Jason - I very much *would* like to hear your balance issues
please...being tactful about it is appreciated, but don't sugarcoat it
- better to have a balanced variant and wounded pride than another
variant in the nobody-plays-it graveyard...
B.
On 3/17/10, Jason K <githraine-at-yahoo.com> wrote:
Was I in this game? a year ago or something? 
I had a great early start, but some 'unreliable' allies did me in...
again....
I won't go into my balance issues, any variant has them, this one's are
certainly no worse then most, I can think of one recently that was Much
worse, right Mike?
Anyway, it was well played by all, good job! I just can't believe it went
so long!!
Jason
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Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 7:46:46 PM
Subject: Re: NNIGTFML - Game End - Solo!
ross,
so basically as far as peru is concerned--if venz won't help him take down
col he's screwed? that doesn't sound very interesting to me so i still think
the north needs work..peru has no real chance to go after columbia on his
own..as you saw in this game...you had an extra build on me and the only
chance peru has is to out guess columbia...i did not...i suppose i could
have take less chances and probably survived but why? so we can both stay at
3 or 4 centers until another neighbor shows up to gobble us up from
behind--I choose to be more aggressive figuring it wouldn't work unless you
NMRed or made a big mistake since you had a much better positon with regards
to builds in the beginning than i did..it didn't work wouldn't have mattered
as somoene coming up from the south would have taken me out sooner or
later...
i also agree with your take on the center powers and argentina...brazil is
much too powerful in this game---it is like russia but brazil has a lot more
territory to protect it than russia does in regular dip...paraguay and
boliva are kind of like italy/austria except they don't have a motherload
of centers near by like i/a do in regular dip...i would put brazil's dots
closer to the aciton and add some centers up north and in the center...i
would also lower the andes wall up north altogether....let col/ven/per go at
it....
jack
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 7:21 PM, Ross Webb <rodtheworm-at-hotmail.com> wrote:
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[quote:c5a242436b]Columbia having nowhere else to go does make this map a little less
balanced, as has been said, but to me that's only in as far as Turkey can
only really hit either Russia or Austria initially. I'd advise putting
the Panama canal in (even if it wouldn't actually be completed for
another 80-odd years) just because of the expanded tactical options it
gives.
I suppose as a replacement playing only 5 of the 12 years I missed out on
the early negotiations where the really juicy stuff got sorted out. My
primary goal for this game was to survive, which I happily did - in fact,
I was surprised at the come back Columbia made in ending the game in
second place, though I suspect it was more by luck and outside
circumstances than by skill on my own part. Had Venezuela not been
distracted by Brasil, I expect I would have made a quick exit, and though
I was pleased to outmanoeuvre Peru in the two years or so after joining,
I'm very aware that I only just got the block up in the south to fend off
Chile's fleets as it was. If that conflict had gone on a few more years
Chile would have been pushing through there handily.
I'd like to point out that, in pursuit of this survival I allowed myself
to be more ruthless in making promises or agreeing to alliances and
breaking them, or manipulating others with no intention of reciprocating.
My play is not normally like this, so if we meet in a future game,
please don't assume I'll be untrustworthy there too! Usually I'd say I'm
more inclined to be a straight talker than the average player, perhaps to
my detriment as a diplomat. Maybe I should learn from success in this
game!
Further on the issue of balance, I think all the southern 2-centre powers
get a very raw deal. Bolivia has no guaranteed gains, and is practically
thrown right into the fray against Chile from the outset as Golfo de
Guafo borders a home centre for both. Paraguay gets a slightly nore
prosperous first year, but then is likely to come under heavy attack from
the much larger Brasil, whil Argentina seems to be the Austria - nice
initial growth potential, but in between lots of powers.
In the north, Venezuela probably gets two early builds to sit it on four
centres and a comfortable size, though all four of these countries suffer
the disadvantage of only being able to build two units a turn, which
presumably can become important as the game goes on and powers are capable
of taking many centres in a turn.
