babinsack
Takeda Shingen - Nathan Deily (*eliminated 1572*)
Uesugi Kenshin - Fredrik Blom
Hojo Ujiyasu - Michael Thompson
***ADJUSTMENTS:
Shimazu:
Remove F Osumi
Mori:
Build F Iwami
Chosokabe:
Build F Tosa
Build F Bizen
Asakura:
Build A Settsu
Oda:
Remove F Kumano Sea
Remove A Ise
Uesugi:
Build F Mutsu
Build A Kozuke
Takeda:
Remove A Etchu
Hojo:
Build F Izu
Build F Kazusa
Build A Sagami
Thanks!
Emperor Ogimachi, from the Kyoto Imperial Palace
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| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results - Douglas_E_Fresh (May 07, 2010, 8:40 am) |
Thanks for your comments. Still waiting on GM Mike - although I doubt he'll offer a different opinion to you guys.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
That's they way we did it on Cat23 too.
I mean, seriously, the rule is clear enough, any unit not ordered to move holds.
From: Nigel PHILLIPS <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com>
To: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
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Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 7:16:28 AM
Subject: RE: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
I agree - hard if the non-order for a Hol was accidental, but that is the norm in all the DC games I've played. wasn't the way I played face to face when I started out, but it is the usual practice here and on Dip2000.
Nigs
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 04:11:14 -0700
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
CC: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don't think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers ( : ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
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| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results (Winter Blitz) txurce May 07, 12:34 pm |
| I would also imagine that Mike will agree with the GM, but it wouldn't matter if he didn't. That's how your GM ruled it, and on any judgment call - which is the best that could be said of this - his ruling stands |
| DC261 - Winter 1913 Results - JimR (May 07, 2010, 8:24 am) |
Hey Guys,
I forgot to tell you all that I will be away starting Saturday.
My daughter is getting married and we are going on a cruise to celebrate.
Please allow time if I need to retreat. Otherwise, I will be
home Thursday and should make the next deadline.
Thanks,
Jim R.
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Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2010 12:34 PM
To: dc261(at)diplomaticcorp.com; Mark Duffield; Benjamin Hester; Ben
Leapman; Jim Rossiter; Jorge Saralegui; Eric Shum; David Zilkha
Cc: Mike Sims
Subject: DC261 - Winter 1913 Results
Austria:
Build waived
*******************
Spring 1914 is due on Friday, May 7th by 9pm Pacific time.
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| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results - packrat (May 07, 2010, 6:56 am) |
That's they way we did it on Cat23 too.
I mean, seriously, the rule is clear enough, any unit not ordered to move holds.
From: Nigel PHILLIPS <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com>
To: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; mdemagogue(at)gmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 7:16:28 AM
Subject: RE: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
I agree - hard if the non-order for a Hol was accidental, but that is the norm in all the DC games I've played. wasn't the way I played face to face when I started out, but it is the usual practice here and on Dip2000.
Nigs
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 04:11:14 -0700
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
CC: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
.ExternalClass DIV
{}
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM???s remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don???t think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.[Reply] |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results - Nigs (May 07, 2010, 6:16 am) |
I agree - hard if the non-order for a Hol was accidental, but that is the norm in all the DC games I've played. wasn't the way I played face to face when I started out, but it is the usual practice here and on Dip2000.
Nigs
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 04:11:14 -0700
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
CC: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
.ExternalClass DIV
{;}
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don't think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
Get a free e-mail account with Hotmail. Sign-up now.[Reply] |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results - packrat (May 07, 2010, 6:11 am) |
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM???s remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don???t think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.[Reply] |
| DC 312 End of Game - Daan (May 07, 2010, 4:26 am) |
Anthony was right to be afraid. My initial plan was to ally with England and Austria and fight France and Russia.
I didn't like it when Austria orchestrated the Italian army into Tyrolia to move against Russia. I had armies doing nothing and they could have marched eastwards and reach the front much easier. So, i decided to attack Austria together with Russia.
When Russia demanded Vienna, i began attacking him, because i feared being destroyed by the Russian army afterwards.
I was a bit confused about the interplay between Russia, Turkey and Italy, but it all seems to be play to distract me from the strength of the RIT cooperation.
Congratulations to the victors! And i am really glad to have ended with 5 centres, given the circumstances.
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, John R <untitled36(at)hotmail.com>
wrote:
From: John R <untitled36(at)hotmail.com>
Subject: DC 312 End of Game
To: "wb 2 2010 turkey" <hurup(at)pc.dk>
Cc: "dc 298 italy" <alley_cat_1990(at)hotmail.com>, "wb 2 2010 italy" <welsh_stroud(at)msn.com>, "Russia wb1" <daanschr(at)yahoo.com>, "wb 2 2010 russia" <aandtstevens(at)gmail.com>, "wb 2 2010 france" <jhack16(at)gmail.com>, "wb 2 2010 austria" <ndeily(at)yahoo.com>, blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 4:05 PM
Hey all,
Peace reigns across Europe today as the world leaders sign an accord ending hostilities. I'm honestly a bit suprised the draw passed so relatively early in the game, so I've checked and rechecked, but it appears I have a yes vote from every surviving player. The motion carries. Congratulations to Russia, Italy, and Turkey, the members of the 3 way draw!