Compare this with the rich earlygrowth potential of Brasil and Columbia.
Brasil probably get 2 or 3 builds putting it on 5 or 6 centres, with a
good offensive and defensive position and but a nasty case of early
leader syndrome. Columbia should really be getting two centres in the
first year (if not, why not?), ideally putting it on 5 to Venezuela's 4
and Peru's 3. As seen, these two can then team up on Columbia, but I
don't think his position is any worse than a Russia with England and
Turkey looking at him with hostility. In fact, I still think a bit of
deft play could see Peru repelled with an extra fleet, while Venezuela is
stalled in the north with the remaining fleet and army. Another build
could see that flank becoming increasingly secure.
In my opinion, tactical play really starts working at four units and
above, which I think is why all countries in Standard (bar England in the
case of an aggressively northward-looking Russian) have at least one
centre they can claim without contest. With two, you basically have to
guess whether or not to risk an opponent taking your home centre or not.
I think in the average game, the starting differences in size are more
likely to magnify rather than equalise.
Hopefully that's helped!
Ross
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Subject: NNIGTFML - Game End - Solo!
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:02:05 -0500
From: mike-at-fuzzylogicllc.net
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Chileans can be heard singing "llama llama llama llama llama solo llama"
everywhere as they wrap up a win under the awesome leadership of Gary.
Yes, Gary gets his gold star today w his second solo in dc!
What more can be said?
Just "Gary". "He's the man". "With the only name nobody in South America
will ever forget, for he leads it all!
Business cards are ordered.
"Gary - The South American Dominator". "Got a country? Call us! We'll
capture it, squash the resistance, and assimilate it into GaryLand".
"Your centers are our centers." "Really".
"Got Centers?" "Nope, Gary took'em".
EGS's are encouraged from all!
Hope it was fun,
-mike
RETREATS (irrelevant):
Brasil:
disband A Parana
A Rio Grande do Sul - Sao Paulo
A Santa Cruz - Riberalta
ORDERS:
Brasil:
A Angostura - Caracas (*Fails*)
A Barinas Supports A Angostura - Caracas
F Boca de Navios - Cumana
F Golfo de Paria Supports F Boca de Navios - Cumana
A Iquitos - Cusco
A Manaus - Mato Grosso (*Fails*)
A Mato Grosso - Pantanal (*Bounce*)
A Orinoco Hold
A Parana Supports A Rio Grande do Sul - Misiones (*Dislodged*)
A Rio Grande do Sul - Misiones (*Dislodged*)
A Santa Cruz - Potosi (*Dislodged*)
A Santa Marta - Cartagena (*Bounce*)
A Sao Paulo - Rio de Janeiro
Chile:
F Arequipa Supports F Bahia de Arica - Lima
A Asuncion Supports A Misiones - Parana
F Bahia de Arica - Lima (*Fails*)
F Bahia de Paranagua Supports F Montevideo - Rio Grande do Sul
F Bahia Todos os Santos - Salvador
A Chaco Supports A Potosi - Santa Cruz
A Concepcion - Pantanal (*Bounce*)
A La Paz Supports A Potosi - Santa Cruz
A Misiones - Parana
F Montevideo - Rio Grande do Sul
A Potosi - Santa Cruz
A Salta Hold
A Santa Fe - Misiones (*Bounce*)
F South Pacific Ocean - Golfo de San Jorge
F Pacific Ocean - Bahia Sechura (*Fails*)
Colombia:
A Aquiris Hold
F Bahia Sechura Hold
F Galapagos Supports F Bahia Sechura
F Lima Hold
A Llanos Supports A Maracaibo
A Panama - Cartagena (*Bounce*)
A Trujillo Supports F Lima
Venezuela:
A Caracas Supports F Cumana (*Cut*)
F Cumana Supports A Caracas (*Disbanded*)
A Maracaibo Supports A Caracas
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