I'd love to see End of Game statements from all the players. I'll comment myself after everyone has had time to get their EoG's in. Congrats again everyone, especially RIT!
John
The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy.[Reply] |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results - Douglas_E_Fresh (May 07, 2010, 3:27 am) |
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don't think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.[Reply] |
| DC313 Fall 1906 Adjudication - Samnuva (May 07, 2010, 3:15 am) |
Most games only get one or two of a series of situations, spaced throughout the game. This turn, we have a double-supported bounce in Munich, a single-center Austria that lasts into 1907, and three powers that seem to be in a state of both war and alliance. One retreat due, for Russia's A Warsaw.
Retreat:
A Warsaw to Sil, Pru, or Ukr
Build (No Russian OTB)
England Build 2
Germany remove 1
Austria:
A Livonia - Warsaw
England:
F Belgium Supports F North Sea - Holland
F English Channel Supports F Belgium
F North Sea - Holland
F Norwegian Sea Hold
France:
A Paris, no move received
Germany:
A Burgundy, no move received
F Holland, no move received (*Disbanded*)
A Munich, no move received
Italy:
A Bohemia - Munich (*Bounce*)
F Brest Supports F Mid-Atlantic Ocean
F Gulf of Lyon Convoys A Tuscany - Marseilles
A Marseilles - Gascony
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean Supports F Brest
A Tuscany - Marseilles
A Tyrolia Supports A Bohemia - Munich
F Tyrrhenian Sea Hold
A Vienna - Trieste
Russia:
A Berlin Supports A Kiel - Munich
F Helgoland Bight Supports F North Sea - Holland
A Kiel - Munich (*Bounce*)
A Moscow Supports A Warsaw (*Cut*)
F Norway Supports F North Sea - Holland (*Fails*)
A St Petersburg Supports F Norway
A Warsaw Supports A Moscow (*Dislodged*)
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea Supports F Smyrna
A Armenia - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
F Black Sea Supports A Armenia - Sevastopol (*Fails*)
A Budapest Supports A Galicia
A Bulgaria - Rumania
A Galicia Supports A Livonia - Warsaw
A Serbia Supports A Budapest
A Sevastopol - Moscow (*Fails*)
F Smyrna Supports F Aegean Sea
-Sam Buck[Reply] |
| dc-316 REVISED autumn 1906 retreats - coryfucius (May 07, 2010, 2:09 am) |
The Kaiser has chosen to abdicate by retreating his dislodged units OTB. Scott, thanks for playing! As a result, England now won't have a removal due in the winter adjustment phase.
Winter 1906 adjustments will still be due Friday 5/7 at 3pm Central (US) / 21:00 GMT. That's now today even in my time zone, thanks to a ridiculously long day at work.
The adjustments will be as follows:
France: remove 1
Germany: remove 1 / eliminated
Italy: build 2
Russia: build 2
Turkey: remove 1 / eliminated
Cory
-----
Autumn 1906 retreats:
France:
A Marseilles - Burgundy
Germany:
disband F Berlin
disband A Kiel[Reply] |
| dc318 - Winter Blitz 2010 Fall 1906 results - z93blom (May 07, 2010, 2:00 am) |
All,
I was myself very surprised not to see more than one order, and in a normal game I would have reminded everyone that the orders were due, and held on the adjudication.
However, this is the Winter Blitz, with its standard deadlines, and I think that everyone should be aware of the rules by now. I've always kept to the same deadlines (although I might be an hour late sometimes) so when the game is due should be no surprise to anyone. The deadline has been published both in the mail I've sent out to everyone and at the Diplomatic Corp site.
Last week was an unfortunate accident in the normal schedule. This was due to the fact that I became sick. I don't think I've been unclear with when the deadlines are, nor why the adjudication was late. Things like that happen, and had I not been able to do the adjudication Garry would have had to step in and do the adjudication. The end result might have been that the spring and summer turn might have been moved a day as well, but in the end we would have fallen back to the same schedule.
There is no problem with sending in preliminaries immediately when the adjudication is sent out.
/Fredrik
2010/5/6 joe babinsack <chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com>
Fredrik
No great offense intended, because I understand running a game is not easy on any level, but at one point it was established that the deadlines were 2PM EST Monday/Thursday.
And then this changed last week, to the point where players were emailing that orders could be sent in later in the day.
I guess I'm not the only person who slacked off, but there's a bit of a problem when four people were anticipating not having to send orders in so quickly...
--Joe
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se> wrote:
From: Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se>
Subject: dc318 - Winter Blitz 2010 Fall 1906 results
To: bret_pollack(at)hotmail.com, briankingfox(at)hotmail.com, chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com, ericmarr(at)gmail.com, landru428(at)aol.com, winterblitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 3:08 PM
Blitzers,
Did the winter blitz come to an end without me knowing it? It seems that everyone forgot all about this game - everyone except for Germany, who by submitting orders gains a lot this season.
Current standings:
Austria: Eliminated
England: Eliminated
France: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Germany: Supp 12 Unit 9 Build 3
Italy: Supp 9 Unit 8 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 8 Remove 3
Turkey: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Next turn: Winter 1906 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Friday, 7th of May 2010, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
France:
A Marseilles, no move received
F Spain(nc), no move received
Germany:
A Brest Hold
A Denmark - Sweden
A Kiel - Denmark
A Munich - Bohemia
F North Sea - Edinburgh
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
A Paris - Burgundy
A Silesia - Prussia
F Wales - Liverpool (*Fails*)
Italy:
A Budapest, no move received
F Eastern Mediterranean, no move received
F Greece, no move received
F Ionian Sea, no move received
A Piedmont, no move received
F Portugal, no move received
A Trieste, no move received
A Vienna, no move received
Russia:
A Galicia, no move received
F Liverpool Hold
A Moscow, no move received
F North Atlantic Ocean, no move received
A Sevastopol, no move received
A St Petersburg Hold
A Ukraine, no move received
A Warsaw, no move received
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea, no move received
A Armenia, no move received
F Black Sea, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
Next turn: Winter 1906 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Friday, 7th of May 2010, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
/Fredrik[Reply] |
| DC309 Fall 1903 Results - mtombu (May 07, 2010, 1:01 am) |
Hey All,
Sorry for the delay. Was home by 11, but ended up getting into a video
chat with an old friend. Deadlines are somewhat flexible. Germany owes
two retreats and has til Friday at 9 pm, then we need to get
adjustments done. We'll do those Saturday unless people have issues
with that. Map and .dpy file are attached. Check for errors.
Players:
Austria: Phil
England: Andy
France: Dan
Germany: Ray
Italy: Blue
Russia: John
Turkey: Nathan
Orders as received:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Bulgaria Supports F Constantinople
F Constantinople Supports A Syria - Smyrna
A Silesia - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
England:
A London Hold
F Norway Supports F Sweden
F Norwegian Sea Supports F Norway
France:
A Spa - Mar
A Par - Bur
A Pic Supp A Par - Bur
F Iri Holds
F Yor - Edi
Germany:
F Sweden S England F Norway
F Baltic - Denmark
A Kiel S Mun
A Ber - Sil
A Bur S Mun
A Bel - Ruh
A Mun S Ber - Sil
Italy:
F Ionian Sea - Tyrhennian Sea
A Piedmont supports A Burgundy - Marseilles
A Syria - Smyrna
F East Med supports A Syria - Smyrna
F Tyrhennian Sea - Western Med
Russia:
A Finland Supports F Skagerrak - Norway
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden
A Livonia - St Petersburg
A Rumania Supports F Sevastopol
F Sevastopol Hold
F Skagerrak - Norway
Turkey:
F Bla C A Arm-Con
A Arm-Con
F Ank S A Arm-Con
Orders as adjudicated by RP and me:
Austria:
A Bohemia Supports A Silesia - Munich
A Bulgaria Supports F Constantinople
F Constantinople Supports A Syria - Smyrna (*Cut*)
A Silesia - Munich
A Tyrolia Supports A Silesia - Munich
England:
A London Hold
F Norway Supports F Sweden (*Cut*)
F Norwegian Sea Supports F Norway
France:
F Liverpool, no move received
A Paris - Burgundy
A Picardy Supports A Paris - Burgundy
A Spain - Marseilles
F Yorkshire - Edinburgh
Germany:
F Baltic Sea - Denmark
A Belgium - Ruhr
A Berlin - Silesia
A Burgundy Supports A Munich (*Dislodged*)
A Kiel Supports A Munich
A Munich Supports A Berlin - Silesia (*Dislodged*)
F Sweden Supports F Norway (*Cut*)
Italy:
F Eastern Mediterranean Supports A Syria - Smyrna
F Ionian Sea - Tyrrhenian Sea
A Piedmont Supports A Burgundy - Marseilles (*Void*)
A Syria - Smyrna
F Tyrrhenian Sea - Western Mediterranean
Russia:
A Finland Supports F Skagerrak - Norway
F Gulf of Bothnia - Sweden (*Fails*)
A Livonia - St Petersburg
A Rumania Supports F Sevastopol
F Sevastopol Hold
F Skagerrak - Norway (*Fails*)
Turkey:
F Ankara Supports A Armenia - Constantinople
A Armenia - Constantinople (*Fails*)
F Black Sea Convoys A Armenia - Constantinople
Retreats:
The German army in Burgundy can retreat to Belgium, Gascony or OTB.
The German army in Munich can retreat to Berlin or OTB.
Deadlines:
Autumn retreats are due Friday May 7th at 9 pm ET.
Winter adjustments are due Saturday May 8th at 9 pm ET?
Spring 1904 orders are due Wednesday May 12th at 9 pm ET.
Best,
Mike[Reply] |
| DC 312 End of Game - ConradW (May 07, 2010, 12:27 am) |
Thanks for GMing John! And this is the first tournament I've played with DipCorps, indeed only the 5th game I think. The group dynamic is quite good, some serious negotiators in the corps. I think I'm pretty good tactically, but the intrigue is top caliber here. Two three ways draws for me, so I can't complain. I'm surprised this one didn't go a bit longer, but there weren't many strategic options left.
Speaking of strategy, mine was not too complicated. France offered a non-aggression so I took it. In my opinion italy is usually better off with an AI in the early going so I went with that. My moves started off with a sort of Lepanto, which never seems to work for me. Nor did it here.
Austria was collapsing so I did what I had to do and was expecting to be the next victim of RT. However I think that concern over a rapid English advancement led them see value in the Italian forces. I signed on and they proved to be good allies, coordinating very well. The only other point I should comment on is my grab of Marseilles. Nothing against Joe, but I was sort of the jr partner with RT and really wanted to get a bit stronger. the opportunity was there and France realistically continued to work with us.
Thanks to all for an interesting game,
Charlie
[Reply] |
| dc318 - Winter Blitz 2010 Fall 1906 results - ericjmarr (May 06, 2010, 9:20 pm) |
That was actually a very unfortunate incident. I know the rules are
strict, but I actually would have liked to see an extension and a
reminder. But unfortunately it is too late now since my moves have
been published.
On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Fredrik Blom wrote:
Blitzers,
Did the winter blitz come to an end without me knowing it? It seems that
everyone forgot all about this game - everyone except for Germany, who by
submitting orders gains a lot this season.
Current standings:
Austria: Eliminated
England: Eliminated
France: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Germany: Supp 12 Unit 9 Build 3
Italy: Supp 9 Unit 8 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 8 Remove 3
Turkey: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Next turn: Winter 1906 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Friday, 7th of May 2010, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
France:
A Marseilles, no move received
F Spain(nc), no move received
Germany:
A Brest Hold
A Denmark - Sweden
A Kiel - Denmark
A Munich - Bohemia
F North Sea - Edinburgh
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
A Paris - Burgundy
A Silesia - Prussia
F Wales - Liverpool (*Fails*)
Italy:
A Budapest, no move received
F Eastern Mediterranean, no move received
F Greece, no move received
F Ionian Sea, no move received
A Piedmont, no move received
F Portugal, no move received
A Trieste, no move received
A Vienna, no move received
Russia:
A Galicia, no move received
F Liverpool Hold
A Moscow, no move received
F North Atlantic Ocean, no move received
A Sevastopol, no move received
A St Petersburg Hold
A Ukraine, no move received
A Warsaw, no move received
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea, no move received
A Armenia, no move received
F Black Sea, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
Next turn: Winter 1906 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Friday, 7th of May 2010, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
/Fredrik
.[Reply] |
| Dc 315: Fall 1906 Adjudication - AlanRFarrington (May 06, 2010, 8:17 pm) |
Hello Everybody,
Yet again we have another Russian NMR. This results in England continuing to steam roll across the northern part of the board, meanwhile Turkey continues to gain power as he is back up to 4 centers. Builds depend on retreats, so submit all possible cases.
Austrian A Bulgaria can retreat to Serbia or Rumania.
Russian A Moscow can retreat to Ukraine or Sevastopol.
Next
Deadline:
Winter
1906 is due Friday, May 7th at Midnight GMT (7:00pm EST)
Orders:
Austria:
A Bulgaria Supports A Greece (*Dislodged*)
A Greece Supports A Bulgaria (*Cut*)
A Trieste - Tyrolia (*Fails*)
A Venice Supports A Trieste - Tyrolia (*Cut*)
A Vienna Supports A Trieste - Tyrolia
England:
F Barents Sea Supports F Gulf of Bothnia - St Petersburg(sc)
A Berlin - Silesia
F Gulf of Bothnia - St Petersburg(sc)
A Livonia Supports A Warsaw - Moscow
F North Sea Supports F Norway
F Norway Supports F Gulf of Bothnia - St Petersburg(sc)
A Silesia - Warsaw
F Sweden - Finland (*Fails*)
A Warsaw - Moscow
France:
F Marseilles - Gulf of Lyon
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Western Mediterranean
A Munich Supports A Tyrolia
A Piedmont - Venice (*Fails*)
F Tunis - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
F Tuscany - Rome (*Fails*)
A Tyrolia Supports A Piedmont - Venice (*Cut*)
F Tyrrhenian Sea Supports F Tuscany - Rome
Italy:
F Aegean Sea Supports A Constantinople - Bulgaria
F Ionian Sea - Greece (*Fails*)
F Naples Supports F Rome
F Rome Supports A Venice - Tuscany (*Void*)
Russia:
F Black Sea, no move received
A Finland, no move received
A Galicia, no move received
A Moscow Hold (*Dislodged*)
F St Petersburg(nc) Hold (*Disbanded*)
Turkey:
A Ankara - Constantinople
A Armenia - Smyrna
A Constantinople - Bulgaria
Status (If all
retreats stay on the board):
Austria: Supp 7 Unit 5 Build 0/1
England: Supp 12 Unit 9 Build 3
France: Supp 8 Unit 8 Build 0
Germany: Supp 0 Unit 0 Build 0
Italy: Supp 2 Unit 4 Remove 2
Russia: Supp 1 Unit 4 Remove 2/3
Turkey: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1
Players:
Austria:
Jonathan Nichol (
jonathan(at)deepsheep.com )
England: Derek Eiler (
derekthefeared2(at)yahoo.com )
France: Maria Montes (
MariaMontes1990(at)hotmail.es )
Germany: Joe Payne ( josepayne(at)gmail.com
) [Eliminated]
Italy: John Robillard ( john.robillard(at)telia.com )
Russia: Max
Victory ( Maxatrest(at)yahoo.co.uk )
Turkey: Dale Grantham (
dmg(at)earthlink.net )
See ya Tomorrow,
Alan Farrington
The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy.[Reply] |
| (DC 324) A Stab in the Dark - Spring 1902 Results - Corrino (May 06, 2010, 8:07 pm) |
Hi Players,
Once again we have all orders in early and marked final. Keep it up and we're going to set some kind of record.
Plenty of conflict this time, especially in the Balkans where very little remains hidden. Germany ejects a Russian army from Kiel (?!) and England finally makes an appearance on our map with a fleet which will apparently be getting an extra six months shore leave in beautiful Brest. Meanwhile, down in the Ionian, Italy scores our first victory at sea.
All told we see 12 units this season which leaves exactly ... ah, you didn't think I was going to tell you that, did you? You'll have to deduce the answer for yourself.
Cheers,
Chris
=====================================
Austria:
A Serbia - Budapest
(*Fails*)
England:
F Brest - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
France:
F Spain(sc) - Mid-Atlantic Ocean (*Bounce*)
Germany:
F Berlin Supports A Munich - Kiel
A Munich - Kiel
Italy:
F Naples Supports F Tunis - Ionian Sea
F Tunis - Ionian Sea
Russia:
A Kiel - Berlin (*Dislodged*)
A Rumania - Budapest
A Vienna Supports A Rumania - Budapest
Turkey:
A Bulgaria - Serbia (*Fails*)
F Greece - Ionian Sea (*Fails*)
=======================================
Russian A Kiel must retreat. Please submit ASAP.
Next Deadline: Tuesday, May 11, 8 pm Eastern US. Will adjudicate 24 hours early if all orders in and marked as Final.[Reply] |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results - dipknight (May 06, 2010, 7:55 pm) |
GM's remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don't think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.[Reply] |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results (Winter Blitz) Douglas_E_Fresh May 07, 03:27 am |
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don't think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use. |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results (Winter Blitz) packrat May 07, 06:11 am |
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM???s remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don???t think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use. |
| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results (Winter Blitz) Nigs May 07, 06:16 am |
I agree - hard if the non-order for a Hol was accidental, but that is the norm in all the DC games I've played. wasn't the way I played face to face when I started out, but it is the usual practice here and on Dip2000.
Nigs
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 04:11:14 -0700
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
CC: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
.ExternalClass DIV
{;}
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don't think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
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| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results (Winter Blitz) packrat May 07, 06:56 am |
That's they way we did it on Cat23 too.
I mean, seriously, the rule is clear enough, any unit not ordered to move holds.
From: Nigel PHILLIPS <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com>
To: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; mdemagogue(at)gmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 7:16:28 AM
Subject: RE: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
I agree - hard if the non-order for a Hol was accidental, but that is the norm in all the DC games I've played. wasn't the way I played face to face when I started out, but it is the usual practice here and on Dip2000.
Nigs
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 04:11:14 -0700
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
CC: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
.ExternalClass DIV
{}
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM???s remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don???t think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
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| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results (Winter Blitz) Douglas_E_Fresh May 07, 08:40 am |
Thanks for your comments. Still waiting on GM Mike - although I doubt he'll offer a different opinion to you guys.
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Packrat <brn2dip(at)yahoo.com> wrote:
That's they way we did it on Cat23 too.
I mean, seriously, the rule is clear enough, any unit not ordered to move holds.
From: Nigel PHILLIPS <nephilli99(at)hotmail.com>
To: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com; douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
Cc: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; mdemagogue(at)gmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 7:16:28 AM
Subject: RE: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
I agree - hard if the non-order for a Hol was accidental, but that is the norm in all the DC games I've played. wasn't the way I played face to face when I started out, but it is the usual practice here and on Dip2000.
Nigs
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 04:11:14 -0700
From: brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
To: douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com; dipknight(at)gmail.com
CC: douglasefresh(at)gmail.com; olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com; dadidea(at)gmail.com; MDemagogue(at)gmail.com; nephilli99(at)hotmail.com; phantomas13(at)orange.fr; blitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com; dc317(at)diplomaticcorp.com
If army Holland was not ordered - AT ALL - then the unit holds. Allowing
it as an "understood" order by virtue of there being a convoy order would be
a HUGE error on the part of ANY GM.
Darryl DID recognize the CONVOY order as is evidenced by the dashed lines
if you back up RP and look. Any good GM would not assume F NTH convoys
HOL to LON. Sure, that would obviously be the intent, but that's the sort of
misorder folks do all the time. The rules state that any UNIT not ordered holds.
Now, if you DID order Holland to London that's another story.
If you want to NMR, knock yourself out.
From: Douglas Fresh <douglasefresh(at)googlemail.com>
To: Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com>
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Sent: Fri, May 7, 2010 4:27:10 AM
Subject: Re: DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results
Hi folks,
I understand that Darryl has decided not to recognise my Convoy order. I have asked for a second opinion. As a GM I tend to adjudicate on a common sense basis where possible and I do not think there is any confusion in the orders I submitted. I shall not submit any further orders in this game until I hear from Mike. Hope thats ok - I do not mean to attempt to undermine GM rule, I have plenty of respect for Darryl and the job he is doing - I just do not agree with this instance of it.
Best
D
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 1:55 AM, Darryl Good <dipknight(at)gmail.com> wrote:
GM's remarks:
Still have not received any communications from Turkey; though, again, I don't think it would have made any difference. Turkey is eliminated.
Both retreats only had one viable option on the board, so they were performed automatically. Doug, Greg, if either of you would have preferred that your unit was retreated OTB, please let me know with the Build/Disband Orders.
The Players:
Austria Eliminated Winter 1904
England Eliminated Winter 1905
France packrat scott troemel brn2dip(at)yahoo.com
Germany Douglas_E_Fresh Douglas Fresh douglasefresh(at)gmail.com
Italy evapollo88 Greg Olson olson.gregoryscott(at)gmail.com
Russia Nigs Nigel Phillips nephilli99(at)hotmail.com
Turkey Eliminated Winter 1906
The Orders:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
F bel Hold
A boh - trl
A bur - mar (*Fails*)
F eng - bre
F iri Supports F nao - mao
F nao - mao
F nwg - nao
A pic - par
Germany:
F edi Supports F nth
A hol, no move received
A kie - den
A mun Supports A boh - trl
F nth Convoys A hol - lon (*Void*)
A nwy Hold
A pru - sil (*Fails*)
A sil - mun (*Fails*)
F stp(sc) Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
F aeg - smy (*Bounce*)
F con - smy (*Dislodged*)
F lyo Supports A pie - mar
A pie - mar
A spa - por
A tri - trl (*Bounce*)
A vie - trl (*Bounce*)
F wes - spa(sc)
Russia:
F ank - con
A bul Supports F ank - con
A fin Supports A mos - stp
A gal - bud
A lvn Supports A mos - stp
A mos - stp
A ukr - rum
Turkey:
A syr, no move received
Retreats:
Germany: F stp(sc) - bot
Italy: F con - bla
Centers and Unit Positions:
Austria:
Eliminated Winter 1904
England:
Eliminated Winter 1905
France:
Centers (5) bel, bre, lvp, lon, par.
Units: F bel, F bre, A bur, F iri, F mao, F nao, A par, A trl
Build/Disband: -3
Germany:
Centers (: ber, den, edi, hol, kie, mun, nwy, swe.
Units: A den, F edi, F bot, A hol, A mun, F nth, A nwy, A pru, A sil
Build/Disbands: -1
Italy:
Centers (11) gre, mar, nap, por, rom, smy, spa, tri, tun, ven, vie.
Units: F aeg, F bla, F lyo, A mar, A por, F spa(sc), A tri, A vie
Build/Disband: +3
Russia:
Centers (10) ank, bud, bul, con, mos, rum, ser, sev, stp, war.
Units: A bud, A bul, F con, A fin, A lvn, A rum, A stp
Build/Disband: +3
Turkey:
Eliminated Winter 1906
Deadline:
1906 Winter Orders: Friday; May 7, 24:00 Hrs GMT
Maps of the Orders, Retreats, and Results/Supply Recount; and the dpy file are attached for your use.
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| DC317; Fall and Autumn 1906 Results (Winter Blitz) txurce May 07, 12:34 pm |
| I would also imagine that Mike will agree with the GM, but it wouldn't matter if he didn't. That's how your GM ruled it, and on any judgment call - which is the best that could be said of this - his ruling stands |
| dc-316 fall 1906 results! - coryfucius (May 06, 2010, 7:06 pm) |
The revolution appears to have moved outward from France - while France does submit orders, England and Germany both NMR.
France's pickup of Marseilles proves short-lived, as Italy marches westward. Russia picks off the remaining German home centers. Italy and Russia bounce in Budapest, Russia sails into the undefended Bulgaria and holds on to Ankara, while Italy gains control of Constantinople. Mikael, thanks for sticking with the game all the way through!
There are three units dislodged:
The French army in Marseilles may retreat to Burgundy or OTB.
The German fleet in Berlin may retreat to Prussia or OTB.
The German army in Kiel may retreat to Holland or OTB.
Since all 3 of these units have only one vaild on-board retreat option available, I'll take the liberty of auto-retreating them all, so that we can move directly to the Winter 1906 adjustment phase. Matthew and Scott, if you would prefer to retreat OTB instead, please let me know, and I'll revise the Autumn retreat results.
Winter 1906 adjustments, due Friday 5/7 at 3pm Central (US) / 21:00 GMT, will be as follows, assuming the retreats don't change:
England: remove 1
France: remove 1
Germany: remove 2
Italy: build 2
Russia: build 2
Turkey: remove 1 (eliminated, I will auto-remove)
-----
Fall 1906 results:
England: (NMR, GM orders Hold)
A Belgium Hold
F English Channel Hold
F Irish Sea Hold
F London Hold
F North Atlantic Ocean Hold
F North Sea Hold
France:
A Gascony Supports A Marseilles (*Cut*)
A Marseilles Hold (*Dislodged*)
F Mid-Atlantic Ocean - Portugal
A Picardy - Brest
Germany: (NMR, GM orders Hold)
F Baltic Sea Hold
F Berlin Hold (*Dislodged*)
A Kiel Hold (*Dislodged*)
Italy:
A Constantinople Supports F Smyrna
F Gulf of Lyon Supports A Piedmont - Marseilles
F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
A Piedmont - Marseilles
A Serbia - Budapest (*Bounce*)
F Smyrna Supports A Constantinople
A Spain - Gascony (*Fails*)
A Venice - Piedmont
F Western Mediterranean Supports F North Africa - Mid-Atlantic Ocean
Russia:
A Ankara Hold
F Black Sea - Bulgaria(ec)
F Denmark Supports A Ruhr - Kiel
A Finland - Sweden
A Munich Supports A Silesia - Berlin
A Ruhr - Kiel
A Rumania - Budapest (*Bounce*)
A Sevastopol - Armenia (*Fails*)
A Silesia - Berlin
A Ukraine - Warsaw
Turkey:
A Armenia - Ankara (*Fails*)
-----
Autumn 1906 retreats:
France:
A Marseilles - Burgundy
Germany:
F Berlin - Prussia
A Kiel - Holland[Reply] |
| DC 306: Sengoku Rev6DP - Winter 1572: Mori Motonar... - Kenshi777 (May 06, 2010, 4:52 pm) |
Mori Motonari was the daimyo of Aki province, and a vassal to the
great Ouchi Yoshitaka. When Yoshitaka was betrayed and forced to
commit seppuku by an Ouchi retainer, Sue Harukata, Motonari attacked
and defeated Harukata's forces. Motonari then continued to
consolidate his control of the Ouchi provinces, continuing the
campaign against the Amago and Otomo clans, and eventually rising to
become one of the greatest rivals to Toyotomi Hideyoshi in his
campaign to unify Japan.
***TEAHOUSE COMMENTARY: The Mori clan was also known for possessing
one of the more powerful navies of any daimyo in the Sengoku era, and
our Motonari (Jim) seems to be similarly inclined. Mori builds an
additional fleet in Iwami, though his Chosokabe ally builds two,
keeping Mori in second place in the naval arms race. Shimazu
continues his attack on the Mori lands, abandoning his final holding
in Kyushu. Asakura strengthens his core holdings by building an army
in Settsu, while Oda disbands his southern front in favor of facing
Hojo, who has build two new fleets and an army of his own. Uesugi
lines new forces also along his border with Hojo, placing a fleet in
Mutsu and an army in Kozuke.
...and Suzuki Sadayu of Kii cackles with glee at his unexpectedly long life
***NEXT DEADLINE: Spring 1573 will be due Thursday May 13, 2010 (at)
1700 EST. Press is most honorable. Especially haiku. CCing me on
negotiations - also honorable.
***PLAYERS:
Shimazu Yoshihisa - Isaac Zinner
Mori Motonari - Jim Atkins
Chosokabe Motochika - Jean-Luc Lefebvre
Asakura Yoshikage - Garry Bledsoe
Oda Nobunaga - Joe Babinsack
Takeda Shingen - Nathan Deily (*eliminated 1572*)
Uesugi Kenshin - Fredrik Blom
Hojo Ujiyasu - Michael Thompson
***ADJUSTMENTS:
Shimazu:
Remove F Osumi
Mori:
Build F Iwami
Chosokabe:
Build F Tosa
Build F Bizen
Asakura:
Build A Settsu
Oda:
Remove F Kumano Sea
Remove A Ise
Uesugi:
Build F Mutsu
Build A Kozuke
Takeda:
Remove A Etchu
Hojo:
Build F Izu
Build F Kazusa
Build A Sagami
Thanks!
Emperor Ogimachi, from the Kyoto Imperial Palace
B.
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| DC 306: Sengoku Rev6DP - Winter 1572: Mori Motonari (dc306) Kenshi777 May 07, 10:52 am |
One of our players has discovered an error in the .map file for
Sengoku (you know who you are) - thanks for the catch! Please replace
your existing .map file with the attached one.
B.
On 5/6/10, Benjamin Hester wrote:
Mori Motonari was the daimyo of Aki province, and a vassal to the
great Ouchi Yoshitaka. When Yoshitaka was betrayed and forced to
commit seppuku by an Ouchi retainer, Sue Harukata, Motonari attacked
and defeated Harukata's forces. Motonari then continued to
consolidate his control of the Ouchi provinces, continuing the
campaign against the Amago and Otomo clans, and eventually rising to
become one of the greatest rivals to Toyotomi Hideyoshi in his
campaign to unify Japan.
***TEAHOUSE COMMENTARY: The Mori clan was also known for possessing
one of the more powerful navies of any daimyo in the Sengoku era, and
our Motonari (Jim) seems to be similarly inclined. Mori builds an
additional fleet in Iwami, though his Chosokabe ally builds two,
keeping Mori in second place in the naval arms race. Shimazu
continues his attack on the Mori lands, abandoning his final holding
in Kyushu. Asakura strengthens his core holdings by building an army
in Settsu, while Oda disbands his southern front in favor of facing
Hojo, who has build two new fleets and an army of his own. Uesugi
lines new forces also along his border with Hojo, placing a fleet in
Mutsu and an army in Kozuke.
...and Suzuki Sadayu of Kii cackles with glee at his unexpectedly long life
***NEXT DEADLINE: Spring 1573 will be due Thursday May 13, 2010 (at)
1700 EST. Press is most honorable. Especially haiku. CCing me on
negotiations - also honorable.
***PLAYERS:
Shimazu Yoshihisa - Isaac Zinner
Mori Motonari - Jim Atkins
Chosokabe Motochika - Jean-Luc Lefebvre
Asakura Yoshikage - Garry Bledsoe
Oda Nobunaga - Joe Babinsack
Takeda Shingen - Nathan Deily (*eliminated 1572*)
Uesugi Kenshin - Fredrik Blom
Hojo Ujiyasu - Michael Thompson
***ADJUSTMENTS:
Shimazu:
Remove F Osumi
Mori:
Build F Iwami
Chosokabe:
Build F Tosa
Build F Bizen
Asakura:
Build A Settsu
Oda:
Remove F Kumano Sea
Remove A Ise
Uesugi:
Build F Mutsu
Build A Kozuke
Takeda:
Remove A Etchu
Hojo:
Build F Izu
Build F Kazusa
Build A Sagami
Thanks!
Emperor Ogimachi, from the Kyoto Imperial Palace
B.
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| dc318 - Winter Blitz 2010 Fall 1906 results - chaosonejoe (May 06, 2010, 3:39 pm) |
Fredrik
No great offense intended, because I understand running a game is not easy on any level, but at one point it was established that the deadlines were 2PM EST Monday/Thursday.
And then this changed last week, to the point where players were emailing that orders could be sent in later in the day.
I guess I'm not the only person who slacked off, but there's a bit of a problem when four people were anticipating not having to send orders in so quickly...
--Joe
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se> wrote:
From: Fredrik Blom <fredrik(at)familjenblom.se>
Subject: dc318 - Winter Blitz 2010 Fall 1906 results
To: bret_pollack(at)hotmail.com, briankingfox(at)hotmail.com, chaosonejoe(at)yahoo.com, ericmarr(at)gmail.com, landru428(at)aol.com, winterblitz(at)diplomaticcorp.com
Date: Thursday, May 6, 2010, 3:08 PM
Blitzers,
Did the winter blitz come to an end without me knowing it? It seems that everyone forgot all about this game - everyone except for Germany, who by submitting orders gains a lot this season.
Current standings:
Austria: Eliminated
England: Eliminated
France: Supp 2 Unit 2 Build 0
Germany: Supp 12 Unit 9 Build 3
Italy: Supp 9 Unit 8 Build 1
Russia: Supp 5 Unit 8 Remove 3
Turkey: Supp 6 Unit 6 Build 0
Next turn: Winter 1906 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Friday, 7th of May 2010, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
France:
A Marseilles, no move received
F Spain(nc), no move received
Germany:
A Brest Hold
A Denmark - Sweden
A Kiel - Denmark
A Munich - Bohemia
F North Sea - Edinburgh
A Norway - St Petersburg (*Fails*)
A Paris - Burgundy
A Silesia - Prussia
F Wales - Liverpool (*Fails*)
Italy:
A Budapest, no move received
F Eastern Mediterranean, no move received
F Greece, no move received
F Ionian Sea, no move received
A Piedmont, no move received
F Portugal, no move received
A Trieste, no move received
A Vienna, no move received
Russia:
A Galicia, no move received
F Liverpool Hold
A Moscow, no move received
F North Atlantic Ocean, no move received
A Sevastopol, no move received
A St Petersburg Hold
A Ukraine, no move received
A Warsaw, no move received
Turkey:
F Aegean Sea, no move received
A Armenia, no move received
F Black Sea, no move received
A Bulgaria, no move received
A Rumania, no move received
A Serbia, no move received
Next turn: Winter 1906 Adjustments
Next Deadline: Friday, 7th of May 2010, 18:00 GMT (6PM).
/Fredrik[Reply] |
| DC309 Fall 1903 delay - orders missing - untitled36 (May 06, 2010, 3:11 pm) |
Boy am I glad this isn't a face to face game...
John
From: The White Wolf <cloudhurler77(at)yahoo.com>
To: Philip King <ilovethechiefs(at)gmail.com>; Mike Tombu <mtombu(at)gmail.com>
Cc: John R <untitled36(at)yahoo.com>; Dan Dzikowicz <ddz999cat23(at)yahoo.com>; Sean Cable <blueinva(at)cox.net>; Raymond Setzer <mczet99(at)gmail.com>; Nathan Deily <ndeily(at)yahoo.com>; "dc309(at)diplomaticcorp.com" <dc309(at)diplomaticcorp.com>
Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 2:40:29 PM
Subject: Re: DC309 Fall 1903 delay - orders missing
Sounds like a perfectly legitimate reason to me...
From: Philip King <ilovethechiefs(at)gmail.com>
In my defense, yesterday was Cinco de Mayo. And it was the first Cinco de Mayo in years that I wasn't stuck studying for a final. By the time moves were due, I couldn't remember who I was or if I was wearing pants.
--Phil[Reply] |
